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I'll start with two subjects.

First of all, there are people who say that we, PC gamers, have to constantly upgrade our computer parts in order to play the latest games. Do you agree with that?

Second, L.A. Noire is officially coming to the PC. The package comes with the game and all of the DLC the console version currently have. It's currently available for pre-order on Steam. What do you have to say about this?

L.A. Noire has never looked very good to me, graphically sure it's great but the gameplay seems to be lacking. I would much prefer Red Dead Redemption on PC but even that wasn't that great a game, from what i have played of it there is way too many cutscenes and boring missions; though it is a western GTA so that is to be expected.

Do we have to upgrade? No. If you build a good PC right the first time it will last you for a very very long time. Will it be able to run all the games maxed a few years after its been built without upgrading? No, but it will easily look better than the console still. If you upgrade it can still max out games, this is the advantage to it.

I built my computer 1 year 2 months ago and I haven't had to upgrade a single piece to run all games on PC maxed out.

Let's share specs ( e-peen time ):

i7 870 ( will be OCing when needed )
Coolermaster Hyper 212+ push/pull
16 gb of 1600 mhz g.skill ram
580 gtx slight OC but no voltage raised
CoolerMaster Storm Scout with 1 extra R4
Antec TP 750w
3~ tb of 7200 rpm HDD's
*Wants 3 more TB, 256 GB Sata III SSD, 2nd 580 GTX*

Steam games: 78

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To the first question, I disagree with and believe lots of people over react on how expansive it is to upgrade,Also many believe you have to buy a new computer which is not the case at all unless you game with a laptop or one of those people who buy Micro desktops the majority of PC gamers like myself have a Big Tower and you can upgrade them part by part. (just make sure to be careful and get good cooling if you are a beginner as you dont want to fry you system lol)
Which can be pretty cheep if you look around but If you want to play max on everything you might have to put in a little more cash .
Tip: Dont by a alienware please a little bit of me dies inside each time a person does.

The big issue here is not the framerate not being up to the task, its more that new features are pushed out on new setups that i wanna have.

I skipped the first generation of dx11 because the cards where simple said lackbusting in comparison what i still had. the 500 series where interesting for sure but i could easily have sit out even this upcoming lineup with my 3 year old setup with everything maxed out. the 280's basically runned about the same as 1 gtx580 still on frame rates. ( they died because my pc basically runs 24/7, which the gtx280's didn't liked )

I would surely still get with 280's a stable 30fps on high settings out of bf3 or metro2033. specially as tesselation etc isn't available on dx10. These days upgrading isn't really needed if you buy indeed a solid PC from the start for the fps. Its more needed for additional features that you miss out on with new dx generations.

Its that my PC died out earlier then aspected which made me replace my hardware for DX11 hardware.

I would say, a high end PC can last you because of consoles these days easily 3+ years with still everything maxed on a 30+ fps. If my gtx280 didn't die, i would surely get 4+ years out of it before jumping the upgrade solution.

I sold my old hardware and bougth new hardware and spended about 1k euro's in order to form a new setup a year ago ( mobo/cpu/mem/gpu's )

I builded like a year ago ( on 580gtx release date )
i7 870 ( oced towards 4ghz )
8gb of ddr3 ( some fast speed, got to check it at my pc which versions exactly )
2x gtx 580's oced models, could get them cheap at a place
1x gtx 280 oced for physics and extra screens
1000w antec powersuply
2x 2tb 7200rmp hd's + 200gb sdd harddisk for windows and programs i use often
3 screens 2x 19 inch one used for movies, one used for other stuff like browsing etc. 1 main screen 27 inch 2ms 1920x1200 for gaming.

I know people in the branch who always give me a big discount on stuff. ( i basically buy there benchmark stuff.

This is my set up.
Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5620
Hyper-Threading technology for up to 16 virtual cores
ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB of GDDR5
ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB of GDDR5
16gb ram

When I get some extra money put away that I can spend on a new computer, I am probably going to put it toward a laptop instead of building my own tower, even tho I really want to. Problem is, I dont really use the PC for gaming very much. But I probably would if I had a kick ass system.

I just dont know, Im torn.

AMD Phenom II x6 1090T Black Edition (3.2GHz)
XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB
16GB Gskill RipJaws DDR3
NZXT M59 Gaming Case

Here are my specs.

Mobo : ASUS Rampage III Extreme
CPU : Inte Core i7 920 overclocked at 3.2 Ghz
CPU Cooler : Thermalight Venomous X w/ 2 fans
Memory : 3x 2 GB (6 GB) of DDR3, 1333 Mhz by G-Skill
Graphics : EVGA NVidia GeForce GTX 580, 1536 MB of GDDR5
PSU : 1000W Corsair modular power supply
Hard drive : 1 TB, 7200 RPM
Optical drive : An LG optical drive that can burn everything, even Blu-Ray discs.
Case : AzzA Solano 1000

Monitor : ASUS VH242H, 24", 1920x1080
Keyboard : Microsoft Sidewinder X6
Mouse : Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Headset : Logitech G35

So I want a gaming computer. My family can afford one. The problem is my dad does not see the benefits of it compared to console. (We have a PS3.) Can you guys help me think of some ways to persuade him into getting the family a gaming computer?

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Well, there are many PC exclusive games that are legendary classics: Rollercoaster Tycoon, Age of Empires, and great MMORPGs.
A gaming PC would allow for these games to be played perfectly and efficiently- much better than an average computer.
Typically, gaming computers are more powerful with graphics and sound, so you should never have a problem there either.

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Modding.
Better looking games.
You can do a lot of stuff other than gaming, and those functions will be blazingly fast too.
Games that Valve and Blizzard make.
Mouse & Keyboard better for FPS games.
Civilization V.
Steam.

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cheezyphil won this thread. Even if I'm not a fan of Civ V and Blizzard.

Everything cheezyphil said, and more on Steam. The constant sales make it soooo easy to get a game cheap. While the PC's are expensive getting the games themselves don't have to be if you wait.

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Also, there's Team Fortress 2. One of the best free online games ever created by mankind. Yes, I said free.

I played this for between 1 and 2 years, and I had to pay 20 bucks for this since it wasn't free back then. It's a great thing this game became free-to-play since it would let more people discover this awesome game.

Team Fortress 2
Minecraft
The only way to play dead space imo

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Moddding Modding modding. You can use it do high end photo and video editing as well. Plus everything cheezyphil said.

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I know I sound subjective when I say this, but PC has The Witcher, which is the best PC-exclusive single-player RPG.

If video game girls appeal to you, The Witcher is the game for you because you get to sleep with every major female character that is hot.

If video game girls are not hot to you, ignore this post.

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There are a lot of free games you can download on a pc. That's a plus, you just have to be careful for viruses.

To add to this, not only will the graphics be a lot better, but the games usually handle better on a PC.

Steam is a huge advantage of PC gaming. Mouse and keyboard are also advantageous for other genres too plus a range of other peripherals, including PS3 and 360 controllers, are compatible. For the Blizzard point, apparently Diablo III is coming to consoles too so that isn't one you'll miss out on if you don't game on your PC.

cheezyphil is very correct...

"mouse + keyboard = great for FPS type of games... in my very honest opinion"

Only benefit to PC gaming is Touhou. Yep, biased, I know.

^ I doubt we see Diablo 3 for consoles soon. Probably one-two years after the PC release. Which may be never, lololol. Not to mention I think they're gunna have a hell of a time with the RMAH + consoles.

If you have an interest in Star Wars: The Old Republic you could use that as an excuse. But yeah, every one else has pretty much covered all the bases.

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As most people said
1.better graphics
2.what I like to call full backwords compatibility with most pc games released since really the late 1990s
3.Steam lots of game have sells for really cheap prices
4.Lots of games for Free just for an example Free Online MMORPG and MMO Games List - MMO Hut as a wide verity of games some good some stupid Korean Crap but you get the point.
5.It can be used for many things other than gaming.
6. You can Join the Glorious Pc Master Race (jk on my part but had to bring it up )

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Also, you can get Garry's Mod, which lets you make stupid **** such as this.



You can also build stuff such as buildings and vehicles, and you can create your own game modes.

But you'll have to invest time if you want to master GMod.

Games generally run a lot better on PC. Take Skyrim for example; the PC version looks the best, gets patches the fastest, and can be modded to do stuff like this:
Skyrim Mod - Thu'uMic v0.1.1 Demonstration Dragon Fight - Use SHOUTS with your MIC! - YouTube

Plus, the PS3 version of the game has a bug that makes it get laggier and laggier the more you play it, so there's another plus.

Adding to the Skyrim advantages:

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I agree with him

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You guys rock! Added a lot to the list I am making of Console Vs PC.

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Actually, the best sales tactic is to talk about things a computer can do unrelated to gaming. For instance, I think you need a graphics card to display HD video, which is quite prevalent now on Youtube. Gaming computers obviously can do this, but standard office computers don't tend to have graphics cards since that's overkill.

Also, you can do advanced picture and video editing with a gaming computer. Again, I don't think you can do this with, say, an HP that has no graphics card.

I would hit on those points in addition to the fact that everybody needs a computer anyway these days, so you might as well buy a nice one that will still be relevant years later.

Okay, I know I have been asking you a lot about PC Gaming lately. Guess what? I am asking more. Here you can tell me about your favorite PC Exclusive games, or games with PC exclusive features.

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First of all, most PC games have exclusive mods, which aren't official thought.

Now, for my list...

Audiosurf - If you like music, you can turn then into automatically generated game levels with that.
The Ball - It's like Portal, except that you have a giant ball to carry around instead of a portal gun, and the atmosphere is different as well.
Batman Arkham Asylum & City - If you have an NVidia graphics card, you can enable this version's exclusive NVidia PhysX graphical enhancements. But make sure you have at least a GeForce GTX 560 for that. Batman: AA comparison Batman: AC comparison
Battlefield 3 - You get 64-player support thanks to dedicated servers. 64 PLAYERS! Compared to only 24 in console versions. Also, bigger maps and much, much better graphics. The only two downsides are the fact that you have to use Origin, a Steam knockoff that won't win against Steam, and the fact that the menus are replaced by web pages, where you start the game. Anyway, these two things don't hurt the game.
Counter-Strike: Source - A classic multiplayer shooter that is still being played. That Source thing is the engine on which the game is running. You can also get Counter-Strike 1.6 if you want a more classic version.
EDGE - That's a decent indie puzzle-platformer thingy. You control a block and you roll to the end. Simple. Nice art style and 8-bit music.
Frozen Synapse - A cool indie turn-based strategy game that can be played through multiple gaming sessions. By that, I mean you can start a game, and finish it tomorrow without staying on the PC all the time, even online. The goal is predict the next 5 seconds, and command your units based on your prediction. Also, buy one, and get a free copy for your friend.
Garry's Mod - Do absolutely whatever you want with props and items from your other Source-based games, such as Counter-Strike Source, Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2.
Half-Life series - This series is also available on the consoles, but people will tell you to get it for the PC. I don't know exactly why, since almost all games are better on the PC. Anyway, it's an original FPS where you don't just shoot people, and its atmosphere is really cool.
Left 4 Dead series - Dedicated servers. Do I need to say more?
Poker Night at the Inventory - This game is good if you're a fan of Sam & Max, Homestar Runner, Penny Arcade and/or Team Fortress 2, since it's a poker game where you play against Max, Strong Bad, Tycho and the Heavy. You get a good of dialogues between these characters, and it can be funny at times. For only 5 bucks, if you're a fan of at least one of these franchises, it's worth it.
Portal 2 - You can play co-op online with PS3 users. Also, if you get the PS3 version, it comes with the PC/Mac version!
RUSH - A decent indie puzzle game. The goal is to put directional arrows on the ground so that blocks can go to the finish. It gets harder and harder.
Sanctum - A nice blend between FPS and tower-defense. Great for co-op play. It's also indie.
Serious Sam series - One of the craziest and fast-paced FPS games series. You almost always run around and try to shoot some of the fastest enemies. You also shoot giant monster thingys! You can get the first two games on consoles as well, but the third one is currently a PC exclusive game. The latter has 16-player co-op. 16 FREAKING PLAYERS!
Sonic Generations - If you want the best speedy experience, get the PC version. If you want the most authentic classic Sonic experience, get the PC version. This one, like most PC versions, can run at 60 frames per second. In other words, it runs as smoothly as games such as Super Smash Bros and as the classic Sonic Genesis/MegaDrive games.
Team Fortress 2 - The PC/Mac game got so much support from Valve, the console version is now a joke compared to it. You get 32-player support thanks to dedicated servers. You can also unlock new weapons and HATS for your classes! Best of all, it's FREE! $0! No charge! Get it!
TrackMania Nations, United & 2 - This is a decent arcade-style driving game, where you try to complete some of the craziest tracks as fast as you can. By craziest, I mean tracks with massive jumps, loops and even wall-riding. There's also online multiplayer and a cool track creating tool. Nations is the free game. If you want to try TrackMania, get Nations. United is the game that groups every TrackMania games (except 2) in one. TrackMania 2 is the one I've yet to try.
VVVVVV - It's also available on the 3DS, but anyway. It's a decent indie 8-bit style Metroidvania game where you control a little gravity-flipping guy to help him find other of these guys. There are really hard parts in this one.

Also, do not get Grand Theft Auto IV, if not any of Rockstar's recent games, for the PC. They are bad ports, and they lag too much for nothing.

If they didn't post these yet while I'm typing this, people will also post games such as StarCraft II, Minecraft, Terraria, World of Warcraft, Torchlight, Total War games, Civilization V... but I'm horrible at strategy games, and I'm not a fan of Diablo-like RPGs, but I'll still try Diablo III. I find Minecraft boring.

Starcraft II

and soon to be Diablo III.

I also love high res texture packs for games, with added features.

I have Crysis 2 with texture packs

Doom 64 with high res texture, high resolution, mouse look.

duke nukem hi res, textures, mp ect.

Doom 3 with texture pack and graphic mods

ect

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Short list, but...

Left for Dead 1 & 2 (sucks on xbox, IMHO)
AMNESIA: THE DARK DESCENT
Dead Space ( I guess I just prefer it on PC)
Moonbase Alpha (hurrrr)
(Hat)Team Fortress 2

Well, ok, most games I can think of aren't exclusively PC, but you get the idea.

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Command & Conquer series - One of the most quirky and engaging RTS games of all time. The story, while always campy, is always somewhat interesting, while the gameplay is different yet familiar from game to game. IMO, Red Alert 2 is the best one in the franchise.

Starcraft I & II - Arguably the best RTS of all time. Also SCII keeps E-Sports alive.

Civilization V - This is a turn based strategy game. Has a high learning curb, but makes up for it by being a very rewarding game. The amount of depth in this game is astounding.

Battlefield 2 There is no other FPS with more depth than this game. Unsurpassed by its sequels, BF2 is still easily the most realistic and engaging FPS made by DICE.

Mirror's Edge Unlike most PC ports, this one is anything but shoddy. The added Physx makes the incredibly immersive world even more potent. Also, mouse and keyboard controls completely crush gamepad controls for this game.

There are a lot of other ones too but these few remain on the top of my list. Also this:

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Some of the best content you can get on the PC are the enormous number of little indie gems that you'll never (rarely) find on a console. tbh, a lot of them are way more fun than many major console releases, and they're super cheap.

1. Rollercoaster Tycoon 2
2. Rollercoaster Tycoon 3
3. Age of Empires

I'm not a big PC gamer, but those are some of my favourite games of all time nonetheless.
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Here's some to add to the list:

• The Binding of Isaac
• Aquaria*
• Cave Story*
• Dungeon Defenders*
• Magicka
• Monday Night Combat*
• Saints Row The Third*
• Super Meat Boy*
• Zeno Clash*
• Terraria

Plus the many free to play games some of which are on Steam such as Rusty Hearts, Spiral Knights and Forsaken World.

Note: Games marked with an * are not exclusive to PC but offer a range of PC exclusive features as well as improved controls.

Club Penguin.

Terraria
TF2(It technicaly is on 360 and PS3, but the PC version is MASSIVLY different)
Bastion
Sanctum
Killing Floor(Ive barely played it, but its still a great game)
Any and all Valve titles(NEVER buy them on consoles. Only exception is Portal 2 on PS3 since it gives you the PC version for free, I guess Counter Strike GO will do the same?)

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Half-life series
Counter Strike
Portal 1
Starcraft 2

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You actually play it?

Not in like 3 years.

Alright, so I talked my dad into getting a gaming PC. Not only that, but I can use my own money to get a 3D monitor for my dream setup. Although this is something that neither of us are familiar with. I wanted to know if I would need special graphics cards and drivers for the monitor on my computer. If someone can give me some advice and maybe recommend a monitor or two that would be greatly appreciated.

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I don't have an idea of a good 3D monitor, but for the graphics card, you should look for an AMD card that has HD3D support or for an NVidia card that has 3D Vision support. Most high-end graphics cards do that, but you should still look at the card's features list and specifications.

EDIT: Both AMD HD3D and NVidia 3D Vision technologies have their advantages and inconvenients for each game. You should probably do a research for the games you would like to play in 3D and their 3D support for each technology before you go either AMD or NVidia.

For the driver, I'm sure you'll be fine with the company's official driver. If these drivers don't come with 3D support, I'm sure that you'll find what you need on the company's website.

Also, I'm seeing incoming posts telling reasons to avoid these 3D things and general 3D-hate posts from a mile. For my part, I'm fine with my current non-3D setup.

They make 3D computer monitors? Where the hell was I when they started doing this? This is new.

I would bow down to you and lick your feet if you get a triple monitor 3D setup.

So now I know this. I will be getting the computer I have created so many threads with questions on (and will create) in May for my birthday, my dad has confused me big time. One day he said it is cheaper to build the computer ourselves, but today he has told me the exact opposite. What are the advantages to both ways and what do you think would be better in my scenario?

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Building is cheaper than buying one all-made PC. Also, your own custom-built computer has 0% of chances to come with crapware. It's just more complicated to build a PC than just buying one.

Oh I hate that crapware.

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You know someone who actually likes crapware?

You can get rid of all that bloatware with this, The PC Decrapifier Wipes Unwanted Junk | The PC Decrapifier

Best program ever

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It's actually cheaper to buy pre-fab systems than building them. However, you get cruddy, proprietary hardware by doing so.

Spend a bit extra and build one (if you know how). You're better off in the long run. That wasn't always the case, since your average computer user could benefit from the support of buying a manufactured system. However, now that PC manufacturers don't actually HAVE real customer anymore (unless you want to pay out the derri?re for it), it's not really worth going that route if you can figure out how to build your own.

Building a computer, in my opinion, is a lot better if you are good enough with tech to know how to do it.

YOU choose the specs (This is HUUUGE) No one wants to be capped by the limitations imposed on us when you buy a pre-built computer... This way you can get your perfect computer with your perfect specs.
Problem is that you don't get a warranty or customer support, but generally if you're good enough with tech to actually build the computer in the first place you should be in good shape.
Plus, it's usually cheaper long term. Takes a while but it's a lot better in the long run.

Care to elaborate on this? You got me curious.

You can build an amazing computer for about $500

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Warning: If you buy a PC off of the shelf and have plans to just buy a graphics card and put it in that PC, you WILL have to change your Power Supply Unit to something greater. PC manufacturers like to stick crappy PSUs in their machines; you'll likely see something like a 350-400w in there. This will not be enough to even support todays "mid-range" graphics cards. A good Power Supply Unit is VERY important!!

That said, give me a price range and I'll throw you something together on Newegg so you can see what you could be getting for your money. =) I'll be glad to assist you.

edit: Ah, you're building in May... That should be a fairly good time to build... Maybe by then the new Ivy Bridge CPU's will be out. If so you're going to be in for a real treat. =P

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Hey, I just built my own computer this past September for about $500. Trust me, building one yourself is much cheaper (and more fun). I checked multiple retailers and if I wanted the same specs I have in my computer now, it would have cost me $650 minimum. When you build your own computer, you can also allow yourself room for modification and upgrade. Since September, I have added a second graphics card for crossfire (I have a AMD Radeon 6770 and it worked wonderfully by itself but I like to overkill ), added another 8 gbs of ram for a total of 16, and added a 60gb SSD.

Basically, I highly recommend you build your own computer and use Newegg and Amazon to get your parts.

I will always build my own. Can have every single part I want in it that way and it's cheaper

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Bad time though. With the the hard drive shortages.

Right, the flooding in South Asia inflated the prices of some of the computers I've been looking at.

Each has their own advantage. Go with the DIY option if you know the ins and outs of a computer and actually know how to put one together. If you choose a prebuilt computer, try and choose something that you can actually upgrade in the future.

I've been looking to getting a new computer for a while myself. I'm probably going to get it prebuilt though, don't have the time or the knowledge to put it together myself.

I just mean when you buy a pre-fabricated computer, as in one made by HP, Dell, Gateway, etc.

I know that, but I want to know why you think this below.

Okay so this thread is really just to see your opinion since this one contains no facts. I THINK.

As many of you know, and are annoyed by, I am building a computer in May. Now I am deciding on what I want to do with monitors. For $300 I can either get Three 20" monitors or one 23" LG 3D monitor. I just wanted to know what you guys would pick. Also I wanted to know, would I need to purchase any thing special if I choose multimonitor or 3D with other hardware?

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I would go with 3 monitors.

It would spread the game's view throught all of them, making the game more immersive and probably giving you an advantage in multiplayer games.

But it's possible to have both if you go with NVidia 3D Vision Surround. Three monitors and 3D at the same time. But it would require three 3D monitors and an SLI setup with at least two of the same graphics card.

In fact, you'll surely need at least two of the same graphics card using CrossFireX or SLI, since most graphics card have two DVI ports, and not three.

Multimonitor. Everything Epic said + it makes racing games feel and look amazing.

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Well now that I think about it, I can eventually buy multiple 3D monitors.

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Wow I have created tons of threads for the PC knowledgeable lately. I am a bit confused with the difference between Windows 7 Home 32 bit and 64 bit. What's the difference and what would you recommend for a gaming computer?

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Because every single time I've ever been in the market for a new PC and I decided to check out what's on the market to figure whether I wanted to build or buy, pre-fabs were always spec for spec cheaper.

Of course, that also applies for build quality.

32 bit can only use 3gigs of ram and some change. (Don't remember the exact amount) 64 bit can use as much as you have installed. Unless you HAVE to use some older programs and games go 64 bit.

Edit: by older I'm talking 5-10 years old

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you don't necessarily need to know the difference, all you need to know is that x64 is becoming the norm within the next few years and it can support x86 programs no problems so there isnt a choice/reason not to build and x64 rig.

I do not speak computer and that has confused me.

Oh x64 means 64 bit but what is 86? I've never heard that before.

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Translation: 64 bit all the way.

Edit: x86 is 16 bit and 32 bit I think

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I purposedly dumbed it down for you too

too long didn't understand version: don't worry about it x64 is the norm now and you will be hard pressed to find any "32 bit" parts that can compete with x64 design parts

just go with 64x so you dont need to worry about anything

For a gaming computer? 64 bit for sure.

If you want to play older games without a hassle, then go 32bit. Otherwise, 64-bit.

I would build. You can use a freaking cardboard box as a case. That is win.

Sure....if you don't care that the thing isn't grounded properly.

I remember the PC parts you're planning to get.

Get 64 Bit. If you get 32 Bit, you'll regret it.

Building your own computer means you save on hardware and ultimately get a better computer that'll last longer. However, building your own computer does mean spending more money on software, i.e. Windows 7/8, MS Office 2010, etc etc. Additionally, if you do build your own computer, you absolutely need to know what you are doing. Just because you put it together and it runs doesn't mean everything's in order. Bad wire placement or careless wiring could lead to hard drives or GPUs burning out, often a couple months after the warranty's expired.

If you wanna play it safe, get a computer from a manufacturer. Downsides are crapware of course, and in general, pre-fabricated computers die off quicker. If you do plan to buy a computer, I would say on the lower end, get either a Toshiba, maybe HP. Avoid Dells. If you have a slightly bigger budget, splurge for a Falcon NorthWest (best of the best), or maybe Alienware. NEVER, EVER buy from iBuyPower.

too lazy to tl;dr this, just read it :P

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I am going to pretend this thread is about PSX/SAT vs. N64.
32 bit wins so hard.

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64, you can't run more then 3.5Gigs of Ram on 32 for one thing,

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Some programs such as Adobe After Effects CS5 only runs on 64bit systems. Really the major difference is the amount of RAM the computer can handle.

64bit is the way to go, what these means is that you have 64 bits of addressable data compared to 32 bits. Computers work in binary because in binary there is only two values 1 or 0, its a number system and computers use it because computers are just electrical machines that turn currents of electricity into what we see today.

Binary is a number system, that has two values (bi). The number system we use is denary (decimal) which has 10 values (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) and another familiar number system you may know is hexadecimal, which is of base 16 and has 16 values (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F).

The reason why 32 bit can only read 4GB of RAM is because the maximum number that can be represented in 32 bit binary is around 4,200,000,000 which equals 4.26 GB.

Binary is simple to understand, what 32 bit means is that in binary you have 32 headings. In decimal heads are in multiple of 10, so units (1), tens(10) hundreds (100), thousands (1000), which is 10^0 10^2 10^3 etc. So in binary its 2^0 2^1 and so on until 2^32 which is 4,200,000,000. Since we reached that limit of RAM ages ago we had to support more memory. We don't need 128 bit in consumer homes any time soon because there is no need for support since we have no need for RAM support greater than 1.8billion gigabytes, which is 16 exabytes (16 X 1024 petabytes (1024 terabytes (1024 gigbaytes)))) so yeah that's a lot of RAM.

Difference is that you'll be able to use more RAM, run more applications, if you run out of RAM space, that means the computer can't work as fast as it will have to carefully do certain task first in order to make room.

64 bit is often mentioned as x64 and 32 bit as x86, the reason why 32 bit is called x86 is because thats what the architecture is called. x64 is shorthand for x86-x64 (which means a 64 bit version of the x86 architecture, which AMD and Intel use)

64 bit is better because it allows you to have more RAM, however not only to just run more programs, but 64bit applications are able to detect over 4gigs of RAM and use more than 4gigs at once, this is especially useful in video editting/rendering and other things that require the need to have more RAM.

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PSN: Strider_BZ

If only I could get the triple 3D monitor set up. It looks like I am going for a 3D monitor, possibly dual.

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What you said didn't even remotely resemble sarcasm.

Dual monitor is useful when it comes to making a bigger workstation/desktop. However, I think you would be much better with an odd number of monitors when it comes to gaming, so you can have a center spot to look at while playing games.

Yeah that was why it is possible, not for sure. But still with two 3D monitors I can do some awesome stuff.

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Is this sarcasm?


I'm building my first pc with a friend soon (it's for him), it's going to be challenging but really fun.

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No. I seriously don't see how what he said can be construed as sarcastic.

Once the new kepler series of geforce comes out, I will either upgrade to a 780 GTX, or add a second 580 GTX. It really depends on price and how good kepler is.

Might switch to an ivy bridge at that point as well.

Disappointed we don't have any hardcore Starcraft II players on here . Diablo III will be next but I still love SCII.

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The upcoming AMD "trinity" APU looks awesome from the tech demo I saw at CES. AMD all the way for me really. I've had a dedicated PC Gaming Rig for 3 years now. Nothing super flashy or anything, but for $1200 I got a really good bang for my buck and it still plays relatively recent games superb.

I wouldn't call myself a "pro" Starcraft player but I have played just over 200 hours since release. Also looking forward to Diablo III and CS:GO further this year

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I've been really impressed with AMD over the past few years. They've managed to pull themselves up from "totally screwed" to "back in the game." I might even go with AMD when/if I build my PC in a year or two.

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Um, I don't know where you are getting this from but AMD has been getting pretty wrecked recently. With Ivy Bridges success, Nvidia cards like the 580 doing far better, and disappointing figures on the 8 core AMD's and new graphics cards, I'd say that's not true. Just look at intels profits last year, it took a huge portion of AMD's old user base. From the looks of it and rumors, it's only going to get worse. Ivy Bridge and kepler right around the corner, both are supposed to smash anything AMD has out with ease.

I don't really care about the AMD vs X wars, but at least on overclock.net even the AMD owners seem too depressed to even defend their own products.



Anyway, I just beat Diablo III Beta!

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AMD cards are suffering compared to Nvidia because in terms of optimization, Nvidia crushes AMD. Almost all AMD cards rely on raw power to get things done, which is almost contradicting considering the fact that they almost always cost less than Nvidia.

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Seriously? lol, where have you been these past few months... AMD fell so hard. Bulldozer was/is a ridiculous flop. Don't get me wrong, I'm sitting here typing from a PC thats running an AMD chip (a phenom ii), and I love my system -- I have no qualms about it. But I would NEVER recommend a Bulldozer chip over anything new (or even old pretty much) from Intel. It just sucks that bad. As far as raw desktop/enthusiast power, AMD needs to pull out a trump card very quickly (and I don't think they can/will), otherwise Intel will just simply and utterly crush them to bits.

Their APUs are pretty nice though, hopefully they can hold their head above water with those for a while... you really don't want to see Intel labeled as a monopoly. =/

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Alright, I know I have made a couple threads about similar things and I need help once again. My dad recommended buying instead of building my computer, and out of curiosity I did a little bargain hunting. Guess what? I found a computer I might buy. The dell XPS 8300 had the same Specs as my build did for a better price. The problem is, I am offered to customize it and I am not sure which graphics card it gives me is better for a 3D monitor setup. This is the monitor I am eventually going to use LG - 23" 3D Widescreen Flat-Panel LED Monitor - D2342P .

AMD Radeon? HD 6450 1GB DDR3 [Included in Price]
Nvidia? Geforce? GT530 [Add $50.00 or $1.00/month1]
AMD Radeon? HD 6670 1GB DDR5 [Add $80.00 or $2.00/month1]
1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA? GeForce? GT 545 [Add $110.00 or $3.00/month1]
AMD Radeon? HD 6770 [Add $140.00 or $4.00/month1]

Those are the options. Also "Jasper" wants to know if you can replace parts on this desktop.

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Yeah, thanks.
I needed to know this, too, because it seems like a good PC for a good price. Me and my friend are building a PC with an i7 3820 CPU and a GeForce GTX 570 videocard, with an estimated cost of around a 1000 euros, and I was wondering if the most expensive version of this PC was a good alternative, but just a little cheaper.


lol move

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Ooops, sorry forgot about the PC gaming thread. It was moved here so thanks!

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This card is the most powerful of the bunch, but you're far from the GTX 560 and the Radeon HD 6870. You might want to search for benchmark results for that card before you make a decision.

I remember seeing someone having a hard time removing parts from a Dell XPS computer. I don't think I'll recommend this computer if you plan to upgrade.

I don't think so. The most expensive graphics card there is much less powerful than the GTX 570.

Thank you for the quick reply. You're very helpful.

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No problem!

Also, the GT 545 and the Radeon HD 6770 support 3D.

Thought I'd post this tidbit here, 'cause I know you guys are hyped for Guild Wars 2! Right?!

ArenaNet Blog

Guild Wars 2 Beta in March!! I'm so excited for this game!

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I wish hard drives would be cheaper. Guild Wars 2 is F***ING AWESOME.

They were affordable before the flooding in thailand.

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Me too man, I've actually been waiting for this game foooorrrreeevvveerr it seems like. Someone should make a 3ds forums guild o.O

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I didn't like Guild Wars much... maybe 2 will actually change my opinion, because it really looks like the game I wished 1 would've been.

Hell yeah GW2 is going to be sweet. I LOVE the weapon/skill system and how they've said that they're balancing it so that every class can do things well. Predominately melee classes will have a weapon set to do ranged damage, for example. I think they said a while back in a Q&A that there will be over 2500 skills/spells. Plus the class combos look AWESOME!

Guild Wars 2: Top Nine Skill Combos - PC Feature at IGN

PVP is going to be awesome. (Server vs Server!) I love how its mixing some strategy in there, and not just button mashing.

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Okay, so can someone tell me which GPU would be best?

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For ? What are your needs and wants?!

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Scroll back a page or two!

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The 6770 is the best card you can get in that Dell. Heres a review:

Sapphire Radeon HD 6770 1GB Vapor-X Video Card Review :: TweakTown USA Edition

Keep in mind though, this guy is using an i7 which will pick up a lot of slack in more CPU dependent games. Just get a new i5/i7 Sandybridge (2nd gen Intel) though and you should be fine.

(Also you will not be able to overclock on a Dell system, just something to think about.)

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CONSOLE LIKE PC
Thoughts?

Not that good, but probably a step in the right direction @ getting some more lazy console gamers into the mix.

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Ehh, not a fan of the "slim" design... but then again, I'm bias. I love my full tower. It looks like it doesn't have that great of a cooling system going on. I guess its nice to see Alienware trying to make something semi-affordable though.

I actually really loved Alienware's cases before they got eaten by Dell. My cousin has an old Alienware case painted in this rusty orange color that I've been trying to smuggle off of him for a while now.

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Alienware? I like it. Never had one myself, but I think their laptop lineup is much more stronger than their desktops. They only have two desktops! One's aimed for a more casual gamer and cheap, and the other one is aimed for hard core gamers with money to burn.

X51 being in slim-form factor heavily limits customization, though there still is room for that. Seeing it's components, I'm wondering how such a small thing can dispel so much heat that's going to be given off.

Well, I want an Aurora, but anything's going to be better than this 5 year old slim-tower with integrated graphics and no room to upgrade. Unless anyone knows of a appx 3 in wide single slot graphics card. I could get an Aurora, with bday, Christmas, and Confirmation gifts. I'd want a coupon first. But Alienware seldomly gives discounts for their desktops (at least recently).

Great news for Steam users with a mobile device. Valve has launched the official Steam mobile app for iOS and Android. You can access your Steam community, the Steam store and you can even chat with your friends.

Steam for Mobile Devices

It's still in a closed beta state thought, but you'll get in the invites queue if you try to log in.

I just got into the DOTA 2 beta.... doubt I will play it much.

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These kind of proprietary gaming rigs are always frowned upon by PC gamers. Let's face it, we're a bunch of bougie snobs :P...jk

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Dayum, I have a younger cousin who would sell his soul for a DotA 2 key. No really, he is sickeningly obsessed with those games. I don't really see what the hype is though, I don't find them all that exciting. *shrug* I'd still rather play Warcraft 3.

You're on a roll though... you got to play D3 and now DotA 2... I need some of your good luck, haha.

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Eh, I would hardly call DOTA 2 lucky. I hate MOBA games :P.

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Anyone know of a good Mech shooter for PC? Also how do I get in beta's?

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I just follow gaming sites and when I see they are doing sign ups, I sign up. I also got into Tribes Ascent.

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I'm waiting for Skyrim's Creation kit.

Creation Kit? I don't have Skyrim until I get my PC but what is that?

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It's like a mod tools that the devs are making for people to make things with basically.

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Aah, that sounds pretty darn neat then.

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Who here plays TF2?

Anyone else think Witcher 2 was far far better than Skyrim?

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