Platform: 3DS, WiiU

Publisher: Nintendo

Developer: Sora Ltd. / Bandai-Namco

Release: 2014

Mario
You know, I have to say, Nintendo's kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel here. I mean, is this really all they could come up with? This game's never gonna sell.


Donkey Kong
He's the leader of the bunch. You know him well. He's finally back to kick some tail. (he also has lovely fur this time)


Link
Sporting his Skyward Sword look, Link returns in left handed glory! Maybe this time he won't be awful.


Samus
the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby the baby


Kirby
Pinker than ever, it's Kirby! Not much to say here. Kirby's pretty much the constant of the Smash Bros universe. I guess his Thwomp design is different this time?


Fox
Furries take heed, great care has been taken to assure that this lupine space-fighter looks furrier than ever before for your creepy desires! In unrelated news, Fox has recently been seen alone with a certain robot dog. Who knows what will happen?


Pikachu
IT'S PIKACHU

GOD DAMMIT


Bowser
The Nintendo big bad returns, this time evidently on the quest to find some sort of skin creme or something. Like, HD is great and all, but I can never say I wanted to see what Bowser's skin looks like in detail...


Pit
Now we're talking, a character who has notable differences from his previous iteration! Pit seems to have a moveset that has been upgraded to some extent, now utilizing weapons from Kid Icarus Uprising (although only arms have been shown so far.)


Pikmin & Olimar
Another newcomer from Brawl, Captain Olimar returns despite not being the lead protagonist of the most recent Pikmin game. Not many differences to note thus far, no new Pikmin types from Pikmin 3, although it's possible that the number of Pikmin he can have has been cut down to 3 to keep the game running smoothly on the 3DS version.


Luigi
Revealed for the first time before a Smash game's launch (to absolutely nobody's surprise!) it's Luigi #yearofluigi ! You know, I'll never understand Sakurai's interpretation of Luigi. We've had him act cowardly in the Luigi's Mansion games and like a goof in the Mario and Luigi games, but... Smash Bros Luigi is just something else...


Peach
THE TOAD DREAM IS DEAD
Peach's color palette and face look way improved over her Brawl interpretation, imo. Her moveset appears to remain mostly the same, but in general seems to have a lot more visual flair. Super Princess Peach am still cry


Toon Link
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ CosmoWright Toon Link speeds back to Smash from Brawl! This time around, his shading and coloring match the Wind Waker much more closely, thanks to SSB4's color scheme. Not really much else to say about him, things mostly seem virtually the same. Could this be teh urn Kappa


Sonic
God, there are so many jokes I could make about Sonic, I don't know where to start. "Gotta go fast"? Calling him Sanic a bunch? Posting lyrics to City Escape? Decisions, decisions...


Marth
GUYS THEY'RE TOTALLY GONNA REPLACE MARTH WITH MASKED MARTH FROM AWAKENING! AND IKE WITH CHROM! YOU'LL SEE!


Zelda
Sorry, waifu fans, Skyward Sword Zelda is nowhere to be seen. Twilight Princess Zelda is back, potentially packing some new moves from her most prominent role in the series, the Phantom from Spirit Tracks.


King Dedede
I NEED A MONSTER TO CLOBBER THAT THERE KIRBY


Lucario
LITERALLY a clone of Mewtwo. Literally.

Villager
He's here to chop down your trees and plant pitfall seeds around your house, it's the Villager from Animal Crossing! Not known for being a fighter, Villager is easily the most unconventional character we've seen in the game (redacted due to the addition of wii fit trainer). As he goes about his daily life with a carefree attitude, he ends up burying people in holes, stealing their projectiles, and dropping bowling balls on them. What a jerk.


Mega Man
Back from Cancelledland, Mega Man seeks recognition from Nintendo, 'cause he certainly doesn't find it anywhere else. Mega Man may be away from home here, but this is Mega Man through and through. Robot Master Powers, Rush, slides, the hurt animation, the death noise... you'd be hard pressed to see Mega Man getting this much love anywhere else.


Wii Fit Trainer
Ruining roster prediction lists everywhere, it's your friendly female trainer from Wii Fit! All she wants to do is help the Smash Bros cast trim a few of those extra pounds with some yoga, fitness and aerobics, but they seem surprisingly unappreciative. Still, she's here to help them lose weight, and doggone it she's gonna do it, whether they like it or not!


Rosalina & Luma
After her appearances in the Galaxy games, playable role in Kart Wii and 7, and being the least-secret secret character ever featured in a game, Rosalina hits the big time in Smash! Assisted by her Luma children, she sets a name for herself as perhaps the most interesting playstyle the series has seen yet, with both moves taken from the Galaxy series, such as a Launch Star recovery and using the Wiimote pointer to defend herself, and a set of moves revolving around separating from Luma and commanding him from afar.

Wii U Version

Battlefield
You know, it's Battlefield. What else is there to say? Gonna be jumping on 3 platforms arranged in a triangle as the time of day changes behind you.


The Ring
A new stage without a series! Although it initially appeared to be Castle DeDeDe from Kirby Super Star, this is just a plain ol' arena. Wrestling rings are cool, right?
Worth noting is that it bears some strong similarity to another Nintendo ring...


Skyloft
From Skyward Sword, Skyloft seems to be a stage functionally similar to stages such as Delfino Plaza. You'll be riding a platform from location to location and making stops on the ground.


Smashville (or something to similar effect)
A stage that appears to be very similar to Smashville from Brawl. In this stage, you seem to fight on a platform flying high above an Animal Crossing village as NPCs from the game watch. In all likelihood, K.K. Slider will play on Saturdays at 8!


Wily's Castle
Dr. Wily's castle from Mega Man 2 makes an appearance as a stage! Platforms from Crash Man's stage move around the arena, and a certain infamous Yellow Devil may be making an appearance!


Training Room
Just relax. Breathe in as the circle expands, and breathe out as the circle shrinks. The Training Room from Wii Fit provides a stress free battling experience, with no stage hazards to worry about and no pits.


Garden of Hope
From Pikmin 3, it's the Garden of Hope! With textures that will surely be used in power debates against the Wii U, it appears to have a lot of parts directly taken from Pikmin 3. Unfortunately, I don't know much about Pikmin so not much to add here!


Pilotwings
Some might say that making a stage out of a 23 year old flight simulator game made to show off Mode 7 is a silly idea. The rest of us will enjoy pummeling Luigi on top of a biplane.


Pyrosphere
"An enemy from Samus's past may appear at any second…" THE DREAM IS DEAD


Windy Hill Zone
From Sonic Lost World, it's Windy Hill Zone!
... w-what's the difference between this and Green Hill, anyways? Ah well, as long as I get Sonic R music, I'm happy.


Super Mario Galaxy
Combining a number of aspects between the two games, we finally get a Super Mario Galaxy stage in Smash! I shouldn't need to tell you why this is awesome.

3DS Version


Battlefield
The 3DS Version of Battlefield bears strong resemblance to the Brawl version! Once again, time changes, 3 platforms, you get the deal.


Super Mario 3D Land
In this stage inspired by Super Mario 3D Land, you both sidescroll, similar to Mushroomy Kingdom from Brawl, across a level I mistook to be a New Super Mario Bros level, and then fly over the oceans of the Mushroom Kingdom on small platforms as spiked pillars destroy them.


Spirit Tracks
oh yeah this game happened. Ride the train from The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks as an adorable conductor Link cheers you on! Presumably similar to Pirate Ship from Brawl.


Gerudo Valley
From Ocarina of Time, Gerudo Valley appears in its update version from the 3D remake! Which means, that sweeeeet Gerudo Valley music~


Nintendogs
d'awwwww who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?


Arena Ferox
It's the arena from Fire Emblem Awakening! Not much to say about this, but I'd suppose it hints at Fire Emblem characters, huh? (in case there was any doubt...)


Reset Bomb
Evidently this isn't a Kid Icarus spoiler anymore! Midway through this battle in the human world, Viridi, Goddess of Nature, drops a Reset Bomb to punish the humans for their greed, reverting the stage back to its natural stage and surrounding it in a dense brush.


Find Mii
WHY DOES NOBODY IN THIS ENTIRE STATE HAVE A MII WITH A WHITE SHIRT I MEAN COME ON
Also the Dark Lord, the final boss of the game, seems to make an appearance, most likely as a stage hazard.


Animal Crossing Island
Okay listen Kapp'n you need to cut it out, you and I both very well know i'm here for the beetles and that's IT.


Rainbow Road
Uncle ;-;7

Items

X Bomb
From one hectic nonsensical multiplayer game to another, it's the X Bomb! Uprising had a host of absurd, trolltastic items that would probably fit right in if added to Smash.


Pikmin Ship Bomb
Yeah sorry I don't really know anything about Pikmin so I lack anything clever to say here. From its description, it seems similar in function to the Warp Star, but you don't ride it.


Submarine Gun
How does it feel to know that Steel Diver will get more representation in the game than your favorite series?

Assist Trophies

Skull Kid
He will consume... everything...


Nintendog
From JoJo's Bi-... wait, what? This is a different dog? Oh. Hm.


Starfy
I'll do it! I'm doing it! ...He never says anything like that.


Ashley
I GRANT KIDS TO HELL


Mother Brain
Further proof that Smash 4 is simply a Captain N game.

E3 2013: Reveal Trailer/Villager Reveal

E3 2013: Mega Man Reveal

E3 2013: Wii Fit Trainer Reveal

Sonic the Hedgehog Reveal

Comet Observatory

* srsly reserved *

Aaaaand go ahead and post.

super smash bros 2?
20 characters

Yup, that's the temporary title Sakurai has given it.

It represents the fact that this will be an evolution of the series, and the fact that it's dual-platform.

This game is going to be amazing. I hope we get Skyward Sword Link, WW Link, and TP Link. Also, I hope the online is improved.... n.n

Sweet. Who else loved the reaction when Iwata mentioned Smash Bros? Exhilarating. xD

I got all the Super Smash Bros. Games, can't wait! Too bad I pretty much have to wait...for a long time. I also wanna see some Animal Crossing characters... K.K. Slider fighting... Know how much money I'd pay to see that?

dont you mean 4? this is the 4th the 2nd one was melee

No Clones please... Just Skyward Link, and Toon link

No Toon Link. Bring over slightly new OoT Young Link. Also, Travis Touchdown please.

WOOT
I just got 10x more excited

My poor pants.
I suppose I will be getting both versions, but I hope the 3DS version isn't exclusively singleplayer. Also, it would be a real shame if the 3DS version did not support online multiplayer, but would be understandable in some aspect.

Yes, it's the 4th Smash Bros game, but Sakurai has temporarily named the project "Super Smash Bros 2."

lets hope 3ds version will have down load play

3DS version better freaking have online multiplayer. I don't want to pay 40 bucks for what is essentially training mode.

I'm sure the 3DS version will have sufficient multiplayer and other features. Sakurai said that he doesn't want people to feel like they're really missing out on what the other version of the game has (I'm probably gonna get both version so it doesn't matter to me >.> )

I doubt they'd make the 3DS version without multiplay and some good features. Sakurai realizes that not everyone will have the Wii U.

Also, you know how each version has exclusives? I'm calling that the 3DS version lets you view trophies in AR.

I'm sure this game will have its own sub-forum some day.

I'm surprised no one started the whole "what character needs to be in here?" discussion. How pleasant.

You've done it now. Watch as tons of people come in now and request characters from like every square enix and anime possible lol.

no sorry blues there have been 2 or 3 of those already lol.

When did Sakurai announce all of this?

they should have more characters with multiple suites like what they did with wario in brawl

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they shud have moer character from final fantasees

In an Iwata Asks segment found here (the English version hasn't been posted yet.)

That would only be okay if it were from FF 1-6.

Why did you reserve so many posts? Or any at all?

Because I'll be editing those later, closer to when the game comes out, with all the info.

I just have to say that I called this earlier. The only way to make the Smash franchise bigger would be to add console to handheld connectivity. And I was right. What do I win?

Anyway, I'm pretty hyped. And we know almost completely nothing about the game so far. I'm just not looking forward to the 3 year wait.

Yeah wario was like the only character with 8 suits, he's not even that special. I hope they use an 8GB cartridge for the 3ds version so they can pack a lot of gameplay and make the online run smoothly. No clone characters either, because that's kind of a waste. They could of at least gave them different moves ex: lucas, toon link.

I agree, different moves would make the game more original, and the fact that is SSB would use up a lot of memory. I hope Nintendo will change the smash moves and make them different then Brawl.

Im most likely getting both versions of the Game. I am a huge Smash Bros Fan. Looking forward to what Sakurai can come up with.

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I don't understand how different moves make anything more "original."

How will it make it more 'original'? You do realize that everyone had different moves in every Smash Bros. right? As a matter a fact, every fighting game has some sort new moves when they add another addition to the series. And would you really want him to change up moves drastically? They pretty much nailed it already with what each character does as it represents their game.

I mean don't get me wrong, I do kinda get what you mean. But it's pretty obvious that they will change some of the moves up from Brawl. Just look at the move transition from Melee to Brawl. They did a lot of tweaking.

Except Ganondorf >.>

I'm still in the "give Ganny's set to Black Shadow, give Ganny a new set" group, personally.

IIIIIIII WAAANT NARUTOOOO IN SMASH BRUTHUUUUUURSS THREEEDEEEE
AND EVERY SONIC THE HEDGEHOG CHARACTER EVARR

I wonder if character rosters will be the same in both versions. I'm not worried about the 3DS version being limited, seeing as the entirety of Brawl (cutting off a few unnecessary things) could fit onto a 3DS cartridge.

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Lets petition for no tripping.

Edit: Lets also petition for Geno.

Seconded. There are so many instances where I could have avoided an DDD slam. :/

I hear this is supposed to be something of a "Super Smash Bros. 64 2." If so, I wouldn't mind just having the original cast, plus unique characters from Melee/Brawl (Marth, Captain Olimar, Travis Touchdown).

[QUOTE=SRT;299832]In an Iwata Asks segment found here (the English version hasn't been posted yet.)

Oh okay. Well now I'll be refreshing my browser every 5 seconds in hopes it being posted some time today or tommorow
EDIT: Sorry the quote is messed up, I must of erased some thing

I was just about to post this.

I think SSB2 should give each character 3 different final smashes.

Basic Final Smash: The smash ball looks like the smash ball we already know just being mostly blue. It allows the character to unleash a basic move eg Mario's Finale, Ness's PK Storm or Samus's Zero Laser.

Assist Final Smash: A smash ball taking on a mostly red colour which appears to emit a signal type wave. It sends the character floating behind the stage as his/her friends from his/her gaming history take on the opponents, Kind of like Pit's Palutena's Army. Possible examples could includ Sonic calling on his Wisp's to reek havoc on the stage, Yoshi calling the Storks to spear and carry off his opponents and Bowser sending out his Koopa kids to do his bidding.

Transform Final Smash: Smash ball is green and looks wavy as if it's about to hatch or transform. Allows the character to transform into something like how Bowser transforms into Giga Bowser or how Sonic turns into Super Sonic. Possible examples include Mario/Luigi using a Mega Mushroom and stomping on everyone, Kirby turning into a tank to crush and shoot missiles or Link turning into Wolf Link and doing whatever Wolf Link does.

What d'ya think?

Is it possible you could use that last reserved space for all your sources? i'd like to have a little more proof then your word

apparently capcom is helping in the making
E3 2011: Super Smash Bros. Was "A Miracle" - Wii U News at IGN

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I'm going to get it for 3DS, I plan to get Wii U for my next year bday.

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I'm getting BLACK 3DS!
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This is awesome ! Can't wait to get it... geez the wait is already killing me !

Release date 2015+ I'm guessing.

oh man, I totally called something like this happening on the Smash Bros. 3DS thread. By that I mean the thread that was just kind of speculating on the possibility of a Smash Bros. for the 3DS. You know, before E3.

But yeah, hypehypehypehype

I think it is a great idea. Personally, I'm torn between wanting Wolf Link and wanting Fierce Deity Link. Samus' assist final smash could either be other Hunters (like either from Hunters for DS or Prime 3 Corruption) or Federation troops.

I'm guessing you will be able to use the 3DS as a controller for this, and have access to the 3DS exclusives when using the 3DS controller on the Wii U.

My dream characters list: Paper Mario, Vaati, Geno, Isaac, toad, King K. Rool, Midna on Wolf Link

So how long before development starts? and how far into development will we see a new dojo? Do you think that there will be exclusive characters and stages or just exclusive game modes?

Oooo, I never thought of Vaati. That would be an awesome character, with the final smash being his giant eyeball form.

Oh and development probably wont start for a while, since the team is still finishing up kid icarus. Don't expect this game for another year or three :/

Sonic. Tails. Knuckles. Shadow.
NO. GOD. DAMN. AMY.

Some characters that would be cool to see on the 3DS is paper mario and yarn kirby from Kirby's Epic Yarn. I don't know how it would work, but it would be cool to see him in 3-D. He could use that whip thing he had, and he wouldn't have as many jumps as normal kirby. I also hope Young Link comes back, weather it's an alternate costume, or a full playable character, I want him and Mewtwo back. An idea for if they have alternate costumes is that if the characters that were in past games look different from Brawl, they could make it so you can choose which version they look like. So if you choose Link you can make him look like N64, Melee, or Brawl Link.
EDIT: Is anyone else having a problem where they can't make the paragraphs apart? This was originally 2 paragraphs, but for some reason it just got bunched together.

Yeah,i love SMASH BROS,and i have played only the Nintendo 64 version(why?Cause i don't have a GameCube or Wii).

Honestly, I'd prefer Final Smashes were removed in general... but I dunno. I guess if they have to be there, some variety would be nice.

My only source is the interview with Sakurai, which IS linked.

That's mere speculation. Nothing is confirmed yet.

This game will be epic. But if they pull a star fox 3ds and say no internet multiplayer... then nooooooooooooo

I don't get it, isnt this Super Smash Bros 4?

This is great news except I have I small request.

NO GOD DAMN NON-NINTENDO CHARACTERS,

kthxbai

Technically yes but Sakurai calls it Super Smash Bros. 2 because he probably feels it's a revolution. Remember, Melee and Brawl were the 2nd and 3rd games, but they weren't called SSB2 and SSB3. So, SSB2 hasn't been made before...until now.

I think SSB. Brawl had the most awesome fighting story, and Sakura are going to focus developing the Story mode more for next Super Smash Bros. game. I have no idea why they call it but I only think of 2 SBB game with the story.

Anyone who want Capcom characters like Chris, Megaman, Ryu, and others..?

Subspace Emissary wasn't that bad, I agree. Some of the scenes were pretty funny, actually. As for Capcom characters, I dunno. I think it should stay with Nintendo only.

SECONDED. If it were up to me there wouldn't even be Sonic, but at least he seems like SSB-like character. On the other hand, WTH WAS UP WITH SNAKE. What were they smoking? Yeah, I would have no complaints if Smash Bros. were to revert to all 1st party characters. And if Capcom mucks it up with a bunch of their characters, I'm gonna punch a kitten.

Top 5 Third Party Characters for Me:

1. Mega Man
2. Simon Belmont
3. Travis Touchdown
4. Slime
5. Ryu (Street Fighter)

Basically, I chose my list based on what was likely, and who has the most significance with Nintendo.

Also, Sonic and Snake are going to be in, just saying. Firstly, Sonic is a no-brainer. They're still making Mario & Sonic games. Why would they stop the crossovers?

And Snake is more relevant to Nintendo than he's been for 7 years with Snake Eater 3D coming out.

aaaaanywaysss...

Ugh, I hate, hate, HATE everything about Subspace Emissary. The design was uninspired, it took up resources best used for other matters, and the story was awful. Yes, the cutscenes were charming, but the story was awful. No good story should require this to make heads or tails of it (in addition to the fact that the story had no substance.)

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At least someone put Mega Man at number one!

My problem with SSE, I wasn't expecting anything from the story, and the cut scenes were funny enough to let me enjoy that aspect, but the gameplay was awful. Pick from 2 to 5 random characters, go through the mostly linear level killing bland enemy after bland enemy. For hours. Also, I hated how easily it made unlocking the characters. I had fond memories of melee, my friends and I competing who could unlock which characters, discovering new characters we didn't know about, getting the thrill of "A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES" after some random fight. I didn't game G&W until months and months after I had the game, which really extended the fun for me. On the other hand, I had every Brawl character with in 3 days, and every stage within a week. I think the single player should be a way to unlock 1-3 of the characters, not all but 3.

I thought the Subspace Emissary was alright, but I totally agree on the unlocking characters part. It was way too easy, and unlocking stages was just as easy. You could pretty much unlock everything within a couple days.
I heard that Snake was included in the game because the creator Begged Sakurai to let him in Melee, but it was too far into development to add him in, so they put him in brawl. I thought it was pretty cool to see Sakurai put him in. I hope this game has a couple 3rd Party Characters, but no more than 4 or 5. If no 3rd Party characters are in though, it doesn't matter.

More like 12-hour Emissary, amirite?

It was boring. End of story. They're free to retry, but they should put more effort into making it interesting.

they should totlly have cluod and sefiroth oh and sora too theyre so sexy <3333333333333333333333333333333333 therewillbebloodifthesecharactersareinit

I really don't want to buy both. I love this series to death but I'd rather get a second game then two of the same.

I can also see Project Sora take the series one of two ways. It's either going to become a competitive fighter with it's complexity (like street fighter and the like) or insultingly simple.

As for the issue of character choices it should be kept to characters who are uniquely Nintendo. Snake was honestly a poor choice as his most recent activity was tied closely to Sony. Sonic is just barely passable because of the wide array of appearances, but let's keep Sonic universe characters to a minimum. M'kay?
Cloud and Sora are both poor options in my opinion. Both of these are Sony focused, and I don't care about Sora being on GBA and DS, that's not enough. Bring a Crystal Chronicals character or the Black Mage in if you want Final Fantasy.
A good example for a 3rd party character would be Professor Layton. He's never appeared outside of a Nintendo system and, for me at least, is a star character of the DS.

We also need more variety. Pokemon are super easy to implement into these games, but let's not take the easy way out. A metroid addition is long overdue and King R. Kool begs to be added. Ganondorf needs a moveset to call his own, and second Link needs more of an identity from the first (Majora's Mask version with race changing abilities, anyone?).
I wouldn't mind a lot of Mario universe characters though, seeing as they are Nintendo's main franchise.

I'm going to stop here in fears of tl;dr.

The 3DS version isn't sounding very good to be honest. I hope there will be multiplayer connectivity between the 3DS and Wii U versions because the 3DS' more singelplayer oriented direction doesn't sound good to me.

This. Travish Touchdown would be amazing, but I would settle for Mega Man or Zero.

How 'bout playing as your own Mii? There are multiple games for the Mii's so it wouldn't be too hard to think up a move set.

But Mii's are stupid...well i don't really dislike them that much but i would prefer it if they weren't in SSB.

Touch screen controls would make the stage maker easy.

I just realized that we're going to see an entire Nintendo cast in their best ever graphics!

I hated the Subspace Emissary, it just DRAGGED on. The same thing over and over again, I got so bored of it that I never bothered finishing it. I just hope Sakurai and his team work hard on the story mode.

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What this game needs:
Better online
Better single player mode
Geno

What this game does not need:
Sonic characters
Final Fantasy/ Kindom hearts/ Street Fighter characters
Easily unlocked characters
And most importantly, TRIPPING

Tripping ruined Brawl.

I agree with everything there.

I would add that gravity would return to normal though...Brawl I felt like I was filled up with helium

Oh and please Nintendo! Don't add mii's!!!!!!!!!!

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Completely disagree. While I don't think Sora or any other Kingdom Hearts character is deserving of a character slot, I'm not gonna remove any chances of other SquareEnix characters. Or Capcom characters. I think over time, the Smash series has evolved into something of a celebration of all the series that Nintendo has brought forth to us, including those from third party developers.

Also, you don't want easily unlocked characters? Are you one of those people who enjoyed unlocking Mewtwo and Mr. Game & Watch in Melee? I don't really mind unlocking, but some requirements are a tad ridiculous.

Yeah, easily unlocked characters is a plus for me. I want the characters I want to play as there from the start, so anywhere I go to play I can play as them. Because really, what's worse than going to play SSB only to see that they didn't unlock the character you want to play?

They can make stuff like songs and stages harder to obtain, but I want to get the characters easily.

I'd like something closer to melee in terms of unlocking characters. I enjoying the challenges and it adds more to the game. I was disappointed in brawl for having everyone unlocked during SSE, and I know you can do it the normal way, after unlocking them once it's no fun to do it again.

This reminds me, break the target should go back to being unique to each character. Also what happened to the platform one? That was fun.

Why do some people enjoy going through hell and back to unlock characters to play as is beyond me. And I love it when they use the term "replay value" as a defense while not realizing they're putting the game in a category. So because you unlocked the characters fast, that somehow takes away from the replay value of a multiplayer game that's about fighting other people? When I play a fighting game, I like to get the unlocking stuff out the way so all that's left is endless fighting. Believe it or not, heavy unlocking in a fighting game kinda kills it.

And please don't mis comprehend what I'm saying. I wouldn't mind having a ton of secret stuff because:
A lot to unlock but made simple > Heavy Unlocking requirements anyday

The way Capcom did MvC2 on XBLA and PSN and SSFIV was very smart in terms of characters being all ready for use.

This is literally the best summation of the next Smash Bros. game I have seen yet. I agree with every single point on this list 100%. If they did all this (well plus another 10 more characters) and took out clone final smashes (seriously, how hard would it have been to give Falco an Arwing... I mean he even says "personally I prefer the air, before getting in a TANK. That makes sense) Then I would be completely happy.

Adding characters and removing clones is what Smash Bros. is all about~

WARNING: LONG POST! (:
Yeah, so this is a list I created a while back for characters that I would like to see, and that seem likely for SSB4. Upon hearing that there would 2 versions, I modified it to have 5 exclusive characters for each console and 40 non exclusives, leading to 50 total characters. Tell me what you think. Did I miss anyone? Is there anyone that completely and totally should not be in this game? I love feedback.

Mario
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach (Daisy alt. Skin)
4. Bowser
5. Paper Mario
6. Rosalina (Wii U)/[Super Mario 3DS character OR Toad] (3DS)

Zelda
1. Link (Skyward Sword Style)
2. Zelda/Shiek
3. Gannondorf
4. Young Link (Oot) (Toon Link alt. Skin)
5. Midna & Wolf Link (Wii U)/Vaati (3DS)

Kirby
1. Kirby
2. Meta Knight
3. King DeDeDe
4. Prince Fluff (Wii U)/Waddle Dee (I know, sounds dumb, but seems to feature prominently in Kirby Wii) (3DS)

Pokemon
1. Pikachu
2. Jigglypuff
3. Zoroark
4. Pokemon Trailer Kanto (Wii U)/ Pokemon Trainer Johto (Totodile/Bayleef/Typhlosion) (or possibly Unova) (3DS)

Fire Emblem
1. Ike
2. Marth (Roy alt. Skin)
3. Lyn

Starfox
1. Fox
2. Falco
3. Wolf
4. Krystal

Donkey Kong
1. Donkey Kong
2. Diddy Kong (Wii U)/ Dixie Kong (3DS)
3. King K. Rool

Metroid
1. Samus/Zero-Suit
2. Ridley

Kid Icarus
1. Pit
2. Medusa

Mother
1. Ness (Lucas Alt. Skin)

Pikmin
1. Olimar (Louie alt. Skin)

WarioWare
1. Wario (Classic Wario alt. Skin)

Yoshi's Island
1. Yoshi

Retro
1. Game & Watch
2. R.O.B.
3. Ice Climbers

Golden Sun
1. Isaac

Animal Crossing
1. Animal Crosser

F-Zero
1. Captain Falcon
2. Samurai Goroh

3rd Party [MAYBE]
1. Geno

Add those 3rd Party to your list

Capcom:
Megaman (Alt. Megaman Bass outfit)
Chris Redfield/Leon Kenndy
Ryu (Street Fighter)
Phoenix Wright (Alt. Miles Edgeworth lol)

Ubisoft
Travis Touchdown
Rayman

SEGA
Sonic (alt. Shadow)
Knuckles
Maybe Dr. Eggman

Square Cnix
Sora (Alt. Roxas)
Donald Duck/Goofy/King Mickey (Assist Trophy Character)
Cloud Strife

Konami
Snake Solid (Alt. MGS3 Snake Solid)
(MGS4) Raiden

No! This is Smash Bros! Not Nintendo vs. Capcom or what ever. I bought Smash Bros to see Nintendo characters duking it out, not some hodgepodge selection of characters that may or may not have been on Nintendo consoles. I would be fine with those Sonic characters (I don't prefer them, but I could bare them) and maybe, MAYBE Megaman, but if SSB were completely first party, I would be more than happy.

they will use the 8gb cartridge you forget super smash bros. brawl was the first game nintendo used dual layer dvds for on the wii.

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I don't agree with the mii's thing it would be nice to play as my mii and they are nintendo characters whether you like it or not.

And I want more donkey kong characters like dixie kong and kiddy kong or something.

I have to agree with InfinityLink. You guys are getting too greedy with your 3rd parties. You shouldn't expect more than around 5 3rd parties for the next game in my opinion.

I believe I've made this comment already, but I'll make it again:

Smash is basically just a celebration of all things Nintendo. For many people, a lot of 3rd party characters who appeared on Nintendo consoles have had a bigger impact on them than a lot of 1st party characters in the game.

I mean, you have Simon Belmont whose games were classics on the NES, Ryu whose game was one of THE system sellers for the SNES, and Megaman who might as well just be a Nintendo character because of how fondly remembered his NES games are.

Really, it's characters like these that I'd like to see in. Characters that have really helped define Nintendo, even if they're not first party. Undoubtedly, they had more of an impact on Nintendo than a Lucario or an Ice Climbers.

I think nintendo,sony,and microsoft should go together once and make a game called video game deathmatch ps3 users would play as sony characters like ratchet and clank,xbox 360 users could play as microsoft characters like master chief,and nintendo wii or wii u users could play as nintendo characters and then all systems play on the same game servers so all the games on the differant system can all play online together and every company will make money and you can do awesome stuff like kick the heck out of cratos with master chief or with mario it would be epic and each company could make millions maybe billions.

That would be the biggest nightmare of all time to get the licensing for.

yes but it would be one of the most epic games of all time

I can see Magnus from Kid Icarus being in.

Travis is not a product of Ubisoft. He'd be under Grasshopper Manufacture.

Just sayin'.

What character I want is toad and a shy guy to play as would be sweet

Sorry, Got it from Wiki. :P I didn't know where No more heroes company came from.

I still want 3rd Party in SSB but only that have impact on Nintendo system.
For Example. Megaman have been on N64, GBA and DS several times, Resident Evil on GC (RE:4), Wii (Urmbella), 3DS (Mencernaries, Revelation)
So why not let them come as Newcomer?

With out a doubt this is my favorite first party nintendo series. If I have a Wii U at the time this is released, and if the 2 versions are different enough. I may just buy both versions.

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why would it be called "Super Smash Bros. 2"?
wouldnt it be Super Smash Bros. 4?

Gotta read that link in the first post, bro. The creator just gave it that name.

dude SSB2 WAS Melee. it still makes sense to call it SSB4

Sure, it makes sense, but that's not the code name. But it really doesn't matter anyway.

He said it's 2 because it's gonna seem refreshing as Melee and Brawl seemed like just next installments to him. Kinda like how the Dsi is an upgrade to the DS but the 3DS is the really the second DS as it's the successor. I love how people try to question the creator himself haha.

I didn't know that was the code name! i just u were calling it that. sry

So guys, seems like the rumor going around is that the versions of SSB will sort of function in the same manner as the multiplat Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games.

For those of you not familiar, in the Mario Tennis and Golf GBC games, it had a RPG mode where you could train and customize a character, and then transfer it to the N64 and play with it on there.

I think that basically confirms Miis will be playable in SSB, but that's just my opinion.

Aw man, if this level up thing is going to happen, it might be bad for me. When ever i get bored i play as random characters fighting other random characters. I hope i don't have to level up every character to be able to have a chance while fighting

Anyone think it should be like Weapon Master mode in Soul Calibur ll instead of a full scale leveling system? What I mean is like the ability to unlock outfits, different taunts, or maybe even changeable specials? Then you could have a custom character and a stock character(kinda like the old Budokai games). That way he could keep in the customization AND still retain the "quick play" mechanic. That's just me though :/

I feel like the customizable character part will just sorta be an additional mode. Like, not the main mode of play.

I say this because a key aspect of SSB is allowing anyone to play. They wouldn't force people to have to go through lengthy character customization or leveling up just to be able to compete with everyone else.

I hope that if this turns out to be true, that this doesn't mean that the 3DS version will be largely reliant on the Wii U version. I don't necessarily dislike the concept, but I want both games to be largely autonomous. Not that I won't have both versions, but I like the idea of a portable Smash that can be played over local connection and Wi-Fi with friends, that also has some connectivity with the Wii U, not just a satellite game that just enhances the Wii U game.

I want both versions to be equal in features and characters, not have a dominant one I guess

i don`t hope i can use my Mii in game cause i hate having Mii in Mario Kart wii and i assume that theire going to be in Mario Kart 3D aswell and i hate them xD

So please no mii

i like the idea of a customisable mii.. though i wish the bastards didn't smile so much..

when is kid icurus due to release? (or rather when can we expect SSB to begin devolpment ?)

Miis in Smash Bros? Don't like it. But RPG elements in Smash Bros?

hmm.. reckon you could add a rumours section to the first page?
Then people could back-up/disprove them and we can at least speculate with a little accuracy (Also there are people like myself who don't have the time or patience to read past the first 3 page)

Rofl dude, I'm SO for this and all, but at least change the name, please? I think an appropriate name would be one that obviously has to do with the Wii U and 3DS cross-platforming. I have a list... =p

New names for a Smash Bros game?
SSB: Enhanced (I like this one)
SSB: Revolutions (Ooo)
SSB: Blast? (Nah)
SSB: Strike (Naw)
SSB: Grit? (Haha)
SSB: Power (Pfft)
SSB: Future (?)
SSB: United (Kind of makes sense, due to the Subspace story, plus the integration between 3DS & Wii U)
SSB: Nemesis (Could have playable bosses from each characters' game. So you get more characters AND an accurate story/ battle.)

Thoughts?

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@CallmeJackz, Rentaline, and cpgt1996,

Maybe it's called SSB 2 because it can be played on TWO different consoles with TWO different screens? haha. Naw, if it's a code name, it's all good, since it's not official.

Well the Director stated that the Codename is "2" because it's going to be very different than the others or something like that.

How about "Super Smash Bros. Combat"?

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It's going to be "Super Smash Bros. Duel".

As in, two games working together and the concept of fighting. Also both versions will be using duel screens.

It's time to D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Duel! Usually when i think of duel it's 2 people, but i guess it's a cool idea since there are 2 screens.

The names I like are:

Super Smash Bros United
Super Smash Bros Universe
Super Smash Bros Revolution
Super Smash Bros Showdown
Super Smash Bros Battle
Super Smash Bros Clash

And I don't think the idea of mii's being playable would work unless maybe they let you customize there moves like if you want close-range attacks or projectile moves. It could work though.

I still like Super Smash Bros Strife.
Mainly because

There are no notable rumors right now. All the information I have is straight from Sakurai's mouth.

I'm hoping for the ability to use the 3ds as a controller. Maybe the 3ds and WiiU versions would have different corresponding titles similar to the Pokemon series :3

I will personally murder the first person to suggest Cloud Strife.

I'm just.. Saiyan...

ANYWAY on topic, WAHOO! YATTAAAA!!!! Best news of E3 in my humble opinion. I hope it doesn't take a hundred years. I'm expecting a 2013 release. Would you say that's unreasonable?

I'd put my money on early 2014, personally.