The Ultimate Super Mario Sunshine 3DS Thread

NameUser · 09-06-2010, 01:40 AM

Now, let me star by saying, I realize this was already covered. However, I was not satisfied with the evidence used. There are several reasons that SMS 3DS is very likely that were not covered.

1. Super Mario Sunshine was a good game, yet it is considered a black sheep of the series do to a few things.
a. It was glitchy
b. It was hard
c. While it had polish, it didn't have the usual kind of polish.
Now, I'd imagine fixing these things would be incredibly easy. So, they fix these things, port it over/remake it, and they've got a best-selling 3DS game.
2. While, yes, Luigi's Mansion 3DS is more likely, I think they will both be released. Some consider SMS a sequel to Luigi's Mansion. They have a similar graphics style, and would work well being released together.
3. Nintendo is focusing on remakes. Nintendo has been making A LOT of remakes for the Nintendo 3DS. Why would they not remake one of the few 3D mario platformers? They wouldn't want to remake the Galaxy games, as they can be sold on Wii for more.
4. It has plenty of room for additions/changes. Nintendo doesn't just want to remake games, they want to make them somewhat different so that people who played the original will still buy them. SMS had plenty of Shines that were boring/easy to get, and could be replaced with something more invigorating without anyone missing them. Plus, all of the recycled bosses leave places Nintendo could add in new bosses.

So, anyone have any opinions?

smashbunny · 09-06-2010, 01:51 AM

I agree 100% but I'd say it's still not evidence to say "Yes they are making it" but we are able to say there is a higher chance that there will be. I really like how you said it has plenty of room because it does! Super Mario Sunshine is 1.4 GB, well all Gamecube games are 1.4 GB but with the garbage files removed to fill the disc, in reality, Super Mario Sunshine is only 1.09 GB! 1121.5 MB to be exact. 3DS Cartridges hold 2 GB.

NameUser · 09-06-2010, 01:57 AM

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I agree 100% but I'd say it's still not evidence to say "Yes they are making it" but we are able to say there is a higher chance that there will be. I really like how you said it has plenty of room because it does! Super Mario Sunshine is 1.4 GB, well all Gamecube games are 1.4 GB but with the garbage files removed to fill the disc, in reality, Super Mario Sunshine is only 1.09 GB! 1121.5 MB to be exact. 3DS Cartridges hold 2 GB.

I wasn't reffering to hardware limitations, as that is quite obvious, but to room in the game itself. They COULD add more stars in SMG, but it would just casue the game to darg on. SMS had plenty of shines that could be extended, or replaced, and they could even get away with adding more.

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 02:03 AM

they could go deeper in the story like how bowser jr stole the brush and maybe some co-op like real co-opnot like mg2 even though that was fun and made it easier i still want real improvements
and maybe play some bowser jr missions were u play as him

Aether · 09-06-2010, 02:10 AM

Wait... people consider Sunshine a sequel of Luigi's Mansion? Rant time! Skip to the closing tag if you want to skip it.
[rant] Sunshine is NOT a sequel in no way. Using the same graphical style does not make it a sequel. By that logic realistic first person shooters are all sequels of each other. Mario has something on his back and Luigi did too? This guy had a gun and that guy had a gun... Sequels have core elements that stay the same. For example, the for element of Luigi's Mansion was to suck in ghosts. Now let's compare that to the core of element of Sunshine which was... platforming. Those don't sound even remotely similar. Spiritual successors have a similar core element has well. The way I see it, is people think that similarities like same art style, something on their back, and Mario universe enough to warrant the title of sequel. That's all that they have in common. [/rant]

Now that the rant is over... I would love to see a Sunshine remake on the 3Ds. Maybe even a sequel? Sunshine was awesome, 3DS is awesome, so that would make.. double awesome? Count me in.

NameUser · 09-06-2010, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chipvader View Post

they could go deeper in the story like how bowser jr stole the brush and maybe some co-op like real co-opnot like mg2 even though that was fun and made it easier i still want real improvements
and maybe play some bowser jr missions were u play as him

I don't se co-op or playing as Bowser Jr. coming, but I can see there being (low) chances of expanded story.

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 02:21 AM

ok i wasnt talking about co-op as bowser jr and i wouldnt say its a sequel but e gadd built all the tech so the story line is connected but i wonder why luigi wasnt in sunshine and everyone else was

NameUser · 09-06-2010, 02:27 AM

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ok i wasnt talking about co-op as bowser jr and i wouldnt say its a sequel but e gadd built all the tech so the story line is connected but i wonder why luigi wasnt in sunshine and everyone else was

Luigi wasn't in because Mario said:
"Letsa go on a vacation and not tell a Luigi were leaving!"

On-Topic:
I know, I said I doubt weither playing as Bowser Jr. OR Co-Op are likely.

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 02:28 AM

well they really surprised us with 64 ds so who knows

smashbunny · 09-06-2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NameUser View Post

I wasn't reffering to hardware limitations, as that is quite obvious, but to room in the game itself. They COULD add more stars in SMG, but it would just casue the game to darg on. SMS had plenty of shines that could be extended, or replaced, and they could even get away with adding more.

I know, I just didn't want to repeat what you said. I was trying to say you were right in 2 ways.

Big J · 09-06-2010, 03:35 AM

C'mon forget the remakes. Let's get some new levels! Super Mario Sunshine 2, and Super Mario 64 2! And a Super Mario Galaxy 3 would be pretty epic but I really really doubt it...

sammaster9 · 09-06-2010, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Aether View Post

Wait... people consider Sunshine a sequel of Luigi's Mansion? Rant time! Skip to the closing tag if you want to skip it.
[rant] Sunshine is NOT a sequel in no way. Using the same graphical style does not make it a sequel. By that logic realistic first person shooters are all sequels of each other. Mario has something on his back and Luigi did too? This guy had a gun and that guy had a gun... Sequels have core elements that stay the same. For example, the for element of Luigi's Mansion was to suck in ghosts. Now let's compare that to the core of element of Sunshine which was... platforming. Those don't sound even remotely similar. Spiritual successors have a similar core element has well. The way I see it, is people think that similarities like same art style, something on their back, and Mario universe enough to warrant the title of sequel. That's all that they have in common. [/rant]

Now that the rant is over... I would love to see a Sunshine remake on the 3Ds. Maybe even a sequel? Sunshine was awesome, 3DS is awesome, so that would make.. double awesome? Count me in.

i was about to say that, but you pretty much covered everything aether

Zorathan · 09-06-2010, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aether View Post

Wait... people consider Sunshine a sequel of Luigi's Mansion? Rant time! Skip to the closing tag if you want to skip it.
[rant] Sunshine is NOT a sequel in no way. Using the same graphical style does not make it a sequel. By that logic realistic first person shooters are all sequels of each other. Mario has something on his back and Luigi did too? This guy had a gun and that guy had a gun... Sequels have core elements that stay the same. For example, the for element of Luigi's Mansion was to suck in ghosts. Now let's compare that to the core of element of Sunshine which was... platforming. Those don't sound even remotely similar. Spiritual successors have a similar core element has well. The way I see it, is people think that similarities like same art style, something on their back, and Mario universe enough to warrant the title of sequel. That's all that they have in common. [/rant]

Now that the rant is over... I would love to see a Sunshine remake on the 3Ds. Maybe even a sequel? Sunshine was awesome, 3DS is awesome, so that would make.. double awesome? Count me in.

100% incorrect.

Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine are directly related. Professor E. Gadd or whatever created FLUDD and the thing Luigi uses. I would say that Luigi's Mansion is first. After the mansion and Mario are saved, Luigi stays at his home and Mario goes off to Del Fino.

You should seriously consider doing more research before you run your mouth.

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorathan View Post

100% incorrect.

Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine are directly related. Professor E. Gadd or whatever created FLUDD and the thing Luigi uses. I would say that Luigi's Mansion is first. After the mansion and Mario are saved, Luigi stays at his home and Mario goes off to Del Fino.

You should seriously consider doing more research before you run your mouth.

i already said that.

sammaster9 · 09-06-2010, 05:16 AM

btw, i think its called the poltergust 3000

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 05:19 AM

and the brush is just called magic paint brush
idk why or how e gadd made it as a man of science

Aether · 09-06-2010, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorathan View Post

100% incorrect.

Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine are directly related. Professor E. Gadd or whatever created FLUDD and the thing Luigi uses. I would say that Luigi's Mansion is first. After the mansion and Mario are saved, Luigi stays at his home and Mario goes off to Del Fino.

You should seriously consider doing more research before you run your mouth.

Throwing out all I said because there happens to be one character that makes something important in both games? Well, E Gadd also made the time machine in Mario & Luigi: Partners in time. So I suppose that's a sequel to Sunshine, now? No, it's not. I'm using the same idea has you, A common character in all three that is vital to the plot of each. Are the game's related? Yes. Are they sequels? No. I didn't even say the games were unrelated. I specifically said there weren't sequels. I will admit that I had forgotten about E. Gadd though. However, I did do my research for this post.

Now look at us, arguing over a minor detail because i made a spur of the moment rant. :\

chipvader · 09-06-2010, 06:35 AM

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Throwing out all I said because there happens to be one character that makes something important in both games? Well, E Gadd also made the time machine in Mario & Luigi: Partners in time. So I suppose that's a sequel to Sunshine, now? No, it's not. I'm using the same idea has you, A common character in all three that is vital to the plot of each. Are the game's related? Yes. Are they sequels? No. I didn't even say the games were unrelated. I specifically said there weren't sequels. I will admit that I had forgotten about E. Gadd though. However, I did do my research for this post.

Now look at us, arguing over a minor detail because i made a spur of the moment rant. :\

well in partners in time when they see the past e gadd and he says hes going to boo woods where the mansion is
im not saying its a sequel but even though it may not seem like i but all mario games follow a storyline as a whole

DrugsIsBad · 09-06-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorathan View Post

100% incorrect.

Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine are directly related. Professor E. Gadd or whatever created FLUDD and the thing Luigi uses. I would say that Luigi's Mansion is first. After the mansion and Mario are saved, Luigi stays at his home and Mario goes off to Del Fino.

You should seriously consider doing more research before you run your mouth.

Super Mario Sunshine was meant to be more of a sequel to Super Mario 64. Like someone said it doesn't matter which characters are in it that makes two games relate, but it's the elements of the game, the elements of Luigi's Mansion are completely different from the elements of Super Mario Sunshine,while SM64 is just about the same as SMSS making SMSS the sequel to SM64(not to mention the use of "Super Mario" in both names)

Jamie · 09-06-2010, 03:11 PM

This game would be perfect for the 3DS, it would also be a very easy money maker for Nintendo seeing as their is only a few Minor Problems with the original.

NameUser · 09-06-2010, 03:13 PM

Let's just stop the whole LM argument. I didn't say I think it's a sequel, I said some people think it's a sequel. (Which is kinda stupid)

nissen22 · 09-11-2010, 08:58 AM

super mario sunshine 3ds would be awesome

sms is my second favorite game of all time

FireGrey · 09-11-2010, 11:04 AM

I never played it so i hope there is a remake

Moshiman · 04-16-2011, 04:32 PM

Am I the only person here who wants this?

If you want it too just post what you would like to see if one was created.

TheMightyFludd · 04-16-2011, 04:43 PM

No you are not the only one who wants this game. Super Mario Sunshine is my favorite Mario 3D Platformer. I love this game way more than Galaxy or Galaxy 2.

Lachster · 04-16-2011, 04:50 PM

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No you are not the only one who wants this game. Super Mario Sunshine is my favorite Mario 3D Platformer. I love this game way more than Galaxy or Galaxy 2.

same here everything you said. I really want ether a 3ds sunshine or an original piece of work like sunshine.

gatygun · 04-16-2011, 05:16 PM

Port the entire mario collection that got made ever towards the 3DS.

The Video Gamer · 04-16-2011, 05:20 PM

I'd rather have Super Mario 64 3D. Super Mario Sunshine just doesn't feel like a Mario game.

SuperLink · 04-16-2011, 05:24 PM

Supermario Sunshine was amazing!

Also why Make another Mario 64,its already remade for DS and ported too the WII,making it again just for the 3D and selling it for 39.99 doesnt make sense,unless they jsut totally remake it or something

THEj · 04-16-2011, 05:28 PM

yeah I want that and luigi's mansion and wind waker. and a mario 64 should either be expanded or really cheap.

Lachster · 04-16-2011, 05:28 PM

Sunshine was my favourite 3d mario game!!!

The Video Gamer · 04-16-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperLink View Post

Supermario Sunshine was amazing!

Also why Make another Mario 64,its already remade for DS and ported too the WII,making it again just for the 3D and selling it for 39.99 doesnt make sense,unless they jsut totally remake it or something

I don't think they should do it I'd just rather have it than Super Mario Sunshine.

NickNintendo · 04-16-2011, 05:31 PM

I wonder if they will ever port Windwaker to the 3ds. I'm sure though they will have a toon Link game with Windwakers interface though. I wouldn't want to play as link on the small touch screen and I'm sure almost everybody would agree with me.

SuperLink · 04-16-2011, 05:46 PM

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yeah I want that and luigi's mansion and wind waker. and a mario 64 should either be expanded or really cheap.

Yeqah,if they make it 3D,it better not be 39.99 >_>
Luigi's mansion sounds good

although i never liked windwaker that much,what was annoying the most was that stupid Baton >_>

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I don't think they should do it I'd just rather have it than Super Mario Sunshine.

But you'll have too pay more for a game thats already out for the DS,only difference: 3D. it wouldnt make sense too me unless the milk it and make it better,but if its the same as the DS version then i wouldnt waste my money on it.As for mario sunshine,i dont even have it for the gamecube anymore. idk it would seem col for the 3ds,and they could maybe add more too it.

The Video Gamer · 04-16-2011, 05:50 PM

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But you'll have too pay more for a game thats already out for the DS,only difference: 3D. it wouldnt make sense too me unless the milk it and make it better,but if its the same as the DS version then i wouldnt waste my money on it.As for mario sunshine,i dont even have it for the gamecube anymore. idk it would seem col for the 3ds,and they could maybe add more too it.

Not just 3D they could also improve the graphics and add some levels from the cancelled Super Mario 64 2. They could also use Streetpass and put in some more playable characters.

SuperLink · 04-16-2011, 05:54 PM

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Not just 3D they could also improve the graphics and add some levels from the cancelled Super Mario 64 2. They could also use Streetpass and put in some more playable characters.

i doubt they would do all that though,Becasue there making a new supermario game for the system,i rather buy that then a 64 port/Remake.Sunshine on the other hand just had a different feel that i miss.

THEj · 04-16-2011, 07:42 PM

I think I would like lots of gamecube remakes.

KanineKruizer · 04-16-2011, 07:44 PM

Super Mario Sunshine, the best Mario game ever, although it isn't the biggest or best lookin'.

I've been talking about having this game remade for quite some time. Only, I'd like to have more island locations, expanded existing levels, and a lot more shine sprites...please!

KitKatSwirl · 04-16-2011, 11:15 PM

adding 3d depth to sunshine would soo helpful. i just hate how in some 3d mario you cant judge distance soo well.

mariofa13 · 04-16-2011, 11:22 PM

I want it, but with the Wii 2 and stuff, I'm kind of hoping a sequel comes to that.

Weegee · 04-16-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperLink View Post

Supermario Sunshine was amazing!

Also why Make another Mario 64,its already remade for DS and ported too the WII,making it again just for the 3D and selling it for 39.99 doesnt make sense,unless they jsut totally remake it or something

I agree. However, if they updated the graphics in Super Mario 64 with graphics as good as or better than SMG graphics and sold it for the 3DS (without the extra stuff in SM64DS) I'd buy it in a flash.

SapphireKirby · 04-16-2011, 11:34 PM

I would buy it, but Nintendo needs more new games rather than remakes

Weegee · 04-17-2011, 12:45 AM

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I would buy it, but Nintendo needs more new games rather than remakes

I agree. While remakes are always nice if it's of an excellent game, new games are always the best because they're, well, new!

xBlackout · 04-17-2011, 08:59 AM

I wanted it since the 3DS was announced.. However I can live without it since I think the Wii 2 will be able to download gamecube games. :3

04-17-2011, 09:05 AM

I really want Sunshine and Wind Waker, but I doubt it's technically possible on the 3DS.

The Video Gamer · 04-17-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Foobrew View Post

I really want Sunshine and Wind Waker, but I doubt it's technically possible on the 3DS.

What are you talking about the 3DS' graphical capabilities are in between the Wii and Xbox 360 but closer to the 360 that's more then enough.

04-17-2011, 10:25 AM

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What are you talking about the 3DS' graphical capabilities are in between the Wii and Xbox 360 but closer to the 360 that's more then enough.

Where did you read or hear that? Links please.

Personally, looking at the current games on the 3DS, I wouldn't even put it in the same realms as the Gamecube!

04-17-2011, 10:32 AM

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Where did you read or hear that? Links please.

Personally, looking at the current games on the 3DS, I wouldn't even put it in the same realms as the Gamecube!

Yeah, I haven't seen one game that comes close to Gamecube yet.

04-17-2011, 10:41 AM

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Yeah, I haven't seen one game that comes close to Gamecube yet.

That guy is obviously talking out of his ass. I think Pilotwings is the best technical demonstration of what the 3DS can accomplish. And although the game does look good, there's just not much going on. I can see that the game struggles a little bit, not much, but I can see the frame rate drop at times.

The Video Gamer · 04-17-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyCorleone View Post

Where did you read or hear that? Links please.

Personally, looking at the current games on the 3DS, I wouldn't even put it in the same realms as the Gamecube!

YouTube - Resident Evil Revelations 3DS Trailer

YouTube - Metal Gear Solid 3DS Trailer

YouTube - Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D - Official Gameplay Trailer

YouTube - Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D - Combat

04-17-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Video Gamer View Post

YouTube - Resident Evil Revelations 3DS Trailer

YouTube - Metal Gear Solid 3DS Trailer

YouTube - Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D - Official Gameplay Trailer

YouTube - Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D - Combat

I'm going to wait after I play RE Mercenaries before I can say it looks as good as Gamecube. Games have a tendency to look much better in screen shots and videos than they do on the actual 3DS.

The Video Gamer · 04-17-2011, 10:51 AM

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I'm going to wait after I play RE Mercenaries before I can say it looks as good as Gamecube. Games have a tendency to look much better in screen shots and videos than they do on the actual 3DS.

But you've gotta admit that's close to the Xbox 360 and the off screen footage will actually look like that.

04-17-2011, 10:53 AM

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But you've gotta admit that's close to the Xbox 360 and the off screen footage will actually look like that.

I've got my fingers crossed.....if it looks as good as those videos I will do a back flip.

04-17-2011, 11:05 AM

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But you've gotta admit that's close to the Xbox 360 and the off screen footage will actually look like that.

You know, the trailer does look good for MGS. I never looked at the other ones, because I've seen some of them already. But what you have to understand is, is that it's a technical demo, the thing is running on rails. There's no interaction from the player whatsoever, no AI involved.

Any time you see a demo for some hardware, it always looks better than the actual games. The game itself has to deal with a lot more computational resources. If you were playing that game you would be looking around in 3D space, the game would have to provide for that. The enemies would have to have their own AI, that would take up resources. The effect the player would have on the environment, if any, would take up resources.

What I've seen with the MGS trailer is just an on-rails/scripted demo. They always look good.

The Video Gamer · 04-17-2011, 11:11 AM

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You know, the trailer does look good for MGS. I never looked at the other ones, because I've seen some of them already. But what you have to understand is, is that it's a technical demo, the thing is running on rails. There's no interaction from the player whatsoever, no AI involved.

Any time you see a demo for some hardware, it always looks better than the actual games. The game itself has to deal with a lot more computational resources. If you were playing that game you would be looking around in 3D space, the game would have to provide for that. The enemies would have to have their own AI, that would take up resources. The effect the player would have on the environment, if any, would take up resources.

What I've seen with the MGS trailer is just an on-rails/scripted demo. They always look good.

But it's also been stretched out on the 3DS's smaller screen it will look better.

YouTube - Nintendo 3DS Experience Night - Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater Demo - Munich, Germany, Feb 2011

Not to mention the game isn't finished yet so they will likely make it look better.

04-17-2011, 11:21 AM

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But it's also been stretched out on the 3DS's smaller screen it will look better.

YouTube - Nintendo 3DS Experience Night - Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater Demo - Munich, Germany, Feb 2011

Not to mention the game isn't finished yet so they will likely make it look better.

I'm just a bit sceptical. I have to see something running with my own eyes before I believe it. I always do that, because I've got hyped over things before and have been let down. This way if I'm wrong, it turns out great for me. If I'm right, I don't feel let down by all the hype surrounding it. Although deep down I want it to look great.

That Mercenaries video did look good though, the one with the actual game running off a 3DS unit. That did look impressive.

04-17-2011, 11:27 AM

Yeah, but off screen footage always looks better than it is on the actual 3DS, it seems to smooth the jaggies and look less pixilated. Street Fighter looked amazing on the Youtube videos, and then when I actually played it, I was pretty let down.

3DGabriel · 04-17-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperLink View Post

Supermario Sunshine was amazing!

Also why Make another Mario 64,its already remade for DS and ported too the WII,making it again just for the 3D and selling it for 39.99 doesnt make sense,unless they jsut totally remake it or something

why do that the legend of zelda oot, and starfox 64. same thing.

Lachster · 04-19-2011, 12:14 AM

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why do that the legend of zelda oot, and starfox 64. same thing.

they havnt put those games on a hand-held yet. sm64 has already been improved.and not too many people would get a new graphical updated version of the game. and before you say star fox was on the ds... it was horrible in comparison to 64

THEj · 04-19-2011, 12:37 AM

Remakes are good cause lots of people haven't played them before, for example, i never played mario/star fox 64/.

ANIMALCHOPPINGS · 05-01-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lachster View Post

same here everything you said. I really want ether a 3ds sunshine or an original piece of work like sunshine.

I agree 100% Mario sunshine was great but an all new experience would also be welcomed

Weegee · 05-01-2011, 10:56 PM

I'd buy Super Mario Sunshine 3D for sure. If they made it, I kind of hope they improve the graphics some, make the Boos look like normal Boos, maybe make the Bloopers look normal too, and make King Boo actually look like he's supposed to.

Sterculius · 05-01-2011, 11:13 PM

i always liked the tropical island feel of mario sunshine, i just didn't like to ALWAYS have to use the FLUDD. I wished that it was just something we used every once in a while, but it was still a decent game.

But i'm really excited with the direction they're taking this Mario 3DS game. SO PUMPED for the return of Raccoon Mario!!!

SuperLink · 05-01-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 3DGabriel View Post

why do that the legend of zelda oot, and starfox 64. same thing.

No.Theve never been on a handheld Or remade for one before and Mario 64 has already been remade for the DS,why would you want a second Remake? think about that,Second remake,infact i guess you could call it a clone since i doubt they would change anything but add 3D to it and make the price higher.

05-01-2011, 11:21 PM

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I kind of hope they improve the graphics some, make the Boos look like normal Boos, maybe make the Bloopers look normal too, and make King Boo actually look like he's supposed to.

Ummmmm

But yeah, I do hope they fix some of the models, the boos looked flat out dumb. I didn't like their droopy eyes and such. I didn't notice the bloopers looking to much different though.

Jedmondson0007 · 05-01-2011, 11:25 PM

this or some new original super mario would be cool

beyerballler54 · 05-01-2011, 11:25 PM

If you would of used the search bar you would have known that other people want this.

05-01-2011, 11:26 PM

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If you would of used the search bar you would have known that other people want this.

If you had used the search bar you'd know it was broken.

Jedmondson0007 · 05-01-2011, 11:32 PM

also its wat i want too so i posted it

enfilade · 05-02-2011, 03:03 AM

this would be fantastic! I cant wait to play some mario 3D whatever they give us!

mariosunshinerules22 · 05-03-2011, 12:51 AM

THEY SHOULD DO THIS! If 64 gets a remake and Galaxy gets a sequel, what about Sunshine? But OFCOURSE the Galaxy and 64 fanboys would rebel, sigh..

xxbrothawizxx · 05-03-2011, 01:29 AM

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I'd rather have Super Mario 64 3D. Super Mario Sunshine just doesn't feel like a Mario game.

hell yeah, I really want them to release Super Mario 64 3D on the E-shop in the 3D classics section

SuperLink · 05-03-2011, 06:37 PM

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hell yeah, I really want them to release Super Mario 64 3D on the E-shop in the 3D classics section

I doubt they would do that

N3DS ROCKS · 05-05-2011, 05:32 PM

they are makeing star fox 64 for 3ds if you don't believe me go to Video Game Cheats, Reviews, FAQs, Message Boards, and More - GameFAQs click on 3ds and then i think its in the s section if its not then its under one of the other letter catagories yea you can also see all other upcoming titles/(games) for the N3DS also you can check other console if you want to and you can also check the release date of a title that you clicked if you click on data some release dates are still unkown so it might say Q2011,Q2012 or more comenly TBA witch stands for to be annonced hope this helped in some way

Kryzz · 05-05-2011, 05:34 PM

I haven't played it... so I would quite like that. I'm still finding the motivation to get through SMG2..

nesmaniac · 05-05-2011, 06:33 PM

I don't know why super mario sunshine got such a bad rap. I really enjoyed the game and the fludd made the platforming mechanics so much more interesting and unique.

Starless · 05-07-2011, 04:51 PM

I really like Super Mario Sunshine, but I Super Mario Sunshine game would not sell well at all. I mean back in the days of GameCube, it didn't sell well, and I don't think people would want it much on a handheld. Personally I would LOVE to so a Super Mario Sunshine 3DS, but we can only dream.

Crazybirds · 05-07-2011, 09:11 PM

I loved Sunshine...that would be soooo cool!!

giesenkid · 05-08-2011, 02:30 AM

http://3dsforums.com/nintendo-3ds-3/...ill-come-3409/

the answer right there

Kungpowking · 05-08-2011, 02:57 AM

I cant say i HATED Mario Sunshine because there were moments that i did enjoy it. But on the whole it was my least favorite mario game ever. I hated the FLUDD water gun/jetpack. It might have been tolerable with the wiimote but on the gcn pad it was bad. I would much prefer a Mario Galaxy 3D over a remake of SMS. MUCH PREFER!

super-mushroom-mario-man · 05-27-2011, 05:30 AM

I mean i would the graphics are more than capable and the conrols would be easy

Matchbox · 05-27-2011, 05:34 AM

The 3DS already has more than enough ports of old games coming to it so no thanks to that. A sequel would be fine though.

monkey2190 · 05-31-2011, 06:47 AM

I'm not sure how they would handle the lack of analog shoulder buttons but if they could make it work I would buy this on day one.

EpiclyEpic · 05-31-2011, 06:49 AM

Yesssssssss

Gēmu Bōi · 05-31-2011, 02:53 PM

I'll take a sequel or port, really.

justincrabtree1 · 05-31-2011, 02:54 PM

i loved that game. that would be sweeeet

Sterculius · 05-31-2011, 03:38 PM

yes please. i need to track that game down, because it really was under rated, over hated.

05-31-2011, 04:53 PM

Yes yes yes yes yes.

Taven · 05-31-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by monkey2190 View Post

I'm not sure how they would handle the lack of analog shoulder buttons but if they could make it work I would buy this on day one.

This^

If they mapped the pressure sensitive FLUDD to the touch screen, it would be really clunky from what I could tell. The fludd is better mapped to a Gamecube-like shoulder button so you can utilize it better in mid jump, or while doing the spinning-water squirt move (Rotate analog like you are doing a spin jump, but hit the fludd instead and Mario spins like a top on the ground)

j510 · 05-31-2011, 08:55 PM

helllllllllll no too much ports already

logitech · 05-31-2011, 09:06 PM

SMS is my least favorite 3D Mario, BY FAR, so I would be rather apathetic towards a SMS port/sequel.

I'm glad to see the new Mario is going to be more like SMG.

samjuggles · 05-31-2011, 09:14 PM

I wouldn't mind it. SMS was a great 3D Mario. I lost the game though

Brown_yoshi · 05-31-2011, 11:42 PM

I wouldn't mind a sequel, but I really don't think that a port would be necessary.

TheMightyFludd · 05-31-2011, 11:48 PM

I sure would like a sequel. Sunshine is my favorite Mario 3D platformer game.

KanineKruizer · 05-31-2011, 11:49 PM

Super Mario Sunshine is my most favorite Mario game out there, so, yeah, I'll take one please! In fact, I'll take one with expanded locations, added locations, new FLUDD attatchments, and more Baby Bowser Jr. levels!!!

Oh, and at least 180 Shine Sprites, please! Oh, and Luigi too!!!

SuperCow · 06-01-2011, 12:03 AM

SMS is the only 3D mario I actually got 100% of the stars.
Although I got close in SM64DS.

I loved that game, but the disc got scratched badly and wouldn't work anymore. I would welcome a remake or port for the 3DS.

giesenkid · 06-01-2011, 12:08 AM

http://3dsforums.com/nintendo-3ds-3/...ill-come-3409/

my response

Abcdude · 06-01-2011, 12:30 AM

No port, a REMAKE! Brand new graphics, skippable cut scenes, a brand new add on (take master quest for example) a port would be exactly like the original but a REMAKE could even add tons of stuff that wasn't in the original! FLIPPIN AMAZING!!

cdaleh · 06-01-2011, 01:12 AM

I liked Super Mario Sunshine, it is a challenging title!!

mariosunshinerules22 · 06-01-2011, 01:45 PM

Super Mario Sunshine and Luigi Mansion 3D would be amazing. NOT A PORT, but a REMAKE, (or even better), a sequel to both!!

I have had enough of Galaxy this, Galaxy that. Blahblahblahblah!!

Dukie · 06-01-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by logitech View Post

SMS is my least favorite 3D Mario, BY FAR, so I would be rather apathetic towards a SMS port/sequel.

I'm glad to see the new Mario is going to be more like SMG.

Same with me. I couldn't STAND Sunshine, so I wouldn't be too keen on seeing anything that has to deal with it anymore.

DoubleA2 · 08-12-2011, 11:45 PM

Another remake, are you sick of it? Cause im not. Yoshiaki Koizumi, the director behind Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario Galaxy said that he would like to remake Super Mario Sunshine for the 3DS. He also said that he would love to see the majority of Zelda games remade in 3D aswell as both Super Mario Galaxy games.

If a remake is going to happen, I think it could be Super Mario Sunshine. Would you like to see Super Mario Sunshine on the Nintendo 3DS in 3D? Discuss.

Click me for more info!

MythOS · 08-12-2011, 11:45 PM

inb4remakessuck

Never owned a GC, so I'm not bothered.

papermario3DS · 08-12-2011, 11:51 PM

I'd rather see Tales of Symphonia remade still.

boris the spider · 08-12-2011, 11:52 PM

me likey
insert 20 characters here

imfulus · 08-12-2011, 11:54 PM

Loved sunshine!
Quite a long game, tons of colour and great environments...would look awsome in 3D
Id preorder no doubt :P

AWB · 08-12-2011, 11:56 PM

I loved the color more in Sunshine than in the Galaxy games!

TwilightSin · 08-12-2011, 11:59 PM

i don't mind remakes, But i want and NEED to see new titles. There are only a few titles that i would buy if they are remaked. So new titles Yes please. Some remakes. Yes please. But dont over do it nintendo...

Ahmad · 08-13-2011, 12:02 AM

Sunshine > 3d land
I prefer open sandbox Instead of bein forced to do levels

08-13-2011, 12:06 AM

Oh my. These remakes are really going to get out of hand, aren't they? They need to announce new games first! Remakes/ports this early on in the 3DS' life isn't good at all.

BY THE WAY, I'M GAY.

Order · 08-13-2011, 12:07 AM

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Oh my. These remakes are really going to get out of hand, aren't they? They need to announce new games first! Remakes/ports this early on in the 3DS' life isn't good at all.

BY THE WAY, I'M GAY.

Seriously, all these damn remakes are pissing me off.

Masterlink77 · 08-13-2011, 12:07 AM

I like remakes they are awesome!!!

Desert Punk · 08-13-2011, 12:11 AM

Not convinced the 3DS could pull off a full gamecube conversion like that. Luigi's Mansion I can understand as it never pushed the gamecube but Mario Sunshine is quite an impressive game technically. So far Nintendo have concentrated on N64 conversions and just enhanced the graphics. I would love to see it though but only if they can fully convert it without horrible compromises. There are a lot of creatures wandering about in the game I wouldn't like to see the game cut down in this regard and simplified.

Super Mario Sunshine : Gelato Beach Ep. 3 - Wiggler Ahoy! Full Steam Ahead! - YouTube

Omnimon · 08-13-2011, 12:16 AM

i liked Sunshine but I dont want to play it again. I played it 2 times on the GC and know all the locations to everything still.

InfinityLink · 08-13-2011, 12:26 AM

Ugh... great. Like we really need a remake of the worst Mario game. Not that it was necessarily bad, but compared to the brilliance of 64 and Galaxy, not to mention the side-scrollers, Sunshine was lame. I really don't want this. It would further solidify the view of the 3DS as only having remakes, and we would get a lame game. If you're gonna remake stuff, stick to the classics.

**Kinvara** · 08-13-2011, 12:36 AM

It sounds like he's just saying he would like to see those games in 3D but I seriously doubt those remakes will happen- not in this generation at least. Those games just aren't old enough yet to warrant a remake. I'm straight, by the way.

wohoo · 08-13-2011, 12:39 AM

i kinda had enough with n64 remakes. If 3DS is as good as gamecube (I think thats what lots of people claims) why cant Nintendo give it some Gamecube remakes. Especially with some games that didnt receive lots of love that it really deserve back then (eg sunshine, luigi mansion, windwaker). Atleast if they want to make a remake, games from gamecube will do fine for me, n64 remakes just doesnt really justify the performance that 3DS possessed, judging from the effort they actually put on making remakes.

MythOS · 08-13-2011, 12:42 AM

Well, we could have them using most of their effort on Gamecube remakes... or focusing on new games and N64 remakes on the wayside.

DarkK · 08-13-2011, 12:44 AM

i say YES PLEASE, or maybe they should go the LUIGI'S WAY!:
"It's NOT a REMAKE, it's a SEQUEL" *trollface*

Destry · 08-13-2011, 12:45 AM

I love mario sunshine! it's good news i hope they'll do it.

NFLcheesehead1 · 08-13-2011, 12:53 AM

Super Mario Sunshine was definitely my favorite gamecube game....

StarFox643D · 08-13-2011, 01:30 AM

Super Mario Sunshine we'll be GREAT on 3D! Hope we could see it but I hope they make a second one!

blu · 08-13-2011, 01:30 AM

Do it! Haters be darned, I liked that Mario outing in 3D. Very nostalgic just like a lot of Gamecube games are. ^_^

nasic870 · 08-13-2011, 01:51 AM

Save it for the WiiU. Start outsourcing games for HD collections.

MiSoRamen · 08-13-2011, 01:52 AM

Mario 3D Sunshine FTW!

Toadie · 08-13-2011, 01:54 AM

As long as the camera angles are fixed. I don't want 3D water splashed in my face every second. >.<

KnightRider25 · 08-13-2011, 02:26 AM

More Zelda remakes? Yes please.

Super Mario Sunshine remake? That too.

I'm a bit tired of seeing too many remakes, but I won't mind if they release the remakes if they have plenty of new games to release too.

ecksplicit · 08-13-2011, 02:44 AM

Never played it so i'm down.

Also, more Zelda remakes? YES! Give me Majora's Mask and Wind Waker please.

Megarobexe · 08-13-2011, 03:01 AM

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Never played it so i'm down.

Also, more Zelda remakes? YES! Give me Majora's Mask and Wind Waker please.

no

liolololololololololoolololl

08-13-2011, 03:04 AM

wow another remake, the 3ds itself is just 1 big remake.

Jonny Epidemic · 08-13-2011, 03:16 AM

Gah i loved everything about Super Mario Sunshine and 3D would be all too perfect for it. Make it happen Nintendo!

Quab · 08-13-2011, 04:12 AM

I like it.
Lots.
Remakes make me horny.

08-13-2011, 04:15 AM

If they released it, I would buy it. Sunshine was a great, underrated game.

With that said, I don't NEED it to be remade. I would rather they put their resources toward a new game and I'll play it on Gamecube again whenever I feel the need.

Azure-Edge · 08-13-2011, 04:17 AM

A few remakes spaced out is just fine, but they need to tone it down a bit.

Wix · 08-13-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkK View Post

i say YES PLEASE, or maybe they should go the LUIGI'S WAY!:
"It's NOT a REMAKE, it's a SEQUEL" *trollface*

You think Luigi's Mansion 2 is a remake?

EpiclyEpic · 08-13-2011, 11:31 AM

While I'd rather have a sequel, I would be very tempted to buy a remake.

DoubleA2 · 08-13-2011, 11:51 AM

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You think Luigi's Mansion 2 is a remake?

No, im pretty sure he dosen't. He's just saying that instead of making a Super Mario Sunshine remake, they can make a sequel for it. He was using Luigi's Mansion as an example. They didn't make a remake of it but they did make a sequel.

Wix · 08-13-2011, 12:12 PM

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No, im pretty sure he dosen't. He's just saying that instead of making a Super Mario Sunshine remake, they can make a sequel for it. He was using Luigi's Mansion as an example. They didn't make a remake of it but they did make a sequel.

Oh. Well, I agree. Enough remakes already.

Dizzard · 08-13-2011, 12:20 PM

I'm not really interested in this remake, I liked Super Mario Sunshine....but it feels like a remake too far.

Just give me Majora's Mask now and I'll be more than happy.

08-13-2011, 12:35 PM

It seems the 3DS is going to be THE console for retro gamers. I do love some older games, but I think Nintendo should be thinking about new games. I didn't buy this thing to just be palmed off with games that existed on other platforms. Is that what the 3DS is all about, Nintendo? Well, is it?

Jasper · 08-13-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyCorleone View Post

It seems the 3DS is going to be THE console for retro gamers. I do love some older games, but I think Nintendo should be thinking about new games. I didn't buy this thing to just be palmed off with games that existed on other platforms. Is that what the 3DS is all about, Nintendo? Well, is it?

*Forgiverness, prease!*

Cozmo3.5D · 08-13-2011, 12:58 PM

Cool, I want super Mario sunshine in 3D

captain pit · 08-13-2011, 01:40 PM

Super Mario Sunshine? I would love to see that on the 3DS..!

Shiransui · 08-13-2011, 01:49 PM

wow really is Nintendo beening really stupid and do more remake. Come on now they need to stop and bring new game in the 3DS.

callmeJackz · 08-13-2011, 02:09 PM

I knew this would happen. Once they saw how happy we got over either OoT or Star Fox, they immediately cancelled out any thoughts of actually moving forward and saw the $$$ in charging people retail prices for nostalgia. Tsk tsk Nintendo...you disappoint :l

banjo3dsie · 08-13-2011, 02:33 PM

Hmmm
On one hand, I want an original game and not another remake.

On the other hand, my gamecube version doesnt work and gamefly doesnt stock this game anymore.

paulotakuya · 08-13-2011, 02:38 PM

Never played Sunshine... But I think Nintendo should focus a little more on new titles, not just remakes.

Krazz · 08-13-2011, 07:09 PM

I'm up for a remake, or a sequel. I don't care either way.

plastik2k11 · 08-13-2011, 07:57 PM

Fantastic game and deserves a decent remake, but I'd rather they put new titles first. So yeah, would definitely buy this, but give us something new please as a priority?

08-13-2011, 08:01 PM

Like I said in the other remakes-thread, it's now official: Nintendo is creatively bankrupt.

And I blame the fanmasses that just gobble up everything Nintendo churns out without ever being discerning or critical.

NFLcheesehead1 · 08-13-2011, 09:36 PM

^Come on...Sunshine was a fun game...

DarkK · 08-13-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buramu View Post

Like I said in the other remakes-thread, it's now official: Nintendo is creatively bankrupt.

And I blame the fanmasses that just gobble up everything Nintendo churns out without ever being discerning or critical.

weren't you super ultra excited for OoT 3D before it came out?

08-13-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLcheesehead1 View Post

^Come on...Sunshine was a fun game...

I enjoyed the first 20 stars or so. But that's beside the point. It simply seems Nintendo can't make a good original game anymore. Think about it.. what have we seen from them lately?

A remake from a 90s game and casual dross like Nintendogs, Pilotwings and Steel Diver (not to mention shallow minigame crap like Wii Sports Resort and Mario Party 14).

This is not the Nintendo we once knew.

08-13-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buramu View Post

Like I said in the other remakes-thread, it's now official: Nintendo is creatively bankrupt.

And I blame the fanmasses that just gobble up everything Nintendo churns out without ever being discerning or critical.

Really? Just because some dude said that he would like to see Sunshine on the 3DS? Come on, Buramu- out of everything people around here know you to be, you're generally not an outright sensationalist.

The 3DS isn't the first system where Nintendo released a few remakes and each time, they went on to make a lot of original games after that. Albeit, franchise games, but this IS Nintendo we're talking about here; they do tend to work within certain confines (like much of the rest of the industry). Last I checked, there are some pretty sweet original titles that Nintendo are in the process of working on. There's no need to go running around these forums doing your best Henny Penny/Chicken Little impression:

DonFlamenco · 08-13-2011, 10:13 PM

I think its pretty obvious that nintendo wants to bolster the software lineup on the 3ds until they can release original games. They launched the system far too early so now they have to make up ground.

An easy way to infuse the system with software is through remakes. They will pump remakes into the 3ds to attract core gamers then release some new titles

Desert Punk · 08-13-2011, 10:34 PM

I think Nintendo in recent years have taken a very profiteering approach to their business which of course they have a right to do but its meant profit has come before customer satisfaction. The wii was underpowered and so is the 3DS. They compromised the hardware to make huge profits. I think Nintendo are starting to realise you can only fool people once or twice and we are on to them now. The 3DS hasn't sold like they have expected and now they are forced to drop the price. Its not going their way like before. The competition is far more competitive on price and hardware cost.

I'm hoping this will result in a Nintendo more focused on the gaming experience and not taking customers for granted. I don't believe Nintendo are creatively bankrupt. Each great zelda game has probably always been 3 years apart. I mean there were two zelda games on gamecube, windwaker and Twilight Princess. Wii had Twilight Princess at the beginning and is going to finish with Skyward Sword at the end. We could have done with another one in the middle like 2008/9 but we did get two Mario Galaxies and there is only one Mario game on gamecube. It seems to me we are pretty much at the same ratio. N64 again got two Zelda's and one main Mario game.

The way my gaming operates is really ps3/360 for a constant flow of games and then the big Nintendo franchises occasionally. The thing is Nintendo don't have a lot of third party support and the hardware is limited in what it can achieve anyway that really the only good wii stuff comes from Nintendo themselves with a few rare exceptions.

I'm happy to work with that gaming system but it does mean the wii is very underused and probably not great value for the 4-5 games I've actually spent any serious time on it with.

Not a single wii game has been a jaw dropping experience though. Some have had great playability. When you see something like Fallout 3 on the 360/PS3 its like you exist in another world. I dread to think what Fallout 3 would look like on the wii. It would probably be on rails or a minigame compilation.

DoubleA2 · 08-13-2011, 10:42 PM

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Really? Just because some dude said that he would like to see Sunshine on the 3DS? Come on, Buramu- out of everything people around here know you to be, you're generally not an outright sensationalist.

The 3DS isn't the first system where Nintendo released a few remakes and each time, they went on to make a lot of original games after that. Albeit, franchise games, but this IS Nintendo we're talking about here; they do tend to work within certain confines (like much of the rest of the industry). Last I checked, there are some pretty sweet original titles that Nintendo are in the process of working on. There's no need to go running around these forums doing your best Henny Penny/Chicken Little impression:

How can the sky be falling if it already fell?

paulotakuya · 08-13-2011, 11:15 PM

Thinking about sequels, I'd love to see a Super Mario 64 2 (not a remake as we had on Nintendo DS).

Now, about the remakes on 3DS... Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, Luigi's Mansion 2 and the new Paper Mario weren't released yet, but they're showing us that Nintendo is not only thinking about remakes.

Abcdude · 08-14-2011, 12:22 AM

Who cares about super mario sunshine 3D??

Super mario sunshine 2 ftw.

sonic the frog · 08-14-2011, 01:26 AM

sunshine was epic ... epic a portable versiom? heck yeah [posted on 3ds]

08-14-2011, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Abcdude View Post

Who cares about super mario sunshine 3D??

Super mario sunshine 2 ftw.

yea id definitely buy a sequel. I dont understand this whole remake talk unless its because they can be remade in a 1-2 months quickly.

08-14-2011, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleA2 View Post

How can the sky be falling if it already fell?

The Earth is actually a large, very durable balloon. When the sky hit it the first time, it rebounded back up. In fact, the sky has actually fallen numerous times in our global history. This isn't one of those times, however, no matter what Buramu would have you believe.

For the record, I'm a teacher. I know this to be true.

sonic the frog · 08-14-2011, 03:26 AM

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yea id definitely buy a sequel. I dont understand this whole remake talk unless its because they can be remade in a 1-2 months quickly.

yeah and be horrible to

wohoo · 08-14-2011, 03:55 AM

they should have made this remake in the first place instead of that horrible steeldiver and pilotwings for 3DS launch (not that they are bad by any means, but you can consider horrible by nintendo's standard). The ds has no games for several months as well, but it launch with mario 64 ds, which is a must-have portable game. Launching with mario sunshine could have been a very good move, but Nintendo just being too arrogant after the success of ds/wii. I do hope they can pull out new AAA titles off their sleeve or atleast remake games that is worth remaking (and put their hearts in remaking them).

Mensrea · 08-14-2011, 06:22 AM

I don't think nintendo is creatively bankrupt at all. The zelda games are all spread apart and have fresh ideas, not to mention they rock. The mario games are always awesome for pure unfiltered fun. How can you say that they are creatively bankrupt after playing super mario freaking galaxy 2??! That game screams creativity from the top of the mountaintop. Just because they don't release new ip's doesn't mean there old ones aren't still creative. Back on topic, super mario sunshine should not be remade because frankly super mario 3d land looks better. I think remakes have there place though, I am 15 and I never played any of the nintendo 64 games, so playing classicgames like oot and starfox 64 3d is great for me. Plus remakes are easy so they can plug software droughts. The 3ds will have a lot of original content, and nintendo never said "We're making sunshine 3d". It was just that guy saying that he would like to see that. How many times have you heard a nintendo rep say " I would like to see..." How many times have those things actually happened. Everyone needs to stop there whining about nintendo's "Creative bankruptcy".

JordanN · 08-14-2011, 07:12 AM

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Not convinced the 3DS could pull off a full gamecube conversion like that. Luigi's Mansion I can understand as it never pushed the gamecube but Mario Sunshine is quite an impressive game technically. So far Nintendo have concentrated on N64 conversions and just enhanced the graphics. I would love to see it though but only if they can fully convert it without horrible compromises. There are a lot of creatures wandering about in the game I wouldn't like to see the game cut down in this regard and simplified.

Super Mario Sunshine : Gelato Beach Ep. 3 - Wiggler Ahoy! Full Steam Ahead! - YouTube

Provided a remake wasn't in 3D (which uses up a lot of horsepower) they could almost attain a 1:1 conversion (3DS can push the same amount of polys as the Cube could. Most changes would most likely be CPU based since the 3DS is slower in that aspect).

Any compromises however would be greatly made up by the 3DS superior texturing abilities (it's got 5x the RAM!) and advanced shader support. The game would look waaaaay better than the original.

Auzzie Wingman · 08-14-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Order View Post

Seriously, all these damn remakes are pissing me off.

I expected this post the minute I rode in on my pony.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind it myself. All I have of SMS is a 10 minute bad memory. That effing Manta Ray, I tell ya!

Desert Punk · 08-14-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JordanN View Post

Provided a remake wasn't in 3D (which uses up a lot of horsepower) they could almost attain a 1:1 conversion (3DS can push the same amount of polys as the Cube could. Most changes would most likely be CPU based since the 3DS is slower in that aspect).

Any compromises however would be greatly made up by the 3DS superior texturing abilities (it's got 5x the RAM!) and advanced shader support. The game would look waaaaay better than the original.

Graphically the 3DS is better than gamecube when you take in the low resolution of the 3DS but cpu wise its just below dreamcast. Its always very hard to judge how much cpu power games need. I do remember reading that Wind Waker made full use of the gamecube hardware and its not a game I could see being achieved on dreamcast or ps2. Mario Sunshine is more difficult to judge.

Many 3DS games have quite bad slowdown running in 3D and even without 3D in the case of Resident Evil Mercenaries. Its clear there is a bit of mismatch in the 3DS design between the excellent gpu but poor cpu. Mercenaries while visually attractive is pretty limited in what you can do and how the enemies attack. In fact its a very limited game generally.

The dreamcast got a lot of N64 ports that were cleaned up visually and infact looked fantastic but the underlying engine was only slightly improved and I think that is fair analysis of the 3DS. We should expect the same.

I remember reading about Call of Duty Finest Hour that the game was very easy to get running on both original xbox and gamecube but the developers took sometime to get it working on ps2 due to the limited power of the emotion engine. The same was true of wolfenstein where the engine was up and running on the original xbox in a couple of weeks but took about 9 months to get running on ps2.

From what I understand the 3DS dedicates one of its arm 11 cores to games and the other is the background processor in the same configuration as the earlier DS and DSi models. The leak backalong stated that both cores are running at 266mhz and each core is capable of about 300 dmips. Dreamcast is 360 and PS2 about 450 dmips. Its been suggested that the background task arm11 is actually at 133mhz not 266mhz but whatever there is definitely a 300 dmips cpu available for running games. Gamecube was 1100 dmips (absolutely fantastic power for the time) but still drawfed by the original Xbox's 2000 plus dmips. Wii is about 1800 dmips which might include the small arm processor it has for running its operating system.

So I would say the 3DS can comfortably do N64 games much enhanced with great frame rates, do dreamcast games near enough at the same level, do ps2 games perhaps slightly simplified in cpu terms and do gamecube games that really never made full use of the cpu like Luigi's Mansion.

Graphically though the 3DS has no real limitations considering its low resolution it should be able to do any game that has little demand for cpu power. Classic arcade games and retro shooters etc.

However open world sandbox games and fps games always take a huge amount of cpu power as they have to calculate a huge number of objects, characters, AI, events, physics etc that is going on in the gameworld.

I'm not positive about the amount of cpu power in the 3DS I think its very limiting with even basic 2 player fighting games having slowdown. The annoying thing is everything else in the 3DS is upto the job of being a great little portable system.

I hope I'm proved wrong though by future games but sadly not expecting to be.

sonic the frog · 08-14-2011, 12:34 PM

i'm going to say something crazy ~ make it an eshop title

08-14-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Desert Punk View Post

Graphically the 3DS is better than gamecube when you take in the low resolution of the 3DS but cpu wise its just below dreamcast. Its always very hard to judge how much cpu power games need. I do remember reading that Wind Waker made full use of the gamecube hardware and its not a game I could see being achieved on dreamcast or ps2. Mario Sunshine is more difficult to judge.

<snipped> I hope I'm proved wrong though by future games but sadly not expecting to be.

Thanks, that was an excellent explanation and it clears up a lot of confusion. So basically, to sum it up: we'll have to look elsewhere for expansive console-style games?

Desert Punk · 08-14-2011, 02:23 PM

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Thanks, that was an excellent explanation and it clears up a lot of confusion. So basically, to sum it up: we'll have to look elsewhere for expansive console-style games?

I would say so. Its disappointing that the 3DS doesn't have a 512mhz arm11 processor instead of 266mhz I think that would have made all the difference.

Maybe later games will be able to steal a bit of the 2nd processor's power to run better. I don't think this was ever achieved with the DS or DSi but it may be possible. I wouldn't bank on it though.

JordanN · 08-14-2011, 05:27 PM

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The dreamcast got a lot of N64 ports that were cleaned up visually and infact looked fantastic but the underlying engine was only slightly improved and I think that is fair analysis of the 3DS. We should expect the same.

That's really pushing it considering the era that system was out.

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From what I understand the 3DS dedicates one of its arm 11 cores to games and the other is the background processor in the same configuration as the earlier DS and DSi models. The leak backalong stated that both cores are running at 266mhz and each core is capable of about 300 dmips. Dreamcast is 360 and PS2 about 450 dmips. Its been suggested that the background task arm11 is actually at 133mhz not 266mhz but whatever there is definitely a 300 dmips cpu available for running games.

1 core = 332 dmips. I'm not sure where you heard 133mhz for the second CPU. It remains both are clocked the same.

Also, it was hinted by a pokemon dev that the second CPU could now be used for games. So technically 332 x 2 dmips?

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The 3DS has two CPUs -- one devoted to the game, another devoted to network communication -- and until the June update, I'd say that the communication chip was sort of a work in progress. The update completed the package, so to speak, and now we can get full performance out of that CPU. The fact that these two CPUs work independently of each other is really important -- one can work all by itself without being bogged down by the other. I think taking full advantage of that is one of the keys to 3DS game development.

Pokemon Head Discusses the Pains of 3DS Development

Cyberfire · 08-14-2011, 07:29 PM

I love Sunshine, I wouldn't mind buying it all over again XD

ManInBlack290 · 08-14-2011, 08:05 PM

I regret buying Ocarina of Time now. That game wasn't worth telling Nintendo they can be cheap and re-release every game ever made. I'm ashamed I supported this...

Buramu, you're almost right, but I think the truth is worse than "Nintendo being creatively bankrupt." I think Nintendo cares more about money now than being creative.

re3dhunk · 08-14-2011, 08:13 PM

I wouldn't mind if they did this late 2012, but right now they need to focus on new games people want.

Desert Punk · 08-14-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JordanN View Post

That's really pushing it considering the era that system was out.

1 core = 332 dmips. I'm not sure where you heard 133mhz for the second CPU. It remains both are clocked the same.

Also, it was hinted by a pokemon dev that the second CPU could now be used for games. So technically 332 x 2 dmips?

Pokemon Head Discusses the Pains of 3DS Development

Thanks for the link interesting reading. The 2nd cpu in both the DS and DSi range was never utilised for games it was always used for the underlying operating system and networking. The 3DS networking demands will be greater and it does much more in the background so I don't think there is anyway the 3DS can have both cpu's dedicated to games but perhaps a fraction could be used? What that fraction is we don't know but I guess it requires the main operating system and networking code to be optimised to use less cpu cycles to create spare capacity.

I can't imagine it would be at best anymore than half though more likely a fraction of that. If it started off with 266mhz dedicated to the operating system and networking they must have thought that was realistic but now they are thinking its a bit underpowered and they want to claw back some of that performance if possible for actual games.

I think it might be difficult to achieve but gives hope for some extra performance from the console later on. I'm wondering if later games make use of a updated firmware that is more efficient what if the user can't update the firmware? Doesn't have access to wireless internet. Maybe the cartridge would include the update?

Out of interest do you have a link to the 332 dmips figure? Curious to see how that exact figure was worked out. Last time I looked it was 1.18 dmips I think per mhz for the Arm 11 core that was compatible with the earlier arm cores. However to remain fully compatible with earlier arm chips it was possible some features could be omitted so I just called it 300 (from 314) dmips allowing for any slight reduction in features that might be necessary to keep compatibility with the DS processor of 66mhz and the Mali GPU. Not totally scientific but 332 dmips is actually above Arm's claimed performance for this chip.

http://www.arm.com/products/processo...11/arm1136.php

JordanN · 08-14-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Desert Punk

Out of interest do you have a link to the 332 dmips figure? Curious to see how that exact figure was worked out.

http://www.arm.com/products/processo...Specifications

A single ARM11 core has 1.25 dmips for every mhz.

3DS is 268mhz so 268 x 1.25 = 335 dmips x 2 (since there's two of them).

DarkShade · 08-14-2011, 08:58 PM

Well,it'll take a while for another game made from scratch for Mario to come back. So yeah,that would be nice, but the galaxy games should stick to the Wii

Kiryu · 08-14-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ManInBlack290 View Post

I regret buying Ocarina of Time now. That game wasn't worth telling Nintendo they can be cheap and re-release every game ever made. I'm ashamed I supported this...

Buramu, you're almost right, but I think the truth is worse than "Nintendo being creatively bankrupt." I think Nintendo cares more about money now than being creative.

Think again.

(What Nintendo cares most is Loyal Nintendo fans, and third party support)

ManInBlack290 · 08-14-2011, 09:50 PM

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Think again.

(What Nintendo cares most is Loyal Nintendo fans, and third party support)

Hahaha oh that is a good one. That's really funny, I thought this was a serious thread. Wooh, I'm gonna be laughing for days on that.

(It's more like: what Nintendo needs to make money is loyal fans and third party support. Two things they screwed over with the last gen (wii) console.)

08-14-2011, 10:12 PM

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Think again.

(What Nintendo cares most is Loyal Nintendo fans, and third party support)

Reggie, is that you? Such a kidder you are. XD

J. Severe · 08-14-2011, 10:21 PM

Nintendo wants to see Super Mario Sunshine in 3D? Well, considering that it's Nintendo who's actually in charge of making games, then they should have no problem doing it. :/

08-14-2011, 10:23 PM

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Reggie, is that you? Such a kidder you are. XD

Reggie rocks!

(was meant to be a punny pun.)

Anyways, did they even annonced that they were making a 3d Super Mario Sunshine? Just wondering..

JordanN · 08-14-2011, 10:26 PM

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Reggie rocks!

Anyways, did they even annonced that they were making a 3d Super Mario Sunshine? Just wondering..

No. The director only stated his interest in a remake.

Desert Punk · 08-14-2011, 11:14 PM

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ARM11MPCore Processor - ARM

A single ARM11 core has 1.25 dmips for every mhz.

3DS is 268mhz so 268 x 1.25 = 335 dmips x 2 (since there's two of them).

That explains it your linking to the wrong Arm11 core. Its the 1136 core that is compatible with earlier arm processors like those used in the DS and DSi. Its not as fast but would enable DS and DSi games to run as well.

ARM1136 Processor - ARM

Look at the performance tab. It only has 1.18 dmips per mhz. There is some other reference on the Arm site about customisation to increase compatibility with earlier generations. Basically Arm are very flexible at redesigning these chips. Generally when they customise a chip for compatibility some performance will be lost. I believe this is done normally to allow external compatibility. I.e. they might slow down a memory bus so it remains compatible with an earlier chip in this case the Mali GPU which is still in the 3DS but only for the DS compatibility mode.

Its possible the Arm 11 used for the operating system and networking is a different Arm 11 because it might not need to be compatible with the earlier DS consoles. However this isn't the one used for games so probably wouldn't benefit.

Also thinking about it if the 3DS starts using the 2nd Arm 11 meant for the operating system and networking for games this might cause problems for future Nintendo models with regard being backward compatible as later consoles would have to be compatible with both the 3DS main arm 11 cpu and its second arm 11 cpu. Not something that had to be done previously as it only had to be compatible with the main game running primary cpu.

What would be easy for the 3DS is for the operating system to make use of the primary Arm 11. As the operating system always has to be present as soon as you turn on the 3DS it will use it but when you think about it until the console launches an actual game the main game cpu could be used to enhance the operating system. It wouldn't surprise me if this is already happening and the operating system uses both cores.

When you think about it while the psp has less memory and a much inferior GPU it does have 2 mips cpus both capable of about 1.1-1.2 dmips per mhz, a dedicated arm chip for networking and no background operating system which gives it a huge cpu advantage over the 3DS for running games especially if you use the maximum mhz of 333mhz. You've got a maximum performance of 750 dmips which only a few games use.. That said the main cpu has to assist the gpu I believe as its pretty basic. The second cpu is really optimised for uncompressing and unencrypting. There is a lot more cpu power in the psp than the 3DS. Annoying that Nintendo couldn't have used a faster processor and perhaps fitted a slightly better battery to compensate for increased battery consumption. I just don't think the following games will be possible on the 3DS because of this. Hope to be wrong though.

Classic Game Room HD - GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY STORIES for PSP review - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4WGD8kClY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3ZceiXr6I

08-15-2011, 08:00 AM

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There is a lot more cpu power in the psp than the 3DS. Annoying that Nintendo couldn't have used a faster processor and perhaps fitted a slightly better battery to compensate for increased battery consumption.

Yes... that seems to be right on the money. That's probably why the games on the 3DS don't seem to be surpassing the PSP by a significant margin, in spite of the 3DS being 6 year newer and supposedly next gen.

I'm really angry at Nintendo for skimping on the hardware again but still having the cohones to ask 250 Euros for the 3DS (suggesting I was buying something advanced and next generation).

Desert Punk · 08-15-2011, 07:42 PM

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Yes... that seems to be right on the money. That's probably why the games on the 3DS don't seem to be surpassing the PSP by a significant margin, in spite of the 3DS being 6 year newer and supposedly next gen.

I'm really angry at Nintendo for skimping on the hardware again but still having the cohones to ask 250 Euros for the 3DS (suggesting I was buying something advanced and next generation).

In fairness that 750 dmips is with both processors at 333mhz (default is 222mhz) and both being used which probably isn't that common. I think the grand theft auto games use the full 333mhz and make good use f the 2nd cpu. I think to achieve what they did though they had to scale back the graphics slightly. They look a bit ropey compared to some other psp games. However they did achieve a pretty impressive game world on a handheld that fits in your pocket (err. biggish pockets I guess). Quite an achievement.

Lets not be unfair though every 3DS has 96 megabytes of memory dedicated to the game side and it has 4meg of dedicated video memory with a good gpu. It could for example have a new 3D zelda game based on the ocarina engine but massively increased in size and enhanced. There is still massive potential in the console just sadly not as much as could have been if Nintendo hadn't gone soo cheap on the hardware.

MKUltra · 08-15-2011, 10:51 PM

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No. The director only stated his interest in a remake.

Nope he said he would personally like to see it (and some other games) in 3D, nowhere in the interview did he hint at a remake, everyone just seems to think so...

Snail · 09-18-2011, 07:39 PM

Anyone else want to see this besides me? I loved this game it was my favorite thing on gamecube! I think it deserves a remake.

09-18-2011, 07:44 PM

http://3dsforums.com/nintendo-3ds-ga...ine-3ds-12637/
you forgot the S at the end of the thread title.

Snail · 09-18-2011, 07:53 PM

So it appears i did....my bad

Tipzil · 09-18-2011, 09:27 PM

i totally want this game, but a sequel

i recently just clocked it (yesturday :b)
i reckon its probably the hardest 3D mario game.

Radiant · 09-18-2011, 09:36 PM

Nah. Super Mario Sunshine is my favorite 3D Mario platformer, but if it is to be revived, I'd much rather see it on the Wii U. And not as a remake, but as a full-blown sequel.

But since we've got Super Mario 3D Land already guaranteed, I wouldn't flip out about it like I would if MM3D got confirmed.

Still, I would much rather see it on the Wii U. Imagine how beautiful it would be on there? 3D is worthless and will never compare to HD for me. Not that graphics are really important or anything, I just think that if they were to bring back Sunshine (which is unlikely to begin with), it should be revived in HD and not 3D. Because it's a game that could really show off Mario in HD. Otherwise, lets stick to original Mario's.

Snail · 09-18-2011, 09:53 PM

Ya i see what your saying a sequel would be awesome and in hd....hmmmm

TheRage500 · 09-18-2011, 10:04 PM

This is probably what it would look like if they remake it : Super Mario Sunshine Hi Res Texture Pack V.4 - YouTube

Snail · 09-18-2011, 10:28 PM

Looks pretty epic...

Radiant · 09-18-2011, 10:29 PM

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This is probably what it would look like if they remake it : Super Mario Sunshine Hi Res Texture Pack V.4 - YouTube

That doesn't look very good, IMO.

And if it were remade (ported) to the 3DS it would look exactly like it did on the GCN, just everything taken down a notch and much more jaggedy. Take a look at SM64 on the DS. It would get that kind of treatment. Super Mario Sunshine is much more 'modern' looking than Super Mario 64 was, so they wouldn't even have to change the models.

It would just be Super Mario Sunshine with worse textures in some places and a lower resolution.

Snail · 09-19-2011, 12:00 PM

It looks good if you compare the graphics to each other but graphics dont really matter anyway

Sterculius · 09-19-2011, 12:09 PM

It doesn't look better, it just looks different.

Snail · 09-20-2011, 12:28 AM

Sometimes different can be better.....

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