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Old 09-15-2011, 11:52 AM
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I dont mind paying for that piece of plastic as extra addition like cases etc, or screen protectors.

I do mind buying a piece of plastic with new control options that impact gameplay solutions, and are even made in order to enhance gameplay solutions that should already have been adopted as a standard to start with.

The memory card scam i'm indeed not happy about, but it wouldn't compare it towards new control inputs, total different things.
Indeed they are different things, but the difference is after Nintendo made the mistake of not putting two analog pads and two extra shoulder buttons on the 3DS, the only way they had of fixing it was an accessory. Sony on the other hand had the choice to allow its users to use SD cards and make them save a buttload of money. Personally I mind, I really do mind paying for memory cards that are this expensive and that I can only use on the Vita. What's great about SD cards is pretty much everyone has them since they work with everything. If I buy a 32GB SD card, I'm not doing it just for my console, I'm doing it for my camera, my phone, my mp3 player, and back-up storage for my computer. Having to pay a lot more for something that will only be used with the Vita is not a mistake on Sony's part, it's something that they went out of their way to do. It's very much their intention to make you pay a lot more for this inconvenience.
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better not start saying it's alright for Sony to charge 22,000 yen for a simple 4GB Memory card you can only use on the Vita
Got an extra zero in there, bud.
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Indeed they are different things, but the difference is after Nintendo made the mistake of not putting two analog pads and two extra shoulder buttons on the 3DS, the only way they had of fixing it was an accessory. Sony on the other hand had the choice to allow its users to use SD cards and make them save a buttload of money. Personally I mind, I really do mind paying for memory cards that are this expensive and that I can only use on the Vita. What's great about SD cards is pretty much everyone has them since they work with everything. If I buy a 32GB SD card, I'm not doing it just for my console, I'm doing it for my camera, my phone, my mp3 player, and back-up storage for my computer. Having to pay a lot more for something that will only be used with the Vita is not a mistake on Sony's part, it's something that they went out of their way to do. It's very much their intention to make you pay a lot more for this inconvenience.
The major issue with SD cards is that there are a ton of them with different speeds.

The 3DS for example isn't able to run entire games from a memory card, or able to download entire 3DS games. So that issue for them is non existent specially when the file sizes of photo's video's whatever else like save data are tiny through low resolution screen and camera pixels.

On the other hand the Vita needs to be able to run entire Vita games ( which mean 4gb files + even bigger files for in the future ) without generating a problem for later games with more data to hold up loading times.

For example, resistance demo had no loading screen at all the entire demo. This could easily be a thing that sony wanted to reach and wanted to keep.

If some dude pushes inside his SD card slot a 2mb read/write SD card, while a game needs for streaming a 10mb or even 20mb card they will get problems in games. Which means developers will need to hit the 2mb mark which limits them dramatically.

With the standard SD cards on top of it, they will have a huge risk when people download games to access there game data directly through having no protection at all, which get fixed with those memory cards on top of it.

Besides this, sony always pushed there own medium basically, and this is just a natural thing for them to do.

That the cards are expensive can mean multiple things. Without exact specifications its all basically speculating.

But it can mean:

- ultra fast cards
- sony making healty amount of profit on them
- or both.

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a class 10 SDHC card in my country of 8gb costs on a cheap shop: 27,50 euro.
it has a write and read speed of 45mb

Sony's memory card 8gb costs 3200 yen, which translates in these days currency with my country towards 30 euro's.

In comparison they ask 3 euro more for the card with the cheapest shop in my country.

A slow memory SDHC card costs for 8gb costs between 10 and 30 euro's ( depend on shop ) but lets say 10 euro. which is indeed 3x cheaper. but the write and read speed is 4mb instead of 45. which basically means 10 times slower.

If you pick up other cards of high speed:

Sony prices:
4GB - 20 euro
8GB - 30 euro
16GB - 50 euro
32GB - 90 euro

Cheapest high speed (sandisk) cards cost here (45mb write/read) class 10:

4GB = no idea
8GB = 27 euro
16GB = 49 euro
32GB = 99 euro

If sony uses those high speed cards, the prices are simple more then decent.

If sony uses slow media, its utterly overpriced.

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Indeed they are different things, but the difference is after Nintendo made the mistake of not putting two analog pads and two extra shoulder buttons on the 3DS, the only way they had of fixing it was an accessory.
well at least nintendo did something that the fans wanted people who bought the early psp wanted a dual analog for better gameplay but they didn't do anything about it instead sony just made a new psp with dual analog.
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well at least nintendo did something that the fans wanted people who bought the early psp wanted a dual analog for better gameplay but they didn't do anything about it instead sony just made a new psp with dual analog.
Uhhh...the Vita isn't a new PSP. It's the next generation handheld. The PSP came out 6 years ago. The Vita has different games, is almost as powerful as a PS3, has a multi-touch screen, a back multi-touch panel, and a bunch of other features that aren't on the PSP.
That's like saying that the 3DS is just a DS with an analog.
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Uhhh...the Vita isn't a new PSP. It's the next generation handheld. The PSP came out 6 years ago. The Vita has different games, is almost as powerful as a PS3, has a multi-touch screen, a back multi-touch panel, and a bunch of other features that aren't on the PSP.
That's like saying that the 3DS is just a DS with an analog.
Well I don't think he was saying it's the same, just that the psp didn't have a second control stick.
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Well I don't think he was saying it's the same, just that the psp didn't have a second control stick.
Yeah. But the way he said it, made it sound like "at least Nintendo isn't making a whole new console just for dual analog". Sony IS doing what people want. They're putting dual analog on their next console. The DS had no analog at all.
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Damn, Uncharted has vastly improved since the NGP was first announced. Also that Pikmin from Hell game sounds interesting.
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Wow, that pikmin thing looks pretty...interesting.
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Battery life is almost the same as the 3DS!
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Battery life is almost the same as the 3DS!
It's also at the least four times more powerful than the 3DS. It's safe to say that they didn't cheap out on the battery like Nintendo did. I'll take a stab in the dark & say that the psv battery will be rated at least 3000 mAh where as the stock 3DS battery is only 1300mAh.

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It's also at the least four times more powerful than the 3DS. It's safe to say that they didn't cheap out on the battery like Nintendo did. I'll take a stab in the dark & say that the psv battery will be rated at least 3000 mAh where as the stock 3DS battery is only 1300mAh.

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2200mAh IIRC
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It's also at the least four times more powerful than the 3DS. It's safe to say that they didn't cheap out on the battery like Nintendo did. I'll take a stab in the dark & say that the psv battery will be rated at least 3000 mAh where as the stock 3DS battery is only 1300mAh.

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TGS: Vita Will Have External Battery Option - PSP News at IGN

This will come in handy since I can't really replace the battery.

http://andriasang.com/comy7y/
http://andriasang.com/comy7w/

Also nice news.
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Uncharted Golden Abyss ( Dev walkthrough + commentray "new footage at the end" 9 minuts)



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Looks like Sony actually thought these things out before hand.
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TGS: Vita Will Have External Battery Option - PSP News at IGN

This will come in handy since I can't really replace the battery.

http://andriasang.com/comy7y/
http://andriasang.com/comy7w/

Also nice news.
you cant link andriasang pages, the site is messed up.

But even if they wouldn't, you can always buy from deal extreme those recharge accu packs and connect it towards your vita like you do towards your outlet.
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Eh. I would have still rather pay 50 bucks extra for a good battery.
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Eh. I would have still rather pay 50 bucks extra for a good battery.
Wish granted, this thing will be sold seperate next towards the vita, its a 5000mah battery. This + vita battery gives the device 9-15 hours of game play. It will be needed to connect through a cable.

basically a extra external battery for long long traveling or whatever else.















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Sharp video from gravity daze + endboss ( 8 minutes walkthrough ) offscreen.

Looks really good.

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DAT CHARACTER ART. So awesome. Also, we already basically knew this but its still nice to have confirmation:

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Oh baby.

You're missing the best concept art, though.

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There was one picture floating around the internet with a bunch of different colors the Vita comes in. Will these all be released at launch, will we have to wait, or will we never get them? I'm going to get a vita at some point in it's lifespan(not at launch), so I don't mind waiting, but if they're never coming, then I don't want to wait indefinitely.
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There was one picture floating around the internet with a bunch of different colors the Vita comes in. Will these all be released at launch, will we have to wait, or will we never get them? I'm going to get a vita at some point in it's lifespan(not at launch), so I don't mind waiting, but if they're never coming, then I don't want to wait indefinitely.
It was a real picture and all but Sony apparently likes bringing different colored versions of their systems to the show. We probably won't see colors like that unless there's some sort of special edition promotion with some big game.
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I have a question:
How does the 3G version work?
I mean, I heard its linked to AT&T, but I do not live in the US, so I'm not sure if I'd actually be able to use the 3G. Also, about how much would they charge you monthly?
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How does the 3G version work?
I mean, I heard its linked to AT&T, but I do not live in the US, so I'm not sure if I'd actually be able to use the 3G. Also, about how much would they charge you monthly?
I'm sure Sony will work out something with Carlos Slim's companies. Most likely Telcel since they have the 3G plans for the iPad.
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It was a real picture and all but Sony apparently likes bringing different colored versions of their systems to the show. We probably won't see colors like that unless there's some sort of special edition promotion with some big game.
Oh that's a shame. I was in love with the orange and the blue ones. At least I won't have to decide now
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I'm sure Sony will work out something with Carlos Slim's companies. Most likely Telcel since they have the 3G plans for the iPad.
I was imagining something like that. Guess I'll first wait and see what's the deal here before choosing 3G or wifi.
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"According to Sony's official release, there will be two plans offered in Japan: a Private Data Plan 20 Hours and a Private Data Plan 100 hours.

For ?980 (US$13), the 20 hour plan offers 20 hours of gaming. Those twenty hours must be used within a 30 day window.

For ?4,980 ($65), the 100 hour plan will offer 103 hours of gaming that must be used over the course of 180 days.

If your hours are not used during the set time period, they will become invalid.

After that set time period is up, PS Vita users have 14 days to decide if they want to continue buying more hours. When you initially sign up, you must pay ?2,100 (US$27). If you decide not to continue after this 14 day window, you must pay that ?2,100 again if you decide to buy hours in the future.

The hours are sold by credit card, and it currently seems like there will not be the option to pay cash for hours at retailers.

Many Japanese gamers seem to be reluctant to buy virtual points with their credit cards. Sony even released a smart card reader USB peripheral in Japan so individuals could add money to their PSN accounts without using their credit cards.

The plan being offered is similar to phone plans, sure, by buying blocks of hours, having to use them during a certain time period, and then needing to buy more hours could hinder the 3G model in Japan. The contract looks to be a sizable commitment.

During the press conference, Docomo said that it would offer a service that children could use safely. I have no doubt this is true. As safe as it is, is it affordable?not for just kids, but adults?

I imagine that American and European gamers will get different plans. Those plans might be better. They might be worse.

If today's press conference did anything, it convinced me that, as someone living here in Japan, there's only one way to go: WiFi."

The PS Vita's 3G Plans Could Raise Eyebrows in Japan

Once again, I say this 3G model is going to be a failure. Not only does your model cost $50 more, but then you have to pay those ridiculous prices. I have no idea who would want to buy a 3G model.
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He's in Mexico and all that stuff only applies to Japan.
Sure, but that should still give an idea of how it's going to work in other countries. Everything we learn from the TGS only applies to Japan, but it's still useful information to extrapolate on what things are gonna be like everywhere else.
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"According to Sony's official release, there will be two plans offered in Japan: a Private Data Plan 20 Hours and a Private Data Plan 100 hours.

For ?980 (US$13), the 20 hour plan offers 20 hours of gaming. Those twenty hours must be used within a 30 day window.

For ?4,980 ($65), the 100 hour plan will offer 103 hours of gaming that must be used over the course of 180 days.

If your hours are not used during the set time period, they will become invalid.

After that set time period is up, PS Vita users have 14 days to decide if they want to continue buying more hours. When you initially sign up, you must pay ?2,100 (US$27). If you decide not to continue after this 14 day window, you must pay that ?2,100 again if you decide to buy hours in the future.

The hours are sold by credit card, and it currently seems like there will not be the option to pay cash for hours at retailers.

Many Japanese gamers seem to be reluctant to buy virtual points with their credit cards. Sony even released a smart card reader USB peripheral in Japan so individuals could add money to their PSN accounts without using their credit cards.

The plan being offered is similar to phone plans, sure, by buying blocks of hours, having to use them during a certain time period, and then needing to buy more hours could hinder the 3G model in Japan. The contract looks to be a sizable commitment.

During the press conference, Docomo said that it would offer a service that children could use safely. I have no doubt this is true. As safe as it is, is it affordable?not for just kids, but adults?

I imagine that American and European gamers will get different plans. Those plans might be better. They might be worse.

If today's press conference did anything, it convinced me that, as someone living here in Japan, there's only one way to go: WiFi."

The PS Vita's 3G Plans Could Raise Eyebrows in Japan

Once again, I say this 3G model is going to be a failure. Not only does your model cost $50 more, but then you have to pay those ridiculous prices. I have no idea who would want to buy a 3G model.
Seems to be normal to me.

3G is a premium model for people that are interested in 3G. i personally would be interested in it. and if i buy a vita i would go for the 3G.

Here in my country, we pay about 10 euro's for 1gb data plan with unlimited time connection until the 1gb expires.

20 hours is probably a way better offer, through actually being able to use the connecting no matter what you do for 20 hours instead of being limited by a certain amount of data traffic. 30kb a sec usage a sec through 3G is something you could aspect on gaming, which adds up incredible fast.

the 20 euro cut off costs and start cost is normal tho, as they need to cut down your connection and reopen it which cost additional money at such a company that arranges it. Normally with a mobile you just get connected and its in your contract for 1-2 years that you keep on paying for it. which calculates the cost.

If i would buy a vita i would probably buy a 3G model. I rather have the option for later on then not at all, the 20 euro connecting costs are of a no issue here. I could just leave it for death for a year and then suddently start to use it for a year.

But i probably will buy a 3g model + 10 euro data plan for each month. And if it doesn't interest me, or i never use it i will just cut it off until it gets interesting again.
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It is really unfortunate that the PSVita has battery life that is as poor as the 3DS. The only game I would really want for the PSVita is the new BioShock game. That is one of my favorite series. However it can not justify a new console all together.
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It is really unfortunate that the PSVita has battery life that is as poor as the 3DS. The only game I would really want for the PSVita is the new BioShock game. That is one of my favorite series. However it can not justify a new console all together.
Yea, same. Bioshock, uncharted, and LBP are the only ones that give me any interest at all right now.
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He's in Mexico and all that stuff only applies to Japan.
Wait! Now that I think bout it....would that mean I have to buy the Vita here?
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It is really unfortunate that the PSVita has battery life that is as poor as the 3DS. The only game I would really want for the PSVita is the new BioShock game. That is one of my favorite series. However it can not justify a new console all together.
Bioshock will be in Vita?
FTW!!
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Seems to be normal to me.

3G is a premium model for people that are interested in 3G. i personally would be interested in it. and if i buy a vita i would go for the 3G.

Here in my country, we pay about 10 euro's for 1gb data plan with unlimited time connection until the 1gb expires.

20 hours is probably a way better offer, through actually being able to use the connecting no matter what you do for 20 hours instead of being limited by a certain amount of data traffic. 30kb a sec usage a sec through 3G is something you could aspect on gaming, which adds up incredible fast.

the 20 euro cut off costs and start cost is normal tho, as they need to cut down your connection and reopen it which cost additional money at such a company that arranges it. Normally with a mobile you just get connected and its in your contract for 1-2 years that you keep on paying for it. which calculates the cost.

If i would buy a vita i would probably buy a 3G model. I rather have the option for later on then not at all, the 20 euro connecting costs are of a no issue here. I could just leave it for death for a year and then suddently start to use it for a year.

But i probably will buy a 3g model + 10 euro data plan for each month. And if it doesn't interest me, or i never use it i will just cut it off until it gets interesting again.
I'll quote a guy who commented on the article because I agree with him:
"All of this doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't the point of getting a 3G unit the appeal of it being "always connected"? Lets say my friend wants to send me an invite to play a game, is the system going to push that notification to me, or am I already going to have to be connected to get that message? How about connecting to PSN to download a demo....is the time spent downloading that demo going to eat into my allotted time? Or are "being connected" and "online gaming" two separate things under this model?"

$13 for a ridiculous 20 hours of 3G... I pay $25/month for Unlimited 3G, text and 300 minutes of calls. 20 hours is not even one day. And you pay $50 more for the device AND $20 to start your connection (I didn't have to do this when I bought my smartphone and I'm pretty sure no one else did). To me that makes no sense.
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I'll quote a guy who commented on the article because I agree with him:
"All of this doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't the point of getting a 3G unit the appeal of it being "always connected"?

3G has limitation in many country's, my country has unlimited 3G still in some contracts but everybody is jumping towards 1gb limit upcoming contracts which makes the vita model fit really well. I dunno where he lives tho, but if he still got unlimited contract then yea its a worse way to go for sure, but his country will probably get a contract that the solution they got there.

Lets say my friend wants to send me an invite to play a game, is the system going to push that notification to me, or am I already going to have to be connected to get that message?

It probably is the skype way, you send a message towards a offline user. they will get it when they connect online. You wanna see if you got messages or what your friend is playing? go online. simple as that. Wanna chat back? just chat, doens't matter if he's online or not, he will get it as you basically send it towards him. ( this works through having login servers basically )

How about connecting to PSN to download a demo....is the time spent downloading that demo going to eat into my allotted time? Or are "being connected" and "online gaming" two separate things under this model?"

If you are online, you are online. if you use 3G your use 3G. no matter if you download a game or if you play a game online. The moment it searches connection with a server online the time starts and as soon as you leave ( no connection ) it stops. doesn't seem that hard to understand towards me.


$13 for a ridiculous 20 hours of 3G... I pay $25/month for Unlimited 3G, text and 300 minutes of calls.

Its probably based on new contracts, like i stated in my country we are moving from unlimited 10 euro contracts a month towards 10 euro contracts with only 1gb cap, because of a ton of people exploiting the unlimited rules.

If you got for 25 a month, unlimited 3G ( is unlimited actually unlimited? ) then you are still in luck, it probably is going to change soonish even for you ask your provider, if this isn't the case then sony probably will make a 3G fit for your country that works the best way. Dont forget its japan after all not any other country in the world.

13 dollar isn't a solid translation on top of it, if you life in america as everything is always beyond cheaper on your currency then a 1 on 1 conversation. with europe thats not the case as our currency is higher then that of the americans.

So i would take it for you, with a grain of salt.


20 hours is not even one day. And you pay $50 more for the device AND $20 to start your connection (I didn't have to do this when I bought my smartphone and I'm pretty sure no one else did). To me that makes no sense.

Like i stated in my other comment, your contract with your mobile carrier is based around 1-2 year solution. You always pay each month. If you would stop paying or get the option to stop paying every month and a lot of people are going to do this, they will tag a price on it much like what the vita gets. You pay for it also, only its just pushed inside the contract as a few cents rather then another number and another name they just calculate it with other costs.

Your mobile isn't the same as the vita. The vita isn't under a contract.

Unless you would prefer to pay 800 euro for the vita? like all those high end smartphones at the end actually cost. or shift out 40 euro's each month to get everything? and still hit the same 3g solution?

Exactly thats not possible. Mobiles and the vita are a entire different thing on market for 3G. And this is a perfect solution for it for japan and probably even for europe.

You say that 20 hours is short, but thats nonsense. 20 hours isn't short. 3G isn't for downloading data or tweeting and facebooking the whole day with connecting outside. The vita isn't a smart phone.

The 3G connection is clearly mend to check your information, login on the go and check your stuff and disconnect again. You probably can play over 3G as many company's are pushing it, but that will require a data plan like sony pushed out.

A simplistic game can eat up already 50mb on data transfer in 10 minutes, you can with a game be done for in 2 hours i'm sure off towards a 1gb limit.

20 hours is long, specially if you connect ( and if the vita connects and disconnects ) and only connects when you actually ask for new information.

Lets not forget that gaming is probably goign to be impossible while moving outside. Its purely checking for simplistic data that can be synced.

For example, refresh a website = connect > get information > disconnect and then you read it.
This way 20 hours will last you a long time.

I dunno what you wanna do on 3G for 20 hours in 1 day long? or in even 2 days. But if i'm at my home i will simple connect through my network, on my school/work network. on the way checking out new stuff? i will connect with the vita through 3G.

Sitting still in the sun outside and wanna see what my buddies do? i join there game and play a round and stop after it through being on 3G which is expensive if used to much.

Wanna surf the internet outside? or wanna check mail / hyves the whole day long, just use your mobile or connect the vita through your mobile.

Done deal tho.


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you can basically make it as company, that a person connects whenever he wants and for a unlimited amount of time towards servers, but then a data transfer limit will be placed on it, which kinda murders the entire gaming solution that the vita offers.

Or offer a gaming solution way, that makes you control your data and contract beyond better through giving you hours each month

I rather have the last one.

You can even add time if you want, and get enough room for it 14 days after to react on it.

I really dont see the problem here.

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http://andriasang.com/comy7r/
"Sony Boss Talks Vita Sales Targets and Competition with 3DS and Smartphones."
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SCEJ president does not look at the 3DS as a competitor."

While the 3DS is trying to compete with the Vita at this point it doesn't seem like they will be directly competing.
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Like i stated in my other comment, your contract with your mobile carrier is based around 1-2 year solution. You always pay each month. If you would stop paying or get the option to stop paying every month and a lot of people are going to do this, they will tag a price on it much like what the vita gets. You pay for it also, only its just pushed inside the contract as a few cents rather then another number and another name they just calculate it with other costs.

Your mobile isn't the same as the vita. The vita isn't under a contract.
Uh... I'm not under a contract. It's $25 a month but I can pay anytime I want. The next time I pay, the month starts with the day I added money. I can stop paying tomorrow if I want to get a new phone, contracts are huge rip-offs. I also only paid $149 for my smartphone (LG Optimus V with Virgin Mobile). I know not every company is like that, and the company that the Vita chose in the US, AT&T, is DEFINITELY not like that. It's expensive as hell and the service is terrible. It's commonly referred to as the worst cellphone carrier in the US. Docomo sounds to be as pricey, and I don't know what carrier they selected in your country -- I'm French originally in case you're from there so I know their carriers, but again, I don't see why people would want to buy the 3G model when they're exclusive to expensive cellphone carriers when you can get much better deals (at least in the US) by going to another company.

So yeah, not under a contract, and I didn't have to pay anything to get my connection started so that $20 fee is bull.

EDIT: Anyway, all of this just to say that I expect the 3G model to fail in Japan and in the U.S. at least. It's this generation's UMD movies (except I actually bought UMD movies, but I understand why they failed) for Sony in my opinion. The WiFi model is much more widely appealing and affordable, I think if Sony's president wants most people to buy the 3G version as he stated, he's in for a disappointment.

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Uh... I'm not under a contract. It's $25 a month but I can pay anytime I want. The next time I pay, the month starts with the day I added money. I can stop paying tomorrow if I want to get a new phone, contracts are huge rip-offs. I also only paid $149 for my smartphone (LG Optimus V with Virgin Mobile). I know not every company is like that, and the company that the Vita chose in the US, AT&T, is DEFINITELY not like that. It's expensive as hell and the service is terrible. It's commonly referred to as the worst cellphone carrier in the US. Docomo sounds to be as pricey, and I don't know what carrier they selected in your country -- I'm French originally in case you're from there so I know their carriers, but again, I don't see why people would want to buy the 3G model when they're exclusive to expensive cellphone carriers when you can get much better deals (at least in the US) by going to another company.

So yeah, not under a contract, and I didn't have to pay anything to get my connection started so that $20 fee is bull.

EDIT: Anyway, all of this just to say that I expect the 3G model to fail in Japan and in the U.S. at least. It's this generation's UMD movies (except I actually bought UMD movies, but I understand why they failed) for Sony in my opinion. The WiFi model is much more widely appealing and affordable, I think if Sony's president wants most people to buy the 3G version as he stated, he's in for a disappointment.
I'm glad I have a cell phone so I can just get the $250 version.
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Bioshock will be in Vita?
FTW!!
It was also announced to be a new BioShock, not a remake or the upcoming BioShock Infinite. So that is really exciting!
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It was also announced to be a new BioShock, not a remake or the upcoming BioShock Infinite. So that is really exciting!
I heard that it is going to feature the same setting as Bioshock Infinite but have a different story.
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I heard that it is going to feature the same setting as Bioshock Infinite but have a different story.
What's the setting that's in infinite?
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It's not Rapture like BioShock and BioShock II. It is a city that is in the sky.
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It's not Rapture like BioShock and BioShock II. It is a city that is in the sky.
Does it relate to 1 and 2 or is it different?
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While not real Vita news, Konami has announced that there's a Suikoden in development for the PSP (teaser - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySAlc...layer_embedded). I really hope Konami (and every major publisher) actually localizes their PSP games for PSN or ports them to the Vita. I'd love to play this game, Frontier Gate, and Terror of the Stratus.
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So anyone have a clue as to when it's going to be released?
I know SONY has not made any announcements but I would think it would be in there best interest for a holiday release or at least close to that.
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In Japan its Dec. 17th. Elsewhere it's pegged as early 2012,
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So anyone have a clue as to when it's going to be released?
I know SONY has not made any announcements but I would think it would be in there best interest for a holiday release or at least close to that.
I'm going to go with March. The PSP launched in Japan in December and was available in the US in March of the next year. Sony will be wanting to get the system out before the end of the fiscal year, but January and February are notoriously slow periods for retail in general, due to Christmas recovery. If it comes out any earlier than the first week of March, I'll be surprised.

Personally, I'm thinking it will be out during the third full week of March, maybe the last. Place your bets, gentlemen!
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Sounds reasonable to me DANZEGO.
The sooner the better, I'm thinking that SONY wants to have good software lineup ready for launch and not have the same problems NINTENDO had with the 3DS.
Launch can't come fast enough !

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Uh... I'm not under a contract. It's $25 a month but I can pay anytime I want. The next time I pay, the month starts with the day I added money. I can stop paying tomorrow if I want to get a new phone, contracts are huge rip-offs. I also only paid $149 for my smartphone (LG Optimus V with Virgin Mobile). I know not every company is like that, and the company that the Vita chose in the US, AT&T, is DEFINITELY not like that. It's expensive as hell and the service is terrible. It's commonly referred to as the worst cellphone carrier in the US. Docomo sounds to be as pricey, and I don't know what carrier they selected in your country -- I'm French originally in case you're from there so I know their carriers, but again, I don't see why people would want to buy the 3G model when they're exclusive to expensive cellphone carriers when you can get much better deals (at least in the US) by going to another company.

So yeah, not under a contract, and I didn't have to pay anything to get my connection started so that $20 fee is bull.

EDIT: Anyway, all of this just to say that I expect the 3G model to fail in Japan and in the U.S. at least. It's this generation's UMD movies (except I actually bought UMD movies, but I understand why they failed) for Sony in my opinion. The WiFi model is much more widely appealing and affordable, I think if Sony's president wants most people to buy the 3G version as he stated, he's in for a disappointment.
I dont think that its going to fail really, it think its going to sell lesser significantly. the big issue with the 3G feature is much like with the 3DS second stick, not every model will have one. And therefor the focus for it will be on a lower profile.

I agree with that, i'm from the netherlands so its a bit different here tho. I dunno how things gets dealt with in different country's. i only know the global pictures basically and i reflect my own contracts with it.

If thats the case as you mention it, its indeed for you a useless thing to go for. Unless you really wanna have it and want to pay the extra mile for it.

I rather have the company still offer it, then not at all. So its all good for me. I could see why people have issue's with it.
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I dont think that its going to fail really, it think its going to sell lesser significantly. the big issue with the 3G feature is much like with the 3DS second stick, not every model will have one. And therefor the focus for it will be on a lower profile.

I agree with that, i'm from the netherlands so its a bit different here tho. I dunno how things gets dealt with in different country's. i only know the global pictures basically and i reflect my own contracts with it.

If thats the case as you mention it, its indeed for you a useless thing to go for. Unless you really wanna have it and want to pay the extra mile for it.

I rather have the company still offer it, then not at all. So its all good for me. I could see why people have issue's with it.
But who doesn't have a cell phone at this point? Why anyone pay the extra $50 just for that?
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But who doesn't have a cell phone at this point? Why anyone pay the extra $50 just for that?
To game online obviously. the lag is already substantial if you "tetter" it over another phone you can better just call it a day entirely. And besides that, not everybody uses a phone with 3G on it or even want to carry it around

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To game online obviously. the lag is already substantial if you "tetter" it over another phone you can better just call it a day entirely. And besides that, not everybody uses a phone with 3G on it or even want to carry it around
u cant use the 3G feature to game online , i thinks its only for getting online almost anywhere :P
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u cant use the 3G feature to game online , i thinks its only for getting online almost anywhere :P
You can game online over 3G, multiple games are already going to feature it inclusive street fighter vs "input random other game". Ruin i believe that other game where i cant recall its name off, and i even believe that the golf game is going to feature it.

3G is good enough to game over, the problem only is, you cant use it for games that require a fast MS in order to actually work well like shooters or fast race games that need to have the opposite player displayed in order to not drive into invisible walls.

Simplistic games that push no significant data or turn based games are perfectly doable to game over 3G.

the only problem is, you need to have a stable connection and "tettering" (no idea what the english word for it is), simple has to much hikeups ( or whatever its called ) to be used on a solid base. As you do have to have a connecting with a server constantly that isn't going to be interrupted.

Gaming is perfectly possible over 3G, i dunno who decided to push that nonsense out. you only cant do everything with it.

3G is purely going to be for people that wanna have a connection in the device, and do not want to bother with anything. Its a premium and its going bought. It wont sell clearly as much as the wifi model. but its atleast a solid thing to start to offer.

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You can game online over 3G, multiple games are already going to feature it inclusive street fighter vs "input random other game". Ruin i believe that other game where i cant recall its name off, and i even believe that the golf game is going to feature it.

3G is good enough to game over, the problem only is, you cant use it for games that require a fast MS in order to actually work well like shooters or fast race games that need to have the opposite player displayed in order to not drive into invisible walls.

Simplistic games that push no significant data or turn based games are perfectly doable to game over 3G.

the only problem is, you need to have a stable connection and "tettering" (no idea what the english word for it is), simple has to much hikeups ( or whatever its called ) to be used on a solid base. As you do have to have a connecting with a server constantly that isn't going to be interrupted.

Gaming is perfectly possible over 3G, i dunno who decided to push that nonsense out. you only cant do everything with it.

3G is purely going to be for people that wanna have a connection in the device, and do not want to bother with anything. Its a premium and its going bought. It wont sell clearly as much as the wifi model. but its atleast a solid thing to start to offer.
The Vita will not be able to use the 3G to play games online due to latency. The 3G is for the social networking.
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Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.

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Source.

The whole point of the 3G feature being on the Vita is that it offers online gaming on the go.
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The vita will be able to play games, 3G wont be able to only be used for social networking.

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[ENGLISH SUB] Lord of Apocalypse - Tokyo Game Show 2011 trailer - YouTube



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The vita is going to be overflown with monster hunter copy's lol.
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Definitely. But it'll also be overflowing with the original. It'll happen... someday.

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Short boss fight at the end: TGS 2011: Gravity Daze Demo (PlayStation Vita) - GameSpot Video

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Im intrigued by Gravity Rush myself. We shall see how that one turns out.

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I passed on Marvel vs Capcom 3 when it came out but now I think I'll buy the ultimate version for the Vita.
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Be Careful, cause soon after, Capcom will probably announce the Supreme Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, which will come out soon after and cost $40 as well... <--sarcasm
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the more "active" music will have a rock/violin/cello slant to it, example.


everytime something else surfaces I feel excited!
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I find it funny that both the Vita and the 3DS, use the same CPU architectures [ARMv7-A&R]. While they use different GPU architectures that means the Vita will probably be able to execute some code designed to run on the 3DS, but won't be able to for code designed to run on the GPU. I could be wrong though........
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I find it funny that both the Vita and the 3DS, use the same CPU architectures [ARMv7-A&R]. While they use different GPU architectures that means the Vita will probably be able to execute some code designed to run on the 3DS, but won't be able to for code designed to run on the GPU. I could be wrong though........
I'm sure the vita can emulate the cpu of the 3ds unless they did something special with it.

the gpu is going to be a pain to emulate, its not even remotely the same lol. So therefore you could see probably 2-10 fps attempts for simplistic games if you talk about emulation :P.

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I can't wait to get my hands on one of these! So much potential! I'm getting gravity daze, either wipeout or modnation racers ( still haven't decided which one), and uncharted at launch provided there all there. They haven't released the launch games list yet for America I think. I've saved $600 for this thing over the summer. The only thing I'm bummed about is the proprietary memory cards. Sd cards would be much better.
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I can't wait to get my hands on one of these! So much potential! I'm getting gravity daze, either wipeout or modnation racers ( still haven't decided which one), and uncharted at launch provided there all there. They haven't released the launch games list yet for America I think. I've saved $600 for this thing over the summer. The only thing I'm bummed about is the proprietary memory cards. Sd cards would be much better.
Price yes, possibility's no.
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I can't wait to get my hands on one of these! So much potential! I'm getting gravity daze, either wipeout or modnation racers ( still haven't decided which one), and uncharted at launch provided there all there. They haven't released the launch games list yet for America I think. I've saved $600 for this thing over the summer. The only thing I'm bummed about is the proprietary memory cards. Sd cards would be much better.
Sony said a couple months ago that they planned to make up for the low price (on which they are loosing money) with peripherals and software, so the high prices don't surprise me much. The battery pack is probably going to be $50 or more
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Sony said a couple months ago that they planned to make up for the low price (on which they are loosing money) with peripherals and software, so the high prices don't surprise me much. The battery pack is probably going to be $50 or more
Unfortunately we're not all Chad Warden and wipe our asses with $600. I didn't realize $250/$300 was cheap.
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It's expensive, sure, but far from overpriced.
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It's expensive, sure, but far from overpriced.
Well, yea, it's not a low price. That's what I mean. It looks great, but if the other things are going to be semi-required, that's kind of tough.
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Sony said a couple months ago that they planned to make up for the low price (on which they are loosing money) with peripherals and software, so the high prices don't surprise me much. The battery pack is probably going to be $50 or more
So how much does the battery pack extend the batter?
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So how much does the battery pack extend the batter?
originally 3-5 hours.
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originally 3-5 hours.
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Sony, take my money!
Ok, time for my usual noob questions:
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2) Can you have mutiple accounts ala PS3 or just one like in PSP?
3) Power button is a button (o rly) or a slider thingy?
4) Does it have triggers (L2/R2)?
5) Launch colors?

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It won't be bulky?
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Ok, time for my usual noob questions:
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2) Can you have mutiple accounts ala PS3 or just one like in PSP?
3) Power button is a button (o rly) or a slider thingy?
4) Does it have triggers (L2/R2)?
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1) It's a brand new UI.
2) Not sure but I would assume so.
3) Its a button if I'm not mistaken.
4) Nope just L1 and R1, the touch screen will make up for it though.
5) Only black will be available at December, We'll probably get White as well in the US and Europe.
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Of course it would be. But who would use it outside.

Do you guys want to hear some more rumors about software support? It's about some Capcom games.
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Of course it would be. But who would use it outside.

Do you guys want to hear some more rumors about software support? It's about some Capcom games.
I think I read some stuff around, I believe one of those is that they are bringin legends 1+2 and MAoTB to PSN
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its a additional device next towards it. you can plug it into your vita its not getting attached towards it.

its basically a 5000mah battery pack, the vita itself has a 2200. which makes it basically 3x as normal.
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Oh, didn't hear about those. I was actually talking about the Resident Evil game that's a location based shooter (apparently it's built using the ideas of the old PSP game) and about a Lost Planet game. Both rumors are from Sam Bishop - a writer at IGN. Apparently he's reliable.
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Ok, time for my usual noob questions:
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4) Does it have triggers (L2/R2)?
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1) uses new interface
2) i believe yoshida confirmed this recently
3) button
4) it has l1/r1, sticks dont seem to be clickable ( even while it was confirmed at some point ) the backtouch can be used for l2/r2 and l3/r3 as yoshida stated for remote play with ps3 games.
5) probably black, maybe white on top of it.
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Sony, take my money!
Ok, time for my usual noob questions:
1) Is the Vita menu XMB or something new?
2) Can you have mutiple accounts ala PS3 or just one like in PSP?
3) Power button is a button (o rly) or a slider thingy?
4) Does it have triggers (L2/R2)?
5) Launch colors?

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1-sony ps vita menu PlayStation Vita Setup and User Interface Demo - YouTube
2-problably yes
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4-no but you can use the near touchscreen and i thin its has l3 and r3
5-dont know

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Thanks a lot, guys. Also, how much internal memory does it have? And does it have flash/html5 support?
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Thanks a lot, guys. Also, how much internal memory does it have? And does it have flash/html5 support?
they have confirmed that its goin to have flash support and i think its goin to have like 500 mb of interna memory
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Last i heard it has no internal memory and there is no mention of flash support yet.
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The PlayStation Vita was definitely the star of TGS 2011. Sony’s dual analog sticks, touch capabilities, impressive graphics, remote play, and 3G functionality has the attention of portable-minded gamers everywhere. I got the chance to interview Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Computer Entertainment’s worldwide studios. We chatted about lessons learned from the PSP, Nintendo’s new second 3DS circle pad, HD remakes, and more.

The PSP received many different hardware iterations, to mixed reactions of consumers. Do you think the Vita will experience a similar life cycle?

We haven’t even released the PS Vita, so we don’t have any plans for future iterations. But as with any electronics product, things get better and cheaper or components advance, so we look at what’s going to be available for us. If it makes sense we might consider updating the product. But what we always make sure of is because we are doing the platform business we have to make sure games are compatible. Any iteration of the hardware you’ll be able to play games on. You look back at PSP, we released three iterations of the PSP. These compatible systems, later versions might have gotten some additional features, but basically these are additional nice things.

What options will there be for owners of original PSP games to play them on the Vita?

Downloadable PSP games will play on the Vita. We are going through the process of testing that, so we can’t say there will be 100 percent compatibility, but we are looking at a very high compatibility percentage for downloadable versions of PSP games on PS Vita. In addition, because PS Vita has a much larger, nicer-looking screen, and the existence of dual analog sticks, we will provide from a system level that some games benefit using the right analog stick. Like FPS or third-person action-adventure games. We will provide options to remap the control from either face buttons or the action buttons to right analog stick. So the control would be much better on PS Vita.

So is there a chance that owners of the physical UMDs will have a way to play the game on the Vita?

We just announced that we are working on something like that for the Japanese market. We are still working on the details of the program, so we will inform the details of the plan for the Japanese market. But we haven’t decided if we’re going to do something similar outside Japan.

You demonstrated the Vita’s remote play function with Killzone 3 during a TGS 2011 presentation. Will every PS3 game be playable on Vita, or is it up to the developer to incorporate that feature?

Yes, that’s correct. The PS Vita has to be customized to support remote play with the PS Vita. Yesterday, the demo that I showed using Killzone 3 was customized. It was meant as a technical demo and we haven’t even finished the utility of the remote play that’s really, really nice to support higher resolution screens on PS Vita, and the mapping of controls like R3, R2, L2 buttons using the backtouch panel. So as soon as we complete the development of those utilities, we will release the utility to PS3 developers so that they can check if their games work with the utility or they may have to do some additional work, because the remote play takes some additional memory and CPU time out of PS3 games. So some games that really utilize the PS3 capabilities may not work, so we’ll see.

What would you say is the most important thing Sony learned from the original PSP?

There are many lessons we have learned, but if you ask me to pick one lesson… Before the launch, as far as the hardware goes we didn’t put enough resources in the hardware to allow us to develop games that are unique to the PSP compared to home consoles. We had many products on PSP, but most of these games like God of War [Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparda] came from the console. Basically, you can play a bigger, better version of these titles on PS3. So pre-launch of PSP we were too happy with having the basic capability of PS2-class games to play on PSP, in terms of the screen and CPU/GPU. But after the launch and a few years time, just having pretty graphics isn’t enough. Especially when you can play a bigger, better game on home consoles. That’s the one big lesson when we designed the PS Vita. Because it is portable and because it’s a new technological development, we can put a touchscreen, touchpad, cameras, GPS, or 3G capabilities. We made sure that developers will be able to make use of these features that are unique to portable systems, so that with games we can continue to produce something very exciting that you cannot find on games on home console. So that’s one lesson.

The second lesson comes post-launch of the PSP. Because we shifted development resources to the PS3 launch, we kind of stopped supporting PSP games post-launch. That was a big mistake, because we didn’t realize that third-party developers were doing the same because they were working on the new launch of software on the PS3, Nintendo Wii, and Xbox 360 as well. So going into the PS Vita, because it’s our second time, we are making sure that we won’t make the same mistakes, meaning that we’ll continue to support PS Vita with a stream of good titles through release. So I pick these two as the lessons learned from PSP. I would also say that security and piracy was a problem with the PSP as well, and that will be fortified with PS Vita.

Speaking of security, can we expect the Vita to need as many updates as the PSP and PS3? Are there plans to make these firmware updates less intrusive?

I agree, it’s very annoying when you only have one hour in your busy life to play a game, and when you have to spend 30 minutes out of that one hour to update the hardware. So it’s not necessarily the frequency of how we update, it’s like you said – intrusiveness - of the current processes that we have on PS3 and PSP. I cannot talk about specific plans, but we are very aware of the issues, and we’d like to address those issues on PS Vita going forward.

HD remakes are very popular right now. Can you lend any insight into how difficult it is to update games like God of War and Shadow of the Colossus? From an outsider’s perspective it seems like these HD remakes are relatively easy to make but have high returns for Sony.

For Sony or for third-party publishers. If they are products for the PS2 that people really, really like, and because the PS2 is an SD system, if there are enough people that want to play these games with HD graphics with some updated features like trophy support, 3D support, or network features, it’s going to be win/win for both consumers and publishers. Because as you said, developing these HD remastered versions costs way less than making brand new titles on PS3 from the publishers’ standpoint. So many of these titles, when you look at the pricing of these games, publishers are pricing these games much lower than they do new titles. So people who really like these games on PS2 and like to relive them in HD format, when you try Ico and Shadow of the Colossus in the HD collection, you feel that these games are actually made for HD systems. The vision of [Fumito] Ueda-san really is realized better on PS3, so it’s a complete version of these games. It’s great for your money, especially when you are a new gamer and have never played these games before. It’s a steal. It’s two brand new titles you can purchase for less than buying one new title. So I think as long as there is this happy win/win situation between consumers and publishers, I would expect more titles will come out in this format.

It’s suspicious that Nintendo is releasing a second circle pad attachment for the 3DS after gamers universally praised the Vita’s dual analog sticks. Can you talk about what looks like an attempt by Nintendo to keep up with Sony?

Well it’s not like they looked at PS Vita and said “we need to do that as well.” I don’t know. It’s clear that they didn’t believe a second analog was necessary when they designed the 3DS, so I can only guess it was requested by Capcom’s side. Maybe a Capcom producer told Nintendo that to play Monster Hunter we need [two] analog sticks. That I don’t know, so I can only guesstimate. It was a bit shocking to see what they came up with.

Touching on the 3DS again, it seems like Nintendo responded to the Vita’s low price tag by dropping the 3DS’ cost even lower. It appears to be a direct response from Nintendo. Is it exciting to see Nintendo, which has had a death grip on the handheld market, seemingly react to the Vita’s hype?

I don’t personally believe that they dropped the price of the 3DS to respond to our pricing. We didn’t price PS Vita to their price, either. We had that plan since the last couple years. My personal guesstimate is that they have their business plan and goals to sell a certain amount of 3DS units, and they realized post-launch was that the pricing was not helping them to achieve the goal that they set. That’s my estimate. As far as if I’m excited, I’m not sure. If the 3DS sells like crazy and no one is interested in PS Vita, that’s a problem. There are lots of analysts talking about, “well, you know there are smart phones, there’s no need for dedicated portable game machines.” I don’t believe it. But if they point to certain performance of the 3DS and say the smartphone is here, it doesn’t help us either. I like to see healthy competition between Nintendo’s system and ours because it helps innovation. It’s always a good thing to have.
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Nothing has been said about internal memory, even if it has some its probably just allocated towards the OS mainly. So dont aspect anything from it.

What they mentioned about flash support was that they didn't wanted to say anything about it just yet.

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Aw man, so excited for a new Ys game. I love the music too, its really the only game I've ever been excited to see a soundtrack bundled with it. XD

I was gunna ask if you guys had heard about the memory card/pricing, but I found this so I thought I'd share:

Sony Japan also revealed prices for the memory cards for the Vita. The 4GB card will cost ?2,200 ($28.63), the 8GB goes for ?3,200 ($41.64), the 16GB is ?5,500 ($71.58) and the 32GB will set Japanese gamers back ?9,500 ($123.63).

Ehh, a little steep but not too bad. I paid $30 for my 8GB Pro Duo, so maybe I can find the 8G card for the Vita around that price too.
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Aw man, so excited for a new Ys game. I love the music too, its really the only game I've ever been excited to see a soundtrack bundled with it. XD

I was gunna ask if you guys had heard about the memory card/pricing, but I found this so I thought I'd share:

Sony Japan also revealed prices for the memory cards for the Vita. The 4GB card will cost ?2,200 ($28.63), the 8GB goes for ?3,200 ($41.64), the 16GB is ?5,500 ($71.58) and the 32GB will set Japanese gamers back ?9,500 ($123.63).

Ehh, a little steep but not too bad. I paid $30 for my 8GB Pro Duo, so maybe I can find the 8G card for the Vita around that price too.
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I'm sure the vita can emulate the cpu of the 3ds unless they did something special with it.

the gpu is going to be a pain to emulate, its not even remotely the same lol. So therefore you could see probably 2-10 fps attempts for simplistic games if you talk about emulation :P.

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Thanks for the feedback, and sorry for the long awaited resonse. It looks great, and appears to be more comfortable to hold than the original PSP, but i'll have to wait until next year to find out, and the game looks interesting as well
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they have confirmed that its goin to have flash support and i think its goin to have like 500 mb of interna memory
That means I'm forced to buy a memory card, huh?
C'mon, even the 3DS has internal storage.
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That means I'm forced to buy a memory card, huh?
C'mon, even the 3DS has internal storage.
That is one of the few (possibly the only) advantage of the 3DS over the Vita. The PSP had the same issue with storage.
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That is one of the few (possibly the only) advantage of the 3DS over the Vita. The PSP had the same issue with storage.
And that actually is sort of a big deal too, with the monster memory card prices.
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And that actually is sort of a big deal too, with the monster memory card prices.
And the fact that I was planning to buy many games digitally.
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Yeah it definitely is unfortunate, hopefully there will be some reasonably priced bundles with a memory stick included.
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C'mon, even the 3DS has internal storage.
Nope you aint forced to buy a memory card, The games save towards the cartridges. If you want to buy games digitally then yes.
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And the fact that I was planning to buy many games digitally.
if you're buying full game releases digitally, you're doing it wrong.
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Why? Its an easy way to get M games without faking ID's.

BTW, below me, reason I want to be able to buy digital games.
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Amazon, bro.
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I'm pretty sure that MikeHawk is of the opinion that physical copies of a game are better than digital copies.
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BTW, below me, reason I want to be able to buy digital games.
excuse ..... accepted.

rock on little dude.
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I am beyond excited for PSVITA. I think PS1 and PSP were probably my favorite two systems of all time, and I can see VITA possibly being the same. I will be getting the 3G version, and I may import one on December 12th from Japan.
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Good luck getting any reception on your JAPANESE 3G DEVICE outside of Japan.
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I would assume it could be activated in the US when it launches here.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:39 AM
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I would assume it could be activated in the US when it launches here.
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I suppose I'm just not understanding the POINT of this PSP. It seems like Nintendo's marketing pattern is as follows: Release handheld, release minor upgrade a year later, release BIGGER upgrade slightly later, rinse and repeat.... This seems to have worked WELL for Nintendo, as the various "improvements" to the GameBoy format(s) over the years HAVE evolved into what we know and love today. (And trust me, kiddies, I was in line for the OG GameBoy, standing at the JC Penney electronics counter back in 88/89... )
In the case of the PSP, although I ENJOY playing PSP, (I love horror games, personally, and the DS just aint GOT 'em...) I dont enjoy it NEARLY as much as the various Nintendo handhelds, nor does my wife. We have several PSPs of various 'models', but other than Sony changing silly and insignificant things like housing size and UMD door design, whats really changed? I will admit, though, that there ARE some PSP games that I just ADORE, and the design of the system does make for a VERY sexy beast, but meh, at the end of the day, 95% of the time I'm sticking a DS of some sort in my pocket while the poor PSPs sleep their lives away in my dresser drawer.

Whos to say though, really....I could get this 'Vita' thing in my hand tomorrow, and fall in LOVE with it, though it had better be SOME machine to sway my heart away from my beloved DS(s). I'll of course keep an open mind though.

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I suppose I'm just not understanding the POINT of this PSP. It seems like Nintendo's marketing pattern is as follows: Release handheld, release minor upgrade a year later, release BIGGER upgrade slightly later, rinse and repeat.... This seems to have worked WELL for Nintendo, as the various "improvements" to the GameBoy format(s) over the years HAVE evolved into what we know and love today. (And trust me, kiddies, I was in line for the OG GameBoy, standing at the JC Penney electronics counter back in 88/89... )
In the case of the PSP, although I ENJOY playing PSP, (I love horror games, personally, and the DS just aint GOT 'em...) I dont enjoy it NEARLY as much as the various Nintendo handhelds, nor does my wife. We have several PSPs of various 'models', but other than Sony changing silly and insignificant things like housing size and UMD door design, whats really changed? I will admit, though, that there ARE some PSP games that I just ADORE, and the design of the system does make for a VERY sexy beast, but meh, at the end of the day, 95% of the time I'm sticking a DS of some sort in my pocket while the poor PSPs sleep their lives away in my dresser drawer.

Whos to say though, really....I could get this 'Vita' thing in my hand tomorrow, and fall in LOVE with it, though it had better be SOME machine to sway my heart away from my beloved DS(s). I'll of course keep an open mind though.

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I think you're confused. The Vita isn't just a new PSP revision. The screenshots of the games should make that fairly obvious, I would think. The Vita is to the PSP what the PS2 was to the PS1 or the PS3 was to the PS2: an entirely brand new system.
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Oh, I see. The PSPs thus far, from what I have experienced, are basically handheld PS2s, so does this mean that the Vita is a PS3 internally?

Either way, like I said, I'll need one in HAND before I make a decision. I NEVER make decisions based strictly on screenshots and/or "hate it"/"love it" camps....

I'll have to have a closer look at this thing before I think of plunking down the cash....I'm assuming that YouTube would have some info on it - ?

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** EDIT ** I just checked this thing out on YouTube, a few promo videos and such, and yeah, it IS a LOVELY creature! When I have the two side-by-side with several great games for each, (3DS/Vita) I'll see who has the biggest trousers and who will limp along and croak. (Or, better still, they stand together as equals!)

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PSVITA is pretty damn powerful. The games will look like PS3 quality or close because it doesn't need to produce the higher resolutions the PS3 does. I mean the thing has a quad core processor, a dual GPU, and is more powerful than any tablet out currently for generally half the cost or even more than that. PSVITA is for people like me, who love the super hardcore games that are just like console games, and who also love the super awesome powerful tech. I think once people get their hands on the PSVITA they will be sold ( Uncharted for example ). The rear touch panel is also a really nice touch.
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PSVITA is pretty damn powerful. The games will look like PS3 quality or close because it doesn't need to produce the higher resolutions the PS3 does. I mean the thing has a quad core processor, a dual GPU, and is more powerful than any tablet out currently for generally half the cost or even more than that. PSVITA is for people like me, who love the super hardcore games that are just like console games, and who also love the super awesome powerful tech. I think once people get their hands on the PSVITA they will be sold ( Uncharted for example ). The rear touch panel is also a really nice touch.
both are quad core tho, cpu and gpu.

The image quality will look better then any ps3 game. a full resolution rendered game with oled contrasts etc will look beyond better then those 720p/540p games upscaled towards 1080p resolution.

The texturing is going to look better then xbox360/ps3 on top of it.

The complexity through polygon solutions etc, and the amount of detail they can place inside a game / shading will get a hid naturally through not having the same resources as the consoles.

While the image quality will look better, the game complexity will make it look like a ps3 lite game basically.

but i agree with the dude you react on, the PSP didn't really catered towards me personally. i always had the feeling that the device tried to be something but never could reach it and died in the process of trying to be it.

The vita seems to fix this issue. Now i only need to see a tad more information about upcoming second generation games tho.
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PS Vita External battery
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Looks good but I'm afraid that the USB connector is short, not much a problem though, I don't think it will be cheap.
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This is how it looks:

Looks good but I'm afraid that the USB connector is short, not much a problem though, I don't think it will be cheap.
That's the problem.0000000000000000
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Not everything can be cheap. You can either get a great price on the hardware and get screwed over on (potentially) unnecessary accessories, get screwed over on the hardware and pay cheaper prices on accessories, or get screwed over on both. Selling everything near cost price is a good way to go out of business. No company's going to do that.

The PS3 and 360 are both at good prices right now but the controllers are ridiculously overpriced. What Sony's doing with the Vita's accessories is nothing new.
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Not everything can be cheap. You can either get a great price on the hardware and get screwed over on (potentially) unnecessary accessories, get screwed over on the hardware and pay cheaper prices on accessories, or get screwed over on both. Selling everything near cost price is a good way to go out of business. No company's going to do that.

The PS3 and 360 are both at good prices right now but the controllers are ridiculously overpriced. What Sony's doing with the Vita's accessories is nothing new.
I have always wondered why I have to pay for a controller the same I'd pay for a game.
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both are quad core tho, cpu and gpu.
I was totally going to wiki to prove you wrong, but you were right. Strange, I could have sworn it was only dual. Cool though, more cores isn't a bad thing .
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Oh, so that’s why Army Corps of Hell feels like Pikmin. Motoi Okamoto, writer on Pikmin for Gamecube, is spearheading the PlayStation Vita title for Square Enix.

After Okamoto left Nintendo, he formed his own company called Entersphere. They started by making City Hunter and Evangelion games for the social network service GREE. Army Corps of Hell will be Entersphere’s first retail game. Square Enix have Army Corps of Hell queued up as a PlayStation Vita launch title scheduled for December 17 in Japan. You can read our hands-on impressions here.
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Not everything can be cheap. You can either get a great price on the hardware and get screwed over on (potentially) unnecessary accessories, get screwed over on the hardware and pay cheaper prices on accessories, or get screwed over on both. Selling everything near cost price is a good way to go out of business. No company's going to do that.

The PS3 and 360 are both at good prices right now but the controllers are ridiculously overpriced. What Sony's doing with the Vita's accessories is nothing new.
Yea, I understand that, but it's still a portable and that's a lot of money to be shelling out for it. Right off the bat, you have the system, battery pack (unless you want a 3ds battery), and the memory card. I have money,but not that kind of money. That's not including games,and I want to have at least a few when I first get it. Now you're around $400-$450. I know it's for quality, but come on.

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So pikmin is basically done as it self?000000000000

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The memory card isn't needed for most games. The battery pack isn't needed at all, and the life is not much different than that of the PSP which was perfectly fine. People are making a big deal out of nothing. The 3DS has a fine battery life with 3D on too IMO. Also you can get the VITA plus a memory card for like $280~. Small investment considering you are buying a system that cost $500~ to make alone, not to mention development costs. Just remember Nintendo was charging poor souls $250 for a system that cost $104 to make. The VITA is a steal for that price.


Remember the specs of that are more powerful than any tablet out, and its more innovative and has better controls, for less than half the price.
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The memory card isn't needed for most games. The battery pack isn't needed at all, and the life is not much different than that of the PSP which was perfectly fine. People are making a big deal out of nothing. The 3DS has a fine battery life with 3D on too IMO. Also you can get the VITA plus a memory card for like $280~. Small investment considering you are buying a system that cost $500~ to make alone, not to mention development costs. Just remember Nintendo was charging poor souls $250 for a system that cost $104 to make. The VITA is a steal for that price.


Remember the specs of that are more powerful than any tablet out, and its more innovative and has better controls, for less than half the price.
Well there's a reason I don't buy Ipads or tablets.
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Well there's a reason I don't buy Ipads or tablets.
Yeah, same here ( though I got a touchpad when it went on firesale for $100 ). Still, I'm trying to offer some perspective on the value of the thing, its insane.
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Yea, I understand that, but it's still a portable and that's a lot of money to be shelling out for it. Right off the bat, you have the system, battery pack (unless you want a 3ds battery), and the memory card. I have money,but not that kind of money. That's not including games,and I want to have at least a few when I first get it. Now you're around $400-$450. I know it's for quality, but come on.

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So pikmin is basically done as it self?000000000000
maybe this is the reason why there is no pikmin on the wii yet or announced for the 3DS.
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maybe this is the reason why there is no pikmin on the wii yet or announced for the 3DS.
I don't really care too much because I was never the biggest fan of either game anyways, although I know it has a pretty big fan base at this point. Chuggaaconroy helps that.
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Yea, I understand that, but it's still a portable and that's a lot of money to be shelling out for it. Right off the bat, you have the system, battery pack (unless you want a 3ds battery), and the memory card. I have money,but not that kind of money. That's not including games,and I want to have at least a few when I first get it. Now you're around $400-$450. I know it's for quality, but come on.
Like the other guy said, this is an exaggeration.

We're not sure how much memory cards or the charger/external battery are in the West. You're seriously just pulling numbers out of thin air.

Large memory cards for the most part are unnecessary unless you plan on buying many downloadable titles. Even then there's likely a way to get around having a small memory card.
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Well there's a reason I don't buy Ipads or tablets.
Isn't the Ipad just a giant itouch? Does it actually have other features?
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Isn't the Ipad just a giant itouch? Does it actually have other features?
I have no clue, but they are all worth less to me. I'm good with my laptop and blackberry.
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I love my touchpad. It's like a laptop but even more so dedicated to casual games and browsing the net. For $100 it's the best money I've ever spent. I think over all I'd rather have a tablet than a laptop, because I don't really need the laptop top for anything like hardcore gaming, as I have a sick dedicated PC.
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I have no clue, but they are all worth less to me. I'm good with my laptop and blackberry.
I hate it when people dismiss something they have never used. But, being someone who has used a couple tablets, IMO, there is really no point in buying one. They are the most superfluous devices ever.
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I hate it when people dismiss something they have never used. But, being someone who has used a couple tablets, IMO, there is really no point in buying one. They are the most superfluous devices ever.
When would I use an Ipad?
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When would I use an Ipad?

I dont know, but if you were never to use one, then you shouldnt pass judgement on it. Anyways...

Dont bother.
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I dont know, but if you were never to use one, then you shouldnt pass judgement on it. Anyways...

Dont bother.
I've used an Ipad and an Itouch, and I seriously thought they were the same. Just one is tablet sized.
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I've used an Ipad and an Itouch, and I seriously thought they were the same. Just one is tablet sized.
I was talking to Yuoke on the subject. But I agree anyway. I also agree with Yuoke's ignorant opinion on the subject too, which is funny to me haha.
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Also you can get the VITA plus a memory card for like $280~. Small investment considering you are buying a system that cost $500~ to make alone, not to mention development costs. Just remember Nintendo was charging poor souls $250 for a system that cost $104 to make. The VITA is a steal for that price.
Oh really?

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For Vita, the price on performance was something we definitely wanted to hit, although we all agreed because we are PlayStation, people expect better graphics and prettier pictures, so we have all those things we wanted to achieve in terms of capabilities, but we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.

To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that.


IGN: So you're going to be profitable with each Vita sold?

Yoshida: We haven't completed the hardware development. It's like 98-percent done in terms of hardware, and on the system software side and network code, we have a few more months to work on that. We don't have the final-final answer to that question, but the way we are projecting it seems like we're going to do pretty well.
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As for the price of the 3DS, yes they made a profit on every console sold at the $250 price-tag. At $170 however, they are selling it at a loss. It cost about $104 to assemble but you have to take into account all the costs that come on top of that, so it's not like they were making $146 dollars of profit on every console sold, and there's just no way it could cost over $500 just to assemble the PS Vita before the added costs of R&D etc.

I don't know what happened since then, so either Sony succeeded in making the PS Vita profitable right away or they will be selling it at a small loss and recoup immediately with software/3G/accessories. Sony has already said they will make a profit on the Vita on day one, although again, we're not sure if it'll be strictly from the hardware. But the Vita didn't cost over $500 just to make... what a ridiculous statement.

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I was talking to Yuoke on the subject. But I agree anyway. I also agree with Yuoke's ignorant opinion on the subject too, which is funny to me haha.
Ok, then the ipad is great, but it's worthless to me personally. I'm in college, so I literally would have no use for it.
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Ok, then the ipad is great, but it's worthless to me personally. I'm in college, so I literally would have no use for it.
Wait, you dont want me to agree with you? Even better. Its all good man, I dont think the thing is worth it for anyone either. It doesnt do ANYTHING better than the devices it is consolidating.
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So the three of us agree.
Ipads are useless and Vita is awsome.
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So the three of us agree.
Ipads are useless and Vita is awsome.
Pretty much, so anyways... to get back on topic...




this game interests me, but I have a feeling its going to have really crappy animation, not be very deep, and be a full $40 release. I hope not.
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Ipads are useless and Vita is awsome.
Yes, but don't let Bill Gates see that.
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this game interests me, but I have a feeling its going to have really crappy animation, not be very deep, and be a full $40 release. I hope not.
Reality Fighters? Hadn't heard of that game. What's with it?

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Bill Gates? But isn't he Microsoft?
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Bill Gates? But isn't he Microsoft?
I was kind of being ironic, just because Microsoft being known to take a charge at things.
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this game interests me, but I have a feeling its going to have really crappy animation, not be very deep, and be a full $40 release. I hope not.
PlayStation Games - Reality Fighters (working title)

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...You're in college?
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Why did you post that? Its nothing new. The video shows some pretty bad animation IMO.
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Its new for me
So its you in a fighting game?
Yeah, looks pretty slow paced.
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Yeah, when I first saw Reality Fighters I assumed it was a minigame tech demo virtual reality thing ala Face Raiders that just came with the system. Definitely not gonna be worthwhile as a full price game.
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I hope I am, I signed up for it. Otherwise I must have had bad directions getting wherever I am.

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agreed, I'll get it cheap on Amazon.
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Why did you post that? Its nothing new. The video shows some pretty bad animation IMO.
The media format. It's pegged as a download only game meaning it most likely won't be released for $40.
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The media format. It's pegged as a download only game meaning it most likely won't be released for $40.
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Breathing Life into PlayStation Vita - PSP News at IGN

Also, Nintendo never sells at a loss because it is ONLY a video-game company. It can't afford to lose money for as long as Sony and Microsoft did with their past few consoles, because the video-game division of Sony and Microsoft are part of a much larger company that sees profits in other areas while Nintendo does not.

As for the price of the 3DS, yes they made a profit on every console sold at the $250 price-tag. At $170 however, they are selling it at a loss. It cost about $104 to assemble but you have to take into account all the costs that come on top of that, so it's not like they were making $146 dollars of profit on every console sold, and there's just no way it could cost over $500 just to assemble the PS Vita before the added costs of R&D etc.

I don't know what happened since then, so either Sony succeeded in making the PS Vita profitable right away or they will be selling it at a small loss and recoup immediately with software/3G/accessories. Sony has already said they will make a profit on the Vita on day one, although again, we're not sure if it'll be strictly from the hardware. But the Vita didn't cost over $500 just to make... what a ridiculous statement.

You were right I was off in my number, it looks like it will only be about a ( prediction )$60 loss per console, still more than Nintendo though, and a lot more bang for the buck in terms of hardware. Also, I don't really give Nintendo a free pass on the selling at a loss thing considering the only reason they lowered the price was because it was selling so poorly. Obviously at $250 is was over priced is all I'm saying.

Also I'm sure you've seen all the articles about the VITA selling at a loss and not making a profit for 3 years. The link you linked I am finding else where, and it conflicts with lots of other comments and predictions, so I am unsure how accurate either is.

A $60 loss per PS Vita sold for Sony – Analyst | Myona News

If they are making even, or even near even, that's quite a feat for Sony.
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You were right I was off in my number, it looks like it will only be about a ( prediction )$60 loss per console, still more than Nintendo though, and a lot more bang for the buck in terms of hardware. Also, I don't really give Nintendo a free pass on the selling at a loss thing considering the only reason they lowered the price was because it was selling so poorly. Obviously at $250 is was over priced is all I'm saying.

Also I'm sure you've seen all the articles about the VITA selling at a loss and not making a profit for 3 years. The link you linked I am finding else where, and it conflicts with lots of other comments and predictions, so I am unsure how accurate either is.

A $60 loss per PS Vita sold for Sony ? Analyst | Myona News

If they are making even, or even near even, that's quite a feat for Sony.
The Playstation 3 and XBox 360 sold for even larger losses when launched
Sony's Hit Machine - Forbes.com

I don't think this will hurt the Vita at all
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Also, Nintendo never sells at a loss because it is ONLY a video-game company. It can't afford to lose money for as long as Sony and Microsoft did with their past few consoles, because the video-game division of Sony and Microsoft are part of a much larger company that sees profits in other areas while Nintendo does not.

Here we go with these misconceptions again.

Sir, Nintendo is more than just a videogame company. Of course, their products may not include stereos, TV sets, operating systems, or any of that, but Nintendo most certainly DOES sell more than just videogames.

Are you trying to actually have anyone here believe that you've never seen Nintendo backpacks, clothing, toys, trading cards, candy or one of a hundred other Nintendo licensed products on store shelves?

Nintendo makes a MINT of this stuff, along with the gobs and gobs of profit they make on their videogame software. They very well COULD afford to sell systems for cost or at a small loss. However, they don't tend to operate their company that way. That's purely their choice, not a necessity.
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Here we go with these misconceptions again.

Sir, Nintendo is more than just a videogame company. Of course, their products may not include stereos, TV sets, operating systems, or any of that, but Nintendo most certainly DOES sell more than just videogames.

Are you trying to actually have anyone here believe that you've never seen Nintendo backpacks, clothing, toys, trading cards, candy or one of a hundred other Nintendo licensed products on store shelves?

Nintendo makes a MINT of this stuff, along with the gobs and gobs of profit they make on their videogame software. They very well COULD afford to sell systems for cost or at a small loss. However, they don't tend to operate their company that way. That's purely their choice, not a necessity.
All of this is tied with video-games. If you want to take it literally, then they're a hardware manufacturer (console + accessories), a software developer and publisher, and they make toys, trading cars, clothing, backpack and candy... all related to video-games.

The thing is, Sony and Microsoft do that too. Again, it's related to their video-games and video-game consoles. So it's not an edge that Nintendo has over them, they all have that on the side, but Sony and Microsoft are backed by a huge company that manufactures a lot of very different things not related to their video-games or their consoles, and that people who don't care about video-games would still be interested in buying because it's something totally different. Nobody's gonna buy Mario and Zelda merchandise unless they've played the games. Joe Schmo could have no idea Sony even makes consoles and videogames when he purchases his Sony Vaio or his Sony TV or whatnot. Microsoft makes freaking computers. My grandma has a PC. She doesn't have an X-Box 360.

So all I'm saying is their margin of error is much, much smaller than that of Sony and Mcrosoft. That's why everyone keeps talking about the fact that Nintendo is doomed, because if they make big enough mistakes for long enough, they'll be gone much faster than Sony or Microsoft would be in their shoes. It's not a misconception, that they make Mario schoolbags isn't gonna save the company if Mario games themselves don't sell.
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All of this is tied with video-games. If you want to take it literally, then they're a hardware manufacturer (console + accessories), a software developer and publisher, and they make toys, trading cars, clothing, backpack and candy... all related to video-games.

The thing is, Sony and Microsoft do that too. Again, it's related to their video-games and video-game consoles. So it's not an edge that Nintendo has over them, they all have that on the side, but Sony and Microsoft are backed by a huge company that manufactures a lot of very different things not related to their video-games or their consoles, and that people who don't care about video-games would still be interested in buying because it's something totally different. Nobody's gonna buy Mario and Zelda merchandise unless they've played the games. Joe Schmo could have no idea Sony even makes consoles and videogames when he purchases his Sony Vaio or his Sony TV or whatnot. Microsoft makes freaking computers. My grandma has a PC. She doesn't have a PlayStation.

So all I'm saying is their margin of error is much, much smaller than that of Sony and Mcrosoft. That's why everyone keeps talking about the fact that Nintendo is doomed, because if they make big enough mistakes for long enough, they'll be gone much faster than Sony or Microsoft would be in their shoes. It's not a misconception, that they make Mario schoolbags isn't gonna save the company if Mario games themselves don't sell.
Well the mario games will always sell, but they need more 3rd party support to actually have a chance at "winning" the market. They don't need to have the ps2 amount of games, but still more variety of a stronger kind.
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It doesn't matter. The point- in case you missed it- is that they're making tons of money somewhere else than on game systems and game software, thus their hands aren't as tied on hardware prices as you'd like to think.

Nintendo just has a different approach to their hardware costs and it's one that involves them making money on it, not taking losses. Why is that so hard for people to accept (whether one agrees with it or not) instead of trying to make these ridiculous excuses for Nintendo? You're not their PR person, so stop acting like it.
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It doesn't matter. The point- in case you missed it- is that they're making tons of money somewhere else than on game systems and game software, thus their hands aren't as tied on hardware prices as you'd like to think.

Nintendo just has a different approach to their hardware costs and it's one that involves them making money on it, not taking losses. Why is that so hard for people to accept (whether one agrees with it or not) instead of trying to make these ridiculous excuses for Nintendo? You're not their PR person, so stop acting like it.
I think it is you who missed the point.
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Would be cool if you could see a livestream of developers working on a game for example a model for a update while you play the game :P
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They serieusly should need to announce a freaking MMO, no matter how bad it is. That isn't involved on shooter but featuring cartoon characters.

Get that dragonball z game towards the vita or something. or push another mmo towards it.

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And stuff on Innocence R. http://andriasang.com/comyac/
It looks like a PSP game serieusly only with a decent framerate.

I hope the first batch of games will actually shove some more graphical power forwards. This game and a lot of other games announced simple do not break lose from the "i look like a upressed PSP game".

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The closest thing we have to an MMO is Dust 514. But it's a shooter.
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It looks like a PSP game serieusly only with a decent framerate.

I hope the first batch of games will actually shove some more graphical power forwards. This game and a lot of other games announced simple do not break lose from the "i look like a upressed PSP game".
Well, in this case, it actually is a PSP game that's just multiplat with the Vita. But I'd say most of the new Japanese third party games coming in 2012 are just slightly upgraded ports of PSP games.
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I think it is you who missed the point.
Is that a fact? I don't believe I did. Nintendo is rolling in their non-hardware and software sales dough and that can easily subsidize any reasonable hardware losses they care to take on new systems. Just because their other products might be related to their games by way of likeness doesn't change that. It doesn't mean that only people who play Nintendo games are going to buy them. In case you haven't realized, it's hip to wear or have Nintendo related schwag, even to the general mainstream.

Sony and MS might have deeper pockets, but we're not talking about how much of a hardware loss they can take compared to Nintendo. Point is, Nintendo COULD take them if they chose to. However, they do not. Period.
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Is that a fact? I don't believe I did. Nintendo is rolling in their non-hardware and software sales dough and that can easily subsidize any reasonable hardware losses they care to take on new systems. Just because their other products might be related to their games by way of likeness doesn't change that. It doesn't mean that only people who play Nintendo games are going to buy them. In case you haven't realized, it's hip to wear or have Nintendo related schwag, even to the general mainstream.

Sony and MS might have deeper pockets, but we're not talking about how much of a hardware loss they can take compared to Nintendo. Point is, Nintendo COULD take them if they chose to. However, they do not. Period.
The point was, if Nintendo stopped making hardware and software, could they still be a hugely profitable company as they are now? That was the point. NOT having a huge amount of other categories of business to fall back on, is why Nintendo cannot afford to sell their hardware at losses on par with Sony and Microsoft. That was it.

Nintendo selling T-shirts and schwag is NOT enough to bankroll the company if they were to sell their hardware at a huge loss.
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The point was, if Nintendo stopped making hardware and software, could they still be a hugely profitable company as they are now? That was the point. NOT having a huge amount of other categories of business to fall back on, is why Nintendo cannot afford to sell their hardware at losses on par with Sony and Microsoft. That was it.

Nintendo selling T-shirts and schwag is NOT enough to bankroll the company if they were to sell their hardware at a huge loss.
This conversation has nothing to do with the PSV. Get back on topic, please.
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I am dying for my PSVITA . I was really hoping for myself and Sony that it would launch before X-mas in North America. I hope they know what they are doing.


I also hope people are as excited as me, and I hope VITA is a huge success.

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This conversation has nothing to do with the PSV. Get back on topic, please.

Exactly, thank you. Please let Mr Danzego know that he should not argue about things that do not pertain to the subject at hand.

To be on topic: I am seriously looking forward to the Vita, I cannot wait. I will love it. It will probably get more gameplay out of me than 3DS. Especially with the incredibly staggard games that I want, releases of the 3DS.

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So, if Vita is not launching before Christmas, when is it then?
Think it may have a 3DS-like launch? In the sense that it launched in the most arbitrary date possible.
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So, if Vita is not launching before Christmas, when is it then?
Think it may have a 3DS-like launch? In the sense that it launched in the most arbitrary date possible.
Feb or March most likely.
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The point was, if Nintendo stopped making hardware and software, could they still be a hugely profitable company as they are now? That was the point.

NOT having a huge amount of other categories of business to fall back on, is why Nintendo cannot afford to sell their hardware at losses on par with Sony and Microsoft. That was it.
Oh, well, if that's the extent of your point, then it's totally invalid and useless. Postulating over what Nintendo could or couldn't do if they stopped selling hardware and games has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. You may as well be talking about sandwiches, since they have about as much to do with Nintendo's current ability to sell hardware at a loss as what they might do if they stopped selling game hardware and software does.

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Nintendo selling T-shirts and schwag is NOT enough to bankroll the company if they were to sell their hardware at a huge loss.
Ummm...did you already forget the ridiculous profit margin they made on the 3DS? We're not talking about taking a huge loss here. Just a reasonable one. They could very well do that and subsidize it with the millions upon millions of dollars they make with all of their licensed goods, card games, toys, etc.

I don't think you realize just how much Nintendo branded stuff is out on the market at any given point. Why don't you get out of the house some time and go visit a few stores? Nintendo aren't hurting by ANY means in their non-hardware and non-software goods market. If you actually believe they are, you're out of touch with reality.

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Exactly, thank you. Please let Mr Danzego know that he should not argue about things that do not pertain to the subject at hand.

Funny that you of all people should say that, given your previous comment I replied to.

How classic.

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Oh come on, already. There was a direct line from discussion to the Vita's price and Sony's ability to price a certain way compared to other companies. It ties right in with that. Sure, the word "Vita" may not have been directly mentioned and referred to for a few posts, but it's not like we're talking about coffee or anything like that; the banter we're going on about came from what we said about the Vita.

Seriously, what's so terrible about letting discussions evolve and get a bit more involved around here? I don't see any trolling or outright hatred going on here, so how about letting people talk for once instead of threatening to shut threads down at the mere breath of a bit more involved discussion? When a thread is 70 pages long, you might see that happen from time to time.

The place is much more interesting when you let people actually have these discussions. Otherwise, the place is going to get flat out flipping boring (and pretty much IS because of the recent draconian approach to "modding" discussions).

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I am dying for my PSVITA . I was really hoping for myself and Sony that it would launch before X-mas in North America. I hope they know what they are doing.


I also hope people are as excited as me, and I hope VITA is a huge success.

I owned 7 PSP's, yes, 7. All kind of mods, imports, models. I beat majority of the big titles, and played lots and lots of roms on them as well as other homebrew apps. PS1 and PSP probably my top 2 systems of all time.
I was hoping as well for a pre christmas launch. If it pains you that much then you that much then you could get one imported since its region free. Heres the thing though: Have you seen the japanese launch list? There aren't too may awesome games in there. There are a couple, but wipeout 2048, gravity daze, and modnation racers will probably be out as well for the other territories next year at launch. You're paying a small price for a big gain. It's a tradeoff.
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I will probably import one if the price is reasonable. If not I will wait.
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PSV is region free?
F**k yeah!!!
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yea, it does. Hopefully it controls good.
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Kind of odd that he is using the d-pad.
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Wow, Ridge Racer looks awesome, and this is the 1st generation of VITA games !!!!

I hated the last PSP ridge racer though ( feel / control ), so hopefully this one is better.
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i really liked the alien and the race track looks like its goin to be way better than the 3ds ar
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So wipeout is pretty much the f-zero of the vita.
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So wipeout is pretty much the f-zero of the vita.
But the controls are nothing alike. I've always been appealed by Wipeout games based on their look, but every time the controls are so damn bad - very slippery, too sensitive.

I guess, since it's a popular franchise, for a lot of people that might be a way to make the game more difficult, I don't know, but from my experience, it's always been so damn hard to control that I've never managed to have fun despite the wonderful graphics. Hitting walls, trying to use weapons and never hitting anyone and finishing last every time gets tiring after a while.

I haven't played an F-Zero since X and Maximum Velocity, but those games are very easy to control and fun to play despite also being challenging. I don't know why they make the controls like that in Wipeout, it's a real waste. I have the HD one on PS3 so I doubt the Vita opus will control any differently.
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But the controls are nothing alike. I've always been appealed by Wipeout games based on their look, but every time the controls are so damn bad - very slippery, too sensitive.

I guess, since it's a popular franchise, for a lot of people that might be a way to make the game more difficult, I don't know, but from my experience, it's always been so damn hard to control that I've never managed to have fun despite the wonderful graphics. Hitting walls, trying to use weapons and never hitting anyone and finishing last every time gets tiring after a while.

I haven't played an F-Zero since X and Maximum Velocity, but those games are very easy to control and fun to play despite also being challenging. I don't know why they make the controls like that in Wipeout, it's a real waste. I have the HD one on PS3 so I doubt the Vita opus will control any differently.
Hopefully they will be at least a little better than, because I love most racing games, and especially futuristic ones.
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Live Broadcasting Your Gameplay Sessions From Your PS Vita &bull; VitaGaming

I know it's a tumblr post so it might not be the most reliable source. Currently looking for more sources to back this up.

It won't available at launch, but they are working on creating an API so that developers can implement live broadcasting into their games. We wont see this feature outside of Japan since Nico Nico is a Japanese website. Hope we get something like this via Youtube, justin.tv, or Ustream.
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Hopefully they will be at least a little better than, because I love most racing games, and especially futuristic ones.
I love racing games too which is why I'm always attracted to them, and every time I'm reminded why I don't play them. I tried most of the Wipeout games except the one on PSP, and I could never get into it. It's like playing racing games with tilt-controls on a smartphone, it's always too slippery and sensitive to feel right. If I ever buy a Vita, I'll only buy this one if I can try it out on a demo station in-store first. Who knows, sometimes handheld game controls are easier than home consoles', but I won't be holding my breath.
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So Nintendo should have delayed their console by months to make the ar viewer better, okay. The vita version does look good but will it be a system seller, I don't think.
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So Nintendo should have delayed their console by months to make the ar viewer better, okay. The vita version does look good but will it be a system seller, I don't think.
It wouldn't be delaying if Nintendo had announced a later release date for the 3DS.

And ask yorself this: Do you want a rushed system with less features or a delayed system with more features?
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So Nintendo should have delayed their console by months to make the ar viewer better, okay. The vita version does look good but will it be a system seller, I don't think.
They should have started development beyond earlier for the 3DS. Its not like 7 years is to less time to build a successor.
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It wouldn't be delaying if Nintendo had announced a later release date for the 3DS.

And ask yorself this: Do you want a rushed system with less features or a delayed system with more features?
But you could say that about most technology. Why did apple bother releasing the first 4 iphones instead of waiting until they had better features. Sure we'd all like every gadget we buy to have all the latest whistles and bells, but would I have rather waited an extra few months for slightly better ar, like I said earlier, no not really, I just don't think it's a system seller. If anything was an oversight and makes the 3DS feel rushed it's the lack of the second slider but that's a whole other issue.
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cant get excited for Wipeout ever since i bought the PS3 version and hated it. I played it and got as much trophies as I could, but its just boring. F Zero eats it alive. Racing games look very appealing on the Vita but none interest me right now ..until maybe a new Burnout . But then id want it for the PS3. Hopefully they let you buy both versions of games somehow.
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cant get excited for Wipeout ever since i bought the PS3 version and hated it. I played it and got as much trophies as I could, but its just boring. F Zero eats it alive. Racing games look very appealing on the Vita but none interest me right now ..until maybe a new Burnout . But then id want it for the PS3. Hopefully they let you buy both versions of games somehow.
This is going to be a massive issue for sony, people aspecting vita games to have a PS3 equal, because why not?

the vita should get there games exclusively really. If it has cross over play towards the ps3 towards another version of the game. people will just think that its the same game in general.

I hope they stop pushing out vita > ps3 games, and start hitting ps3 > vita games.

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But you could say that about most technology. Why did apple bother releasing the first 4 iphones instead of waiting until they had better features. Sure we'd all like every gadget we buy to have all the latest whistles and bells, but would I have rather waited an extra few months for slightly better ar, like I said earlier, no not really, I just don't think it's a system seller. If anything was an oversight and makes the 3DS feel rushed it's the lack of the second slider but that's a whole other issue.
I think he's talking about nintendo in general and just pinpoint this part out of it.

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This is going to be a massive issue for sony, people aspecting vita games to have a PS3 equal, because why not?

the vita should get there games exclusively really. If it has cross over play towards the ps3 towards another version of the game. people will just think that its the same game in general.

I hope they stop pushing out vita > ps3 games, and start hitting ps3 > vita games.
Yea, and this will especially be a problem for the fps market. For all of those people that play Cod/battlefield/etc. all the time, why would they want to get the portable version when they could just play it on their ps3?
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Yea, and this will especially be a problem for the fps market. For all of those people that play Cod/battlefield/etc. all the time, why would they want to get the portable version when they could just play it on their ps3?
Its like facebook on iphones. So they can play it anywhere they go! xD
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Its like facebook on iphones. So they can play it anywhere they go! xD
Yea, but in general most people that I know that play mostly just fps's a lot don't even have portables, ds or psp. I would assume they would say "well, I could get a portable version or play it on my 30 something inch tv screen with surround sound. One of my friends already said he is going to wait to get the vita just because of this. He said he basically doesn't wan to get any other new game coming out besides ModernWarfare 3.
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i think some nintendo fans are using alot the excuse of why i would want to play uncharted on the go when i can play it on my hd tv whit my ps3 but thats like saying why i would want to play super mario 3ds when i can play mario galaxy 2 on my wii,
most of the 3ds and ps vita are in his console conterparts
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i think some nintendo fans are using alot the excuse of why i would want to play uncharted on the go when i can play it on my hd tv whit my ps3 but thats like saying why i would want to play super mario 3ds when i can play mario galaxy 2 on my wii,
most of the 3ds and ps vita are in his console conterparts
Well first, I think you are misreading these posts, and what does this have to do with "Nintendo fans"? There's a big difference between talking about Uncharted, which is an actual different game compared something like CoD or battlefield. Why would someone want to play something like that portable when they usually always lay it at home on their tv.
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Well first, I think you are misreading these posts, and what does this have to do with "Nintendo fans"? There's a big difference between talking about Uncharted, which is an actual different game compared something like CoD or battlefield. Why would someone want to play something like that portable when they usually always lay it at home on their tv.
nothing i just said it i dont really wasnt taliking about you, but i dont know i thing alot of people would want too i would love too play a portable battlefield
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nothing i just said it i dont really wasnt taliking about you, but i dont know i thing alot of people would want too i would love too play a portable battlefield
Yea, a lot of people, but you have to take in the consideration of the population that plays cod/battlefield/etc. When you're in college or maybe even in high school, how often would actually have time to play portable games compared to system? If they are exclusive games, then yes, but if they are basically the same, why would they want to play them on the vita when they could on ps3? I'm just bringing up the point.
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Yea, a lot of people, but you have to take in the consideration of the population that plays cod/battlefield/etc. When you're in college or maybe even in high school, how often would actually have time to play portable games compared to system? If they are exclusive games, then yes, but if they are basically the same, why would they want to play them on the vita when they could on ps3? I'm just bringing up the point.
It is a good point. If its the same game, (example, MW3 Vita and PS3 versions) then why play it twice?
Unlike, for example, Uncharted, Golden Abyss is Vita exclusive. Different story and all.

btw, will that game have online?
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Yea, a lot of people, but you have to take in the consideration of the population that plays cod/battlefield/etc. When you're in college or maybe even in high school, how often would actually have time to play portable games compared to system? If they are exclusive games, then yes, but if they are basically the same, why would they want to play them on the vita when they could on ps3? I'm just bringing up the point.
yeah maybe but the good thing they said they are goin to make a new cod and biosock for the vita.
actully i play more portable than systems.

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It is a good point. If its the same game, (example, MW3 Vita and PS3 versions) then why play it twice?
Unlike, for example, Uncharted, Golden Abyss is Vita exclusive. Different story and all.

btw, will that game have online?
but the ps vita its goin to have a exclusive cod,
one thing i hear its that some games are goin to include the ps vita and ps3 version toghether

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I think the portable aspect might be strong enough for some people. Handheld games used to be different, but now since handhelds have specs similar to those of current or recent home consoles, the games aren't that different and yet the enjoyment of playing something on a handheld is still there.

I think it really depends on what kind of gamer you are. I'm a handheld gamer, I just don't play a lot on home consoles with my TV, I use it for TV and movies. Handhelds give me the freedom of playing wherever I want, whether that is on my bed with my back resting against the wall, on a balcony, on a terrace, on the john, or in the car if I have to wait for an hour when my girlfriend goes shopping. The appeal and practicality is too strong for me to give home consoles the time of the day.
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yeah maybe but the good thing they said they are goin to make a new cod and biosock for the vita.
actully i play more portable than systems.

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but the ps vita its goin to have a exclusive cod,
one thing i hear its that some games are goin to include the ps vita and ps3 version toghether
Are you serious about that game bundling? Wouldn't it be kinda.....stupid?
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I think the portable aspect might be strong enough for some people. Handheld games used to be different, but now since handhelds have specs similar to those of current or recent home consoles, the games aren't that different and yet the enjoyment of playing something on a handheld is still there.

I think it really depends on what kind of gamer you are. I'm a handheld gamer, I just don't play a lot on home consoles with my TV, I use it for TV and movies. Handhelds give me the freedom of playing wherever I want, whether that is on my bed with my back resting against the wall, on a balcony, on a terrace, on the john, or in the car if I have to wait for an hour when my girlfriend goes shopping. The appeal and practicality is too strong for me to give home consoles the time of the day.
Oh yea, I completely agree with that whole aspect. I'm just saying that you have to take into account all of those people who casually play games like cod and madden online. They aren't going to really want to play the game portable because they usually don't plan on playing games when they go out.
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Are you serious about that game bundling? Wouldn't it be kinda.....stupid?
yeah but i thibk just some games and i dont think it would be stupid its like in some blu rays movies they give you the bluy ra , dvd , and a digital copy for you computer an ipod
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yeah but i thibk just some games and i dont think it would be stupid its like in some blu rays movies they give you the bluy ra , dvd , and a digital copy for you computer an ipod
The difference is, dvds are kinda outdating now, so you just won't get around selling it easily and profitably. But a PS3/Vita game, you could just put it up on ebay for full price.
Well, it could work if they gave you digital copies of it/
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The difference is, dvds are kinda outdating now, so you just won't get around selling it easily and profitably. But a PS3/Vita game, you could just put it up on ebay for full price.
Well, it could work if they gave you digital copies of it/
I prefer Amazon, but that's beside the point.
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I prefer Amazon, but that's beside the point.
Oh, me too, but I didn't remember it also lets you sell.
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The difference is, dvds are kinda outdating now, so you just won't get around selling it easily and profitably. But a PS3/Vita game, you could just put it up on ebay for full price.
Well, it could work if they gave you digital copies of it/
yeah problably but what i hear just ruin and dust 514 i dont really know how works but problably the game its gonna have a lock or something
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Not at all. If Sony wants PS3 owners to pick up a Vita then they should make features exclusive to PS3-Vita owners as attractive as possible - like cross platform gaming. Plus, they'll probably get chewed out if they don't since Valve recently did it with Portal 2.
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I think the Vita is going to be a great system, but with most (EDIT) good games being multiplatform; I would rather play those on a PS3.

Exclusive games would have to be games that can be played on the go, like Street Fighter or Pokemon (just an example) or whatever.
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I think the Vita is going to be a great system, but with most games being multiplatform; I would rather play those on a PS3.

Exclusive games would have to be games that can be played on the go, like Street Fighter or Pokemon (just an example) or whatever.
I rather play games like raymon origins on a oled screen tho, reduced 40 euro's price tag instead of 60 is something that would make it beyond more worth also.

I think if there would be multiplatform games that would be exactly the same on the vita or ps3, i would go for the vita simple through having a oled screen on it.

Anyway i wonder what the rockstar multiple titles are.

They did stated somewhere that there where multiple rockstar games in the work.

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Yea, and this will especially be a problem for the fps market. For all of those people that play Cod/battlefield/etc. all the time, why would they want to get the portable version when they could just play it on their ps3?
Its a new market, its a market that sony wants to chase down. They want to let people have console experiences in there pocket and not inferior crappy flash games that simple are already done by apple.

The reason why nintendo still has any success atm is through moneyhatting massive company's for exclusives that are "still yet" relevant towards gamers. Next generation people wont be interested in them anymore and the market dies out. Sony knows this and instead of money hatting games like monster hunter they go for games like call of duty ( console games ).

Its something i highly encourage as thats exactly where the future of handheld gaming is located IF there still is a future for it.

I always hated all those inferior spinoff games. What i want is full fletched games on a handheld.

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Well first, I think you are misreading these posts, and what does this have to do with "Nintendo fans"? There's a big difference between talking about Uncharted, which is an actual different game compared something like CoD or battlefield. Why would someone want to play something like that portable when they usually always lay it at home on their tv.
Why would somebody play call of duty or battlefield on a console anyway? i dont get it. If you need to sit in 1 location watching underwhelming graphical solutions and a beyond more terrible control scheme.

Thats the point, people prefer the one or the other. I dont want to sit at 1 location in my home because thats where my "console" is placed. I want to be able to use it everywhere and play it everywhere in my home rather then being tagged by 1 place. If i want to have that i would just jump behind my PC and get the more superior experience.

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Yea, a lot of people, but you have to take in the consideration of the population that plays cod/battlefield/etc. When you're in college or maybe even in high school, how often would actually have time to play portable games compared to system? If they are exclusive games, then yes, but if they are basically the same, why would they want to play them on the vita when they could on ps3? I'm just bringing up the point.
Remote locations? vacations ? when you need to visit some grandmother birthday? vita all jumps in. Taking your ps3/xbox360 with you is just so much hassle.

I agree on school maybe its not the best way to do your stuff, but then mobiles already took that over.

I rather have the i'm free to play it anywhere i want. then that i need to drag a whole console with me.

It difference itself from this point.

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It is a good point. If its the same game, (example, MW3 Vita and PS3 versions) then why play it twice?
Unlike, for example, Uncharted, Golden Abyss is Vita exclusive. Different story and all.

btw, will that game have online?
Because you can continou playing it on remote locations or other locations when you are unable to play it on your 1 location console solution.

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I think the Vita is going to be a great system, but with most games being multiplatform; I would rather play those on a PS3.

Exclusive games would have to be games that can be played on the go, like Street Fighter or Pokemon (just an example) or whatever.
. 1-street fighter it's not a handheld exclusive the game it's in almost every system including the iPhone
2-most of the games are only for ps vita
3-because games like street fighter x tekken are goin to be 40 dollars whit the same graphics and on the go
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but with most games being multiplatform;
We should probably look at which games are actually multiplat (not sure if this list is complete).

F1 2011
Dust514
Rayman Origins
Good People Die
Dragon's Crown
Chunsoft's other visual novel
Lord of Apocalypse
Blazblue Continuum Shift Extend
FFX
Lego Harry Potter
OddWorld games
Street Fighter X Tekken
Ruin
Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom
ZoE HD Collection
MGS HD Collection


The bolded are the games I for sure would rather play on the other platform it's on. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

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