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Right now the only thing that interests me is Smash Bros., which won't be for some more years. The fact that it is coming to the 3DS in those years as well further more lowers my interest. I want to buy one, I really do, but I also need to see more.
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i won't buy it.
it needs: a proper online system (Nintendo is incapable of doing this) more tablets per system support. more power (enough so it wont be too obsolete the moment the ps4 and the nextbox enter the scene ) no friend codes multi touch screen bigger buttons remove the dual slide pads and add dual analogs. bigger d-pad slimmer and better trigger placement gamecube controller ports MOST IMPORTANTLY: I WANT NINTENDO TO SELL IT AT A LOSS Last edited by MikeHawk; 09-19-2011 at 11:45 PM. |
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I'll probably get one. But I shouldn't be stupid and get one right away like I did with the 3DS. If the price drops really fast, some NES games that I already have on my 3DS won't make up for it. Unless there's a Zelda launch title. Then it's easily a day one purchase. But that's highly unlikely.
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I'm pretty far convinced. Just because of the fact that it is a Nintendo console, and no matter what there will be games to play on it that I will enjoy. Plus, it's got a new Zelda and Super Smash Bros. confirmed. Just show me those and I will be set.
I'm not in love with the controller, but I've never been in love with Nintendo's gimmicks. Just make better games than the ones that were made on the Wii and I'll be happy. I'm just happy to see Nintendo finally go HD, and if that Zelda tech demo says anything, its games will be really nice looking. |
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Nintendo has totally screwed us over with the 3ds launch, alienating even some of it's most dedicated fans(Myself included). The seem to be taking their laziness and lack of care for their fans up a notch. Now they expect us to buy another one of their consoles after the debacle that was the 3ds. What would nintendo have to do to make you buy a Wii U? For me it would have to be
*Pikmin 3 with online multiplayer and a huge quest. *Vastly improved online * New Ip *announcement of retro's next project *affordable launch price * Metroid * Third party support This time a round will be the first time I will not buy a nintendo system at launch. I will no longer take empty promises as an incentive to buy their system. I will need solid prove of all to above. The PS4 and Nextbox will be more powerful than it so the hardware itself doesn't have me convinced. They will have to do everything they can to win my money this time. I will not be tricked into another 3ds. |
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1. Answer to the poll- NO
2. Why?- Because I dont trust Nintendo launches anymore. I will easily wait and see how the Wii U goes. There are so many games on competing consoles that I want right now, that I really do NOT even remotely NEED a new console. Especially a new Nintendo console. 3. My opinion so far. The Wii U is another gimicky console, but this time will barely appeal to the casual gamers that loved the wii, let alone the mass market customers that are longtime Nintendo gamers. History is what is keeping me from buying the Wii U right now. And the fact that in addition to the ONE new controller that the system is utilizing, game maker have the option to utilize the Wiimote that I hate. I also fear that it will still house tons of shovelware, and the only games that will appeal will be Nintendo made, since any and all multiconsole releases will be using my preferred control scheme, being the Xbox 360 controller. Also, I am not sold on the controller by an means. I would prefer to analog sticks, not two Slide Pads. I think Nintendo will yet again fall behind on the Online components that people expect on a console. Last edited by Inoperable Brain Tumor; 10-19-2011 at 12:24 AM. |
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We don't have a Wii U section here, and several members here aren't members at Wii U forums, so I made this thread so that we would have a centralized place to discuss the console on this forum.
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There isn't enough info out right now to definitively say either way. Nintendo is being really tight lipped about everything surrounding it, so that makes me think they've yet to show a few aces. This E3 was just to show it off so that people know it's coming and showing off the new controller, next E3 is where they will most likely start giving details.
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Though i'm thoroughly happy with my 3DS so far, and that's before all the big games, it's good to see that Nintendo is listening to the negativity aimed at it and trying not to make the same mistakes they have made with it for the launch of the WiiU.
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The 3DS is the third disappointment in a row for me (fourth if you count the lousy 3rd party support on the Cube). And seeing how truly awful the Wii has been and how incapable Nintendo is of doing anything new, I have no intention of coming anywhere near a Wii U.
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With the PS Vita coming out next year, I think 1 hardware purchase will be enough for me, since I still have the Wii, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, and 3DS to play. Ill be waiting on the Wii U. And probably will NOT end up buying it, unless Nintendo suprise me with some great stuff, which I highly doubt.
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I am not convinced to buy one yet. If it gets interesting exclusives, then maybe. I wouldn't care if there is no online system honestly. Just good 3rd party exclusives. I just bought a PS3, so I will either get multi-platform games on it or my PC. No need to buy another console that plays the same games.
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The Wii has indeed supported a load of crappy casual games that are not interesting at all, but you must not forget games like Zeldas, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, NSMB, a good version of RE4, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc. The WiiU, looks in my eyes something that can only go wrong on third party support, though.
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I will not buy another Nintendo system at launch. I have to question the good sense behind buying any new system at launch. Give them time to work the kinks out, then make a good decision. Nintendo is clearly making moves in the right direction, but they obviously still want to go their own way. And I simply don't trust them to figure out which of their ideas are brilliant and which are completely stupid.
Nintendo has to determine to do a lot of things differently. Providing hardware that stays relevant even if it's not the most powerful on the market, constructing games that amaze in both gameplay and production value (more orchestrated music, please), and providing sensible, convenient, and unobtrusive services. That's a tall order for anyone, even the supposedly more "modern" gaming companies (I'm looking at you, EA). There's certainly an opening for them, if they truly want to bring their unique sensibilities to a market that they have to admit is no longer completely shaped by them. And I seriously think they have it in them to do this if they try. The Slide Pad Expansion, as hated as it is, is a representation of a company that knows they screwed up. Call it "too little, too late" if you want, but it's there; Nintendo knows they have to change somehow, and I assume they know it's not going to be pretty. They're slowly expanding the features they offer, getting closer to the ideal modern gaming experience- offering what's necessary in today's market, while still bringing their own twist to the table. Will the Wii U continue this- maybe in one giant leap? I don't know, but I know that for all Nintendo is trying, they don't deserve my trust. Yet. I'm remaining optimistic, but I'm not going to spend a single penny on it until I know it will be worth it to me. I'll be watching, since if anything can tear me away from my gaming PC, it's Nintendo.
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IDK, I dont think I will be investing in a WiiU at launch or in a year or two after launch as many on here have said. It just seems that since the Wii launch Ninty have been playing catch up with M$ and Sony ever since, and I feel they will launch the WiiU and it will be great for a year with all the 'ports', then (no brainer)M$ and Sony will drop their next systems and WiiU will be way behind once again.
Sure the WiiU will have the Marios(X a million), Zeldas, Pikmins, Metroids etc but there will also be a hell of a lot of shovelware for the system I am sure of it! Also with this 'bitter' statement from Nintendo, I do hope they have gone back to the drawing board with the design of the WiiU system and changed it so it does not look like the love child of a WiiX360 and come up with something else. The WiiU Tablet, I am completely not sold on this, I dont care if it can act as another screen when people want to watch telly, or can act as a rear view mirror in games, just bring back an updated Gamecube controller Ninty!!!! Also, anyone remember when Nintendo said that the Next system will look like a SNES? What happened there???? Anyone??? I think they have gone about this all wrong tbh. I will not be buying one. I have a Wii(hacked to bits) and X360, GBA(Zelda edition :-p) and a 3DS. Too many systems and not enough time to get to them. The X360 and PS3 have enough life left in them for the next 3 or so years, all games will be out for them and be badly ported with gimmicks to the WiiU. Whats the Point. I love Nintendo, but I kinda hate them too over the past 6 years. I think this could be the worst launch for a Ninty System ever(no matter what games they have coming out), they will lose the casual audience and us 'hardcore' audience will wait it out for a few years (as is common sence) so see what happens. UGH, GET RID OF THE WIIMOTOES/TALBLETS AND BRING BACK A REAL CONTROLLER NINTY! I am sick of my wrists hurting everytime I give the Wii a chance. Last edited by dublin3ds; 10-30-2011 at 01:37 PM. |
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Wii U isn't really "Next-gen"?
I mean, this seems like the system that should have been released instead of the Wii. The Wii U looks only a little more powerful then the PS3. If this was released years ago, I would be hyped to the moon, but sadly, that isn't the case. Also, to the people saying "Yes" or "No", how can you actually answer? We have so little info that it really doesn't make sense to pass judgement yet. I think the people saying "yes" are just saying it for fanboy reasons, and the people saying "no" are thinking it will be like the Wii. (Which I hope to god doesn't happen.) |
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More than likely no, just not sold on the idea of holding a tablet style contoller for gaming.
I'm sure NINTENDO has some great ideas up there sleeves but still I'm still a bit hesitant about the whole thing. Too many unknowns for me to say for sure. Is it going to be multi-touch? What will the screen res of the contoller be?(From what i've read not that great and maybe 480P but stiill to early to tell) It better have good battery life . What's with the stylus? (That also implies that it's a resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one like the iPhone and iPad.) isn't it time to put that in the past. Is anyone else turned off about the color choice of the Wii U? Now I know it's a very minor issue to most and the final version could change but I just don't like the all white look. I think an all black version would look much sleeker and sexier. Just my 2 cents. Last edited by MOFO; 10-31-2011 at 06:46 AM. |
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I think something we should be asking is: can a Nintendo system in this day and age be successful without some kind of gimmick? They made the Gamecube different from its competition by using smaller discs which while unique only limited the console's potential. Then came the Wii with its motion controls that surprised even Nintendo with its popularity amongst casual gamers. Now the upcoming Wii U with its tablet-like controller which we are yet to see whether it is successful or not; though i doubt it will be as successful as the Wii. |
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I think Nintendo is just a company that paces themselves. They released the Wii which is basically a Gamecube with slightly better graphical capabilities and motion controls. They use their hardware out, milk every bit of it as they can and then move on. The Wii U isn't really a next next gen imo, but I really feel that it isn't in the same class as the Ps3 or 360. It's more like a half gen above them, but as we saw with the Wii that's what they do. The Wii definitely made up for the low sales of the Gamecube. 89.36 million worldwide is a pretty big number even though it didn't have HD graphics. The point I'm trying to make is: Nintendo stretches their consoles for as long as they can, and as we saw with the Wii, they tend to use every ounce of old stuff before using their new stuff. You really think they couldn't make the Wii HD with badass graphics like the Ps3? You really think the Wii was the most tech advanced thing they could come up with? Don't be naive. By waiting this long to release an HD console, Nintendo has successfully preserved their future. Think about it, how much more can TVs and Video game graphics evolve? Unless they are going to have holograms anytime soon, I see HD lasting a pretty long time. So what will the Ps4 have in terms of tech? The same Ps3 but a little faster and repackaged with motion controls and 3D games. Imo Nintendo is no where near dying. The Wii U will be a success. Why? Easy. Nintendo already has an audience of 89 million users, all of those people have or have had a Wii. Now sprinkle in a tablet controller, HD graphics, the same games you can get on other consoles plus the casual friendly games all those people bought a Wii for annnnd a competitive price that will look real good when sony's 500 dollar monster comes rolling out with the exact same graphics and you have success. Most of you wouldn't have called the Wii a next gen console, but it sold.
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On the topic of resistive versus capacitive touchscreens, I think Nintendo made absolutely the right decision in this case. I know that millions of people game on capacitive touchscreens with Angry Birds and the like, but I simply can't stand controlling games like that. A capacitive touchscreen is nowhere near as accurate as a resistive one, even on my 10 inch Motorola Xoom tablet. Far too often the game will misjudge the area of the screen I tapped, misinterpret a tap as a scroll, or the area I need to select is too small to accurately hit with my finger. The DS- and by extension, the 3DS- has none of these problems. I don't think you can call that a design flaw, it's just designing the hardware to suit the games that are going to be played on it.
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I rather have a screen that misses my swipe or press a few times which i can instanly repress if needed then having to take out a pencil and press on the screen. Besides that, i rather have a screen that can have multiple commands at once possible then a screen thats unable to do so. If you want a pencil, i'm sure you can get one even for the multitouch screens. and lets be real, where do you need that absolute exact precise solution for anyway? It was pushed on mobiles and pocket pc's back in the days because of low resolution / small screens that where nowhere near touch friendly. they stamped a ton of selections inside those screens which where unable to be pressed by a finger. I dont see why at this date such a touch screen still has any use other then cheap out on stuff. |
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Honestly, one of the main reasons I will most likely get a Wii U is because you can use all the Wii stuff with it(Wii mote, classic controller stuff like that) So all I have to do is sell my Wii a day before the launch of the Wii U and I will have a slight piece of the price reduced. Seems fair...
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There are plenty of great games that aren't violent, but great at the same time. I just haven't had a console other than Wii and 3ds in a long time, and I'm really craving some grotesque mayhem! Okay? Is it really a problem for you? Did my yearning for guts and blood really offend you that much??? |
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Yea, but the way you say violent bolded just makes it sound different from just getting more mature games. I don't play games to see blood and guts and explosions every 10 seconds. If I wanted to see that then I would go see nay Michael Bay movie ever made. There can be violence in games to moderation and still be great because of balancing that out with other things like story. Games like Bioshock have some violence, yet not just base the games almost off of it.
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I didn't really care for Bioshock.
It just really seems like you are judging me because I said I want to have a console that can play super mario and a game like Grand Theft Auto... I mean, I don't really play a game unless it has one of the following if not all: 1. Interesting gameplay 2. A brilliant story 3. Compelling online play if it doesn't have any of those then I will likely hate the game. Take that game [Prototype]. That game was extremely violent, and I hated it. It had none of the listed things. I wasn't implying that violence makes a game great. Take Heavy Rain or Indigo Prophecy Those games were amazing, and had little violence. What I'm trying to say is I don't judge a game solely on its violence content, and I don't want you to think that of me. I made it bold as a more ironic way of saying I want a game that is a leap away from the nintendo tradition. Having a console with both would be easier on my wallet. |
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The Wii solution is nothing like this. It's more a traditional leap like previous Nintendo consoles (ex:Gamecube,N64,SNES).
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dx10 is outdated at this time, dx10 hardware is pathetic at tessellation even while they support it with other low level api's. In order to actually use it you will have to get propper hardware. 1000gflops are uninteresting really, the gtx560 has 1000gflops too. does that mean both are equal as fast. hell no. its not even close. gflops are outdated way to measure performance really. the 4850 is probably hitting half the 260 performance on top of it. thats how useless those numbers are. To be more to the point, i dont even think the 4850 for example is going to hit 3x more performance then a single gtx 7800 ( this gen console ). probably more around the 2+. Still the question is if they even did go that high on that model department. the wii was rumored back in the day to have around xbox360 power just a tad lower. Before nintendo actually says this is our hardware i will believe them. Or until i see tech demo's that break themselves free from current gen and frankly the tech demo's from the e3 are nothing more then more of now. Hell even nintendo developers mentioned that the wii u isn't much more powerful then current gen devices. the 1080p resolution impact over 720p or even 540p (dx10 aka alan wake titles ), the second screen and a 4000 series gpu simple are not pushing things far further then current consoles operate on. For a real next generation jump you will have to atleast think about current date gpu's if not future gpu's that are about to hit the market next year. push in a mid range 7000 series, or a 600 series next year. or put atleast as minimal solution a 6950 or a 560 inside it to actually make a jump forwards even if it isn't a generation ahead. it atleast gives room for the future. a 4000 series card isn't bringing you anything other then a 1080p ps3/xbox360 game unless the game is rendered around 720p they maybe can boost up some solutions but other then a minor jump its not going to hit it. the wii u is pretty much like the wii was back in that day, a minor jump over the current generation. |
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RUMOR - Wii U specs roughly match up with Xbox 360 | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for? This information comes from a supposed Japanese dev that is working on porting a PS3 game to Wii U. - Quad Core, 3 GHz PowerPC-based 45nm CPU - 768 MB of DRAM ?embedded? with the CPU, and shared between CPU and GPU - Unknown, 40nm ATI-based GPU - two test models, one with 768 MB of RAM, and another with 1GB - RAM is embedded with the processor
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Well there is a strong rumor that Microsoft and Sony are making the "Next generation systems" the 9th Generation and the Wii U has been set as a 8th generation so that rumor scare us a bit Well i like Xbox but...
Another things that "feeds" this rumor it's that Epic games Said "this is the game that close with the Xbox 360 just like Halo 2 in the original Xbox" and Halo 4 it's officially announce do they really think they can beat Microsoft "Pet" or Halo 4 it's for "the next generation system" Last edited by artu165; 12-02-2011 at 10:56 PM. |
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You can see the original article here: Wii U has quad core 3GHz CPU, 768 MB of RAM | WiiUDaily
Not sure I buy it.
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In recent months ago of Nintendo's worse start with 3DS but now I can actually see Nintendo's starting to step into positive future with Wii U and 3DS. Nintendo have took many risks to make a good future for them. as in a opportunity cost.
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"WOW this it's Awesome this Graphics are Great and the gameplay it easy and just, wow.. i don't think Someone can make something better than this" NOW look around you did you thought that will get something like this (3D graphics, HD, Internet, Online Gaming) that where just in the dreams of someones. and we are not over technology evolve so I think in the future we can see better things that we can just imagine right now but in 25 years... |
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if they push out a 4000 series amd, and microsoft goes for a 7000 series that performs pretty much the same as top tier 6000 series card only it has dx11.1 implanted ( windows 8 solution ). how can the wii push out the game on there hardware if developers decide to push the xbox3 towards 720p / 30 fps solutions? the question is going to be more, will developers support the wii-u this time around and base there games around it much like how PC gaming is getting holded back massively through having nothing more then a bit polished console games that run terrible unoptimized on top of it. But are developers really going to do that with nintendo? highly doubt it. Last edited by gatygun; 12-03-2011 at 12:07 AM. |
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It's pretty crazy that Nintendo is going to try to keep the Wii going while the Wii U is released. I mean it was pretty obvious they would do this, but I don't really see where the Wii can go. I mean what Nintendo ips would be on the wii instead of the wii u?
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Am I the only one that hopes the wii u ends up looking a little different than that? Idk to me it's bland and boring. The controller is cool but why does all technology have to be white or black? Why can't we get blue or red gray or purple even. White is so bland, and black is worse. I mean all of the consoles are starting to look the same.. Z
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Things nintendo are adding into the WiiU I like
- A form of online names ditching friend codes (which I hate) and will be, similar to 360 "gamertags" as ubisoft stated. - Games will be able to run in 1080P HD (can't wait for a zelda HD or super smash bros HD game) - WIIU sports a "achievements" system, a different name though (not sure which). - The online system in total has been overhauled and built to be more efficient (good job nintendo) - Ability for third party developers to release DLC/Patches Can't wait for the WIIU Last edited by Sir Lethal; 12-03-2011 at 10:17 AM. |
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"This game is for the WiiU. Well, what's the difference between that and the Wii? The game will probably run on the Wii too, right? Well they look the same anyway, they're both probably the same." In my opinion(and this is an opinion), Nintendo's continuance of the Wii branding was a horrible mistake. Nintendo can expect loyal customers to buy the WiiU, but gamers who were turned off by the Shovelware reputation of the Wii won't flock to buy what they would see as a continuation. As for Nintendo's reliance on the non-gamer crowd, most of them probably don't know what the WiiU actually is, probably making the mistake of thinking it's a Wii add-on. Additionally, even if they weren't confused by the WiiU, they probably still wouldn't flock to buy it, as non-gamers simply are not accustomed to the constant upgrading/5 year cycles that we gamers have been living with for the longest time. To me, Nintendo's whole Blue Ocean Strategy simply isn't sustainable. But then again, that's just conjecture. None of what I said has been proven AT ALL. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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If they simply price the Wii U appropriately, and not screw up like they did with the 3DS, then they can get things going rather well. With the non-gamer crowd, the pricing is most critical. It also helps to release a Zelda or Mario at launch too. I'm fairly certain Skyward Sword helped pull in a lot of those numbers. |
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I think the Wii branding is fine. Sure I admit when i first heard the name I was like "DA F**?!", but it's growing on me now, and I dont think there will be the confusion. I think people underestimate the 'soccer moms'. Ive heard people talking about when a new Wii was coming out. The whole "Wii U = the controller" confusion could be easily resolved by naming the controller something along the lines of "tablechuk" (lol) or whatever.
I doubt the Wii U will be like the 3DS because Wii never got revisions. "Introducing the Wii U, the next gen successor to the Wii. HD graphics, blablabla, and the new Tablechuk controller which features a touch screen, etc, etc" Im sure they can communicate it well to the consumers.
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If the games are there it will be bought by me. I am just wondering if it will be bought by the general populace. People tend to be stupid, and they might think that the Wii U is just a new slimmer wii. They also might think the controller is a seperate tablet. The list goes on. It amazes my how stupid people are some times.
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I'm looking forward to the WiiU release if anything just to see how it affects the 3DS. I get the feeling they will try to integrate at least the online. As of right now I see the next gen belonging to Nintendo and Microsoft. But a lot could change between now and then. Interesting read I found http://www.made2game.com/articles/Fe...work-on-Wii-U/ Last edited by Azure-Edge; 12-10-2011 at 07:19 AM. |
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How would call of duty or any shoot work on the tablet controller? Doesn't it only have one trigger on each side? And how would you sprint? I'm willing the bet those circle pads don't click. A racing sim would be badass on the wii u!!!!! You could have the normal over the car camera angle on the tv, but when you hold the tablet up you see the "in cockpit" view or dashboard view on the tablet screen. You then proceed to steer with the tablet like a steering wheel!!! Yes? Do you think this will happen? The same could be done with ace combat or star fox Do you think that^^^is a good idea? |
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Hopefully there are other controller options, the one thing I hated about the wii is how for far to long everything had to be motion controls. Please have a classic controller from day 1 and on't force all games into using two screens.
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I hope they keep the pointer controls as an option as well because to me it feels like a downgrade to go back to dual sticks. Just like it would feel like a downgrade to me if they go back to button controls in Zelda.
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I'm hoping for a secondary controller than can be use instead of the original Wii U controller. Sort of like Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, but not nearly as crappy. I absolutely hated that you had to plug in the Classic controller into the Wiimote instead of it being wireless. It felt cheap and light. Hopefully something on par with the Ps3 or 360 controller. Something that feels legitimate.
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Still, A classic controller based on the Wii U controller wouldn't solve my "2 anolog sticks" problem. Circle Pads are great and all, but they aren't the same. *By that I mean that in most games I have on the game cube, the C stick is used more as a button rather than an anolog stick.
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If I'm playing a FPS, I don't want to touch the touchscreen to crouch, sprint, zoom in, or whatever. If you want to move them to other buttons, you just move the problem. Having a classic controller peripheral also doesn't help developers. Their controls have to work with the controller that comes in the box. |
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I don't see how the Upad lacking clickable analog sticks automatically means that multiplatform titles will be controlled awkwardly on the Wii U. It's not like with the Wiimote where there are very few buttons and it's wildly different than the competition's controllers.
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In addition, any difference in controls is undesirable in the realm of shooters. This is the audience that won't play certain shooters because zoom in is on the right analog stick button rather than the left trigger, or vice versa. You want the control experience to be homogenized as possible so muscle memory doesn't have to be reprogrammed. And as an aside, I am willing to bet that all multiplatform shooters will control awkwardly if they don't have all the buttons the other controllers do. |
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A wireless classic controller pro option would be cool. So far for launch titles we have:
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In that case, the issue about the analog sticks makes a bit more sense when thinking about games like COD, Battlefield, etc. But kind of doubt that the audience you're referring to in your post would buy a Wii U even if the controller was absolutely perfect. :/ |
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And on a side not, I'm wondering how they will Madden on this, because that actually is a big deal for the scale of the game. On the Wii it has always been a completely watered down and kiddy port-like version. I wonder if they will try to make a legitimate version now that therei s HD. |
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Well, no. I said based on the Wii U controller. I was imagining something like the Wii U controller design thrown onto a classic controller minus the screen. Still, it would look pretty ugly.
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CNET is reporting that the WiiU will be at CES. What will CES 2012 have in store for gaming? | CES 2012: Gaming - CNET Blogs
Only 3 weeks away...
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so as we know, the Wii U is coming out next year. I was wondering what you think will happen with the Wii next year? Confirmed 2012 games are:
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For me it's still Gameplay > Graphics, a game shouldn't be ruled off as bad simply because it's under powered. Gameplay is the most important aspect, but graphics do play a role in the overall quality of a game.
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The only noteworthy gaming coming out for the wii is a game I already have here were I live. I think that the wii is at the end of it's life and will probably be outlived by the ds which will die out at the end of 2014. While the wii will disappear at the start of 2013 when the wii u gains noteworthy titles.
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The Wii is dead after Xenoblade. The DS is dying, too, after that pokemon crossover it will just cease to exist.
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The Wii U uses the same controllers as the Wii, apart from the tablet as the first controller. What does the tablet bring? A touch screen/second screen which we've had since the DS? A second analog stick which we've had since forever? The Wii U has no identity. They just decided to jump on the tablet-design bandwagon and did nothing with it. The Wii U sounds an awful lot like just the regular Wii with up-to-date graphics and an unconvincing peripheral. I doubt I'll be buying the Nintendo console this coming generation - for the second time in a row. They should just call it the "Wii ran out of ideas," because that's the message I got from it. Last edited by Yanikun; 01-01-2012 at 03:01 PM. |
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The Wii U will probably sell just as good as the Wii.
Its the magic with nintendo products. NO matter how rough at first they'll still sell. The only thing that's worrying about the Wii U is the games. Will it be like the Wii ?
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Not at all, not at all. The market has changed.
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The casuals have moved on to cheaper pastures, and the core gamer got burned badly enough by the Wii not to fall for it again. The Wii U will be Nintendo's mission impossible. |
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The Wii is pretty much over. It's time for the Wii U.
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Nintendo used the same strategy for the Wii's announcement to try and attract people to the Wii U: Reveal the console, then say "WE'RE MAKING ANOTHER SMASH BROS. FOR IT!". They announced a game that hasn't even been started on yet just to make you want the system. BULLS***!
Got a Wii for Brawl. Was highly disappointed not only in the game, but the fact that my Wii was pretty much collecting dust waiting for the game. Will not make that same mistake with the Wii U. Nintendo looks like they still haven't fully got it with their new system, so I will play the waiting game.
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2011 was the last year for the Wii.
It's pretty much a dead console here on out. And I'm still not impressed by the Wii U. It seems like Nintendo just made a home console version of the DS. The controller being the bottom screen and your television being the top screen. Added after 2 minutes: I'll wait till E3 2012 to pass my full judgement on the console. Last edited by PixelKnot; 01-01-2012 at 06:45 PM. |
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After the releases of the remaining two Operation Rainfall games Wii will pretty much die. It's hardware is incredibly outdated and even making ports of simple Call of Duty games will be difficult, so it will dissapear around Q4 2012 - Q1 2013, basically around Wii U's launch.
However, we've seen almost nothing involving Wii U, so I consider waiting until E3 2012, where we can see its software. I also giggle at people actually considering it a bigger DS with graphics.
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It'll probably depend on the WiiU's success then. After the 3DS had its own identity crisis and a slow launch, I doubt Ninty would repeat that mistake. E3 2012 will probably feature some change to the console. In that case... yeah, Wii'll be dead by Q4 2012.
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Nintendo took 6 years to make a console as powerful as the Xbox360 and the PS Triple which was released 5 and 6 years ago respectively
Power isnt everything but.. Good job Nintendo.
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And its not a big of an improvement in power compared to the Xbox360 and PS triple right?
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It's just a question about what is the best compromise between power and cost. And we all know Wii was the most efficient at that. |
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Edit also like the post above me all we know is it a using an amd radeon serires its also possible its running on a 5xxx series not to mention that since its just a console and not a computer that will increase the graphical fidelity even more since of not having to worry about running windows and background programs that can slow down the game.So its safe to assume its near a gaming computer graphical level .
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<Buramu>3DS is DOOMED!! Once the Vita releases it WILL kill it FOR SURE. </Buramu> *3DS is not doomed, sells a LOT, and Vita is flopping extremely bad in Japan, the only region its predecessor was successful because of Monster Hunter, which Nintendo took.* Now: <Buramu>Wii U is doomed!! Once the PS4 (if Sony is still around by that time lololo)/ 720 (kinect machine) come out it WILL kill it!! </Buramu> You are fools if you think Sony will release something significantly more powerful than the Wii U. Unless they keep up with their poor business decisions, that is. Fact is nobody will buy another $599 machine just because its more powerful.
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You have to be fooling yourself if you think Nintendo will sell that for $599. Nintendo isnt Sony. I say $350 tops. Also, remember the prices people were guessing for the 3DS? Because I do: $350-$400. Result: $250.
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I've got plenty to do with my Wii later this year. I still have first-party titles I have to catch up on (New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Kirby's Return to Dream Land, Xenoblade, etc.) as well as a bunch of GameCube games that I missed out on in that generation and plan to get them and use the Wii's backwards compatibility to the fullest. I'm set.
As for the Wii U, I don't know about that. I mean, the thing's being released this year, and we're still in the dark about it. Reggie's said that Nintendo plans to make the Wii and the Wii U co-exist in the market - not sure how that would work, unless they mean that they'll only allow big games on the Wii U, and tell the developers who want to publish the "shovelware" for it to just downgrade it and port it to Wii, which even that I wouldn't know how to react to. It all comes down to what happens at E3 2012.
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Anybody else remembers Nintendo's "3rd pillar"? lol At least they supported the GBA a bit after the DS came out with things like Minish Cap, etc. But when the Wii came out they dropped that GameCube like a hot potato xD Maybe they wont drop the Wii completely as it's their most successful home console, but who knows.
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I think the Wii is close to it's end and maybe in a year or two you could get one for $100 maybe cheaper. The Wii U on the other hand still has hope. Consoles could only look so much better graphically, but there still gonna be HD. Nintendo has already made beautiful games on the Wii, imagine what they could do in HD. I'm sure when HD Mario or HD Zelda come out all eyes will be on the Wii U.
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"Humbled enough"? Just like the Wii, right? We'll see about that. It will be $350 US dollars TOPS. Bet on it, they will not repeat the same mistake. Sony is not in a good financial position, if you say the Wii I will cost 400-500, what will Ps4 cost if its significantly more powerful? You can spin it whatever way you want, but the difference will not be as big, if there's any difference of significance. Sony is not in a good position financially, and Microsoft just started making profits by milking Kinect. Unless Sony want to go deeper into the red than they already are, and Microsoft cant comment much, but rumors say that 720 will be "2 360s ductaped together". We'll just have to wait and see, but I HIGHLY doubt the difference in power will be of significance.
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