"Im sorry in advance this might take long this is about the next generation of graphics and what you can expect from all 3 consoles and what you shouldnt expect,Some of what I talk about I have already said but I feel giving more detail and really getting down into it and will give videos.


1.The next gen engines are Unreal engine 3(the newest updates for it) Cryengine 3, and Frostbite 3. First you make say well these can already run on the consoles we have now ???? While the word run is as far as you can go these engines have been able to run on them but with heavy modification too infact force them to produce lower graphics than they was design for and even than the consoles ex.360/ps3 struggle to being able to run even in the engines gimped state.

2.(Q)What can we expect in the power of the next gen consoles?
(A) While that is a interesting question that I can go on and on with But I give a summery you have to be first aware of the price ,the power of the consoles can not go as Crazy high enough for one console to completely over power the others ,my Theory is that the power of each console is going to be close to equal.
To give a glimpse at what we can expect on all next gen consoles is this video T.l.i.t.d. WIP update #5 now in !!CRYENGINE 3!! - YouTube
This is done in Cryengine 3 one of the big engine of the next generation This is impossible to be done on consoles because of amount of lighting and etc in the video is large the computer running on it was actually lagging badly and that was I believe with AA off.
(3) (Q) But if its struggling on that computer how will the consoles run it??
(A) optimisation ,Unlike pc when a dev is working on a game for console he knows all the console he working on are the same (xbox 360 is a xbox 360 no matter who owns it.) so he can work more on it and shine it up better than he can on pc in which he has to consider the differences between each pc.
(4)(Q) So what do you think the norm for game graphics of next gen will look like??
(A) The pc version of BF3 that being said optimisation can mean alot in the long run if I was typing this in 2004 and would say the norm for console will be between Far Cry and Doom 3 pc versions and I would be wrong the norm would be alot better than that but that because the devs got better with working with the hardware on each console and that what will happen next gen with Wiiu ,Ps4,xbox 720.


This is most of what I have to say without making this into a Series I hope that helps you understand what the next gen will look like on All 3 consoles.

Edit I change doom 4 to doom 3 dont know why I was thinking doom 4

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GameCube $200
PS2 $300

and the GameCube was more powerful.

The only correlation Im making is to what you said. You said that the Wii U will be significantly weaker than the PS4/ 720, yet you said it will cost 400-500. You expect MS/ Sony to charge the same if they had more power?

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Don't count on it having the same price tag as the Wii. Keep in mind Iwata himself said the console wouldn't be "cheap."

But that statement was made BEFORE the price drop of the 3DS.

So I'm still estimating somewhere around $299-250.

$270 maybe. I could see that. The launch price for their home consoles have never been that far apart iirc

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Did you already forget E3 2011?

as a matter of fact I do, case in point: PSVita.

oh right, the Vita. I wonder how that's going for them.

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First off I keep on trying to say this and showing why but I have to repeat myself the consoles are going to be similar in power !!!

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Is that why it's killing the 3DS right now like many claimed it would do?

Is that why the sales went through the roof on its second week, CHRISTMAS week?

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3DS probably should have gone for $200 but Nintendo overpriced it and they suffered for it.

It's safe to say that they won't be overpricing the Wii U.

So I don't think we'll have a PSV/3DS situation with the WiiU/PS4/Xbox720

Why are you trying to change the subject?

How ?

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You're trying to move it from "Sony wouldn't price their next gen console the same as the WiiU if it's significantly more powerful" to "lolol Vita sales lolol".

By trying to make this thread into a 3DS vs PSV discussion, which is banned from this forum until the PSV has the NA launch in February.

Come on Everybody the power of the wiiu compared to the next consoles is going to be less than the vita compared to the 360 the prices will be similar for each of them only differing maybe 80-100 dollars.

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Errm, no. Im using the Vita sales as example, just like you used its price as an example.

Not really, Im just talking sales.

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An example of what, exactly? Of why Sony wouldn't do that? Are you saying they should have announced an even higher price at E3? That would have negatively affected sales even more.

As an example of why I doubt they would overpower the thing. Do you not see how bad Sony is financially right now? They would be crazy to try and pull a PS3 or Vita for a 3rd time in a row.

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The Vita's not really overpowered. And you were never talking about Sony making an "overpowered" system. You said:

More power for the same price is all that matters.

Honestly Next gen is probably going to be whoever has the lower price will win thing considering Like I said the difference between the consoles is going to minimum in graphics .

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What I mean is they're selling it for a loss. More power for the same price = loss, and what's stopping Nintendo from slashing the price? Do you think Nintendo will purposely over price the Wii U so MS/ Sony sell for that price, then cut the price a few months later? or do you think they will price it right, and you assume that Sony/ Microsoft will price at the same 'low' price if they have *significantly* more power?

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I don't really care about which one wins. But I don't know how far MS and Sony are willing to go with their next gen consoles especially if they don't release them for another two years.

That the thing it wont matter the power is going to be similar no matter what the largest difference would be if they released them 4 years after the wiiu.

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That's not inherently true. I don't see how Nintendo slashing their price has any relevancy in this conversation.

I doubt the power difference is going to be similar. The average person probably won't be able to tell which one is the weakest, though.

What youre saying is that they could charge the same price as the Wii U, and point to the Vita, but do you think Sony wouldve charged $170 had the 3DS started at that? They would be losing a heck load of money selling the Vita at that price, and Sony is not in a good position to do that.

Thats what Im trying to get across.

Edit: Of course, this is all assuming that PS4/ 720 are powerful, I dont think power/ graphics will be much of an issue this gen.

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But the point still stands. The possibility for Sony to match the WiiU's price and outmatch it in power still exists.

With all this talk of sony and Microsoft Outmatching and obliterating the wiiu in power I want to know really how good looking are you thinking the games are going to be .

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I don't think they're going to look substantially better than WiiU games. But there's more to power than graphics, right?

The possibility of them selling their game division (see: TVs / samsung) because of all the loses that would cause also exists.

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Their gaming division is separate from their electronics division. Anyways, my point still stands.

If your talking about how many character will be on screen the load times and ai you are correct but even than it will be a marginally different and that would be even harder to tell because the third party titles are going to look close to each other and perform about the same.Now the first party titles are in Theory going to stand out from the wiiu but it really matters on the creativity and careful crafting of the game in which it will still be hard to tell because each companys first party titles are going to look great as well.

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Sony is still Sony, the gaming division is not separate from Sony. Last I heard Sony is not only losing money on their game division, but their other divisions as well like their electronics.

My point still stands as well.

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sales performance is irrelevant, the fact remains that sony offered the psvita for the same price as the 3ds(before the panic price cut) with across the charts stronger hardware

Read above, I wont say the same thing twice.

and sales performance are not irrelevant. If the Vita doesnt sell it will flop.

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You wanted me to look up info about their electronics division as a reason for why Sony would close down their gaming division. Like... are you serious?

That Nintendo can cut the price of the WiiU? Sure. But that point was never really relevant.

Their electronics division was flopping, do you think they'd keep their gaming division if it keeps reporting losses??

No, the point is:
"The possibility of them selling their game division (see: TVs / samsung) because of all the loses that would cause also exists. "

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it's irrelevant to the conversation between you and me, I hold no stock or position on the company so I give absolutely 0 ****s whether it prints money or it goes the way of the virtual boy.

fact: sony announced/made a product with higher specs than nintendo's new entry with a comparable price.

the discussion from the start is that nintendo would overprice the wiiU, with overpriced meaning it will be overpriced in comparison to other competitor consoles in terms of hardware specs.

Would you cut off your right arm because your left is infected? The gaming division had one bad gen. They're not going to close it down any time soon, and if they do, it won't be because of the electronics division.

But that point makes no sense. And it's pretty off topic anyways.

The conversation is about why the Wii U will not be overpriced and how Sony would be a fool to try and sell for a huge loss by pricing whatever they have next the same as the Wii U if the Wii U was to be priced reasonably like the 3DS is now (and assuming the PS4 is actually significantly more powerful). You point to the Vita and say how sales are irrelevant, when in reality they're not. Sales matter even if you dont hold stock or whatever because without sales you get no developer support which means no games.

Here's another fact for you: Sony overpriced their memory cards inorder to recoup on some of the loses for selling it at that price.

Added after 2 minutes:

When did I say that they will close the game division because of how the electronics division is doing? I said they will close it if it keeps reporting loses, LIKE the electronics division.

I would cut off my right arm if it was infected like the left arm.

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When comparing sony to Nintendo (particularly 3DS to Vita) you have to consider the fact that Nintendo has sites like this. Although not every member is an engraved in stone loyal Nintendo customer (some have other systems aswell [me] and some dont own a single nintnedo system) the fact that this atmosphere exists around an entire company, with fans that are practically addicted to thier products, gives Nintendo an edge. I feel Nintendo's fans that made them the video game giant in the 80's and 90's is much smaller but with the Wii they grabbed a whole new generation. They saw that thier bread and butter group of fans has thinned and took a bold move or two to ensure future fans. This involved keeping a quality to thier games that i myself have never seen falter. Nintendo may lose in the major gaming community but they have their own community so... they'll be fine with the WiiU. We've seen multiple times that the weaker hardware can often win (ps2, N64, Wii) and still present incredible games that are worth their time and money. We've also seen very capable consoles lose out at times or even fall completely (Dreamcast R.I.P.) because of a lack of games or quality. ... that settles that. As for the Wii... it had a good run, no matter what some may say i think it had a wonderful library, well worth its time and money. I wouldn't be upset if nothing significant came out of the Wii next year, or ever again. I also don't expect anything to come out of it, from what i've been told (WiiU blog, etc..) Nintendo is putting a very large amount of energy towards the WiiU to prevent another major mistake (they learned a lesson in cockyness after the 3DS launch). They know they can't just say "Look... its got a tablet... buy it" because they will be booed by even their loyalist fans if they have no quality... because they have no games nor support. I expect the Wii to come to an empty end, though im still satisfied. There are a number of wii titles i missed so i could pick those up, and they are trying to deliver on the 3DS front so Nintendo is doing surprisingly well with the situation.

If you wanted me to see how big the gaming division's losses were, you should have told me to look up info that actually relates to the gaming division, not the electronics division. Of course if any division keeps losing money, a company should get rid of it. That's just common sense.

the 3DS is priced reasonably now, at what point do you believe that you wont get ambassador program 2.0 with the WiiU?

and I said the vita sales are irrelevant to our conversation. you can get down to the complete nitty gritty of it but they will remain irrelevant as we are talking about nintendo.

can you get me a link for that little fact, that is not full of speculation.

Yeah its reasonably priced now, just like I said. Read through that again.

What makes you beleive Nintendo would overprice the Wii U in the first place, to cause an ambassador program 2.0?

I do not need to get you any links. Its common sense, why else would they charge so much for those memory cards? Just because?

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Hmm im disappointed I was hoping to have a discussing about graphics but it seems like everybody talking about sells that disappointing my favorite debates is on Graphics not to big of a fan of sells.

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This is never going to happen.

The only reason the Wii difference existed today is because Nintendo reused last gen components that were incompatible of working with next gen engines at the time.

The Wii U is using hardware that is capable of scaling assets built around Directx 11 (as according to EA and Crytek, next gen will focus on that).

Another thing, the Wii was also lacking in resolution that would eventually become standard (HD).

There is no resolution shift coming in the near future so it's safe to say all consoles next gen will output 1080p at max.

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To add to this. Here's a new similar rumor:

Nintendo Set To Enter Realm of e-Readers | Forget The Box

It's probably just a bunch a BS. But still...

I think it's a good idea.

Dem magazine covers!

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Sounds like that'd work great with the controller. The only thing I think though is that the media should be saved on the controller itself so that maybe you could use the controller without needing the WiiU on. You know, let it work independently for the E-reading stuff and possibly other functions.

That just reminds me of the lonely, forgotten eReader the GBA had. I loved that little thing, with its goofy Mario Party card game, and the Game and Watch cards that never came over to the states. Not to mention swiping cards for 5 minutes just to play an NES game. Still, you were swiping cards, which made it AWESOME.

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That's a really great idea, but do you really think that will happen?

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It's certainly possible since it's going to have sort of battery powersupply and since the wiimotes had the ability to save miis and I think saves as well, then it's possible this would also have some sort of memory.

Or perhaps you just need the Wii in standby mode (IE off but plugged in.)

Hm maybe if you are still in the same house, but I don't think it could function far from the console. If it could it would probably be really expensive.

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Need more info and an actual nintendo game trailer to be interested, but hey I love a new nintendo home console. Get's me more excited than handhelds. I stood in line in 6 different stores to get the wii to no avail, and finally had to pay 500 bucks online to get it. Stupid I know, but I really take these hardware launches seriously considering I will be spending 5-6 years with the thing.

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Reggie is giving an interview at CES:

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"The Wii U will be able to produce images with the quality of Disney/Pixar's Toy Story in real time"

LOL.

I'm not really expecting any new information. Just more PR mumbo-jumbo from Reggie.

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I may buy it for myself eventually but right now I'm focusing on the 3DS and potentially the Vita sooo it may be awhile before I decide to get one. I'll definitely be waiting for a price drop and a good deal. Same goes for the Vita.

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Is that supposed to be impressive? I can't really tell...

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I don't know either... it's a sort of running gag in the gaming world since that was the claim the Playstation hypetrain peddled before the launch of the PS2.

Do you see what I see?

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The Wii U, the controller, a tv, possibly with either the Chicago or NYC skyline on it, and a reflection of Good Morning America.

I'm with Yuoke, is there something we should be paying attention to?

I gotta say, I can't wait for E3 to get some real details on the WiiU. They've got some good things in the works but we need the whole story.

It's a picture of the Wii U at CES.

Kind of curious why it would be placed next to LG's newest 84 inch OLED tv though.

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To hook it up to the TV?

It isn't hooked up to the TV. It's just sitting there.

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They didn't hook it up yet, maybe......???

Why would they want to hook it up to that TV in particular? Company's usually don't advertise other company's products, especially at a trade show like CES.

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It's because the Wii U produces such beautiful graphics that only a cutting-edge TV can do it justice.

/wishfulthinking

Last time I checked though, Nintendo doesn't make TVs so whatever TV they hook it up to, it's going to be another company's product LOL.

But its at the LG booth for their newest, cutting-edge TV. Looks like they would want the focus to be on that, right?

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Maybe they're going to use the WiiU to run some sort of demo to show off what the TV can do.

LG is acquiring Nintendo, who will be making exclusive games for LG phones from now on?

Maybe that, but that would imply (I think) that the Wii U will have outstanding 3D visuals to really show off the TV.

It also may be a sign that LG may be making the screens of the tablet.

We should be hearing what Reggie says at CES soon, anyway.

Also expect that image to be photoshopped, LOL.

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Meh, I don't see Reggie showing off anything real. He's no company president, he's a PR man. E3 is when we will get the goods. Plus didn't they already confirm that there wouldn't be anything new at CES?

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Edit: Lolololo its shopped.

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Just thinking, why in the hell would they take a picture with the screen at that angle?

That TV looks really badass though

Just sayin

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I remember that screen. It's an old, fanmade "HD Metroid" concept screenie.

I wish we could just see some freakin' games for the thing. I can't care about a device with no games, Nintendo! Remind me; Miyamoto did say that Pikmin 3 is coming out on the Wii U, right?

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Yup! Pikmin 3 was moved to Wii U. Its probably safe to say that it will be a launch title.

We wont hear about games until E3. Last E3 was sort of like E3 2005. The Wii U megaton will be at this year's E3.

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I'm really curious to see if they actually have a decent amount of original titles to display. We've been hearing a lot about ports of what are admittedly great games, but I'd prefer to see something I haven't been playing since November. Pikmin will go a long way to get me excited, but I'd love to see something as crazy and new as the hardware.

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The tablet controller can be used as an X-Ray. You could see through stuff! Yeah that's a random thought... I still want WiiU to be part toaster 0_o

System seller, right there.

Killer Freaks From Outer Space and Lego City Stories are stand alone games.

There's also alot of untiled games in the works.
List of Wii U games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The new WiiU console is seen during a - Media (2 of 3) Nintendo gives 2nd glimpse of Wii U game

Well, the PS3 was part grill...



The WiiU console looks incredibly long in the 3rd photograph.

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Well in my opinion it is definitely sexy enough to be invited into my living room. I will have enough to spare for a new console next year, still unsure if it should be the Vita or this. I can't wait for E3!

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It also looks long here:

Kotaku Goes Hands on with the Wii U Console - YouTube

I guess it'll just be a long console unless they tweak it in the next few months though I don't think it bothers me.

It's definitely looking nice, and notice that there are 2 WiiU controllers per system it seems. They're not being used at once but I noticed one of the guys is using a 2 screen split screen game and he's using a WiiU controller. Makes me wonder what the other guy is using! O.o

As for the design. If they want they could always change the name to the Nintendo Deep.

Well, it isn't original XBox size, so it's fine

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Man are you kidding!? No Ethernet input?!

Nintendo ****s up EVERYTHING! They have a chance to lure in core gamers and yet again **** it up!

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Dude, it's probably not even the final design. Seriously though an ethernet port makes you go this berserk?

That would be the thing that would screw up everything for them?

Dude, this video was from a year ago.

Things may have changed.

Well, I don't think they said it was the final model. Ethernet could be included by E3 2012.
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Ars spends an hour with the Wii U and learns nothing new about it

Interesting read, and I think it shows just how secretive Nintendo is being with this console.

Nintendo Wii U video walkthrough: Chase Mii, Battle Mii, the Zelda HD experience, and more! | The Verge

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So you read it all?

Read the title of the link.

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The link says 'Pachter'.

I wonder how many words I can make with 'Pachter'.

- Cheap
- Hater
- Cheat
- Chat
- Pate

I had another one, but it's inappropriate.

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Nintendo Wii U video walkthrough: Chase Mii, Battle Mii, the Zelda HD experience, and more! | The Verge

Some tech demos (Same as E3) but you can see the game mechanics and control options better, along with more insight into the Zelda HD demo.

The biggest thing (As i feared) was the inclusion of a resistive single touch display. But hey, it may keep costs down and keep the price between $300-350

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Ha! blunder of the century!

I loved the people faking excitement and fun when playing the demos.

But pretty good video, does a good job of showing the capabilities of the system. I had never seen that ultra-cool Tokyo demonstration or that you could change the time between day and night in real time, as well as switch the main action between the TV and the tablet screen. There's hope for Nintendo but they need to show all of that off so much better at E3, and they're going to need a better design. This tablet looks so big and childish, it really is ugly in my opinion.

I expect the design to be different when we see it at E3.

Hopefully in black too, for those that rather get that color. I'm getting white to match my Wii accessories and stuff regardless.

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Ugh... resistive touch must die. Especially in big-screen interfaces like tablets.

Wait, what about that rumor saying that Nintendo was trying to get some stuff from the App Store converted to the Wii U? How could they get a bunch of the App Store games running at all without multi-touch?

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They already have Cut-the-Rope and Plants versus Zombies, and Angry Birds was rumored. Most games aren't particularly reliant on multi-touch. But since resistive touch really sucks at detecting quick swipes (and gestures like that) I think they'll have a hard time getting the same nice experience as an iPad on the WiiU tablet.

I saw a feature on a technology programme recently which was demoing some touch responsive screens, I don't remember what they were calling it but it was basically a touch screen, just like the iphone etc, but you can actually feel a click response when you press it. Even double clicking and de-clicking can apparantly be felt in the fingertips from a flat screen. It would be good if that was available for the WiiU, and Nintendo picked up on it, but I doubt that will happen.
WiiU2 maybe?

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Haha I actually thought it was genuine. The Battl Mii (or whatever it was called) actually looked really fun.

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I've tried these from a number of suppliers. They're quite nice, although I must say the effect was strongest when accompanied with a "clicky" sound effect as feedback. Feeling a click without hearing it is somehow less convincing because you're not getting the full haptic experience.

I haven't seen that panoramic view demo before...

Now, that was really neat!


Shut up, Pachter.

As much as Pachter comes across as an uninformed dudebro gamer, his remarks may be symptomatic for a fundamental problem the WiiU may face: that people/coreg4m0rz who are not following all the Nintendo news like we are will perceive the WiiU as a strange catch-up console with (again) an unconventional controller gimmick.

Nintendo's marketing team will have to work hard to get the meaning of the system between people's ears.

First off I will start by saying Wii U is a bad idea. I think the controller will be expensive, and that will make the system expensive. If they do not have multiplayer with these controllers, it will also be complete fail.

HOWEVER, if they do indeed make a Zelda that looks like what they showed in that video, and make Wii U backwards compatible, I may pick one up anyway. I'm sure some of you guys on here know my weak point in resisting Nintendo is Zelda... and to be able to play 3 Zelda games I haven't played on one system would probably worth the purchase. Though, this is assuming I don't beat the other 2 on my .. nevermind.

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