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Old 09-19-2011, 11:12 PM
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This is the thread to discuss and speculate about Nintendo's next home console. Feel free to give your impressions so far, or post any interesting news or rumors you come across. It's ok to debate, but please no flaming or trolling.

So to start off the discussion, are you planning on getting a Wii U? If not, what more do you want to see before deciding?

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Old 09-19-2011, 11:14 PM
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Need to see more, Launch, or close to launch games, online, controls, etc. Definitely not at launch though, but eventually...
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I definitely am buying it, I think the Wii U will truly be Nintendo's true step into the modern world of gaming.
Old 09-19-2011, 11:18 PM
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I will get one. Probably in the same way I got my Wii. 2 Years later....
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:20 PM
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Right now the only thing that interests me is Smash Bros., which won't be for some more years. The fact that it is coming to the 3DS in those years as well further more lowers my interest. I want to buy one, I really do, but I also need to see more.
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First day buy for me nintendo could release a console with no third party support and i still buy it
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:38 PM
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:39 PM
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I definitely am buying it, I think the Wii U will truly be Nintendo's true step into the modern world of gaming.
And then when generation 8 starts itll still be stuck lagging behind.
Old 09-19-2011, 11:42 PM
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i won't buy it.

it needs:
a proper online system (Nintendo is incapable of doing this)
more tablets per system support.
more power (enough so it wont be too obsolete the moment the ps4 and the nextbox enter the scene )

no friend codes
multi touch screen
bigger buttons
remove the dual slide pads and add dual analogs.
bigger d-pad
slimmer and better trigger placement

gamecube controller ports
MOST IMPORTANTLY: I WANT NINTENDO TO SELL IT AT A LOSS

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Old 09-19-2011, 11:49 PM
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I think nintendo has really become a second option type of console you buy nintendo cuz you like their games then buy ps4/xbox720 for the online and third party
Old 09-19-2011, 11:50 PM
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The 3DS is proof that Nintendo doesn't know how to compete in the video game industry of today, unless i see some big changes with the Wii U i don't have any plans to buy it.
Old 09-19-2011, 11:53 PM
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The 3DS is proof that Nintendo doesn't know how to compete in the video game industry of today, unless i see some big changes with the Wii U i don't have any plans to buy it.
Hey, maybe they'll surprise us.
Old 09-19-2011, 11:54 PM
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I'll probably get one. But I shouldn't be stupid and get one right away like I did with the 3DS. If the price drops really fast, some NES games that I already have on my 3DS won't make up for it. Unless there's a Zelda launch title. Then it's easily a day one purchase. But that's highly unlikely.
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Hey, maybe they'll surprise us.
Maybe they will, but i'm not getting my hopes up because i will more than likely just end up disappointed again.
Old 09-20-2011, 12:07 AM
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Maybe they will, but i'm not getting my hopes up because i will more than likely just end up disappointed again.
That's exactly how I also go into football season as an eagles fan.
Old 09-20-2011, 01:16 AM
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I'm pretty far convinced. Just because of the fact that it is a Nintendo console, and no matter what there will be games to play on it that I will enjoy. Plus, it's got a new Zelda and Super Smash Bros. confirmed. Just show me those and I will be set.

I'm not in love with the controller, but I've never been in love with Nintendo's gimmicks. Just make better games than the ones that were made on the Wii and I'll be happy.

I'm just happy to see Nintendo finally go HD, and if that Zelda tech demo says anything, its games will be really nice looking.
Old 09-20-2011, 04:16 AM
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I was getting one at launch but after this whole 3DS thing, im gonna wait til a Starfox HD or Zelda HD drops
Old 09-20-2011, 04:25 AM
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Day 1 purchase for me.

I'm glad Nintendo is being the first to usher in a next gen. I'm getting tired of all the Shader Model 3 games that is the PS3/360.
Old 09-20-2011, 04:33 AM
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Not enough info for me to determine when to get it. Doesn't look that appealing so far.

That being said, it's home to SSB4. I'll be obliged to get it at some point.
Old 10-18-2011, 11:54 PM
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Nintendo has totally screwed us over with the 3ds launch, alienating even some of it's most dedicated fans(Myself included). The seem to be taking their laziness and lack of care for their fans up a notch. Now they expect us to buy another one of their consoles after the debacle that was the 3ds. What would nintendo have to do to make you buy a Wii U? For me it would have to be

*Pikmin 3 with online multiplayer and a huge quest.
*Vastly improved online
* New Ip
*announcement of retro's next project
*affordable launch price
* Metroid
* Third party support

This time a round will be the first time I will not buy a nintendo system at launch. I will no longer take empty promises as an incentive to buy their system. I will need solid prove of all to above. The PS4 and Nextbox will be more powerful than it so the hardware itself doesn't have me convinced. They will have to do everything they can to win my money this time. I will not be tricked into another 3ds.
Old 10-19-2011, 12:20 AM
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1. Answer to the poll- NO

2. Why?- Because I dont trust Nintendo launches anymore. I will easily wait and see how the Wii U goes. There are so many games on competing consoles that I want right now, that I really do NOT even remotely NEED a new console. Especially a new Nintendo console.

3. My opinion so far. The Wii U is another gimicky console, but this time will barely appeal to the casual gamers that loved the wii, let alone the mass market customers that are longtime Nintendo gamers.

History is what is keeping me from buying the Wii U right now. And the fact that in addition to the ONE new controller that the system is utilizing, game maker have the option to utilize the Wiimote that I hate.

I also fear that it will still house tons of shovelware, and the only games that will appeal will be Nintendo made, since any and all multiconsole releases will be using my preferred control scheme, being the Xbox 360 controller. Also, I am not sold on the controller by an means. I would prefer to analog sticks, not two Slide Pads.

I think Nintendo will yet again fall behind on the Online components that people expect on a console.

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Old 10-28-2011, 03:41 AM
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We are also planning to launch the Wii U, which is the successor to the Wii, during the next fiscal year. We would like to show the final format of the Wii U at the E3 show next year. As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:44 AM
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Cautiously optimistic.

At the very least, they should have Pikmin 3 and New Super Mario Bros Mii ready by launch, which should bode well both for picking up more of the core players and their ol' Wii crowd.
Old 10-28-2011, 03:45 AM
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Shouldn't this be on the Wii U Fourms? Or, did you post this thread on both? Either way, don't take it down! I was just wondering...
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:48 AM
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We don't have a Wii U section here, and several members here aren't members at Wii U forums, so I made this thread so that we would have a centralized place to discuss the console on this forum.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:51 AM
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There isn't enough info out right now to definitively say either way. Nintendo is being really tight lipped about everything surrounding it, so that makes me think they've yet to show a few aces. This E3 was just to show it off so that people know it's coming and showing off the new controller, next E3 is where they will most likely start giving details.
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We don't have a Wii U section here, and several members here aren't members at Wii U forums, so I made this thread so that we would have a centralized place to discuss the console on this forum.
Okay. I understand.
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Wow, I guessed right; there STILL isn't much info on the system, even though I haven't looked at it since E3 2011.
Old 10-28-2011, 04:55 AM
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Though i'm thoroughly happy with my 3DS so far, and that's before all the big games, it's good to see that Nintendo is listening to the negativity aimed at it and trying not to make the same mistakes they have made with it for the launch of the WiiU.
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Thoughts?
Sounds promising.

I'm still worried if they know how to handle their mess though.
Old 10-28-2011, 06:11 AM
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The 3DS is the third disappointment in a row for me (fourth if you count the lousy 3rd party support on the Cube). And seeing how truly awful the Wii has been and how incapable Nintendo is of doing anything new, I have no intention of coming anywhere near a Wii U.

It's official now. Their fire went out after the Gamecube failed and they have lost their magic and relevance in the gaming world. I will not be fooled again.
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The 3DS is the third disappointment in a row for me (fourth if you count the lousy 3rd party support on the Cube). And seeing how truly awful the Wii has been and how incapable Nintendo is of doing anything new, I have no intention of coming anywhere near a Wii U.

It's official now. Their fire went out after the Gamecube failed and they have lost their magic and relevance in the gaming world. I will not be fooled again.
well...it was just a matter of time
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With the PS Vita coming out next year, I think 1 hardware purchase will be enough for me, since I still have the Wii, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, and 3DS to play. Ill be waiting on the Wii U. And probably will NOT end up buying it, unless Nintendo suprise me with some great stuff, which I highly doubt.
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I am not convinced to buy one yet. If it gets interesting exclusives, then maybe. I wouldn't care if there is no online system honestly. Just good 3rd party exclusives. I just bought a PS3, so I will either get multi-platform games on it or my PC. No need to buy another console that plays the same games.
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The 3DS is the third disappointment in a row for me (fourth if you count the lousy 3rd party support on the Cube). And seeing how truly awful the Wii has been and how incapable Nintendo is of doing anything new, I have no intention of coming anywhere near a Wii U.

It's official now. Their fire went out after the Gamecube failed and they have lost their magic and relevance in the gaming world. I will not be fooled again.
I have to disagree with you. The 3DS has only been out for half a year, and for me, the next half year will be filled with interesting games that will empty my wallet.
The Wii has indeed supported a load of crappy casual games that are not interesting at all, but you must not forget games like Zeldas, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, NSMB, a good version of RE4, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.
The WiiU, looks in my eyes something that can only go wrong on third party support, though.
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I will not buy another Nintendo system at launch. I have to question the good sense behind buying any new system at launch. Give them time to work the kinks out, then make a good decision. Nintendo is clearly making moves in the right direction, but they obviously still want to go their own way. And I simply don't trust them to figure out which of their ideas are brilliant and which are completely stupid.

Nintendo has to determine to do a lot of things differently. Providing hardware that stays relevant even if it's not the most powerful on the market, constructing games that amaze in both gameplay and production value (more orchestrated music, please), and providing sensible, convenient, and unobtrusive services. That's a tall order for anyone, even the supposedly more "modern" gaming companies (I'm looking at you, EA). There's certainly an opening for them, if they truly want to bring their unique sensibilities to a market that they have to admit is no longer completely shaped by them.

And I seriously think they have it in them to do this if they try. The Slide Pad Expansion, as hated as it is, is a representation of a company that knows they screwed up. Call it "too little, too late" if you want, but it's there; Nintendo knows they have to change somehow, and I assume they know it's not going to be pretty. They're slowly expanding the features they offer, getting closer to the ideal modern gaming experience- offering what's necessary in today's market, while still bringing their own twist to the table. Will the Wii U continue this- maybe in one giant leap?

I don't know, but I know that for all Nintendo is trying, they don't deserve my trust. Yet. I'm remaining optimistic, but I'm not going to spend a single penny on it until I know it will be worth it to me. I'll be watching, since if anything can tear me away from my gaming PC, it's Nintendo.
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I bet it will come out in November! That's my guess cause as of now they have nothing big planned for the biggest month. I'm going to sell my wii and pay for it that way. I have faith it will be great with Online. Nintendo knows what they need to do
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i was gonna day 1 it, but after everything thats happened......

Ill get it once the price drops.. which will be around the time SSB4 releases or something good from nintendo.
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Ill get it once the price drops.. which will be around the time SSB4 releases or something good from nintendo.
Doubtful.

Anyway, Rumor

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TSSZ has learned Sonic Dimensions, a working title for the next Sonic, will take place directly after Generations and be a spiritual successor to Sonic Colors. We don?t know if this game will necessarily be exclusive to the Wii U, but we?re told it will have visual quality in line with Generations and it will take advantage of many Wii U specific capabilities. That includes the use of the Wii U mini-tablets for up to a 4 person multiplayer, and use of the revised Wii U remote and its touchscreen to destroy enemies and activate powers.
You can read the rest at the source above, but it looks like a rad Nintendo-Sega tag team.
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I really hope the Sonic: Dimensions rumor is true. It would make a great launch title
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I need to see more. And by more, I mean MS and Sony's next gen consoles.
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IDK, I dont think I will be investing in a WiiU at launch or in a year or two after launch as many on here have said. It just seems that since the Wii launch Ninty have been playing catch up with M$ and Sony ever since, and I feel they will launch the WiiU and it will be great for a year with all the 'ports', then (no brainer)M$ and Sony will drop their next systems and WiiU will be way behind once again.

Sure the WiiU will have the Marios(X a million), Zeldas, Pikmins, Metroids etc but there will also be a hell of a lot of shovelware for the system I am sure of it!

Also with this 'bitter' statement from Nintendo, I do hope they have gone back to the drawing board with the design of the WiiU system and changed it so it does not look like the love child of a WiiX360 and come up with something else.

The WiiU Tablet, I am completely not sold on this, I dont care if it can act as another screen when people want to watch telly, or can act as a rear view mirror in games, just bring back an updated Gamecube controller Ninty!!!!

Also, anyone remember when Nintendo said that the Next system will look like a SNES? What happened there???? Anyone???

I think they have gone about this all wrong tbh. I will not be buying one. I have a Wii(hacked to bits) and X360, GBA(Zelda edition :-p) and a 3DS. Too many systems and not enough time to get to them.

The X360 and PS3 have enough life left in them for the next 3 or so years, all games will be out for them and be badly ported with gimmicks to the WiiU. Whats the Point.

I love Nintendo, but I kinda hate them too over the past 6 years.

I think this could be the worst launch for a Ninty System ever(no matter what games they have coming out), they will lose the casual audience and us 'hardcore' audience will wait it out for a few years (as is common sence) so see what happens.

UGH, GET RID OF THE WIIMOTOES/TALBLETS AND BRING BACK A REAL CONTROLLER NINTY!
I am sick of my wrists hurting everytime I give the Wii a chance.

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I wil probably end up buying it at some point, but definitely not at launch. It looks like I'd be quite expensive so im going to wait for a decebt price cut and few good games to go along with it (or atleast 1).
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I need to see more. And by more, I mean MS and Sony's next gen consoles.
Well I've noticed a pattern with Sony consoles:

PS1-console with CD
PS2-more power and DVD
PS3-more power and Blu-ray Disc

So perhaps PS4 more power and HVD.

And yeah I plan getting it, it's Nintendo, it's powerful and it's got great third-party support that's all I need.
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My God,
I just realized...GTA V on Wii U very likely????

What do the people of 3ds forums think??? I love hearing what you guys think, it keeps me busy at work.
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I just realized...GTA V on Wii U very likely????

What do the people of 3ds forums think??? I love hearing what you guys think, it keeps me busy at work.
I think I would rather get it on 360. Much better NORMAL controller
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I would prefer to analog sticks, not two Slide Pads.
Didn't they say the slide pads on the Wii U would be improved?
Being the only person on the forums that doesn't hate Nintendo, I'm going to buy it as soon as I can.
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Being the only person on the forums that doesn't hate Nintendo, I'm going to buy it as soon as I can.
I don't hate Nintendo.

To whoever reading this: Like this post if you don't hate Nintendo as well.
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Didn't they say the slide pads on the Wii U would be improved?
Being the only person on the forums that doesn't hate Nintendo, I'm going to buy it as soon as I can.
Still doesnt change the fact that its a slide pad...

Only experiencing it will show how bad (or good) the Nintendo WiiU controller will be so we will find out next year.
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I don't hate Nintendo.

To whoever reading this: Like this post if you don't hate Nintendo as well.
It's just that I've seen so much negativivity towards Nintendo. I just don't get all the hate flying around.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Wii U isn't really "Next-gen"?

I mean, this seems like the system that should have been released instead of the Wii.

The Wii U looks only a little more powerful then the PS3. If this was released years ago, I would be hyped to the moon, but sadly, that isn't the case.

Also, to the people saying "Yes" or "No", how can you actually answer? We have so little info that it really doesn't make sense to pass judgement yet.

I think the people saying "yes" are just saying it for fanboy reasons, and the people saying "no" are thinking it will be like the Wii. (Which I hope to god doesn't happen.)
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Wii U isn't really "Next-gen"?

I mean, this seems like the system that should have been released instead of the Wii.

The Wii U looks only a little more powerful then the PS3. If this was released years ago, I would be hyped to the moon, but sadly, that isn't the case.

Also, to the people saying "Yes" or "No", how can you actually answer? We have so little info that it really doesn't make sense to pass judgement yet.

I think the people saying "yes" are just saying it for fanboy reasons, and the people saying "no" are thinking it will be like the Wii. (Which I hope to god doesn't happen.)
I'm not sure if I am yet, but I wouldn't say everyone that said yes is a fanboy.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Wii U isn't really "Next-gen"?

I mean, this seems like the system that should have been released instead of the Wii.

The Wii U looks only a little more powerful then the PS3. If this was released years ago, I would be hyped to the moon, but sadly, that isn't the case.
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We have so little info that it really doesn't make sense to pass judgement yet.
This is a speculation thread, and most everything within it will be speculation and rumor, until some actual news starts flowing in. Making a comment like "The Wii U will just be an HD Wii, and PS4 and Xbox 720 will a generation better" is no different than anything more positive about the Wii U.

Don't worry too much. Everything will come by in due time.
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It's just that I've seen so much negativivity towards Nintendo. I just don't get all the hate flying around.
We are pointing out and discussing about flaws from Nintendo products and marketing strategies.

That doesn't mean we hate Nintendo.
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More than likely no, just not sold on the idea of holding a tablet style contoller for gaming.
I'm sure NINTENDO has some great ideas up there sleeves but still I'm still a bit hesitant about the whole thing. Too many unknowns for me to say for sure.
Is it going to be multi-touch?
What will the screen res of the contoller be?(From what i've read not that great and maybe 480P but stiill to early to tell)
It better have good battery life .
What's with the stylus? (That also implies that it's a resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one like the iPhone and iPad.) isn't it time to put that in the past.
Is anyone else turned off about the color choice of the Wii U? Now I know it's a very minor issue to most and the final version could change but I just don't like the all white look. I think an all black version would look much sleeker and sexier.
Just my 2 cents.

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Old 10-31-2011, 07:17 AM
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I really like the WiiU concept but I will wait for more information before I decided to purchase it day one.
Old 10-31-2011, 07:19 AM
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I really like the WiiU concept but I will wait for more information before I decided to purchase it day one.
This should really be common sense.

Not for gamers, but consumers in general.
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More than likely no, just not sold on the idea of holding a tablet style contoller for gaming.
I'm sure NINTENDO has some great ideas up there sleeves but still I'm still a bit hesitant about the whole thing. Too many unknowns for me to say for sure.
Is it going to be multi-touch?
What will the screen res of the contoller be?(From what i've read not that great and maybe 480P but stiill to early to tell)
It better have good battery life .
What's with the stylus? (That also implies that it's a resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one like the iPhone and iPad.) isn't it time to put that in the past.
Is anyone else turned off about the color choice of the Wii U? Now I know it's a very minor issue to most and the final version could change but I just don't like the all white look. I think an all black version would look much sleeker and sexier.
Just my 2 cents.
Resistive touch screens aren't bad. Apparently there are multi-touch resistive touch screens out. Whether it's resistive or capacitive, I agree the stylus is really pointless for game play. For drawing though, I can see why they would include it.
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Call me old school or whatever but if I'm going to show off my crappy drawing skills it would be on a pad or paper :P
But I can see how it would be cool to those that actually have the skills to draw some amazing things and then displaying them on your TV.
I can totally see the Wii U coming out with some sort of game that would utilize this sort of drawing/writing skills like OKAMI or some gameshow but with more input.
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I'm guessing info on this console will start to appear abundantly early next year.
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Call me old school or whatever but if I'm going to show off my crappy drawing skills it would be on a pad or paper :P
But I can see how it would be cool to those that actually have the skills to draw some amazing things and then displaying them on your TV.
I can totally see the Wii U coming out with some sort of game that would utilize this sort of drawing/writing skills like OKAMI or some gameshow but with more input.
It could also be implemented in many games to customize things. Like clothes on a person in a game. Or you could write on a wall in a game. It doesn't really bring much to the game, but it is kinda cool.
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It could also be implemented in many games to customize things. Like clothes on a person in a game. Or you could write on a wall in a game. It doesn't really bring much to the game, but it is kinda cool.
I would still prefer a proper conventional controller over having add-on features like this in games that do not really add to the game (or could be implemented in another way).
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But how could you expect Nintendo of all companies to just make a simple console that's somewhat more powerful than the PS3 or 360? They have to do something nontraditional that makes them stand out.
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But how could you expect Nintendo of all companies to just make a simple console that's somewhat more powerful than the PS3 or 360? They have to do something nontraditional that makes them stand out.
But please let them be nontraditional with games, not with hardware. They're simply not good at doing hardware.
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But please let them be nontraditional with games, not with hardware. They're simply not good at doing hardware.

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We are talking about Nintendo right? Or are we just talking about the Wii compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360?
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We are talking about Nintendo right? Or are we just talking about the Wii compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360?
Do you feel the 3DS is a brilliant piece of engineering with its self-scratching screens, wobbly lid, cheap resistive touchscreen, low end components and questionable battery performance? Or the first DS?

Or how about the N64 using cartridges versus the PS1 using optical media? That basically cost them their leading position in the console world.

Or how about the Wiimote which has proven to be nothing but a gimmick that's detrimental to virtually all game genres but sport games?

Time and again Nintendo makes the wrong compromises when it comes to hardware design. They should stick to making games.
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I really like the WiiU concept but I will wait for more information before I decided to purchase it day one.

Exactly, Im also waiting on that till i know for sure.
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Do you feel the 3DS is a brilliant piece of engineering with its self-scratching screens, wobbly lid, cheap resistive touchscreen, low end components and questionable battery performance? Or the first DS?
I won't make any comments on the 3DS at this time, as I feel that it's too early to make any concrete assessments on its power. But seriously? You're going to use a design flaw like the screen scratching? And then post something about component prices?

You're looking at this the wrong way.

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Or how about the N64 using cartridges versus the PS1 using optical media? That basically cost them their leading position in the console world.
Incorrect. Optical media did provide a technical advantage, but it certainly wasn't the prime reason for its success over the Nintendo 64 and the Saturn. The Nintendo 64 was much more powerful.

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Or how about the Wiimote which has proven to be nothing but a gimmick that's detrimental to virtually all game genres but sport games?
Riiiiiiiiight.

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Time and again Nintendo makes the wrong compromises when it comes to hardware design. They should stick to making games.
Gamecube.
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I won't make any comments on the 3DS at this time, as I feel that it's too early to make any concrete assessments on its power. But seriously? You're going to use a design flaw like the screen scratching? And then post something about component prices?
My statement was that Nintendo are not good at making hardware. So bad design decisions, engineering flaws and cost-saving at the expense of performance are all valid arguments.

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Incorrect. Optical media did provide a technical advantage, but it certainly wasn't the prime reason for its success over the Nintendo 64 and the Saturn. The Nintendo 64 was much more powerful.
The power of the N64 was wasted because the storage limitations of the N64 carts meant that hardly any textures, FMV, sampled audio could be used in the games, making them often inferior and more difficult and more expensive to make than for the PS1. This in turn ticked off the third parties and making the PS1 the preferred platform. Again: a bad system design decision harmed the success of a Nintendo platform.

Example: despite being more powerful, the N64 would never have been able to run something as vast as Gran Turismo 2, which came on 2 CDs.. (giving it 1200+Mb of storage, versus the 32Mb of a N64 cartridge).

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Gamecube what? A nice system with some memorable Nintendo titles, but as a system a major failure. It mostly suffered from the damage done by the N64 and deserved more success, but Nintendo didn't manage to get enough support on board.

But I'll give you this one: in terms of hardware the Gamecube was one of the few decent Nintendo systems. Plenty powerful and proper controllers. Too bad they had to piss on its grave by releasing the Wii as a successor.

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Old 10-31-2011, 01:39 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Wii U isn't really "Next-gen"?

I mean, this seems like the system that should have been released instead of the Wii.

The Wii U looks only a little more powerful then the PS3. If this was released years ago, I would be hyped to the moon, but sadly, that isn't the case.

Also, to the people saying "Yes" or "No", how can you actually answer? We have so little info that it really doesn't make sense to pass judgement yet.

I think the people saying "yes" are just saying it for fanboy reasons, and the people saying "no" are thinking it will be like the Wii. (Which I hope to god doesn't happen.)
From the rumored specs its a late HD console practically and compares perfectly with the wii solution when it got released.

Wii u = this gen hardware
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Gamecube what? A nice system with some memorable Nintendo titles, but as a system a major failure. It mostly suffered from the damage done by the N64 and deserved more success, but Nintendo didn't manage to get enough support on board.

But I'll give you this one: in terms of hardware the Gamecube was one of the few decent Nintendo systems. Plenty powerful and proper controllers. Too bad they had to piss on its grave by releasing the Wii as a successor.
There was also the issue of the discs being much smaller in size and data capacity, which resulted in some games being on multiple discs and less third-party support.

I think something we should be asking is: can a Nintendo system in this day and age be successful without some kind of gimmick?

They made the Gamecube different from its competition by using smaller discs which while unique only limited the console's potential. Then came the Wii with its motion controls that surprised even Nintendo with its popularity amongst casual gamers. Now the upcoming Wii U with its tablet-like controller which we are yet to see whether it is successful or not; though i doubt it will be as successful as the Wii.
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I wouldn't say the Gamecube's small disks were a gimmick.

But they were super cute. ^_^
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But they were super cute. ^_^
Undeniably so.
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I think Nintendo is just a company that paces themselves. They released the Wii which is basically a Gamecube with slightly better graphical capabilities and motion controls. They use their hardware out, milk every bit of it as they can and then move on. The Wii U isn't really a next next gen imo, but I really feel that it isn't in the same class as the Ps3 or 360. It's more like a half gen above them, but as we saw with the Wii that's what they do. The Wii definitely made up for the low sales of the Gamecube. 89.36 million worldwide is a pretty big number even though it didn't have HD graphics. The point I'm trying to make is: Nintendo stretches their consoles for as long as they can, and as we saw with the Wii, they tend to use every ounce of old stuff before using their new stuff. You really think they couldn't make the Wii HD with badass graphics like the Ps3? You really think the Wii was the most tech advanced thing they could come up with? Don't be naive. By waiting this long to release an HD console, Nintendo has successfully preserved their future. Think about it, how much more can TVs and Video game graphics evolve? Unless they are going to have holograms anytime soon, I see HD lasting a pretty long time. So what will the Ps4 have in terms of tech? The same Ps3 but a little faster and repackaged with motion controls and 3D games. Imo Nintendo is no where near dying. The Wii U will be a success. Why? Easy. Nintendo already has an audience of 89 million users, all of those people have or have had a Wii. Now sprinkle in a tablet controller, HD graphics, the same games you can get on other consoles plus the casual friendly games all those people bought a Wii for annnnd a competitive price that will look real good when sony's 500 dollar monster comes rolling out with the exact same graphics and you have success. Most of you wouldn't have called the Wii a next gen console, but it sold.

it's really hard to say what I really want to express, but I'm sure most of you get the point
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It is way too earlier to decide whether or not I'll be buying a Wii U at launch.

All of the real info is going to be shown at E3 2012. I'll withhold judgment until then.


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Have you ever played Trauma Center: Under the Knife for the DS?

If not, please buy that game and try playing with just your fingers.
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On the topic of resistive versus capacitive touchscreens, I think Nintendo made absolutely the right decision in this case. I know that millions of people game on capacitive touchscreens with Angry Birds and the like, but I simply can't stand controlling games like that. A capacitive touchscreen is nowhere near as accurate as a resistive one, even on my 10 inch Motorola Xoom tablet. Far too often the game will misjudge the area of the screen I tapped, misinterpret a tap as a scroll, or the area I need to select is too small to accurately hit with my finger. The DS- and by extension, the 3DS- has none of these problems. I don't think you can call that a design flaw, it's just designing the hardware to suit the games that are going to be played on it.
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On the topic of resistive versus capacitive touchscreens, I think Nintendo made absolutely the right decision in this case. I know that millions of people game on capacitive touchscreens with Angry Birds and the like, but I simply can't stand controlling games like that. A capacitive touchscreen is nowhere near as accurate as a resistive one, even on my 10 inch Motorola Xoom tablet. Far too often the game will misjudge the area of the screen I tapped, misinterpret a tap as a scroll, or the area I need to select is too small to accurately hit with my finger. The DS- and by extension, the 3DS- has none of these problems. I don't think you can call that a design flaw, it's just designing the hardware to suit the games that are going to be played on it.
I dunno, but the DS screen had massive issue's with noticing my finger on its screen, i multiple times needed to push out the pencil in order for the device to recognize it correctly. ( some star wars game ).

I rather have a screen that misses my swipe or press a few times which i can instanly repress if needed then having to take out a pencil and press on the screen.

Besides that, i rather have a screen that can have multiple commands at once possible then a screen thats unable to do so.

If you want a pencil, i'm sure you can get one even for the multitouch screens.

and lets be real, where do you need that absolute exact precise solution for anyway? It was pushed on mobiles and pocket pc's back in the days because of low resolution / small screens that where nowhere near touch friendly. they stamped a ton of selections inside those screens which where unable to be pressed by a finger.

I dont see why at this date such a touch screen still has any use other then cheap out on stuff.
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It is way too earlier to decide whether or not I'll be buying a Wii U at launch.

All of the real info is going to be shown at E3 2012. I'll withhold judgment until then.




Have you ever played Trauma Center: Under the Knife for the DS?

If not, please buy that game and try playing with just your fingers.
No I haven't. But if it is difficult to play that game with fingers it could be because of the small screen size of the DS. The Wii U tablet screen isn't small.
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No I haven't. But if it is difficult to play that game with fingers it could be because of the small screen size of the DS. The Wii U tablet screen isn't small.
Nope, the screen is just fine. It's difficult because the whole game is about cutting people and their organs. Very hard to be precise with fingers.
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I won't make any comments on the 3DS at this time, as I feel that it's too early to make any concrete assessments on its power. But seriously? You're going to use a design flaw like the screen scratching? And then post something about component prices?
My statement was that Nintendo are not good at making hardware. So bad design decisions, engineering flaws and cost-saving at the expense of performance are all valid arguments.
And my point is that these aren't particularly powerful arguments against hardware.

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Incorrect. Optical media did provide a technical advantage, but it certainly wasn't the prime reason for its success over the Nintendo 64 and the Saturn. The Nintendo 64 was much more powerful.
The power of the N64 was wasted because the storage limitations of the N64 carts meant that hardly any textures, FMV, sampled audio could be used in the games, making them often inferior and more difficult and more expensive to make than for the PS1. This in turn ticked off the third parties and making the PS1 the preferred platform. Again: a bad system design decision harmed the success of a Nintendo platform.

Example: despite being more powerful, the N64 would never have been able to run something as vast as Gran Turismo 2, which came on 2 CDs.. (giving it 1200+Mb of storage, versus the 32Mb of a N64 cartridge).
So you do agree that the Nintendo 64 possessed more power. That in turn means a couple of advantages over the Playstation 1. The only technical advantage over the Nintendo 64 was the storage media.

You say that the power was "wasted," yet the Nintendo 64 still managed to push out so many good games like Conker's Bad Fur Day and Perfect Dark. Graphically, I don't believe the Playstation 1 would have been able to pull those off. So again, how is this a great example of terrible hardware?

Also, your knowledge of why Nintendo lacked third party support is incomplete, but that has little to nothing to do with hardware.


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Gamecube.
Gamecube what? A nice system with some memorable Nintendo titles, but as a system a major failure. It mostly suffered from the damage done by the N64 and deserved more success, but Nintendo didn't manage to get enough support on board.

But I'll give you this one: in terms of hardware the Gamecube was one of the few decent Nintendo systems. Plenty powerful and proper controllers. Too bad they had to piss on its grave by releasing the Wii as a successor.
So you also agree that the Gamecube was technically superior to anything of last generation. The lack of interest in the system has nothing to do with hardware. Let's not forget that besides being technically superior, it was also the most affordable.

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Nintendo certainly didn't have the strongest console in each generation (SNES vs. Genesis), but to not see how Nintendo has released good consoles is a tad... strange. The Wii U is currently rumored to be current generation hardware, but that could change over time. Assuming that it'll be low-quality tech based on what the Wii is, is, not prudent.
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Absolutely not, it looks horrible.
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And my point is that these aren't particularly powerful arguments against hardware.
Au contraire, how can they not be? Basically the 3DS is flawed in terms of engineering quality, system design and performance and you say those aren't 'particularly powerful arguments against hardware'?

It doesn't get much worse, so I don't know what would be a powerful argument in your book. The system would almost have to melt and burst into flames directly after unpacking or something.
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From the rumored specs its a late HD console practically and compares perfectly with the wii solution when it got released.

Wii u = this gen hardware
No.

Wii's hardware was based on previous Nintendo hardware (Gamecube) with 1.5x more power.

I'm not sure what specs you're reading but the Wii U's own have nothing to do with Wii (or PS3 and 360 for that matter).
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Honestly, one of the main reasons I will most likely get a Wii U is because you can use all the Wii stuff with it(Wii mote, classic controller stuff like that) So all I have to do is sell my Wii a day before the launch of the Wii U and I will have a slight piece of the price reduced. Seems fair...
I'm really hoping for some solid violent games
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Honestly, one of the main reasons I will most likely get a Wii U is because you can use all the Wii stuff with it(Wii mote, classic controller stuff like that) So all I have to do is sell my Wii a day before the launch of the Wii U and I will have a slight piece of the price reduced. Seems fair...
I'm really hoping for some solid violent games
Violent? Is that what makes a good game now?
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Violent? Is that what makes a good game now?
No not at all. That's just what I want to play. I love how snoody people are on these forums.
There are plenty of great games that aren't violent, but great at the same time.
I just haven't had a console other than Wii and 3ds in a long time, and I'm really craving some grotesque mayhem! Okay?
Is it really a problem for you?
Did my yearning for guts and blood really offend you that much???
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No not at all. That's just what I want to play. I love how snoody people are on these forums.
There are plenty of great games that aren't violent, but great at the same time.
I just haven't had a console other than Wii and 3ds in a long time, and I'm really craving some grotesque mayhem! Okay?
Is it really a problem for you?
Did my yearning for guts and blood really offend you that much???
Way to go over the top about it. I just don't see how violence makes a game good, or as you are implying, mature. There can be games that have some violence that are definitely really good, but that just kind of makes it sound like the stereotype person that just wants to play cod for the guns and explosions.
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Way to go over the top about it. I just don't see how violence makes a game good, or as you are implying, mature. There can be games that have some violence that are definitely really good, but that just kind of makes it sound like the stereotype person that just wants to play cod for the guns and explosions.
And what's wrong with guns and explosions (in a game, that is)? At least having guns and violence is pretty much a guarantee that the game is not made by overprotective boring nannies like most of Nintendo's studios.

Guns and violence don't make a game good. But it increases the chances.
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All I'm saying is I don't think you had any reason to post that. I mean I wasn't even implying that violence makes a game good. All I said is that it is what I want.
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Yea, but the way you say violent bolded just makes it sound different from just getting more mature games. I don't play games to see blood and guts and explosions every 10 seconds. If I wanted to see that then I would go see nay Michael Bay movie ever made. There can be violence in games to moderation and still be great because of balancing that out with other things like story. Games like Bioshock have some violence, yet not just base the games almost off of it.

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I didn't really care for Bioshock.
It just really seems like you are judging me because I said I want to have a console that can play super mario and a game like Grand Theft Auto... I mean, I don't really play a game unless it has one of the following if not all:
1. Interesting gameplay
2. A brilliant story
3. Compelling online play

if it doesn't have any of those then I will likely hate the game.
Take that game [Prototype].
That game was extremely violent, and I hated it. It had none of the listed things.
I wasn't implying that violence makes a game great.
Take Heavy Rain or Indigo Prophecy
Those games were amazing, and had little violence.
What I'm trying to say is I don't judge a game solely on its violence content, and I don't want you to think that of me. I made it bold as a more ironic way of saying I want a game that is a leap away from the nintendo tradition. Having a console with both would be easier on my wallet.
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I didn't really care for Bioshock.
It just really seems like you are judging me because I said I want to have a console that can play super mario and a game like Grand Theft Auto... I mean, I don't really play a game unless it has one of the following if not all:
1. Interesting gameplay
2. A brilliant story
3. Compelling online play

if it doesn't have any of those then I will likely hate the game.
Take that game [Prototype].
That game was extremely violent, and I hated it. It had none of the listed things.
I wasn't implying that violence makes a game great.
Take Heavy Rain or Indigo Prophecy
Those games were amazing, and had little violence.
What I'm trying to say is I don't judge a game solely on its violence content, and I don't want you to think that of me. I made it bold as a more ironic way of saying I want a game that is a leap away from the nintendo tradition. Having a console with both would be easier on my wallet.
Yea, I understand what you are saying, and I wasn't trying to judge you. It's just that I'm so used to hearing from a good amount of people that games have to be like to Cod to be really good, and just a million types of guns and grenades for more violence. I do hope that they find a balance between more mature games and what they already have to make them more unique to Xbox/Playstation.
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back on topic, that's why I think the Wii U would be great. If it could offer an intense game and a very fun nintendo game then I would buy it over every other console
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It would help if they had games like this, which can be great for both Nintnedo fans have more "core" gamers at the same time.
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Yea, I understand what you are saying, and I wasn't trying to judge you. It's just that I'm so used to hearing from a good amount of people that games have to be like to Cod to be really good, and just a million types of guns and grenades for more violence. I do hope that they find a balance between more mature games and what they already have to make them more unique to Xbox/Playstation.
I knew that's what you were thinking. I like Call of Duty as much as the next seasoned gamer, but other than online COD barely offers anything. The campaign is so stupid. All you ever do is: follow the white dot, shoot the guys the are keeping you from getting to the white dot, access white dot and then go to next white dot.
I mean they are great, but not outside the multiplayer.
I know exactly how you feel, I feel the same.
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No.

Wii's hardware was based on previous Nintendo hardware (Gamecube) with 1.5x more power.

I'm not sure what specs you're reading but the Wii U's own have nothing to do with Wii (or PS3 and 360 for that matter).
wii solution, not wii.

the wii = 1,5x more powerful then gamecube on geometric
the wii-u ( as far as it seems like ) is pretty much the same thing only against the ps3/xbox360 then the wii ofcourse.

The wii u = a modern wii.
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wii solution, not wii.

the wii = 1,5x more powerful then gamecube on geometric
the wii-u ( as far as it seems like ) is pretty much the same thing only against the ps3/xbox360 then the wii ofcourse.

The wii u = a modern wii.
Did you not see the specs? RV770's are not 1.5x better than a Xenos or RSX.

An AMD employee leaked Wii U's GPU has more than 1TFLOP putting it in HD4850/4870 territory. Those GPU's are 4-5x stronger than PS3/360.

Other things to mention:
  • Wii U is 1080p. While PS3/360 are capable of it, they struggle to render at such demanding resolution and thus most games are 720p or less.
  • Shaders akin to DX 10.1. PS3 and 360 are a gen behind this API.
  • Power7 based CPU. These CPU's can go up to 8 cores, are capable of more threads per cores, have a L3 cache as well as packs EDRAM.

The Wii solution is nothing like this. It's more a traditional leap like previous Nintendo consoles (ex:Gamecube,N64,SNES).
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  • Wii U is 1080p. While PS3/360 are capable of it, they struggle to render at such demanding resolution and thus most games are 720p or less.
I highly doubt Nintendo or 3rd parties are going to release every game on the Wii U as native 1080p.
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Did you not see the specs? RV770's are not 1.5x better than a Xenos or RSX.

An AMD employee leaked Wii U's GPU has more than 1TFLOP putting it in HD4850/4870 territory. Those GPU's are 4-5x stronger than PS3/360.

Also, the Wii U is 1080p and has shaders akin to DX 10.1. The Wii never achieved that.
xbox360 already has dx10 solutions bolted on its dx9 main solution. ( no matter if dx matters for consoles ) alan wake demonstrated it clearly.

dx10 is outdated at this time, dx10 hardware is pathetic at tessellation even while they support it with other low level api's. In order to actually use it you will have to get propper hardware.

1000gflops are uninteresting really, the gtx560 has 1000gflops too. does that mean both are equal as fast. hell no. its not even close. gflops are outdated way to measure performance really.

the 4850 is probably hitting half the 260 performance on top of it. thats how useless those numbers are.

To be more to the point, i dont even think the 4850 for example is going to hit 3x more performance then a single gtx 7800 ( this gen console ). probably more around the 2+.

Still the question is if they even did go that high on that model department. the wii was rumored back in the day to have around xbox360 power just a tad lower. Before nintendo actually says this is our hardware i will believe them. Or until i see tech demo's that break themselves free from current gen and frankly the tech demo's from the e3 are nothing more then more of now.

Hell even nintendo developers mentioned that the wii u isn't much more powerful then current gen devices.

the 1080p resolution impact over 720p or even 540p (dx10 aka alan wake titles ), the second screen and a 4000 series gpu simple are not pushing things far further then current consoles operate on.

For a real next generation jump you will have to atleast think about current date gpu's if not future gpu's that are about to hit the market next year.

push in a mid range 7000 series, or a 600 series next year. or put atleast as minimal solution a 6950 or a 560 inside it to actually make a jump forwards even if it isn't a generation ahead. it atleast gives room for the future.

a 4000 series card isn't bringing you anything other then a 1080p ps3/xbox360 game unless the game is rendered around 720p they maybe can boost up some solutions but other then a minor jump its not going to hit it.

the wii u is pretty much like the wii was back in that day, a minor jump over the current generation.
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I highly doubt Nintendo or 3rd parties are going to release every game on the Wii U as native 1080p.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it implied that the Wii U was designed to easily handle 1080p resolutions? That's the standard I'm going to expect from next gen consoles, at any rate.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it implied that the Wii U was designed to easily handle 1080p resolutions? That's the standard I'm going to expect from next gen consoles, at any rate.
pacman is easily doable at 1080p on a voodoo2 at 60fps, a game like battlefield 3 isn't even going to hit high likely 1 fps.

easily handle 1080p is trash talk.
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pacman is easily doable at 1080p on a voodoo2 at 60fps, a game like battlefield 3 isn't even going to hit high likely 1 fps.

easily handle 1080p is trash talk.
Maybe not easily to handle, but it's also not going to be a rarity either, or at lest not for a lot of the major games.
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xbox360 already has dx10 solutions bolted on its dx9 main solution. ( no matter if dx matters for consoles ) alan wake demonstrated it clearly.

dx10 is outdated at this time, dx10 hardware is pathetic at tessellation even while they support it with other low level api's. In order to actually use it you will have to get propper hardware.
The 360 lacks geometry shaders and less efficient pipeline stages.

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the 4850 is probably hitting half the 260 performance on top of it. thats how useless those numbers are.
In benchmarks, the 260 didn't lead much ahead of a 4850 most of the time.
GeForce GTX 260/280 versus Radeon HD 4850/4870 > Final Thoughts - TechSpot Reviews

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To be more to the point, i dont even think the 4850 for example is going to hit 3x more performance then a single gtx 7800 ( this gen console ).
The PS3 uses a gutted version of it since its GPU is weaker than the 360's own.

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Still the question is if they even did go that high on that model department. the wii was rumored back in the day to have around xbox360 power just a tad lower. Before nintendo actually says this is our hardware i will believe them. Or until i see tech demo's that break themselves free from current gen and frankly the tech demo's from the e3 are nothing more then more of now.
Zelda and the Garden demo can't be done on PS3/360. The lighting is too advance.

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Hell even nintendo developers mentioned that the wii u isn't much more powerful then current gen devices.
What developers?


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the 1080p resolution impact over 720p or even 540p (dx10 aka alan wake titles ), the second screen and a 4000 series gpu simple are not pushing things far further then current consoles operate on.
You need twice the power to run games at 1080p then it does 720p.


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For a real next generation jump you will have to atleast think about current date gpu's if not future gpu's that are about to hit the market next year.

push in a mid range 7000 series, or a 600 series next year. or put atleast as minimal solution a 6950 or a 560 inside it to actually make a jump forwards even if it isn't a generation ahead. it atleast gives room for the future.

a 4000 series card isn't bringing you anything other then a 1080p ps3/xbox360 game unless the game is rendered around 720p they maybe can boost up some solutions but other then a minor jump its not going to hit it.

the wii u is pretty much like the wii was back in that day, a minor jump over the current generation.
To insist a HD 4850 would give performance like Wii is a joke. Here's one example, of a demo that uses the full power of a RV770


You could NEVER achieve that with PS3/360 at any resolution.
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I thought the Wii thought us not to care about the spec until we're 3 years into the console's life?
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It's true 360 has some solutions however it lacks key features like Geometry Shaders.

Zelda and the Garden demo can't be done PS3/360. The lighting is too advance.

What developers?

You need twice the power to run games at 1080p then it does 720p.

To insist a HD 4850 would give performance like Wii is a joke. Here's one example, of a demo that uses the full power of a RV770

You could NEVER achieve that with PS3/360 at any resolution.
yea the xbox360 lacks the performance too. Doesn't change the points that i placed out.

xbox and ps3 would indeed have to less performance to push out a 1 on 1 projection of the wii u tech demo's, that doesn't make them remotely impressive or a generation leap, it just means that its more powerful.

alan wake is a 540p ( pretty much vita resolution ) which equals 4 times.

I never compared the wii u towards the wii which is pointless, i compare it towards current gen consoles that are the ps3/xbox360.

4000 series aren't powerful ( unless you pick out 2 cored solutions ), its powerful in comparison towards the wii, its just a upgrade towards current gen console hardware really and thats what matters not the wii.

Screenshots are nice and all, but as i show you another screenshot it doesn't say a whole lot really.



Does this look interesting or incredible towards people? i'm sure it doesn't. But i'm 100% sure that the wii u + xbox360 + ps3 combined isn't even going to be able to replicate that character together because of the lack of performance.

Screenshots are useless towards me really.
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xbox and ps3 would indeed have to less performance to push out a 1 on 1 projection of the wii u tech demo's, that doesn't make them remotely impressive or a generation leap, it just means that its more powerful.
What do you think a generation leap is? It's being able to do stuff that wasn't possible on previous hardware.

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I never compared the wii u towards the wii which is pointless, i compare it towards current gen consoles that are the ps3/xbox360.
Same thing. You're insisting the performance a RV770 would give is the same as what the Wii gave to last gen consoles before it.

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4000 series aren't powerful ( unless you pick out 2 cored solutions ), its powerful in comparison towards the wii, its just a upgrade towards current gen console hardware really and thats what matters not the wii.
Again, isn't that what any more powerful hardware is?

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Screenshots are useless towards me really.
It's the purpose of the screenshot that matter. Why are they sampling that demo on a Geforce 580 and not a PS3/360? Because they can't handle the effects required.
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To whoever said the Wii didnt have DLC:


Just goes to show how little you know about the system you're bashing.

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Just goes to show how little you know about the system you're bashing.

To all the Wii U naysayers/ haters:
That's the actual start up screen.
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If so, this is bad news. Cross your fingers that this is a load of bull****.

RUMOR - Wii U specs roughly match up with Xbox 360 | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

This information comes from a supposed Japanese dev that is working on porting a PS3 game to Wii U.

- Quad Core, 3 GHz PowerPC-based 45nm CPU
- 768 MB of DRAM ?embedded? with the CPU, and shared between CPU and GPU
- Unknown, 40nm ATI-based GPU
- two test models, one with 768 MB of RAM, and another with 1GB
- RAM is embedded with the processor
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I heard this rumour too. I don't like discussing rumours, wait until we have some facts.
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I expected it to be a 360 in terms of design, but more powerful.

This isn't necessarily bad. It entirely depends on if MS or Sony are dumb.
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I expected it to be a 360 in terms of design, but more powerful.

This isn't necessarily bad. It entirely depends on if MS or Sony are dumb.
XD But this is bad if PS4 and Nextbox turn out to be way more powerful. There go the 3rd party games.
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Nintendo will get plenty of third-party support, just not the kind we want.
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I thought Nintendo gave developers underclocked specs to work with because they're not sure yet how much RAM, GPU, whatever the Wii U is going to have yet.
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Dear God I hope so.
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Just another thing for overreaction before we have the actual facts.
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But this is bad if PS4 and Nextbox turn out to be way more powerful.
Thus the dumb part.

In order for the Xbox 3 and PS4 to be out of the Wii U's ballpark in the same way that the 360 and PS3 are out of Wii's ballpark, MS and Sony would have to make ridiculously expensive systems that require bulky power supplies that run extremely hot. That would mean they would be big, noisy, prone to overheating, $600 systems. I don't want that.

More likely, they'll be in the Wii U's realm. while still more powerful, and the difference will be not be bad enough to kill ports.

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And these might be the specs Ninty decided to have.
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Well there is a strong rumor that Microsoft and Sony are making the "Next generation systems" the 9th Generation and the Wii U has been set as a 8th generation so that rumor scare us a bit Well i like Xbox but...

Another things that "feeds" this rumor it's that Epic games Said "this is the game that close with the Xbox 360 just like Halo 2 in the original Xbox"

and Halo 4 it's officially announce do they really think they can beat Microsoft "Pet" or Halo 4 it's for "the next generation system"

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More likely, they'll be in the Wii U's realm. while still more powerful, and the difference will be not be bad enough to kill ports.
What I expect, or... what I hope they do.

It doesn't need to be the most powerful - It just needs to be powerful enough.
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Just another thing for overreaction before we have the actual facts.
Pretty much, It's really stupid how people think anything in print on the internet is credible.

You also have to love how people dismiss rumors that tend to be good but latch on to possibly bad ones.
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You can see the original article here: Wii U has quad core 3GHz CPU, 768 MB of RAM | WiiUDaily

Not sure I buy it.
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In recent months ago of Nintendo's worse start with 3DS but now I can actually see Nintendo's starting to step into positive future with Wii U and 3DS. Nintendo have took many risks to make a good future for them. as in a opportunity cost.
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In order for the Xbox 3 and PS4 to be out of the Wii U's ballpark in the same way that the 360 and PS3 are out of Wii's ballpark, MS and Sony would have to make ridiculously expensive systems that require bulky power supplies that run extremely hot. That would mean they would be big, noisy, prone to overheating, $600 systems. I don't want that.

More likely, they'll be in the Wii U's realm. while still more powerful, and the difference will be not be bad enough to kill ports.

that's not true Technology envolves

Think about it in the past When the NES was the sensation if you told someone about an 256bit console they would thing "That thing will burn our houses and will cost around $2000(from that time)"
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that's not true Technology envolves

Think about it in the past When the NES was the sensation if you told someone about an 256bit console they would thing "That thing will burn our houses and will cost around $2000(from that time)"
What?

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that's not true Technology envolves

Think about it in the past When the NES was the sensation if you told someone about an 256bit console they would thing "That thing will burn our houses and will cost around $2000(from that time)"
Please leave the detailed conversations to the adults. Thank you.
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Please leave the detailed conversations to the adults. Thank you.
No I'm 31 so Im an adult you do not understand think we are in the past and you have a NES (Nintendo Entrainment System) in that time I Said (True Story)

"WOW this it's Awesome this Graphics are Great and the gameplay it easy and just, wow.. i don't think Someone can make something better than this"

NOW look around you did you thought that will get something like this (3D graphics, HD, Internet, Online Gaming) that where just in the dreams of someones.

and we are not over technology evolve so I think in the future we can see better things that we can just imagine right now but in 25 years...
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I think in the future we can see better things that we can just imagine right now but in 25 years...
The Xbox 3 and PS4 are not being introduced in 25 years.

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I highly doubt this.
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Thus the dumb part.

In order for the Xbox 3 and PS4 to be out of the Wii U's ballpark in the same way that the 360 and PS3 are out of Wii's ballpark, MS and Sony would have to make ridiculously expensive systems that require bulky power supplies that run extremely hot. That would mean they would be big, noisy, prone to overheating, $600 systems. I don't want that.

More likely, they'll be in the Wii U's realm. while still more powerful, and the difference will be not be bad enough to kill ports.

And these might be the specs Ninty decided to have.
Where you base that on?

if they push out a 4000 series amd, and microsoft goes for a 7000 series that performs pretty much the same as top tier 6000 series card only it has dx11.1 implanted ( windows 8 solution ). how can the wii push out the game on there hardware if developers decide to push the xbox3 towards 720p / 30 fps solutions?

the question is going to be more, will developers support the wii-u this time around and base there games around it much like how PC gaming is getting holded back massively through having nothing more then a bit polished console games that run terrible unoptimized on top of it.

But are developers really going to do that with nintendo? highly doubt it.

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It's pretty crazy that Nintendo is going to try to keep the Wii going while the Wii U is released. I mean it was pretty obvious they would do this, but I don't really see where the Wii can go. I mean what Nintendo ips would be on the wii instead of the wii u?
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Where you base that on?
Acquaintances that would know such things who I have interrogated over a few drinks.

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I believe that would fall under the really expensive/power-guzzling problem, from my limited knowledge of such things.
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It's pretty crazy that Nintendo is going to try to keep the Wii going while the Wii U is released. I mean it was pretty obvious they would do this, but I don't really see where the Wii can go. I mean what Nintendo ips would be on the wii instead of the wii u?
Nintendo doesn't have an issue developing games on it's own console - That would be dumb. It's the third party developers that have problems getting their games on the Wii, hence the reason to move towards HDD and all that.
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It's pretty crazy that Nintendo is going to try to keep the Wii going while the Wii U is released. I mean it was pretty obvious they would do this, but I don't really see where the Wii can go. I mean what Nintendo ips would be on the wii instead of the wii u?
I dunno. I'd say that Nintendo is going to keep the Wii going for the casual audience and they'll make the Wii U mostly for "hardcore" games, but at this point, I'm not quite sure.

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Am I the only one that hopes the wii u ends up looking a little different than that? Idk to me it's bland and boring. The controller is cool but why does all technology have to be white or black? Why can't we get blue or red gray or purple even. White is so bland, and black is worse. I mean all of the consoles are starting to look the same.. Z

Do you think Reggie's kids have a wii u sitting in their room right now?
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Am I the only one that hopes the wii u ends up looking a little different than that? Idk to me it's bland and boring. The controller is cool but why does all technology have to be white or black? Why can't we get blue or red gray or purple even. White is so bland, and black is worse. I mean all of the consoles are starting to look the same.. Z
Because they are neutral colors.

Remember the threads/posts about how certain colors are girly?
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Well that makes sense. Would it really be too much to launch with two or three colors? What would it hurt?
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Well that makes sense. Would it really be too much to launch with two or three colors? What would it hurt?
They can introduce colors later and stimulate sales. No need for them to introduce it early and ruin that strategy.
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I don't think the color is the problem as so much as it looking so similar to the wii.
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I don't color is the problem as so much as it looking so similar to the wii.
That's probably intentional. They want to make the Wii U as similar to the Wii as possible in look so as to not lose the brand recognition.
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Things nintendo are adding into the WiiU I like

- A form of online names ditching friend codes (which I hate) and will be, similar to 360 "gamertags" as ubisoft stated.
- Games will be able to run in 1080P HD (can't wait for a zelda HD or super smash bros HD game)
- WIIU sports a "achievements" system, a different name though (not sure which).
- The online system in total has been overhauled and built to be more efficient (good job nintendo)
- Ability for third party developers to release DLC/Patches

Can't wait for the WIIU

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That's probably intentional. They want to make the Wii U as similar to the Wii as possible in look so as to not lose the brand recognition.
Yea, but the downside to that is potential customer confusion. Think of it from a soccer mom's perspective (keeping in mind that the casual crowd is now a significant asset to Nintendo's Blue Ocean Strategy :

"This game is for the WiiU. Well, what's the difference between that and the Wii? The game will probably run on the Wii too, right? Well they look the same anyway, they're both probably the same."



In my opinion(and this is an opinion), Nintendo's continuance of the Wii branding was a horrible mistake. Nintendo can expect loyal customers to buy the WiiU, but gamers who were turned off by the Shovelware reputation of the Wii won't flock to buy what they would see as a continuation. As for Nintendo's reliance on the non-gamer crowd, most of them probably don't know what the WiiU actually is, probably making the mistake of thinking it's a Wii add-on. Additionally, even if they weren't confused by the WiiU, they probably still wouldn't flock to buy it, as non-gamers simply are not accustomed to the constant upgrading/5 year cycles that we gamers have been living with for the longest time. To me, Nintendo's whole Blue Ocean Strategy simply isn't sustainable.

But then again, that's just conjecture. None of what I said has been proven AT ALL. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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In my opinion(and this is an opinion), Nintendo's continuance of the Wii branding was a horrible mistake.
I was thinking the same thing too when I found out they were going with "Wii U." My idea was that the Wii was a mere trend - It was something everyone wanted in their home at the time. And through the passage of time, its popularity waned, and the people moved over to the next hip trend. But after the massive sales a week or two ago, I don't think it's such a bad idea now. The Wii managed to sell 500K+ units within two days. That's pretty good for a dead console.

If they simply price the Wii U appropriately, and not screw up like they did with the 3DS, then they can get things going rather well. With the non-gamer crowd, the pricing is most critical. It also helps to release a Zelda or Mario at launch too. I'm fairly certain Skyward Sword helped pull in a lot of those numbers.
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Nintendo's next big product launch is the Wii U, the first home console to hit the market in years and the follow-up to its smash hit Wii console.
The new console, which features a touch-screen controller and high definition graphics, will come out sometime between April and December 2012.
Fils-Aime said Nintendo has learned a lot from the mistakes it made during the 3DS launch, which lacked strong first-party titles -- meaning games made by Nintendo -- at the start.
The initial price on the 3DS was also too high, something that Nintendo will be careful about this time around, he said.
"We had to go back and reduce the price of 3DS and we certainly don't want to go through that when we launch Wii U," Fils-Aime said.
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I think the Wii branding is fine. Sure I admit when i first heard the name I was like "DA F**?!", but it's growing on me now, and I dont think there will be the confusion. I think people underestimate the 'soccer moms'. Ive heard people talking about when a new Wii was coming out. The whole "Wii U = the controller" confusion could be easily resolved by naming the controller something along the lines of "tablechuk" (lol) or whatever.

I doubt the Wii U will be like the 3DS because Wii never got revisions.

"Introducing the Wii U, the next gen successor to the Wii. HD graphics, blablabla, and the new Tablechuk controller which features a touch screen, etc, etc" Im sure they can communicate it well to the consumers.
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If the games are there it will be bought by me. I am just wondering if it will be bought by the general populace. People tend to be stupid, and they might think that the Wii U is just a new slimmer wii. They also might think the controller is a seperate tablet. The list goes on. It amazes my how stupid people are some times.
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Things nintendo are adding into the WiiU I like

- A form of online names ditching friend codes (which I hate) and will be, similar to 360 "gamertags" as ubisoft stated.
- Games will be able to run in 1080P HD (can't wait for a zelda HD or super smash bros HD game)
- WIIU sports a "achievements" system, a different name though (not sure which).
- The online system in total has been overhauled and built to be more efficient (good job nintendo)
- Ability for third party developers to release DLC/Patches

Can't wait for the WIIU
Link?

I'm looking forward to the WiiU release if anything just to see how it affects the 3DS. I get the feeling they will try to integrate at least the online.

As of right now I see the next gen belonging to Nintendo and Microsoft. But a lot could change between now and then.

Interesting read I found

http://www.made2game.com/articles/Fe...work-on-Wii-U/

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The tablet screen should be a 3D screen.
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Two things.

How would call of duty or any shoot work on the tablet controller? Doesn't it only have one trigger on each side? And how would you sprint? I'm willing the bet those circle pads don't click.

A racing sim would be badass on the wii u!!!!! You could have the normal over the car camera angle on the tv, but when you hold the tablet up you see the "in cockpit" view or dashboard view on the tablet screen. You then proceed to steer with the tablet like a steering wheel!!! Yes? Do you think this will happen? The same could be done with ace combat or star fox
Do you think that^^^is a good idea?
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Two things.

How would call of duty or any shoot work on the tablet controller? Doesn't it only have one trigger on each side? And how would you sprint? I'm willing the bet those circle pads don't click.

A racing sim would be badass on the wii u!!!!! You could have the normal over the car camera angle on the tv, but when you hold the tablet up you see the "in cockpit" view or dashboard view on the tablet screen. You then proceed to steer with the tablet like a steering wheel!!! Yes? Do you think this will happen? The same could be done with ace combat or star fox
Do you think that^^^is a good idea?
What are you talking about. Any shooter could work on the Wii U. It has dual- circle pads and 2 buttons on each shoulder, sooooo it has the basic layout for every shooter every made.
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@ZeroMaverick:

There are two triggers. See them?:


Also, with a GIANT TOUCH SCREEN, I would hope developers can live without the clickable analog sticks.
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Oh **** I didn't even know it had two buttons on each shoulder! Wow I suck
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Hopefully there are other controller options, the one thing I hated about the wii is how for far to long everything had to be motion controls. Please have a classic controller from day 1 and on't force all games into using two screens.

Funny how nintendo has just waved goodby to the current form of motion gaming on the wii.
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Hopefully there are other controller options, the one thing I hated about the wii is how for far to long everything had to be motion controls. Please have a classic controller from day 1 and on't force all games into using two screens.

Funny how nintendo has just waved goodby to the current form of motion gaming on the wii.
The Wii U is already backwards compatible with all of the Wii's accessories which means the Classic Controller, Wiimotes, nunchuks, balance boards, etc. will work just fine on it.

I doubt Nintendo cease to make games which support the Wiimote/nunchuk since Wiis are so ubiquitous.
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It still sucks that GC controller won't be compatible anymore.
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It still sucks that GC controller won't be compatible anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made a GC-controller-clone that's compatible with the Wii U.

They're probably going to start making GC games available on the Wii U virtual console as well.
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It has dual- circle pads and 2 buttons on each shoulder, sooooo it has the basic layout for every shooter every made.
Whatever happened to Mouse n Keyboard?
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I hope they keep the pointer controls as an option as well because to me it feels like a downgrade to go back to dual sticks. Just like it would feel like a downgrade to me if they go back to button controls in Zelda.
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I'm hoping for a secondary controller than can be use instead of the original Wii U controller. Sort of like Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, but not nearly as crappy. I absolutely hated that you had to plug in the Classic controller into the Wiimote instead of it being wireless. It felt cheap and light. Hopefully something on par with the Ps3 or 360 controller. Something that feels legitimate.
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I'm hoping for a secondary controller than can be use instead of the original Wii U controller. Sort of like Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, but not nearly as crappy. I absolutely hated that you had to plug in the Classic controller into the Wiimote instead of it being wireless. It felt cheap and light. Hopefully something on par with the Ps3 or 360 controller. Something that feels legitimate.
How about the GC contoller as the classic controller? I don't care if new games like Zelda and Mario use motion control with the wii u tablet, but allow for people to play games like ssb and MK with a regular controller.
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How about the GC contoller as the classic controller?
I don't really like that idea, nor do I think they'd go through with it. I could never find a way to appreciate the C stick for what it is. I'd much rather have another analog stick*. I can see them making a "Classic" controller of sorts based on the Wii U's controller, but without the touch screen. I wonder if there is a mock up of what it would look like floating around somewhere.

Still, A classic controller based on the Wii U controller wouldn't solve my "2 anolog sticks" problem. Circle Pads are great and all, but they aren't the same.

*By that I mean that in most games I have on the game cube, the C stick is used more as a button rather than an anolog stick.
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Also, with a GIANT TOUCH SCREEN, I would hope developers can live without the clickable analog sticks.
Why make them adapt?

If I'm playing a FPS, I don't want to touch the touchscreen to crouch, sprint, zoom in, or whatever. If you want to move them to other buttons, you just move the problem.

Having a classic controller peripheral also doesn't help developers. Their controls have to work with the controller that comes in the box.
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Why make them adapt?

If I'm playing a FPS, I don't want to touch the touchscreen to crouch, sprint, zoom in, or whatever. If you want to move them to other buttons, you just move the problem.

Having a classic controller peripheral also doesn't help developers. Their controls have to work with the controller that comes in the box.
Wii didnt have dual analogs nor a clickable stick and it worked fine. The classic controller doesnt have clickable sticks either and it works fine as well (Goldeneye 007, etc)
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Wii didnt have dual analogs nor a clickable stick and it worked fine. The classic controller doesnt have clickable sticks either and it works fine as well (Goldeneye 007, etc)
And neither of them were conducive to developer friendliness, which is what the Wii U is all about. Goldeneye was a game built from the ground up for Wii. The best use of the Wiimote + Nunchuck in a first person game was, in my opinion, Metroid Prime 3, another game made for the Wii. Controls of multiplatform games were spotty at best.

The idea of taking something away from developers and forcing them to use Nintendo's latest idea is silly. Give them what they want in addition to whatever the latest idea is. It's not that hard of a concept.
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I don't see how the Upad lacking clickable analog sticks automatically means that multiplatform titles will be controlled awkwardly on the Wii U. It's not like with the Wiimote where there are very few buttons and it's wildly different than the competition's controllers.
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I don't see how the Upad lacking clickable analog sticks automatically means that multiplatform titles will be controlled awkwardly on the Wii U. It's not like with the Wiimote where there are very few buttons and it's wildly different than the competition's controllers.
The point is it automatically means it will control differently. That allows devs to implement alternate controls in a good or bad way, which allows an extra opportunity for a game to suck.

In addition, any difference in controls is undesirable in the realm of shooters. This is the audience that won't play certain shooters because zoom in is on the right analog stick button rather than the left trigger, or vice versa. You want the control experience to be homogenized as possible so muscle memory doesn't have to be reprogrammed.

And as an aside, I am willing to bet that all multiplatform shooters will control awkwardly if they don't have all the buttons the other controllers do.
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A wireless classic controller pro option would be cool. So far for launch titles we have:
Batman: Arkham City
Darksiders 2
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge

Here are a few titles that I think will be at launch:
LEGO City Stories
Madden NFL 13
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The point is it automatically means it will control differently. That allows devs to implement alternate controls in a good or bad way, which allows an extra opportunity for a game to suck.

In addition, any difference in controls is undesirable in the realm of shooters. This is the audience that won't play certain shooters because zoom in is on the right analog stick button rather than the left trigger, or vice versa. You want the control experience to be homogenized as possible so muscle memory doesn't have to be reprogrammed.

And as an aside, I am willing to bet that all multiplatform shooters will control awkwardly if they don't have all the buttons the other controllers do.
Oh, okay.

In that case, the issue about the analog sticks makes a bit more sense when thinking about games like COD, Battlefield, etc.

But kind of doubt that the audience you're referring to in your post would buy a Wii U even if the controller was absolutely perfect. :/
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Oh, okay.

In that case, the issue about the analog sticks makes a bit more sense when thinking about games like COD, Battlefield, etc.

But kind of doubt that the audience you're referring to in your post would buy a Wii U even if the controller was absolutely perfect. :/
It definitely makes a very big difference.

And on a side not, I'm wondering how they will Madden on this, because that actually is a big deal for the scale of the game. On the Wii it has always been a completely watered down and kiddy port-like version. I wonder if they will try to make a legitimate version now that therei s HD.
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I would buy it if it had better graphics than my PC and a proper online.
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It definitely makes a very big difference.

And on a side not, I'm wondering how they will Madden on this, because that actually is a big deal for the scale of the game. On the Wii it has always been a completely watered down and kiddy port-like version. I wonder if they will try to make a legitimate version now that therei s HD.
Well EA said they'd make Madden on the Wii U the best ersion just like Fifa so I'd say pretty good.
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But kind of doubt that the audience you're referring to in your post would buy a Wii U even if the controller was absolutely perfect. :/
That's who Nintendo wants, or so they say.

Having the Wii U controller like that would be preemptively shooting themselves in the foot. Nintendo absolutely loves doing that though, so it's no surprise.
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I don't really like that idea, nor do I think they'd go through with it. I could never find a way to appreciate the C stick for what it is. I'd much rather have another analog stick*. I can see them making a "Classic" controller of sorts based on the Wii U's controller, but without the touch screen. I wonder if there is a mock up of what it would look like floating around somewhere.

Still, A classic controller based on the Wii U controller wouldn't solve my "2 anolog sticks" problem. Circle Pads are great and all, but they aren't the same.

*By that I mean that in most games I have on the game cube, the C stick is used more as a button rather than an anolog stick.
maybe you mean something like this?


I could see them producing this
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maybe you mean something like this?


I could see them producing this
A controller with a built-in Dolphin emulator.

Interesting...
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maybe you mean something like this?


I could see them producing this
Well, no. I said based on the Wii U controller. I was imagining something like the Wii U controller design thrown onto a classic controller minus the screen. Still, it would look pretty ugly.
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i won't buy it.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: I WANT NINTENDO TO SELL IT AT A LOSS
If this happesn Copy and paste the I won't buy it x500m times for me! I want company to make a profit off of me, or at least Nintendo because they Only are In the video game market, and the card market some. (Pokemon TCG, they own like 32% of Pokemon, and a few other Japanese exclusive cards.)
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CNET is reporting that the WiiU will be at CES. What will CES 2012 have in store for gaming? | CES 2012: Gaming - CNET Blogs

Only 3 weeks away...
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CNET is reporting that the WiiU will be at CES. What will CES 2012 have in store for gaming? | CES 2012: Gaming - CNET Blogs

Only 3 weeks away...
However, the will be the E3 units with the E3 demos.

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Nintendo is building a full-blown app store for the WiiU:

Selling point - WWW.THEDAILY.COM
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Selling point - WWW.THEDAILY.COM
I'm really excited about this it shows that Nintendo's taking a step in the right direction with the Wii U's online.
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I'm really excited about this it shows that Nintendo's taking a step in the right direction with the Wii U's online.


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I am excited for the appstore too as it can lure in indie developers and casual gamers. I would like to ask regarding Mario at launch....why does it have to be a mainline game? why not another sports title or Mario Paint?
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So how will the waving tablet over screen mechanic work if you're just playing on the controller?
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so as we know, the Wii U is coming out next year. I was wondering what you think will happen with the Wii next year? Confirmed 2012 games are:
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I hear the Wii will be getting a tablet controller and a name change to "Wii U."
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I hear the Wii will be getting a tablet controller and a name change to "Wii U."
Plus a huge jump in graphics and power.
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Plus a huge jump in graphics and power.
I thought Wii that fans didn't care about graphics. Gameplay is all that matters after all.
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What sucks is that the Wii is Nintendo's biggest home console success since the SNES. You would think that if they are gonna support it in 2012, they would end it with a bang.
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I thought Wii that fans didn't care about graphics. Gameplay is all that matters after all.
Huh? Are you directing that at me? I care about graphics, I can stand the Wii's graphics so long as the games I play aren't ugly, but Nintendo really does need to catch up in the graphics department.

For me it's still Gameplay > Graphics, a game shouldn't be ruled off as bad simply because it's under powered. Gameplay is the most important aspect, but graphics do play a role in the overall quality of a game.
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What sucks is that the Wii is Nintendo's biggest home console success since the SNES. You would think that if they are gonna support it in 2012, they would end it with a bang.
Sales wise it was a success, but other than that...
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Huh? Are you directing that at me? I care about graphics, I can stand the Wii's graphics so long as the games I play aren't ugly, but Nintendo really does need to catch up in the graphics department.
No, I was actually just abusing your post to make a statement about how Nintendo fans are really vocal about how graphics don't matter. But once the Wii U comes out, watch them get all smug about how much better the graphics are than the PS Triple and the Xbox 360.

Until the PS4 and the Nextbox get released, obviously.
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The Wii itself sold incredibly good, but the games...
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The only noteworthy gaming coming out for the wii is a game I already have here were I live. I think that the wii is at the end of it's life and will probably be outlived by the ds which will die out at the end of 2014. While the wii will disappear at the start of 2013 when the wii u gains noteworthy titles.
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The only noteworthy gaming coming out for the wii is a game I already have here were I live. I think that the wii is at the end of it's life and will probably be outlived by the ds which will die out at the end of 2014. While the wii will disappear at the start of 2013 when the wii u gains noteworthy titles.
LOL

The Wii is dead after Xenoblade. The DS is dying, too, after that pokemon crossover it will just cease to exist.
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Funny, on a Skyward Sword YouTube vid I was talking with a guy who was insisting that there would be another Zelda on the Wii within the next 5-7 years. xD
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I thought Wii that fans didn't care about graphics. Gameplay is all that matters after all.
Yeah, the Wii U will get a huge jump in graphics and power. It's also true that graphics aren't everything, indeed. Which is too bad considering it's the only major difference with the Wii.

The Wii U uses the same controllers as the Wii, apart from the tablet as the first controller. What does the tablet bring? A touch screen/second screen which we've had since the DS? A second analog stick which we've had since forever? The Wii U has no identity. They just decided to jump on the tablet-design bandwagon and did nothing with it. The Wii U sounds an awful lot like just the regular Wii with up-to-date graphics and an unconvincing peripheral. I doubt I'll be buying the Nintendo console this coming generation - for the second time in a row. They should just call it the "Wii ran out of ideas," because that's the message I got from it.

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The Wii U will probably sell just as good as the Wii.

Its the magic with nintendo products.
NO matter how rough at first they'll still sell.

The only thing that's worrying about the Wii U is the games.
Will it be like the Wii ?
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The Wii U will probably sell just as good as the Wii.

Its the magic with nintendo products.
NO matter how rough at first they'll still sell.

The only thing that's worrying about the Wii U is the games.
Will it be like the Wii ?
Hahahaha

Not at all, not at all. The market has changed.
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Hahahaha

Not at all, not at all. The market has changed.
^ This.

The casuals have moved on to cheaper pastures, and the core gamer got burned badly enough by the Wii not to fall for it again.

The Wii U will be Nintendo's mission impossible.
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The Wii U will probably sell just as good as the Wii.

Its the magic with nintendo products.
NO matter how rough at first they'll still sell.

The only thing that's worrying about the Wii U is the games.
Will it be like the Wii ?
The Wii U is going to be a hard sell to the casual family that owns a Wii. When an average consumer looks at a product, they look for what it add to the formula. A tablet, graphics, and power. It looks like a normal Wii. Why do I need to get this?
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Yeah, the Wii U will get a huge jump in graphics and power. It's also true that graphics aren't everything, indeed. Which is too bad considering it's the only major difference with the Wii.

The Wii U uses the same controllers as the Wii, apart from the tablet as the first controller. What does the tablet bring? A touch screen/second screen which we've had since the DS? A second analog stick which we've had since forever? The Wii U has no identity. They just decided to jump on the tablet-design bandwagon and did nothing with it. The Wii U sounds an awful lot like just the regular Wii with up-to-date graphics and an unconvincing peripheral. I doubt I'll be buying the Nintendo console this coming generation - for the second time in a row. They should just call it the "Wii ran out of ideas," because that's the message I got from it.
Isnt that true with most consoles though I mean look at xbox to xbox 360 what the difference improved online,graphics,controller. Ps2 to ps3 what the difference improve online ,better graphics.Gameboy to Gameboy advance Improve graphics. ps1 to ps2 the differences improve graphics and online.It seems to be the same old same old for the console industry.
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Ps2 to ps3 what the difference improve online ,better graphics
Well, there's also the Blu-ray player, streaming mediaplayer/DLNA support, fantastic online infrastructure, downloadable games, standard wireless controllers, etc.

There was quite a bit of very relevant improvement between those generations. And almost the same story also applied to the XBOX - XBOX360 jump.
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correction we want zelda in HD
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The Wii is pretty much over. It's time for the Wii U.

But the Wii actually sold pretty respectable numbers this holiday season- I think it came in second place behind the Xbox360 for the amount sold. I wouldn't say that the casual market have left.

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Yeah, the Wii U will get a huge jump in graphics and power. It's also true that graphics aren't everything, indeed. Which is too bad considering it's the only major difference with the Wii.
*sigh*

Did you even watch the concept video they showed?

It's not just a bigger DS with HD graphics.

Let's wait until E3 2012 before we start passing judgement.
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Well, there's also the Blu-ray player, streaming mediaplayer/DLNA support, fantastic online infrastructure, downloadable games, standard wireless controllers, etc.

There was quite a bit of very relevant improvement between those generations. And almost the same story also applied to the XBOX - XBOX360 jump.
Yeah but lots of those things can go into a certain groups like Online infrastructure and downloadable games can go into the improved online portion and for standard wireless controllers than can go into the improved controller section and remember the blu ray player is pretty much like a upgrade to Dvd player the ps2 had and the same can be said for gamecube to wii you wouldnt call that a hugh leap but it added the online functionaily (if you dont count that online thing the gamecube had for a couple of months) and a online store and some other online apps like netflix ,internet browser ,etc .
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^ This.

The casuals have moved on to cheaper pastures, and the core gamer got burned badly enough by the Wii not to fall for it again.

The Wii U will be Nintendo's mission impossible.
I guess they better call Tom Cruise then.
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Nintendo used the same strategy for the Wii's announcement to try and attract people to the Wii U: Reveal the console, then say "WE'RE MAKING ANOTHER SMASH BROS. FOR IT!". They announced a game that hasn't even been started on yet just to make you want the system. BULLS***!

Got a Wii for Brawl. Was highly disappointed not only in the game, but the fact that my Wii was pretty much collecting dust waiting for the game. Will not make that same mistake with the Wii U. Nintendo looks like they still haven't fully got it with their new system, so I will play the waiting game.
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2011 was the last year for the Wii.
It's pretty much a dead console here on out.

And I'm still not impressed by the Wii U. It seems like Nintendo just made a home console version of the DS. The controller being the bottom screen and your television being the top screen.

Added after 2 minutes:

I'll wait till E3 2012 to pass my full judgement on the console.

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After the releases of the remaining two Operation Rainfall games Wii will pretty much die. It's hardware is incredibly outdated and even making ports of simple Call of Duty games will be difficult, so it will dissapear around Q4 2012 - Q1 2013, basically around Wii U's launch.

However, we've seen almost nothing involving Wii U, so I consider waiting until E3 2012, where we can see its software. I also giggle at people actually considering it a bigger DS with graphics.
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It'll probably depend on the WiiU's success then. After the 3DS had its own identity crisis and a slow launch, I doubt Ninty would repeat that mistake. E3 2012 will probably feature some change to the console. In that case... yeah, Wii'll be dead by Q4 2012.
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In regard to the Wii, it looks like the Virtual Console will be my best friend this year. I'm currently playing Skyward Sword, and after that the last huge game I have yet to play is Prime 3. I might get Mario Party 9 if it gets good reviews.
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Nintendo took 6 years to make a console as powerful as the Xbox360 and the PS Triple which was released 5 and 6 years ago respectively

Power isnt everything but..

Good job Nintendo.
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Power isnt everything but..

Good job Nintendo.
Well its actually more powerful
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Well its actually more powerful
I thought the PS triple's cell processor is still king?

And its not a big of an improvement in power compared to the Xbox360 and PS triple right?
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Nintendo took 6 years to make a console as powerful as the Xbox360 and the PS Triple which was released 5 and 6 years ago respectively

Power isnt everything but..

Good job Nintendo.
They could've made a console as powerful as a PS3/360 in the year 2000 if they wanted.

It's just a question about what is the best compromise between power and cost. And we all know Wii was the most efficient at that.
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I thought the PS triple's cell processor is still king?

And its not a big of an improvement in power compared to the Xbox360 and PS triple right?
This is all that we know:

Spoiler!
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I thought the PS triple's cell processor is still king?

And its not a big of an improvement in power compared to the Xbox360 and PS triple right?
While think of it like this Its using I think a higher up amd radeon 4xxx series probably close to amd 5xxx series which I believe uses dx 11 feature but since its running open gl which had tessilation before dx Its possible it can use tessilation and dont foget resolution differences most xbox games run at 540p with about 25-30 fps and the wiiu can run the games it running at those resolution at 1080p that is I think twice the resolution if not more with graphical effects and I assume at a better fov so its actually quite a bit more powerful but its hard to see that power to a untrain eye.

Edit also like the post above me all we know is it a using an amd radeon serires its also possible its running on a 5xxx series not to mention that since its just a console and not a computer that will increase the graphical fidelity even more since of not having to worry about running windows and background programs that can slow down the game.So its safe to assume its near a gaming computer graphical level .
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First it was:
<Buramu>3DS is DOOMED!! Once the Vita releases it WILL kill it FOR SURE. </Buramu>

*3DS is not doomed, sells a LOT, and Vita is flopping extremely bad in Japan, the only region its predecessor was successful because of Monster Hunter, which Nintendo took.*

Now:
<Buramu>Wii U is doomed!! Once the PS4 (if Sony is still around by that time lololo)/ 720 (kinect machine) come out it WILL kill it!! </Buramu>

You are fools if you think Sony will release something significantly more powerful than the Wii U. Unless they keep up with their poor business decisions, that is. Fact is nobody will buy another $599 machine just because its more powerful.
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what was the projected price of the Wii U exactly?
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what was the projected price of the Wii U exactly?
All theyve said is that it will cost more than the Wii, which is obvious. They also said they dont want to repeat the 3DS launch mistake.

You have to be fooling yourself if you think Nintendo will sell that for $599. Nintendo isnt Sony. I say $350 tops.

Also, remember the prices people were guessing for the 3DS? Because I do: $350-$400. Result: $250.
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I've got plenty to do with my Wii later this year. I still have first-party titles I have to catch up on (New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Kirby's Return to Dream Land, Xenoblade, etc.) as well as a bunch of GameCube games that I missed out on in that generation and plan to get them and use the Wii's backwards compatibility to the fullest. I'm set.

As for the Wii U, I don't know about that. I mean, the thing's being released this year, and we're still in the dark about it. Reggie's said that Nintendo plans to make the Wii and the Wii U co-exist in the market - not sure how that would work, unless they mean that they'll only allow big games on the Wii U, and tell the developers who want to publish the "shovelware" for it to just downgrade it and port it to Wii, which even that I wouldn't know how to react to. It all comes down to what happens at E3 2012.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:32 PM
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I've got plenty to do with my Wii later this year. I still have first-party titles I have to catch up on (New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Kirby's Return to Dream Land, Xenoblade, etc.) as well as a bunch of GameCube games that I missed out on in that generation and plan to get them and use the Wii's backwards compatibility to the fullest. I'm set.

As for the Wii U, I don't know about that. I mean, the thing's being released this year, and we're still in the dark about it. Reggie's said that Nintendo plans to make the Wii and the Wii U co-exist in the market - not sure how that would work, unless they mean that they'll only allow big games on the Wii U, and tell the developers who want to publish the "shovelware" for it to just downgrade it and port it to Wii, which even that I wouldn't know how to react to. It all comes down to what happens at E3 2012.
That just something Nintendo always says it never happens.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:37 PM
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That just something Nintendo always says it never happens.
Exactly.

Anybody else remembers Nintendo's "3rd pillar"? lol

At least they supported the GBA a bit after the DS came out with things like Minish Cap, etc. But when the Wii came out they dropped that GameCube like a hot potato xD Maybe they wont drop the Wii completely as it's their most successful home console, but who knows.
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All theyve said is that it will cost more than the Wii, which is obvious. They also said they dont want to repeat the 3DS launch mistake.

You have to be fooling yourself if you think Nintendo will sell that for $599. Nintendo isnt Sony. I say $350 tops.

Also, remember the prices people were guessing for the 3DS? Because I do: $350-$400. Result: $250.
and even then it was still overpriced, Nintendo is yet to be humbled enough and whatever price be it $350 (I project 400-500) will be overpriced compared to what the competitors bring, once the WiiU comes out Sony and Msoft wont be far behind and I'm willing to bet their specs for their systems will be so much higher that it will be just a repeat of the difference between PS3 and Wii.
Old 01-01-2012, 11:50 PM
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I personally hated the wii, it was a huge disappointment to me. I still play my gamecube over it any day. I hope the Wii U makes it better.
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Also, remember the prices people were guessing for the 3DS? Because I do: $350-$400. Result: $250.
Haha, I actually do remember the price estimates, and no, they weren't $350-$400.

OT: The Wii can die after I get The Last Story and Pandora's Tower. As for the WiiU, I just need 5 must have exclusives and a reasonable price to bite.
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and even then it was still overpriced, Nintendo is yet to be humbled enough and whatever price be it $350 (I project 400-500) will be overpriced compared to what the competitors bring, once the WiiU comes out Sony and Msoft wont be far behind and I'm willing to bet their specs for their systems will be so much higher that it will be just a repeat of the difference between PS3 and Wii.
That the thing it wont since giving what we know all the engines that are going to big next gen runs fine on the wiiu and unless its about 4-5 year difference between when the wiiu released and the other next consoles they would be pretty close to each other in power.
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I think the Wii is close to it's end and maybe in a year or two you could get one for $100 maybe cheaper. The Wii U on the other hand still has hope. Consoles could only look so much better graphically, but there still gonna be HD. Nintendo has already made beautiful games on the Wii, imagine what they could do in HD. I'm sure when HD Mario or HD Zelda come out all eyes will be on the Wii U.
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and even then it was still overpriced, Nintendo is yet to be humbled enough and whatever price be it $350 (I project 400-500) will be overpriced compared to what the competitors bring, once the WiiU comes out Sony and Msoft wont be far behind and I'm willing to bet their specs for their systems will be so much higher that it will be just a repeat of the difference between PS3 and Wii.
Im not saying it wasnt over priced, I was just saying what people were saying it would cost, and in the end it did not cost that. it cost $250, much lower than what people were guessing. Not saying it wasnt still overpriced.

"Humbled enough"? Just like the Wii, right? We'll see about that. It will be $350 US dollars TOPS. Bet on it, they will not repeat the same mistake.

Sony is not in a good financial position, if you say the Wii I will cost 400-500, what will Ps4 cost if its significantly more powerful?

You can spin it whatever way you want, but the difference will not be as big, if there's any difference of significance. Sony is not in a good position financially, and Microsoft just started making profits by milking Kinect. Unless Sony want to go deeper into the red than they already are, and Microsoft cant comment much, but rumors say that 720 will be "2 360s ductaped together". We'll just have to wait and see, but I HIGHLY doubt the difference in power will be of significance.
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Well it's 2012 now so I consider the Wii officially dead, 2011 was it's fading out year. But that's fine since the Wii U can take off from where it left off while adding adding hardcore games and lots more processing power to the mix.
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Im not saying it wasnt over priced, I was just saying what people were saying it would cost, and in the end it did not cost that. it cost $250, much lower than what people were guessing. Not saying it wasnt still overpriced.

"Humbled enough"? Just like the Wii, right? We'll see about that. It will be $350 US dollars TOPS. Bet on it, they will not repeat the same mistake.

Sony is not in a good financial position, if you say the Wii I will cost 400-500, what will Ps4 cost if its significantly more powerful?

You can spin it whatever way you want, but the difference will not be as big, if there's any difference of significance. Sony is not in a good position financially, and Microsoft just started making profits by milking Kinect. Unless Sony want to go deeper into the red than they already are, and Microsoft cant comment much, but rumors say that 720 will be "2 360s ductaped together". We'll just have to wait and see, but I HIGHLY doubt the difference in power will be of significance.
most websites were citing the 3DS to cost $300, $50 is not what I would call "much lower" and the price of Sony's and Msoft's consoles are not directly related to the price of Nintendo consoles. to make such a connection just to justify your speculation on a lower price point for a relatively unknown product by a company that for the last decade has been selling their lower spec systems for a profit is just not logical.
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After the tepid launch of the 3DS, Nintendo will be careful to not overprice it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii U launched at $299 or even $250.