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Old 06-08-2011, 02:19 AM
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Judge: Corporate Donation ban unconstitutional

Should corporations be able to donate freely to candidates themselves without limit?
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:24 AM
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Here I thought this was going to be about those dang immigrants.

Anyways, this is a complicated topic with no easy answer. Ill say yes. My reasoning is that big corps will give their puppet money regardless. By openly allowing it we could save millions in regulations alone.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:29 AM
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Here I thought this was going to be about those dang immigrants.

Anyways, this is a complicated topic with no easy answer. Ill say yes. My reasoning is that big corps will give their puppet money regardless. By openly allowing it we could save millions in regulations alone.
Nah, talking about the SCOTUS case.

I'm honestly uneasy about it. I am a supporter of freedom of speech (to a level that would make even Justice Black blush), but I do not like corporations (or unions for that matter) being able to muck around in the political process directly.

Though with the advent of PACs that do it more or less already, I feel like that its just removing the middleman.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:37 AM
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Nah, talking about the SCOTUS case.

I'm honestly uneasy about it. I am a supporter of freedom of speech (to a level that would make even Justice Black blush), but I do not like corporations (or unions for that matter) being able to muck around in the political process directly.

Though with the advent of PACs that do it more or less already, I feel like that its just removing the middleman.
Exactly money talks and no matter the obstacles in between corps will influence whoever they want. The only way I see some kind of regulation for political donations by large groups would be to tax it but the effort of investigating every little donation would be herculean not to mention it would open a nasty can of worms
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:38 AM
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Exactly money talks and no matter the obstacles in between corps will influence whoever they want. The only way I see some kind of regulation for political donations by large groups would be to tax it but the effort of investigating every little donation would be herculean not to mention it would open a nasty can of worms
Putting a tax on it would be a form of prior restraint.

That's BAD.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:48 AM
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But IMO its the only plausible way, corps caught circumventing it will be issued a fine greater than any other fine the government could impose with any other regulation. And if they actually pay the tax then the office pays for itself. Or at least in theory.

And yes its bad, like I said before it opens a can of worms. What are the ethics of a tax in donations? Where does the tax apply and to who? And can it be considered segregation?
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:50 AM
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But IMO its the only plausible way, corps caught circumventing it will be issued a fine greater than any other fine the government could impose with any other regulation. And if they actually pay the tax then the office pays for itself. Or at least in theory.

And yes its bad, like I said before it opens a can of worms. What are the ethics of a tax in donations? Where does the tax apply and to who? And can it be considered segregation?
Taxing speech is putting an obstacle in the way, in my opinion, because you have to pay for it.

That makes me feel uneasy.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:54 AM
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Taxing speech is putting an obstacle in the way, in my opinion, because you have to pay for it.

That makes me feel uneasy.
I feel the same way, which is why my answer was: yes they should let corps donate to candidates without supervision
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:11 AM
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I feel the same way, which is why my answer was: yes they should let corps donate to candidates without supervision
I just don't like being able to 'buy' an election...its bad enough that you can 'buy' a seat on a State Supreme Court in places like Illinois and West Virginia. :/
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:24 AM
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I just don't like being able to 'buy' an election...its bad enough that you can 'buy' a seat on a State Supreme Court in places like Illinois and West Virginia. :/
It's a real ****ty state of being but as far as I know that's the way its always worked and probably will ever work. The election process is a bunch of regurgitated bull**** on both ends, even open primaries are complete ass. think about it: in an open primary you donate to a candidate then vote for a chance to vote so the electoral college might vote on your partys candidate .

airport security doesn't have this many layers. And even then people are notorious for voting for the most popular rather than the most qualified candidate. I.E Obama.

And don't get me started in redistricting. I believe the American electoral process is flawed beyond repair.
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