So guys, we've seen the new trailer. I think we should bump heads and come up with some elaborately untrue theories.

First off, if you notice the wing pattern of the bird, it looks like the crest of Hyrule.



Second, I think the bird might replace Epona.

Third, I am LOVING the theme song. Listen to it a few times. It sounds epic. I'm hoping it will be the Hyrule (Sky?) theme.

Fourth, A lot of people think that is either King DNH from Wind Waker, while others say he's Rauru from OoT.

Fifth, props to Cody the Hedgehog for finding



Here's the trailer.

From a tech demo on Gametrailers the bird seems to be an Epona/King of Red Lions as you use it to explore the world above 'Hyrule' to venture to various floating islands.

At any time you can drop from the bird into the Land Below which I think will only become Hyrule at the end of the game. Of course, the blonde girl with the pointed ears will become the first Princess Zelda when she is saved from what's taken/eaten her.

Also, the Fact Sheet from the Press Kit for Skyward Sword says...

So clearly, rather than just being set before Ocarina of Time in will be made clear that these events are what lead to Ocarina of Time. Perhaps what we see in the prologue of OoT?

Nice catch! Yes, that seems likely. Perhaps we will see Skyloft or something become sealed off from the rest of the world?

There may also be a connection with the cloud world seen in Minish Cap. That game is also set before Ocarina.

Anyone else think that this guy looks awfully like this guy? Coincidence? Probably not. Whether or not they're the same person or relatives I dunno.

Hmm. Maybe. It's been going around.

Those birds remind me of Avatar.

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Yeah, when I saw This guy I immediately thought of Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule from Wind Waker.

I believe he will be Zelda's Father, and at the end of the game when Link brings peace to the 'Land Below'. Zelda will become the Princess and the man above will become King and start the Legend of Zelda where every future Princess of Hyrule being named Zelda. Which would be quite the fitting ending for Miyamoto's 25th Anniversary game.

That's Rauru, he's the first sage you meat in OoT. He's the last ancient sage left if I recall correctly. I go to Zelda Universe and we're speculating on their comparisons. From what we've discussed, it's POSSIBLE it's Rauru. The only thing that is making us worry is that they have two different eye colors. We're hoping that's simply a cosmetic difference. I personally think it's Rauru.

Also, I believe the bird is the bird we see on the modern Hylian shield. I'm so excited to learn the origin.

Also also, Zelda is so preeeeeeeeeeeetty.

Also also also, I won't be able to play it until the Wii U is out. I have a fully bricked Wii and a semi bricked Wii in my room and I don't feel like buying a 3rd one. Someone start a fund and buy me a used Wii.

Also also also also, Daphnes looks like an older form of our mystery chef. I'm conflicted now.

*sigh*

Also also also also also

The Minish Cap takes place after Ocarina of Time.

One more thing: I am LOVING the theme song. Listen to it a few times. It sounds epic. I'm hoping it will be the Hyrule (Sky?) theme.


In some people's timelines. Actually, most people put it first.

Uh, no. Anouma CONFIRMED that OoT is the earliest game before SS. Only people who can't get over that still place it before. I placed it before OoT before I heard that quote.

I refer you here.

A Link to Some Proof!

In the original trailer, if you played the theme song backwards, it would be Zelda's Lullaby.

Not gonna lie I'm less excited after this trailer. The whole riding on birds and like city in the sky doesn't sound cool to me. Whatevs still buying it

What do you say to this?

Wanna actually post a link to the trailer? I haven't seen it yet.

I'm confused, wereyou saying that OoT is the earliest game including SS? If so, that quote clearly says that SS is first.

I like the idea that this will be the 'origin' story of the Zelda universe in a way. After watching the trailer and the gameplay with Lord Ghirahim, I have FIGURED THIS STORY OUT. (I'm sure others have but I feel cool saying it)

So. Link. Zelda. Skyloft. They're flying. Ghirahim wants Zelda 'her holiness' he said. Ghirahim stirs up tornado to attack. A servant of the goddess saves/hides Zelda (that fish). The goddess saves Link and gives him his purpose. Link suits up. Adventure. Ghirahim wants Zelda, is pursuing. Link goes after Ghirahim.

...rough draft.

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Lemme help you out with that.

YouTube - ‪The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword E3 2011 Trailer [HD]‬‏

It was to prove Minish Cap isn't first. The quote says OoT was first. Now Skyward Sword is first. No room for Minish Cap.

that trailer is really bright. I'll post the one I saw in the OP

yeah I think Minish Cap is still first but the handheld zeldas that aren't part of WW don't really matter to the timeline

Anyone recognize what this is? Thats right the Royal Crest of Hyrule minus one Triforce. I think this game is going to explain a lot.

ooh nice catch! If you find a smaller file of the image I'll post it to the OP.

You did mean smaller as in length X Width not the actual size of the file if so then here you go if not I can't help I'm not on my normal computer and I only have paint.

Also here is a link to a boss battle with some dialouge but it contains spoilers!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U22GNBd10kk

Ah, alright.
Personally, I'm not sure Nintendo even considers Minish Cap as being part of their timeline.

Holy crap. Skyward Sword looks amazing. I am so hyped for this game.

What about the sages from Twilight? Remember one of them died? And also in Twilight there is a City in the sky, of an ancient civilization. Another thing to look at is that the master sword doesn't seem present because Ganondorf isn't alive or he's trapped still.

I actually like the villain so far. They're taking a nice direction with him.

While I don't care for the character design at all, his general creepy tone as opposed to outright evil lord, his willingness to interact with Link, and the fact he so easily lost his cool is really setting him apart from villains like Ganondorf. I've always enjoyed villains that are constantly interacting with the protagonist and provide a more psychological/personal conflict.

they dont count minish cap and im sure there is no real timeline they have written down that they are not telling. they just made the games and people demanded a timeline.

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While I don't think there is a master timeline that ties all of the games together, there are mini-timelines throughout the series.

-Skyword Sword comes before Ocarina of Time

-Majoras Mask and Wind Waker each come after Ocarina of Time.

-Phantom Hourglass follows on from Wind Waker

-LOZ 2 follows on directly from LOZ 1

From there it's all speculation, whether there's any real timeline that links ALL of the games together - I don't know. I hope there is, but it would never be released in-case it's continuity stops a brilliant idea from Nintendo from blossoming.

*sigh*

The only handheld Zelda that could POSSIBLY be not canon is the Oracle games and even those are almost always included in a timeline.

Minish Cap is canon.

It is not first.

There is a master timeline.

Stop letting your fanfiction get the better of you. If you wish hard enough, the timeline isn't going to change.

Ooh talks of murder and bloodshed? Are the Zelda games getting more edgier or have I just not played a console Zelda in too long? PH and ST are "kiddie" and Link's Awakening boss dialog just makes me cry "NEENER NEENER, you can't see me!"

spirit tracks would come after PH, because it mentions linebeck (on a gravestone)

Remember that time Minish Cap had a radically totally different world map than every other game taking place in Hyrule, was part of a spinoff trilogy and was made by a third party company, and thus had different writers?

I highly doubt Nintendo cares about any continuity from the Capcom games when writing the main installments, especially since they already have trouble keeping consistent with their own work.

Of course, always forget Spirit Tracks for some reason. Not sure why as it was a better game than PH. I believe the Hyrule from Spirit Tracks could be the same Hyrule in some of the past games

I guess the OoT remake won't be canon since it's not being made by Nintendo, right? Just because it's a 3rd party developer does not mean that it's not canon. If you were to go to a Zelda forum like Zelda Universe forums and say that seriously, they'd scoff at you and tell you that saying 3rd party games are non canon is just an excuse to be lazy.

And yes, Nintendo cares about continuity with all games. They've said so themselves.

The Hyrule in Spirit Tracks is New Hyrule, which is the same one from Phantom of the Hourglass. Some speculate that it takes place in other games as well, such as Zelda 1 and 2 or the Oracle games. Most end the timeline there since there are no more games confirmed to take place there.

For some reason, I'm wanting to think he's a decent of Ganondorf, or something.

Ganondorf kicks butt... LOL.
Ya. Probably getting it when Wii U comes out.

I think the majority of users on Zelda Universe are idiots anyway. I can live with that.

Well, good for you. That changes nothing however. I can make a snide comment about how users here are idiots then get out of explaining myself then? Works for me. I look forward to future debates on the forum.

GUNG HO!

Lol... Users... Total Idiots.

Don't care about the rest of your post. I've stated my timeline opinions dozens of times and have made my stance fairly clear.

I won't continue to repeat the same boring arguments when the best comebacks I ever get are "Plot holes and story arcs don't matter, because they told us they have a master document and Miyamoto said they all link together despite not explaining how they actually connect," or a visual of the currently supported timeline theory which I'm well aware of.

I'm also criticizing to ZU for more than the sake of being mug. I don't really care what fanatics who spend their free time writing fan fiction and creating baseless theories for a franchise have to say about it, because addicts are never a good source for information. Guys who subscribe to Zelda timeline threads would obviously disagree with me because they pour hours into studying the damn thing like it's their career.

First of all, the timeline is not fanfiction; it exists. Stories might be fanfiction, but the actual order has nothing to do with that. If some dope wants to imagine that Ganon was a desperate housewife in a past game, he can do that. Everyone will laugh at him.

The theories aren't baseless.

Addicts aren't good sources of info? Ok, I'll ask someone who's only played Twilight Princess where he thinks Zelda 1 goes? He'll probably say at the beginning.

Timeline theorycrafting isn't about having a stance and holding firm to it no matter what. It's about taking into account all the evidence you can and when there's new evidence, you appropriate your argument to fit with the new evidence.

Unlikely.

Ganondorf only became Ganon (and therefore immortal) when he gets the triforce in OoT, which is set after this game.

Not necessarily. The spirits of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf have all carried on throughout the game and Link and Zelda aren't immortal. Ganon's mortality depends on the situation too. It's possible Debbie is Ganon but that makes noooooooooooo sense.

The spirits of the characters are more or less bound to the triforce, at least in the console games. Ganon is one character.

Btw Debbie's name is Ghirahim.

There's 2 Ganons and a lot more Links and Zeldas. The spirits aren't bound to the triforce because they don't always have the triforce.

I know what Debbie's name is by the way. There's no way I'm changing it after how fabulous he is though.

Can't argue with that.

Isn't the director of both ST and MC also the director of SS? So by calling MC or any of the portable games non-canon is basically calling SS non-canon and by calling SS non-canon you might as well call the entire series non-canon except the first two games and even then your pushing it. *faceplam*

Seriously though the only non-canon Zelda games are those monsters that are called the CD-i games. The manga and cartoons are non-canon as well.

I just want to say two things:

1) Skyward Sword looks awesome.
2) There is no damn timeline.

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zelda games follow different scenarios not an all encomopassing timelines

anyone who says differnet is wishful thinking - nintendo will tease the 'timeline' just to troll their timeline crazies

as if miyamoto/aunome whoever cares or plans this out - just like lost was planned out from beginning to end - lol

its not a charles dickens novel, the plot does not tie up tidy at the end.

This will probably be the only time I ever agree with you, Bark.
I guess we've found a common enemy in Zelda timeline theorists.

Two things

1) There is a confirmed existance of a timeline here.

2) Let's get back on topic: talking about Skyward Sword

Storm, stop trolling.

There's a timeline.

honestly it just feels like they made the games and now are putting a timeline together. Like they agree with the split timeline theory....but i really dont think they had that in mind while making oot.

They've had a timeline document since A Link to the Past.

I'm sure with some games, they make them without it in mind then later figure out where it goes, but they've said before that they do keep all the timeline info in mind when they make games. They also specifically makes games open-ended so they don't accidentally create a definite start or end to the series.

It just seems like there's no timeline to you guys because you don't understand it. There's a timeline alright. We probably won't see it until Miyamoto dies and maybe not even after that.

I don't think we'd see a timeline until the Series ended. So lets hope we never see one

If a timeline has so many radically different theories with no consensus, if its sequence is one of the biggest video game debates to date, and if they refuse to release a document explaining it clearly for no particular reason, there's something wrong with it.

Zelda games have extremely simple story lines, it's not a complex epic. If there wasn't an issue with the timeline itself there would be no reason for all this controversy surrounding it. By all logic it should be pretty straight forward. Castlevania games follow the same generation styled story telling as Zelda and all the games are similarly self contained, but aside from the few games stated to be removed from the normal continuity, you don't see nearly as much confusion going on there.

So either all the games don't fit into one master timeline but instead form their own little branches of the franchise or it's poorly written, terribly conveyed and filled with plot holes/inconsistency. Choose your poison.

The reason there's not a common concensus on the timeline is because certain games can go in multiple places. It's like trying to solve 3x + 3/2y - 2z for the variable y. You need to know x and z first. In timeline discussion, we're saying "Well, I think it's logical to assume z equals this or that. With that in mind, y would equal this then."

Then someone else says, "No, Z has to equal this because x has to equal that. Therefore, y is this."

then someone says, "Math doesn't exist lol, you're all idiots."

Bingo bango, baby.

Zelda timeline "explained"
YouTube - ‪Zelda Timeline - Angry Video Game Nerd AVGN - Cinemassacre.com‬‏

So anyways, one thing is that if you watch the trailer, in the beginning he has red earings, but nearer the end he gains blue ones.

This explains why I dislike the Zelda series and its timeline.
I sleep through calculus.

In all honesty.
Zelda sucks.

Nobody cares about a boy in a tunic that looks like a dress, dancing around with some sword to save some dumb broad from life's issues.

I fairly dont have any interest in Zelda's games. Just an elf wondering around the woods... With a sword.

Because that always happens in Zelda games.
Forests are usually 1 dungeon, with the exception of OoT that had 2.
The games are very good. Plus Link is not an elf in any of the games.

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Technically speaking. He never actually trys to "save" Zelda. Its usually Hyrule hes saving with Zelda getting kidnapped at the last dungeon.
OoT you dont even know what happened to Zelda and you just try to save Hyrule until the very end.
Heck in WW you dont even know who Zelda is.
And in TP Zelda and you kind of ignore her until you find her possesed. Heck then you start fighting her to the death.

Well, I do like it when the main character dies in a story..

I'mma look it up some more.

people, people!!!! calm down!!! what i personally think is that that link in skyward sword is ocarina of times liks dad and that blonde chick in the trailer is ocarina of time links mom and shes the one that leaves link at kokiri forest

Sadly her death is until the end when she gets possesed.
Shame me and my friend were cheering right there.
And if you honestly like it when the main characters die, then I reccomend the Walking Dead comic books.

But doesnt SS and OoT have like a hundred year difference?
I mean in SS apparantly the land of Hyrule was just discovered.

I tried something like that once. My professor didn't take too kindly to it.

I remember when I was talking to a friend about science in math class and he chimed in and said something along the lines of, "Math is the only absolute truth in the universe. Converse in pure math and any intelligent being will understand you."

Let's just say I loved that teacher, but was kind of weirded out by him at the same time.

I'm just going to add one timeline thing that I noticed that no one's discussed.

Oracle of Ages/Seasons happens before Link's Awakening. And one could even put OoT/MM before them both.

Wait wait wait.

Miyamoto said OoT is first.
Proven fact;some can argue Minish cap is before and I believe it.
And again this is proven to take place before OoT.
Shouldn't be that hard to put together..
BUT IT LOOKS SO GOODDD.

Minish Cap isn't before Ocarina of Time. There's no conclusive or near conclusive evidence to suggest that.

Oracles could take place inbetween aLttP and LA, but it's unlikely. Zelda has no idea who Link is other than what to expect him to look like when they meet. The only thing linking them is that boat scene which proves nothing.

The boat scene is enough for me. ALttp's position is up for debate, but the boats at the end and at the beginning of those games looks near identical. It also explains why Marin looks like Zelda, because he's already met and saved her.

I think connecting all the games is a foolhardy endeavor, but the little connections between a few of them (such as seeing that boat at the end of the oracles) makes me smile.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's definitely possible. The boat isn't enough. What if that Link is a AT New Hyrule Link? Ship travel would be required then.

Also, it's obvious OoX Link and aLttP/LA Link are different since Zelda doesn't know Link in OoX.

Also also, what explains why Marin looks like Zelda? You can't use that to support your claim. Either way, LA is the Wind Fish's dream, not Link's. Any similarities are caused by the Wind Fish.

Oh wow... a Zelda timeline discussion... I tend not to worry about that.

but anyway about Skyward Sword...

I love the art style and I think it will be a good twist on the ol' Zelda formula. I am looking forward to playing it.

Something I've noticed from the trailer... is that the bird Link rides looks a lot like an African Shoebill except more brightly colored. What do you guys think?

Pic:

I'm thinking that those do share similarities, yes.

What's the significance of that though? Do you think there's some hidden, secret, deeper meaning to it or something?

Did a little research. The African Shoebill has the largest bill in the world and is apparently docile towards humans. They make their nests on the ground in swamps where they eat lungfishes, small mammals, fish, and baby crocodiles. They're pretty big too...



But I don't think there's that much significance to it despite appearance but it's interesting to find out where the video game designers get their inspiration.

Obviously, the African Shoebill proves the existence of the timeline.

Obviously.