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Old 03-06-2012, 01:41 AM
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I severely doubt that. I can't think of an argument without using "favorite child" as a metaphor. Although we'd like to think we like all consoles equally, but I think we all have a console we favor above all others based off of our experiences with it. Liking one more than the other doesn't make you a fanboy, per se. From my understanding, fanboys generally choose one side and stick to it regardless of the facts against it. To be an open-minded doesn't mean you'll love all of them equally. (missing one sentence)

Personally, I've had better experiences with my ds than I ever has with my 360. Then again, my 360's library sucks.
That is a very good statement.

I would add that a fanboy can also be a person who works to demean, tear down and take shots at a product from a company they just don't like.
Old 03-06-2012, 01:43 AM
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The 3DS has StreetPass and SpotPass, plus Nintendo Zone.
Certain PSVs have 3G.
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The 3DS has StreetPass and SpotPass, plus Nintendo Zone.
Certain PSVs have 3G.
Wut? Are you attempting to trash talk something?
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The 3DS has StreetPass and SpotPass, plus Nintendo Zone.
Certain PSVs have 3G.
What?

Haven't you heard of NEAR?
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Anyways, not a very good comparison.

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Old 03-06-2012, 02:17 AM
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That was all I knew about the Vita, not very into Sony.
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That was all I knew about the Vita, not very into Sony.
Then don't attempt to compare.
Old 03-07-2012, 08:11 AM
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I've been thinking about this for days and finally got my conclusion. This is my opinion and I hope some respect. The PS Vita is better than the 3DS. Although the 3DS is a good console, it lacks many things. You have a 3D camera, but with horrible quality, so most of the time, others prefer to take a picture with their phone then with the DS' camera. The browser is horrible as well and the music player isn't that good if we consider the 3DS' low volume. The 3DS may have spotpass, but PS Vita has Near. And it gets worse, while the 3DS can play 3DS movies, they must last a maxium of 10 minutes. You need a converter and change the size as well as other things. And well so far I haven't found a 3D video that lasts less then 10 minutes and is worth watching. The PS Vita plays many formats on Music, video and images. The 3DS can add online friend but it's useless because you can only see what he's playing and if playing on online, you may join him. You can't see more information about this friend, or message him instantly like in PSN or XBox Live.

So my conclusion is that when it comes to being a console, PS Vita wins, and if I'll still have the 3DS is to play Nintendo titles. But in PS Vita I'll be able to enjoy Street Fighter X Tekken and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom with PS3 graphics. The PS Vita really is the console of the future. 3DS has a gamecube's tecnology.
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I've been thinking about this for days and finally got my conclusion. This is my opinion and I hope some respect. The PS Vita is better than the 3DS. Although the 3DS is a good console, it lacks many things. You have a 3D camera, but with horrible quality, so most of the time, others prefer to take a picture with their phone then with the DS' camera. The browser is horrible as well and the music player isn't that good if we consider the 3DS' low volume. The 3DS may have spotpass, but PS Vita has Near. And it gets worse, while the 3DS can play 3DS movies, they must last a maxium of 10 minutes. You need a converter and change the size as well as other things. And well so far I haven't found a 3D video that lasts less then 10 minutes and is worth watching. The PS Vita plays many formats on Music, video and images. The 3DS can add online friend but it's useless because you can only see what he's playing and if playing on online, you may join him. You can't see more information about this friend, or message him instantly like in PSN or XBox Live.

So my conclusion is that when it comes to being a console, PS Vita wins, and if I'll still have the 3DS is to play Nintendo titles. But in PS Vita I'll be able to enjoy Street Fighter X Tekken and Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom with PS3 graphics. The PS Vita really is the console of the future. 3DS has a gamecube's tecnology.
I'd say the Vita is better too but it's also 80 bucks or 10,000 yen more expensive, so no wonder. If you take their prices into account, then I say they're of equal quality for the money asked.

(By the way, the 3DS and PS Vita cameras are the same quality, they're both 0.3 Megapixels. At least the 3DS camera does 3D, so I don't know why that would be a negative for the 3DS. That should be a negative for the Vita that the quality is as crummy but without the 3D.)
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My 2cents on the camera. Well no matter how good the camera of the vita or 3ds is, I'll probably use continue to use my cell phone. The reason being that I always have it with me and its just easier than taking out a console and booting it up. So I really couldn't less about the camera that comes with my system.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:48 AM
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My 2cents on the camera. Well no matter how good the camera of the vita or 3ds is, I'll probably use continue to use my cell phone. The reason being that I always have it with me and its just easier than taking out a console and booting it up. So I really couldn't less about the camera that comes with my system.
Same, I haven't used it at all on the 3ds and I won't at all on the vita either.
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Has someone played augmented reality games on both the Vita and 3DS?


How do they compare?
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Has someone played augmented reality games on both the Vita and 3DS?


How do they compare?
The camera in the Vita makes it easier compared to the 3DS. You don't get that random lag and the viewing angle isn't as small. As for the games themselves.... let's just say I prefer the 3DS ones, they were more fun and creative.
Old 03-07-2012, 12:16 PM
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The Vita pwns the 3DS in terms of sleekness. I wouldn't say the 3DS is ugly, but it's a bit clunky. The revision will introduce a sleeker model, kind of like what was done with the original DS.
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I'd rather not complain about 3DS since it's my choice after all.
My opinion is this: 3DS mostly sells because it is Nintendo and has a lot of good games and few classic games with better graphics and improvements. PS Vita sells mostly because of the "good graphics" it's games have and there are a lot of Sony-fanboys everywhere.
3DS games are great and flowing with nostalgic feeling and characters like Super Mario and Link. Sony replaces these characters with newer game titles like Modern Warfare and Little big planet which are way different than Nintendo's games.
So all this in a nutshell, Nintendo sells with the old nostalgic feeling and Vita sells
with it's new good graphics.
I chose 3DS and i'm very proud of it!
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:56 PM
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I'd rather not complain about 3DS since it's my choice after all.
My opinion is this: 3DS mostly sells because it is Nintendo and has a lot of good games and few classic games with better graphics and improvements. PS Vita sells mostly because of the "good graphics" it's games have and there are a lot of Sony-fanboys everywhere.
3DS games are great and flowing with nostalgic feeling and characters like Super Mario and Link. Sony replaces these characters with newer game titles like Modern Warfare and Little big planet which are way different than Nintendo's games.
So all this in a nutshell, Nintendo sells with the old nostalgic feeling and Vita sells
with it's new good graphics.
I chose 3DS and i'm very proud of it!
- A system can't sell solely on hardware. So that statement is highly inaccurate. A gaming system has got to have a good selection of software to make it sell. What's the point in buying a powerful machine when there is no games for it?

- Modern Warfare is not from Sony.
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- A system can't sell solely on hardware. So that statement is highly inaccurate. A gaming system has got to have a good selection of software to make it sell. What's the point in buying a powerful machine when there is no games for it?

- Modern Warfare is not from Sony.
I know that Modern Warfare is not from Sony but it's not the point. The point is that there are so many Sony fans in the world and almost all of them play Modern Warfare on PS3.
And why couldn't a console sell by it's hardware?
That statement is clearly faulty. There are many many players all over the world who play games only because of the graphics. You can't possibly imagine how many there are. Nowadays i suppose that FPS games sell the most in the world. I don't know why that is happening but that still happens.
In my early post i was about to say that graphics don't make a game. That is true. But still many players think it's all about the graphics. Also, the name Sony fetches more customers to buy it since it's a Playstation. I'm not sure if i can put this correctly but this is my point of the view...
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i know that modern warfare is not from sony but it's not the point. The point is that there are so many sony fans in the world and almost all of them play modern warfare on ps3.
And why couldn't a console sell by it's hardware?
That statement is clearly faulty. There are many many players all over the world who play games only because of the graphics. You can't possibly imagine how many there are. Nowadays i suppose that fps games sell the most in the world. I don't know why that is happening but that still happens.
In my early post i was about to say that graphics don't make a game. That is true. But still many players think it's all about the graphics. Also, the name sony fetches more customers to buy it since it's a playstation. I'm not sure if i can put this correctly but this is my point of the view...
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I'm sorry i think that i got a little too excited.
It's because everyone only talks about how good graphics Vita has and how Vita beats 3DS with graphics and all.
It really is weird.
Nobody really mentions anything about Vitas games or applications so it's hard to say if it's good or not.
The funniest part is that in Vitas commercials and trailers they put a PS3 or an XBOX360 gameplay image and edit it so it looks like Vita has as good graphics as PS3. That really is cheating and makes Vita look even stupider.
But i'll buy it if there will be some good games to be released.
If there would be a Resident Evil game that's designed only for Vita, i would really have to buy it then.
But i'm waiting so i'll see if they reduce it's price and release some good games.
Till then, it's useless to me.
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I know that Modern Warfare is not from Sony but it's not the point. The point is that there are so many Sony fans in the world and almost all of them play Modern Warfare on PS3.
And why couldn't a console sell by it's hardware?
That statement is clearly faulty. There are many many players all over the world who play games only because of the graphics. You can't possibly imagine how many there are. Nowadays i suppose that FPS games sell the most in the world. I don't know why that is happening but that still happens.
In my early post i was about to say that graphics don't make a game. That is true. But still many players think it's all about the graphics. Also, the name Sony fetches more customers to buy it since it's a Playstation. I'm not sure if i can put this correctly but this is my point of the view...
When you point out FPS as an example for PS, you know you have little to no experience with the brand... Just wave the white flag.

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I'm sorry i think that i got a little too excited.
It's because everyone only talks about how good graphics Vita has and how Vita beats 3DS with graphics and all.
It really is weird.
Nobody really mentions anything about Vitas games or applications so it's hard to say if it's good or not.
The funniest part is that in Vitas commercials and trailers they put a PS3 or an XBOX360 gameplay image and edit it so it looks like Vita has as good graphics as PS3. That really is cheating and makes Vita look even stupider.
But i'll buy it if there will be some good games to be released.
If there would be a Resident Evil game that's designed only for Vita, i would really have to buy it then.
But i'm waiting so i'll see if they reduce it's price and release some good games.
Till then, it's useless to me.
wth are you talking about? Not all the games on Vita right now are even on any other console :/ The series themselves may be, but not all of the games are. There are a few exceptions, but I don't see why they'd need to do what you said.

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After using my friend's PSV, I can say the graphics on the PSV are totally mind-blowing. There's only one or two good games on it right now, however. One can only enjoy so much of Uncharted before it gets totally boring. Maybe when FFX comes out, I will get one.
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The funniest part is that in Vitas commercials and trailers they put a PS3 or an XBOX360 gameplay image and edit it so it looks like Vita has as good graphics as PS3. That really is cheating and makes Vita look even stupider.
What on Earth are you talking about?
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What on Earth are you talking about?
Nothing from this Earth, not even this galaxy. I think he's referring to another dimension.
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What on Earth are you talking about?
He is refering to the many youtube videos that have done this to get views.
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He is refering to the many youtube videos that have done this to get views.
Why say Vita commercials if he didn't mean Vita commercials?
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Why say Vita commercials if he didn't mean Vita commercials?
I don't know why he would. Was just taking a guess as to what I think he meant.

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All this talk about which system is better, at the moment in my eyes the 3ds. But the vita essentially has just launched so it can't really be said. However the vita does have a lot to catch up on software wise with all the 3ds titles that are out and soon to come out.

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However the vita does have a lot to catch up on software wise with all the 3ds titles that are out and soon to come out.
Honestly, not that much. With Uncharted, Wipeout, Virtua Tennis, MotorStorm RC, Hot Shots Golf, Unit 13 already out, Resistance, Little Big Planet and Gravity Rush coming out before the summer, as well as stuff like Marvel vs Capcom and Mortal Kombat, there's actually not really much that the Vita is missing that the 3DS has. Nintendo has spent all its time since the price cut last year privileging Japan over all the other regions. Software releases in the West have been few and far between and not particularly eventful, whereas Japan got a steeper price cut (from 25,000 yen to 15,000 yen) and an avalanche of games.

So yeah, maybe in Japan, Vita has a lot of catching up to do, but not in the West. This year so far has been, for me, a big letdown for the 3DS. I spend 98% of my time on these forums on the Vita threads now, that's how painfully slow 3DS news have been. I used to barely even check the General Gaming section before and there was almost too much going on in the Nintendo 3DS and 3DS Games sections to keep up.
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Honestly, not that much. With Uncharted, Wipeout, Virtua Tennis, MotorStorm RC, Unit 13 already out, Resistance, Little Big Planet and Gravity Rush coming out before the summer, as well as stuff like Marvel vs Capcom and Mortal Kombat, there's actually not really much that the Vita is missing that the 3DS has. Nintendo has spent all its time since the price cut last year privileging Japan over all the other regions. Software releases in the West have been few and far between and not particularly eventful, whereas Japan got a steeper price cut (from 25,000 yen to 15,000 yen) and an avalanche of games.

So yeah, maybe in Japan, Vita has a lot of catching up to do, but not in the West. This year so far has been, for me, a big letdown for the 3DS. I spend 98% of my time on these forums on the Vita threads now, that's how painfully slow 3DS news have been. I used to barely even check the General Gaming section before and there was almost too much going on in the Nintendo 3DS and 3DS Games sections to keep up.
As more of a sony fanboy and maybe I'm overcompensating. I am glad that I own both systems. But in terms of what is interesting me more the 3ds wins hands down (especially after Sony screwed up so badly with modnation on vita, which puts game like little big planet into that who knows how it will turn out territory in my mind then it otherwise would).

I do agree about the huge gap between the west and japan with titles being released on the 3ds. It does fell as if we (those not in Japan) have been given the shaft and treat as being less important.
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Actually there are various videos from Vita (and i'm almost sure about it) that have the PS3 gameplay footage on them and then it says that this is Vita gameplay. They are REAL videos and they are from this dimension.
And, i was just reading a brochure about Vita. It had Uncharted Golden Abyss in it but what i saw was Uncharted 3 gameplay images instead of Golden Abyss.
And it said that it's Golden Abyss in it. Also, i've seen a video that has Modern Warfare 3 playing on Vita but i guess it was fake. Now i'm sorry if MY opinion hurt you guys. I can tell some good and bad things from both consoles.

3DS
-Bad camera
-Bad Internet code in most games
-No proper chat
-One Circle Pad
+Good games
+Mii maker
+Circle Pad
+3D
+Streetpass
+Friend code system

Vita
+Good camera
+2 analogs
+Near
+Mic for chatting with friends
+Uses PSN account (good if you already have one)
-No L2 and R2 buttons
-No good games
-Anyone can send you a friend request (even if you don't want to)
-Bad Internet code in most games
-The main menu works only by touching (buttons won't work)
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Actually there are various videos from Vita (and i'm almost sure about it) that have the PS3 gameplay footage on them and then it says that this is Vita gameplay. They are REAL videos and they are from this dimension.
And, i was just reading a brochure about Vita. It had Uncharted Golden Abyss in it but what i saw was Uncharted 3 gameplay images instead of Golden Abyss.
And it said that it's Golden Abyss in it. Also, i've seen a video that has Modern Warfare 3 playing on Vita but i guess it was fake. Now i'm sorry if MY opinion hurt you guys. I can tell some good and bad things from both consoles.

3DS
-Bad camera
-Bad Internet code in most games
-No proper chat
-One Circle Pad
+Good games
+Mii maker
+Circle Pad
+3D
+Streetpass
+Friend code system

Vita
+Good camera
+2 analogs
+Near
+Mic for chatting with friends
+Uses PSN account (good if you already have one)
-No L2 and R2 buttons
-No good games
-Anyone can send you a friend request (even if you don't want to)
-Bad Internet code in most games
-The main menu works only by touching (buttons won't work)
Both cameras are abysmal
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-Anyone can send you a friend request (even if you don't want to)
-Bad Internet code in most games

-The main menu works only by touching (buttons won't work)
1.)That's just your opinion.

2.) And? You can reject them. You act like you're going to get constantly spammed with friend requests. I'm glad random people can friend me, because unlike the 3DS, I don't need to be on my computer to find people to add.

3.)What exactly do you mean by that?

4.) Sounds like a minor complaint. The touching works well, as it does on the iphone or something similar.
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^ there has been nothing wrong with online play on either systems when I have played. I'm sure there are examples of some games with horrible netcode (making the game laggy when it shouldn't be etc), but I haven't come across it myself.
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1.)That's just your opinion.

2.) And? You can reject them. You act like you're going to get constantly spammed with friend requests. I'm glad random people can friend me, because unlike the 3DS, I don't need to be on my computer to find people to add.

3.)What exactly do you mean by that?

4.) Sounds like a minor complaint. The touching works well, as it does on the iphone or something similar.
1)If you didn't seem to notice i clearly said, "It's my opinion".

2)Yes, while i was at PS3 i constantly got friend requests which was annoying as hell!

3)For example in Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 on Vita, the internet matches are laggy because of a bad netcode.

4)Exactly! There may not be any problems with touching but sometimes touch screens can be annoying. Like in Iphone, if you accidentally click the wrong software, it will take time by waiting for it to load.

I'll ask you this: Is Vita worth of buying if you have no Internet connection at all? This doesn't have anything to do with what's above.
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Is Vita worth of buying if you have no Internet connection at all? This doesn't have anything to do with what's above.
Neither the Vita nor the 3DS are worth buying if you don't have an internet connection. How the **** are you supposed to play Mario Kart 7 and Wipeout 2048 online?

Also, about the official videos with fake gameplay footage from PS3, then show them to us.

Finally, the Vita does not have good cameras and the 3DS bad cameras, they're the ****ing same at 0.3 megapixels, for ****'s sake.
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1)If you didn't seem to notice i clearly said, "It's my opinion".

2)Yes, while i was at PS3 i constantly got friend requests which was annoying as hell!

3)For example in Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 on Vita, the internet matches are laggy because of a bad netcode.

4)Exactly! There may not be any problems with touching but sometimes touch screens can be annoying. Like in Iphone, if you accidentally click the wrong software, it will take time by waiting for it to load.

I'll ask you this: Is Vita worth of buying if you have no Internet connection at all? This doesn't have anything to do with what's above.
You can't form an opinion on something you don't own or have had experience with.

Your little situation about being spammed with friend requests is silly, considering that most people aren't bombarded with requests.

I own Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 on the Vita and I haven't had ANY laggy matches or any problems, so I don't know where you're getting this from. Did you even play the game?

Having a touch screen isn't a flaw. If you want to head down that road, the 3DS' touch screen is crap because it's inaccurate.
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What's this stuff about net-code? Does anyone have anything to support this claim?

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If you want to head down that road, the 3DS' touch screen is crap because it's inaccurate.


Maybe you've calibrated yours wrong.

I have tried a Vita demo unit...the touch screen worked maybe 50% of the time. Still haven't had a problem with the touch screen on the 3DS.
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Having a touch screen isn't a flaw. If you want to head down that road, the 3DS' touch screen is crap because it's inaccurate.
Seriously? I feel as if the DS and 3DS have some really accurate touch screens, since they use resistive. Games like TWEWY and Phantom Hourglass, at least for me, had damn good controls.
I've never used an iPhone or Vita before, but I imagine their capacitive screens are a little less responsive.
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50% of the time? Maybe it wasn't the touch screen that was faulty.

Personally I find the 3DS touch screen to be meh, but with a stylus its the most accurate, so its a trade off.

Also the Vita's camera is clearly better than the 3DS, just look at that video that's compared the two. I'd gladly take slightly washed out colors for a viewable higher frame rate and bigger picture.
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50% of the time? Maybe it wasn't the touch screen that was faulty.
Say what you will, but the 'tap to climb' in Uncharted:Golden Abyss barely worked, and I found myself pressing the menu buttons two to three times before it actually went through.
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Say what you will, but the 'tap to climb' in Uncharted:Golden Abyss barely worked, and I found myself pressing the menu buttons two to three times before it actually went through.
Demo units, the real test. If I judged by demo units I would think half the 3DS's in the world don't even turn on.
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You can't form an opinion on something you don't own or have had experience with.

Your little situation about being spammed with friend requests is silly, considering that most people aren't bombarded with requests.

I own Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 on the Vita and I haven't had ANY laggy matches or any problems, so I don't know where you're getting this from. Did you even play the game?

Having a touch screen isn't a flaw. If you want to head down that road, the 3DS' touch screen is crap because it's inaccurate.
Ok, Hunk is being nice enough like to give a balance state to both consoles. Just as others have accepted the wrong things about the 3DS, you have to accept as well that PS Vita isn't perfect. I myself consider PS Vita a better console, but to be honest, Hunk1995 is right, the launch games aren't good enough, I myself want the console but I think if I were to buy a game, I'd wait for Street Fighter X Tekken. And it's not just his opinion, here's mine and many magazines commented such thing. Yeah Uncharted is out, but that's just one good game. And yeah, I've had the experience to play the console online and there was lag, maybe it was the internet connection, I don't know, but there was lag, that much I know. And maybe the friend requests are much of a problem (not to me) but like I said, PS Vita isn't perfect, trying to say it is is just as wrong as 3DS fanboys trying to point out that the 3DS is a perfect console.
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Demo units, the real test. If I judged by demo units I would think half the 3DS's in the world don't even turn on.


Comparing a dead battery to a touch screen that doesn't work a great deal of the time are two totally different issues.

I'm not saying that the problem is present in all Vita systems, nor am I trying to point fingers, but that was my general experience with the Vita's demo unit.
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You guys missed the point of my post. It was to show how ******ed his claim was. Nice job.
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Comparing a dead battery to a touch screen that doesn't work a great deal of the time are two totally different issues.

I'm not saying that the problem is present in all Vita systems, nor am I trying to point fingers, but that was my general experience with the Vita's demo unit.
Yes and I was making fun of you for judging with such a terrible test unit.
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Ok, Hunk is being nice enough like to give a balance state to both consoles. Just as others have accepted the wrong things about the 3DS, you have to accept as well that PS Vita isn't perfect. I myself consider PS Vita a better console, but to be honest, Hunk1995 is right, the launch games aren't good enough, I myself want the console but I think if I were to buy a game, I'd wait for Street Fighter X Tekken. And it's not just his opinion, here's mine and many magazines commented such thing. Yeah Uncharted is out, but that's just one good game. And yeah, I've had the experience to play the console online and there was lag, maybe it was the internet connection, I don't know, but there was lag, that much I know. And maybe the friend requests are much of a problem (not to me) but like I said, PS Vita isn't perfect, trying to say it is is just as wrong as 3DS fanboys trying to point out that the 3DS is a perfect console.
Hunk is being nice enough to show how little he knows about the Vita. The Vita had a decent launch. Just because you couldn't find anything to play on it doesn't mean it didn't. Oh, and I never remember thinking the Vita was perfect. He made false claims and assumptions based on nothing and I was simply correcting him. He's entitled to his opinion, but there is a difference between an opinion and being misguided with false facts.
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This thread is worthy of its name.

And I agree with Gaymer; wrong facts can't be excused by opinion.
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Hunk1995 is right, the launch games aren't good enough, I myself want the console but I think if I were to buy a game, I'd wait for Street Fighter X Tekken. And it's not just his opinion, here's mine and many magazines commented such thing. Yeah Uncharted is out, but that's just one good game.
Good enough for what, exactly? Because I'm seeing plenty of variety and plenty of good games. There's definitely more than Uncharted to the lineup. Of course, people would know this if they actually played the games.
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Also the Vita's camera is clearly better than the 3DS, just look at that video that's compared the two. I'd gladly take slightly washed out colors for a viewable higher frame rate and bigger picture.
That's not true. The guy in question made TWO videos, one for still pictures, and one for videos. He explained the Vita is superior in terms of videos but inferior in terms of still pictures. Overall though, since they're both 0.3 megapixels, the difference between the two is so minor I find it stupid to call the 3DS cameras bad and the Vita's good, especially considering at least the 3DS has the 3D technology to make up for the low quality.
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I don't see how the vita's camera is clearly superior to the 3ds's to the point you could really say that. All I know is based on multiple screen caps of pics I have seen from them, I know I wouldn't ever use either.
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I love how much faster the Vita OS runs compared to the 3DS. Even tho its only SECONDS, I hate the lag when switching areas on the 3DS.
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That's not true. The guy in question made TWO videos, one for still pictures, and one for videos. He explained the Vita is superior in terms of videos but inferior in terms of still pictures. Overall though, since they're both 0.3 megapixels, the difference between the two is so minor I find it stupid to call the 3DS cameras bad and the Vita's good, especially considering at least the 3DS has the 3D technology to make up for the low quality.
That's fine, but I think for gaming purposes AR would benefit most from that higher fps. I noticed right away when trying AR on Vita vs AR on 3DS that the AR looked much smoother and clear. At least that's my opinion on it.
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Vita: 30 FPS
3DS: 20 FPS

While both cameras aren't any good, Vita's cameras can record footage 1.5x smoother than the 3DS.
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they declared a winner between the 3ds and the vita.... it was chuck norris again..



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While both cameras aren't any good, Vita's cameras can record footage 1.5x smoother than the 3DS.
And one introduces new 3D recording technology to the market and not the other...
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Neither camera is going to exactly be used when taking a real picture for something. Vita's is a little more clear, while the 3ds can take 3d pics.
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^ Agreed, I wouldn't use either though unless I had no other option (and even then only in an emergency as the quality just isn't good enough in either system).
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Neither camera is going to exactly be used when taking a real picture for something. Vita's is a little more clear, while the 3ds can take 3d pics.
3DS is better for stills, while the Vita is better at video recording. From what I've seen, the Vita is an almost complete rip-off of the 3DS. 3DS has StreetPass, Vita has it's own (albeit worse) StreetPass knock-off. 3DS has AR Cards, Vita has AR cards. It seems that the only original idea Sony can ever come up with is charging people hundreds of dollars extra on memory just to play their system.
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3DS is better for stills, while the Vita is better at video recording. From what I've seen, the Vita is an almost complete rip-off of the 3DS. 3DS has StreetPass, Vita has it's own (albeit worse) StreetPass knock-off. 3DS has AR Cards, Vita has AR cards. It seems that the only original idea Sony can ever come up with is charging people hundreds of dollars extra on memory just to play their system.
You do realize AR has been around for a long time right? I heard the PSP actually had AR first. Also the PS3 had AR before the 3DS was out. Who copied who? Also the Vita camera is much better than the 3DS camera. But neither is going to replace a standard camera. Near isn't really a Street Pass knock off since it's mostly showing who within your town/area has a Vita and operates over wifi. Sure you can get items from it but I get them rather rarely. And you don't need to pay hundreds of dollars for a memory card, definitely an exaggeration there.

As for Vita being a rip off, that's a long shot. Both systems are completely different. Sure they both have cameras and AR and blah blah but you can see they're development was done differently. The Vita interface is more customizable and the Vita itself is totally about the social experience of gaming. The 3DS isn't as customizable but the interface is simple enough for anyone to grasp. The social aspect is also limited outside of swapnote. When you play games with random people online you don't even have the option to add them. It's more a private experience that can be shared with friends.

And before you respond with some nonsense I love both my handhelds and actually do own them both.
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3DS is better for stills, while the Vita is better at video recording. From what I've seen, the Vita is an almost complete rip-off of the 3DS. 3DS has StreetPass, Vita has it's own (albeit worse) StreetPass knock-off. 3DS has AR Cards, Vita has AR cards. It seems that the only original idea Sony can ever come up with is charging people hundreds of dollars extra on memory just to play their system.
The fanboyism in this post hurts my brain.

Vita is not a rip-off of the 3DS. AR cards have been around before the 3DS. And Near is a lot better than StreetPass.
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3DS is better for stills, while the Vita is better at video recording. From what I've seen, the Vita is an almost complete rip-off of the 3DS. 3DS has StreetPass, Vita has it's own (albeit worse) StreetPass knock-off. 3DS has AR Cards, Vita has AR cards. It seems that the only original idea Sony can ever come up with is charging people hundreds of dollars extra on memory just to play their system.
Have you ever actually played with a Vita? I'm so tired of people talking about either the 3DS or the Vita and don't even own both handhelds to make a fair comparison.
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Have you ever actually played with a Vita? I'm so tired of people talking about either the 3DS or the Vita and don't even own both handhelds to make a fair comparison.
This is honestly what disgusts me the most as well. Why argue with either side if their arguments are just as flawed as console launches? But even with that, they don't even have to *own* both. Just play each one to have a good enough knowledge of them without resorting to "he say she say" tactics.

To add to that... I've done my fair share of talk about the 3DS, but that's because I own it and haven't been too happy with the games up to this point. But even if the games aren't there for me right now, there's no denying that it's an incredibly able device. Same goes for the Vita. It's a powerhouse and could be destined for greatness, but will it surpass the 3DS? Probably not, but that doesn't bother me. I love games, so I don't care how good or bad either does. I'm going for gaming, not one or the other. I love my 3DS, and once the games come out that I can get into, it's gonna get a lot more attention from me. No doubt about that.

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I dont have a vita yet, and i dont know why this thread is using the cameras on the systems as ammunition for a vs argument.....

But i find it very hard to believe the 3ds cameras have anything on the vitas quality wise.

If the vita can just take pictures the resolution of its own screen, there is no room for argument on picture quality.

So... new subject?
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I dont have a vita yet, and i dont know why this thread is using the cameras on the systems as ammunition for a vs argument.....

But i find it very hard to believe the 3ds cameras have anything on the vitas quality wise.

If the vita can just take pictures the resolution of its own screen, there is no room for argument on picture quality.

So... new subject?
Okay guys, let's wrap it up.
You can't use the camera function as an argument, might as well forget about game comparisons, and resolution? Forget that too.
In fact, anything that could be used as in an argument shouldn't be discussed.

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Lolwut?!
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Okay guys, let's wrap it up.
You can't use the camera function as an argument, might as well forget about game comparisons, and resolution? Forget that too.
In fact, anything that could be used as in an argument shouldn't be discussed.

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Lolwut?!
Just shut up and let it go. Stop stirring **** back up. You know, this thread really does live up to its name... I don't believe I've seen one civil argument since it really got started.
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Okay guys, let's wrap it up.
You can't use the camera function as an argument, might as well forget about game comparisons, and resolution? Forget that too.
In fact, anything that could be used as in an argument shouldn't be discussed.

:|

Lolwut?!
I never made any inference as to people SHOULDNT be using cameras. Simply that i dont know why they are.

I then joined in and gave a perfectly legitimate ON SUBJECT argument on how there should be no contest in image quality if the vita could just take pictures the size of its own screen.

Please post better.
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The way you said it made it sounds like you didn't like the arguments at all and that they were all wrong.

Okay, how about this.
Which touch screen is better suited to a portable?
The Nintendo 3DS touch screen or the PSVita touch screen?
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Both systems had their original launches in Japan.
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Both systems had their original launches in Japan.
I see where this is going!

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The way you said it made it sounds like you didn't like the arguments at all and that they were all wrong.

Okay, how about this.
Which touch screen is better suited to a portable?
The Nintendo 3DS touch screen or the PSVita touch screen?
I thought this was going to be a lot easier until i started posting.

The stylus is infinately more accurate regaurdless of scrren type simply because of the small area in contact with the screen compared to a finger.

The stylus, however, is akward to use for games like shooters.

The thumb nub makes the 3ds/ds basically mouse and keyboard in control speed and precision.... But the thumb nub has been forgotten...

The vita has multi touch, though with only one screen the action would be obscured by the hands.... But it ALSO has a touch screen in the back.

I know the ds, and by extension the 3ds allows for dual analog destroying kbm type speed and precision from my experience with hunters and trusty thumb nub.

But i dont feel i have enough experience with all the vita can do with touch controls yet.

So, yeah im undecided on this one.
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I thought this was going to be a lot easier until i started posting.

The stylus is infinately more accurate regaurdless of scrren type simply because of the small area in contact with the screen compared to a finger.

The stylus, however, is akward to use for games like shooters.

The thumb nub makes the 3ds/ds basically mouse and keyboard in control speed and precision.... But the thumb nub has been forgotten...

The vita has multi touch, though with only one screen the action would be obscured by the hands.... But it ALSO has a touch screen in the back.

I know the ds, and by extension the 3ds allows for dual analog destroying kbm type speed and precision from my experience with hunters and trusty thumb nub.

But i dont feel i have enough experience with all the vita can do with touch controls yet.

So, yeah im undecided on this one.
Vita's back touch panel is great in theory but have you played Escape Plan? Fun game but it's like, you can't count against me for how many gestures I make when I touch the back panel on accident or can't find the right area to line up. I wish the developers had play tested that game better or even beta tested.

While I agree the stylus is more accurate I've made typos on my 3DS with the stylus and on the Vita with my finger. As far as stylus based games go, I've not used a stylus for anything 3DS related BUT Swapnote. A lot of the touch screen functions are an afterthought now which is kinda sad. I can kinda understand though, touchscreen used to be a novelty, now it's expected on most devices. I showed a guy a used PSP at work once and he immediately went to touch the screen lol.
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While I agree the stylus is more accurate I've made typos on my 3DS with the stylus and on the Vita with my finger. As far as stylus based games go, I've not used a stylus for anything 3DS related BUT Swapnote. A lot of the touch screen functions are an afterthought now which is kinda sad. I can kinda understand though, touchscreen used to be a novelty, now it's expected on most devices. I showed a guy a used PSP at work once and he immediately went to touch the screen lol.
Touching is good. (I still question the intentions of whoever in Nintendo came up with that gem of a line.)
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Touching is good. (I still question the intentions of whoever in Nintendo came up with that gem of a line.)
Who do you think?
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This thread is becoming repetitive. We need to spice it up.

3DS vs Vita vs DS vs PSP vs Gamegear vs mythical Xbox portable vs Gameboy Color

Seven portables enter only one portable leaves! The rules? The only things that count are games and features available right now. No potential future features confirmed nor rumored.

I'd say as of now the PSP and Gameboy Color knock all other out of the park.

GBC: Pokemon RBY and GS, Shantae, Zelda Oracles, Link's Awakening, plus other misc titles.

PSP: PS1 Classics, FF 6-9, RE, Parasite Eve, etc.
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This thread is becoming repetitive. We need to spice it up.

3DS vs Vita vs DS vs PSP vs Gamegear vs mythical Xbox portable vs Gameboy Color

Seven portables enter only one portable leaves! The rules? The only things that count are games and features available right now. No potential future features confirmed nor rumored.

I'd say as of now the PSP and Gameboy Color knock all other out of the park.

GBC: Pokemon RBY and GS, Shantae, Zelda Oracles, Link's Awakening, plus other misc titles.

PSP: PS1 Classics, FF 6-9, RE, Parasite Eve, etc.
You didn't name any actual PSP games. I'm sure you can think of at least one gem.
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You do realize AR has been around for a long time right? I heard the PSP actually had AR first. Also the PS3 had AR before the 3DS was out. Who copied who? Also the Vita camera is much better than the 3DS camera. But neither is going to replace a standard camera. Near isn't really a Street Pass knock off since it's mostly showing who within your town/area has a Vita and operates over wifi. Sure you can get items from it but I get them rather rarely. And you don't need to pay hundreds of dollars for a memory card, definitely an exaggeration there.

As for Vita being a rip off, that's a long shot. Both systems are completely different. Sure they both have cameras and AR and blah blah but you can see they're development was done differently. The Vita interface is more customizable and the Vita itself is totally about the social experience of gaming. The 3DS isn't as customizable but the interface is simple enough for anyone to grasp. The social aspect is also limited outside of swapnote. When you play games with random people online you don't even have the option to add them. It's more a private experience that can be shared with friends.

And before you respond with some nonsense I love both my handhelds and actually do own them both.
Yes, I do know AR has been around for a long time. It just seems more than a coincidence that it has AR and is the direct competitor to the 3DS. Yes, the memory cards aren't HUNDREDS of dollars, but they are still a huge rip off. Why can't we just use an SD card? (P.S. *their)
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Yes, I do know AR has been around for a long time. It just seems more than a coincidence that it has AR and is the direct competitor to the 3DS. Yes, the memory cards aren't HUNDREDS of dollars, but they are still a huge rip off. Why can't we just use an SD card?
...because it's not the 3DS?
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Why can't we just use an SD card? (P.S. *their)
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...because it's not the 3DS?
Well, I just meant that there's not really anything you can do with the Vita's memory. For example, you can't connect it to your computer to download music to the system. (As far as I know at least.)
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Yes you can. That's what the USB cord is for that comes with it. They have a content manager just for that type of stuff.
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Yes you can. That's what the USB cord is for that comes with it. They have a content manager just for that type of stuff.
Ok, that makes the lack of SD support a bit more forgivable.
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Vita's back touch panel is great in theory but have you played Escape Plan? Fun game but it's like, you can't count against me for how many gestures I make when I touch the back panel on accident or can't find the right area to line up. I wish the developers had play tested that game better or even beta tested.

While I agree the stylus is more accurate I've made typos on my 3DS with the stylus and on the Vita with my finger. As far as stylus based games go, I've not used a stylus for anything 3DS related BUT Swapnote. A lot of the touch screen functions are an afterthought now which is kinda sad. I can kinda understand though, touchscreen used to be a novelty, now it's expected on most devices. I showed a guy a used PSP at work once and he immediately went to touch the screen lol.
Calibrating the touch screen might help, i always calibrated my ds's as i found the factory off from my eyes.

Guestures are a huge no no in my book.

whether touch or motion (known as waggle) they are consistantly proving themselves to be the least reliable and slowest responding methods of input.

first off, guestures must be completed before they can be analyzed and a response selected, second, no two people perform guestures exactly the same way.

utilizing an analog input and an ai routine to analyze input on the fly allows for far more flexibility and accuracy in early classification than pre determined swipe patterns.

They can also be combined with procedural animation to match up a predicted attack with a players actual movement, this 'snap to' technique often goes unnoticed by the large majority.

This is the difference between skyward sword and red ste 2, and red steel 1 and twilight princess.

Touch controls can be very similar, albiet on a simpler 2d plane.

So, i will not consider guesture controls, as i have long ago established them as a failure of potential.
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Yes, I do know AR has been around for a long time. It just seems more than a coincidence that it has AR and is the direct competitor to the 3DS. Yes, the memory cards aren't HUNDREDS of dollars, but they are still a huge rip off. Why can't we just use an SD card? (P.S. *their)
So they still stole the AR despite using the AR in two previous systems before the 3DS? I don't follow the logic there. And why thank you for correcting my spelling yet barely paying attention to my post.
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So they still stole the AR despite using the AR in two previous systems before the 3DS? I don't follow the logic there. And why thank you for correcting my spelling yet barely paying attention to my post.

Negative, my friend. The PSP did NOT have AR. Look it up. Also, how could the PS3 have AR if it doesn't have a camera? And BTW, you'll have to forgive me for correcting you spelling, I am a grammar Nazi so...yeah. And yes, I did pay attention to all of your post, I just replied to the things I considered relevant.
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Negative, my friend. The PSP did NOT have AR. Look it up. Also, how could the PS3 have AR if it doesn't have a camera? And BTW, you'll have to forgive me for correcting you spelling, I am a grammar Nazi so...yeah. And yes, I did pay attention to all of your post, I just replied to the things I considered relevant.
No offense but you need to look up what you're saying before you say it.

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Negative, my friend. The PSP did NOT have AR. Look it up. Also, how could the PS3 have AR if it doesn't have a camera? And BTW, you'll have to forgive me for correcting you spelling, I am a grammar Nazi so...yeah. And yes, I did pay attention to all of your post, I just replied to the things I considered relevant.
The PSP and PS3 did, in fact have AR. False claims get infracted around here, so make sure that if you do not know something as a fact - or don't have something with substantial evidence - you don't make it appear as if you do.

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yup, the psp did have a camera attachment. Augmented Reality is pretty old also. It apparently didn't get named Augmented Reality til 1990.

now stop this nonsense and go play your InVizimals.
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yup, the psp did have a camera attachment. Augmented Reality is pretty old also. It apparently didn't get named Augmented Reality til 1990.

now stop this nonsense and go play your InVizimals.
Did Invizimals and EyePet really sell that well? It was one of those games that we had max 2 copies of in store. I know they had that Invizimals PSP bundle though.
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Did Invizimals and EyePet really sell that well? It was one of those games that we had max 2 copies of in store. I know they had that Invizimals PSP bundle though.
Probably not, I dunno. I could look it up, but the PSP camera never interested me that much.
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Probably not, I dunno. I could look it up, but the PSP camera never interested me that much.
You can use the Vita camera as a substitute apparently but who's gonna buy the Vita to play Invizimals pfft.
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You can use the Vita camera as a substitute apparently but who's gonna buy the Vita to play Invizimals pfft.
Duh, I told you on Skype that I would. That's like, the best game ever made!
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You can use the Vita camera as a substitute apparently but who's gonna buy the Vita to play Invizimals pfft.
LOL, that is sooo true.
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Duh, I told you on Skype that I would. That's like, the best game ever made!
Ha I totally missed that. I do think it's pretty cool that they added the backwards compatibility with the camera though. I don't even know if they have the digital versions of the game though. I don't even know if they're playable on Vita. I'd totes get EyePet though.
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A guy with Hylian in his name doesn't know what he's talking about when things not Nintendo is in the mix? Not surprised.

Also, Vita doesn't need this:

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A guy with Hylian in his name doesn't know what he's talking about when things not Nintendo is in the mix? Not surprised.

Also, Vita doesn't need this:

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Sexy.

I want that 3rd analog attachment.

Trying to play FPS's with only two analog sticks is frustrating as hell.
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A guy with Hylian in his name doesn't know what he's talking about when things not Nintendo is in the mix? Not surprised.

Also, Vita doesn't need this:



In all seriousness, that's hilarious. xD
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I understand what the guy is saying about AR. It's not built into the system, period. That's like saying the Game Boy Color had rumble because some cartridges came equipped with the feature. That would be erroneous in my view and so it's erroneous to say the PSP and PS3 had AR just because they had like two games that were bundled with an accessory. The 3DS was the first console to include the feature in the hardware itself so it could be used by anyone who owned the console and in any game.
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Just shut up and let it go. Stop stirring **** back up. You know, this thread really does live up to its name... I don't believe I've seen one civil argument since it really got started.
Then maybe you should take the first step then. In any case read some of my posts and many others, others and myself have stated our opinions thus far without trolling or falling back on fanboyism.

As a side note: I picked up Unit 13 yesterday and have already played a few hours. As a fan of the most recent socom it is amazing, I just wish it had competitive multiplayer. Vita playtime looks like its going to be way up with the daily challenges etc.

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I understand what the guy is saying about AR. It's not built into the system, period. That's like saying the Game Boy Color had rumble because some cartridges came equipped with the feature. That would be erroneous in my view and so it's erroneous to say the PSP and PS3 had AR just because they had like two games that were bundled with an accessory. The 3DS was the first console to include the feature in the hardware itself so it could be used by anyone who owned the console and in any game.
So wait, let me get this straight. Even though they had the idea, incorporated said idea, and used it BEFORE the 3DS came out they're a copy cat? Look if I had the idea that say for instance, my controller needed an add on but I already had the controller and released it would I be a copy cat if later on I built it into the controller? Are you telling me Nintendo stole their own idea when they put motion plus onto their new controllers by default? Or, 360 stole their idea by adding wifi INSIDE the new system. Or Sony just started selling the Dualshock 3 with the rumble instead of adding it onto the Sixaxis (which really has a whole other back story but you get the point)??

It comes down to they DID have AR and they're not copying it. They put a camera on the PSP and then thought "this is pretty cool" so they went with it. They'd already explored it as an option and thought they wanted to explore it more. It doesn't matter that it wasn't built in.
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Honestly, I don't think companies copy off each other. They're looking for what works, and I wouldn't go as far as saying that doing just that is considered copying.

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Honestly, I don't think companies copy off each other. They're looking for what works, and I wouldn't go as far as saying that doing just that is considered copying.

BUSINESS AS USUAL!
Yeah I think it's a natural thing. If I'm having trouble doing something I look to others for help or for tips on how they did something. Most devices have a camera now and a touchscreen and a bunch of other crap. If the Vita didn't have a camera the reviews would probably point it out. You know that how it goes "wow this is great but where is the all in one retractable swiss army knife on the Vita? 3DS has one..." And blah blah.
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So wait, let me get this straight. Even though they had the idea, incorporated said idea, and used it BEFORE the 3DS came out they're a copy cat? Look if I had the idea that say for instance, my controller needed an add on but I already had the controller and released it would I be a copy cat if later on I built it into the controller? Are you telling me Nintendo stole their own idea when they put motion plus onto their new controllers by default? Or, 360 stole their idea by adding wifi INSIDE the new system. Or Sony just started selling the Dualshock 3 with the rumble instead of adding it onto the Sixaxis (which really has a whole other back story but you get the point)??

It comes down to they DID have AR and they're not copying it. They put a camera on the PSP and then thought "this is pretty cool" so they went with it. They'd already explored it as an option and thought they wanted to explore it more. It doesn't matter that it wasn't built in.
That's not at all what I said. Did I say Nintendo created AR? Or AR itself was Nintendo's innovation?

What I did say is it was Nintendo that built the feature into the hardware so as to be used by a wide array of games, in small and big ways, first. That's their innovation. Sony did that second.

Everything that hits the mainstream always exists before. Nintendo didn't invent the analog stick either, yet they're the first to have ever incorporated an analog stick in the controller right from the start. Then Sony did it too. Sony wasn't like "An analog stick?! What's that?" They knew about it a long time before hearing of the N64, but it was Nintendo's integration of it, its view that it would become essential to videogaming in 3D and therefore needed to be there, that was innovative. It's the same thing with AR. It existed decades before Sony experimented with it on the PSP and PS3, but it's Nintendo that first thought the feature was so promising it should be an integral feature of the hardware and not just some accessory reserved for a couple of games. Makes sense?

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^ Well we don't know who planned or thought of having it integrated first, but nintendo did have it out first as part of the system.
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^ Well we don't know who planned or thought of having it integrated first, but nintendo did have it out first as part of the system.
Exactly. And take the circle pad pro for example. I know it's not exactly the same as the circle pad pro was revealed after the Vita, but the idea is the same as it was released before the Vita. Yes, some games on the 3DS could use two analog sticks before the Vita even came out if you bought the circle pad pro, but no, the 3DS does not have two analog sticks. The Vita remains the first handheld to have two analog sticks built-in from the start. I'm not gonna start taking away that innovation just because Nintendo put out an accessory for like three games.
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That's not at all what I said. Did I say Nintendo created AR? Or AR itself was Nintendo's innovation?

What I did say is it was Nintendo that built the feature into the hardware so as to be used by a wide array of games, in small and big ways, first. That's their innovation. Sony did that second.

Everything that hits the mainstream always exists before. Nintendo didn't invent the analog stick either, yet they're the first to have ever incorporated an analog stick in the controller right from the start. Then Sony did it too. Sony wasn't like "An analog stick?! What's that?" They knew about it a long time before hearing of the N64, but it was Nintendo's integration of it, its view that it would become essential to videogaming in 3D and therefore needed to be there, that was innovative. It's the same thing with AR. It existed decades before Sony experimented with it on the PSP and PS3, but it's Nintendo that first thought the feature was so promising it should be an integral feature of the hardware and not just some accessory reserved for a couple of games. Makes sense?
It makes sense that Nintendo first built the cameras/feature into their system but not that Vita "copied" them. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree with that. PSP already had AR on it even if it was a seperate device. Same with PS3. Even PS2 had camera related games though not necessarily with an AR card. DSi had a camera as well, were there a lot of AR games on the DSi? I personally never had one so I don't know. In a sense that could be considered a "seperate accessory" since there were models without the camera. Much like how the PSP added a mic in in it's later slimmer revisions.

The major point I was making with my initial posts to the guy was that Sony didn't copy Nintendo and I think that's pretty obvious. The guy who originally said something was basically stating the Vita was a copy of the 3DS and stole all the features. I think you kinda came in on the tail end of the responses I made. You should go see why the discussion came up in the first place.
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I think we can all agree that 3DS AR Cards > Vita AR Cards. I mean come on, you can not go past those awesome vibrant cards for the white blocky thing-ness of the Vita cards.
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I think we can all agree that 3DS AR Cards > Vita AR Cards. I mean come on, you can not go past those awesome vibrant cards for the white blocky thing-ness of the Vita cards.
I agree, but I hope we get more individual packs more games that come out. I thought they would have had one at least for 3d land, but a Metroid packwould be sweet. 3d mother brain!
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I agree, but I hope we get more individual packs more games that come out. I thought they would have had one at least for 3d land, but a Metroid packwould be sweet. 3d mother brain!
Yeah, that would of been cool. They need to make more use of the character cards other than using them as frozen statues.
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i dont see what who made the first ar games for their system between these two has to do with 3ds vs vita.

But, as far as im concerned its Sony, with the eye toy, not nintendo, i dont consider the game boy camera ar, and the dsi was too late.


As for which system does it better.

3d makes a HUGE difference to ar for me.

my list of ar coolness: from least to most

Fixed camera looking at player

Camera afixed to portable device looking at play area wherever player points it.

Same as above but in 3d.

I am totally stoked for spirit camera.
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Not anymore.

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Not anymore.

This is the "make garbage posts and you will die" thread.
ahhh, touche. My bad.
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Not anymore.

This is the "make garbage posts and you will die" thread.
Shouldnt the whole forum be like that?

if the crap people say has no accountability, its worthless garbage.

Get rid of it, and they dont get their rise, soon, since they have such short attention spans, they leave for forums better suited to their low brow tastes, and you are left with a forum full of intelligent thought provoking material.


On subject, to the fighters, is this thread in need of specs? I have recently aquired excellent information on the vita.

beyond the garbage non specs the 'journalists' reported.
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Shouldnt the whole forum be like that?

if the crap people say has no accountability, its worthless garbage.

Get rid of it, and they dont get their rise, soon, since they have such short attention spans, they leave for forums better suited to their low brow tastes, and you are left with a forum full of intelligent thought provoking material.
The whole forum already is like that.

People who make garbage posts end up getting banned for it.
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^ off topic, but your avatar is so mesmerizing.... I just can't stop watching (where is it from?)
It's from a music video with Nicki Minaj. I don't remember the video title or anything because I just watched her part lol.

Also both systems have their cool AR features. 3DS has the 3D and the Vita can use multiple cards in it's games. The Vita cards have a really weird texture to them though. I'd love to use my 3DS cards and see if Mario pops up on my Vita but I doubt it would work lol
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It's from a music video with Nicki Minaj. I don't remember the video title or anything because I just watched her part lol.

Also both systems have their cool AR features. 3DS has the 3D and the Vita can use multiple cards in it's games. The Vita cards have a really weird texture to them though. I'd love to use my 3DS cards and see if Mario pops up on my Vita but I doubt it would work lol


Sony has done the worst job marketing the wide angle augmented reality.

The 3ds can and HAS demostrated both multi card and no card AR capabilities. So to people who know the 3ds ar capabilities, sonys piss poor marketing, and the gaming medias incompetence makes it look like complete BS.

But its not.


WAAR is NOT about using multiple cards, its almost like ar cards arent even in the acronym or something.

Its about the increased processing power of the vita allowing for more powerful terrain identification and discernation, and from a wider viewing angle (further away).

This means that non level terrain, that the 3ds has difficulty interacting with on a sophistcated level, can be used in sophisticated ways by the vita, such as making your room a playground for a platformer.

Great job Sony, great job game 'journalists' you have this amazing technology and all youve managed to convey to people is that both the 3ds and vita have weaker ar capabilities than they actually do.
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I dont think most people who have purchased a 3DS or a Vita even care that much about AR anyway. So it doesnt really matter. No matter how GREAT either system can do AR isnt going to matter if it never becomes anything more than a tech demo type game.

I doubt anyone bought the system(s) solely for AR or even for that feature at all. At least I for one, didnt.

It would be nice if either system had an AR "killer app" but I dont see it happening. AR to me, is like the motion controlling... I dont care for it.
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I dont think most people who have purchased a 3DS or a Vita even care that much about AR anyway. So it doesnt really matter. No matter how GREAT either system can do AR isnt going to matter if it never becomes anything more than a tech demo type game.

I doubt anyone bought the system(s) solely for AR or even for that feature at all. At least I for one, didnt.

It would be nice if either system had an AR "killer app" but I dont see it happening. AR to me, is like the motion controlling... I dont care for it.
3ds most certainly has an ar killer app coming out soon for me.

Of course, im a pretty big fatal frame fan, and spirit camera is packing some of my favourite horror themes and tropes... and performing them through ar.
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3ds most certainly has an ar killer app coming out soon for me.

Of course, im a pretty big fatal frame fan, and spirit camera is packing some of my favourite horror themes and tropes... and performing them through ar.
I hope its as good as YOU hope it will be! I find it sad that things like Motion Control and AR only have a handful of titles worth the technology being developed.
Old 03-10-2012, 06:19 PM
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So wait, let me get this straight. Even though they had the idea, incorporated said idea, and used it BEFORE the 3DS came out they're a copy cat? Look if I had the idea that say for instance, my controller needed an add on but I already had the controller and released it would I be a copy cat if later on I built it into the controller? Are you telling me Nintendo stole their own idea when they put motion plus onto their new controllers by default? Or, 360 stole their idea by adding wifi INSIDE the new system. Or Sony just started selling the Dualshock 3 with the rumble instead of adding it onto the Sixaxis (which really has a whole other back story but you get the point)??

It comes down to they DID have AR and they're not copying it. They put a camera on the PSP and then thought "this is pretty cool" so they went with it. They'd already explored it as an option and thought they wanted to explore it more. It doesn't matter that it wasn't built in.
The eye toy is not Augmented reality, the Eye toy is Augmented Virtuality. Completely different things. Besides smart phones had AR before both of them
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I hope its as good as YOU hope it will be! I find it sad that things like Motion Control and AR only have a handful of titles worth the technology being developed.
I find it absolutely infuriating. More motion control as its an entire generation of failed potential, with only two games out of its entire library that rose to and beat the motion control challenge.

It would be like the n64 going its entire life cycle using the analog stick as an 8 way joystick until the last year if its life, mario 64 comes out.... At the end of the generation analog controls for sunshine or windwaker would be as primitive as they were for mario 64 or oot.

We are an entire generation behind where we should be on motion controls. The only two real games to use it the way that shows its proof of concept are at the primitive pioneering level that belongs at the beginning of the generation... They should have been the foundation the entire gen was built off of.

argh... This is a different topic, but its one of those ones always on my mind.

As for spirit camera, ive done my research and know i will be most pleased with it. Its shortcomings line up with my expectations of pioneering technology while its strengths and its novelty is something that appeals hugely to me.

I fully plan on making a cover for the ar pamphlet so it actually looks like an old possessed diary. XD
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What annoys me is the blind eye people turn to the Vita. Granted, I'm going to get one, and I think it is a great system, it amazes me how the SAME things that people criticized the 3ds for( AKA a lot of people on this forum.) they don't breath a word about the Vita, or they try to make excuses for. I guess my point is: Don't try to diss a system or put it down, because you never know how fate will turn out.
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That could go both ways. The same ppl who praised the 3DS, even with its faults, find some of everything to find wrong with the Vita. Neither system is perfect and whoever believes one or the other is is blind.
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What annoys me is the blind eye people turn to the Vita. Granted, I'm going to get one, and I think it is a great system, it amazes me how the SAME things that people criticized the 3ds for( AKA a lot of people on this forum.) they don't breath a word about the Vita, or they try to make excuses for. I guess my point is: Don't try to diss a system or put it down, because you never know how fate will turn out.
what exactly are you referring to? Battery life? Augmented Reality? Prices of games? Elaborate por favor.
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what exactly are you referring to? Battery life? Augmented Reality? Prices of games? Elaborate por favor.
I think they mean battery life/price of games for the most part.
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what exactly are you referring to? Battery life? Augmented Reality? Prices of games? Elaborate por favor.
Neither. I'm talking about sales, lack of games, not being able to use all it's features we were promised, etc.
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^ I agree, though I do think given how long it has been out it is doing notably better then the 3ds. Though for the time bieng the 3ds has by far the best game catalogue (in terms of what has been released and is likely to be released this year).
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Neither. I'm talking about sales, lack of games, not being able to use all it's features we were promised, etc.
Ah, makes sense. The only thing Im going to disagree with is lack of games. The Launch lineup is better on the Vita IMO, and we had day one access to the PSN store with PSP games and PSP Minis... even though we arent privy to every game. If you include that, there technically isnt a lack of games, or at least there is a lot more than the 3DS launch had.

But I agree with everything else, although the only "promised" feature it didnt launch with, is PS1 compatibility.
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Ah, makes sense. The only thing Im going to disagree with is lack of games. The Launch lineup is better on the Vita IMO, and we had day one access to the PSN store with PSP games and PSP Minis... even though we arent privy to every game. If you include that, there technically isnt a lack of games, or at least there is a lot more than the 3DS launch had.

But I agree with everything else, although the only "promised" feature it didnt launch with, is PS1 compatibility.
PS1 compatibilty? I didn't even hear about that. But yes, I hope the Vita improves( Saleswise.) The 3ds needs competition. Plus, low sales give Sony and the other gaming companies the imprssion that gamers don't want/ don't care for awesome, high-powered handhelds.
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Ya' know one characterist I think no one had mention is that the 3ds has the 2 screens which allows you to semifold it and put it on a desk for not only use it while you are holding it and thats amazing and much more comfortable than having to hold a Vita for using it...
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Ya' know one characterist I think no one had mention is that the 3ds has the 2 screens which allows you to semifold it and put it on a desk for not only use it while you are holding it and thats amazing and much more comfortable than having to hold a Vita for using it...
Have you ever held the Vita?
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Ya' know one characterist I think no one had mention is that the 3ds has the 2 screens which allows you to semifold it and put it on a desk for not only use it while you are holding it and thats amazing and much more comfortable than having to hold a Vita for using it...
I did not understand this post one bit.
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Ah, makes sense. The only thing Im going to disagree with is lack of games. The Launch lineup is better on the Vita IMO, and we had day one access to the PSN store with PSP games and PSP Minis... even though we arent privy to every game. If you include that, there technically isnt a lack of games, or at least there is a lot more than the 3DS launch had.

But I agree with everything else, although the only "promised" feature it didnt launch with, is PS1 compatibility.
3ds had the entire ds library if you want to say psp games. Ps Vita's launch game wise destroyed 3ds launch game wise. I dont like to include last gen
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So far from my retail experience 3DS sales vs Vita sales go like this. 90% of the people who buy a 3DS buy it for their kids, 10% of them are young adults who buy it on their own. 90% of the people who buy a Vita are young adults who buy it on their own, 10% are parents buying them for kids. Problem Sony? I think yes. Why did you have to give up on Crash Bandicoot?
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So far from my retail experience 3DS sales vs Vita sales go like this. 90% of the people who buy a 3DS buy it for their kids, 10% of them are young adults who buy it on their own. 90% of the people who buy a Vita are young adults who buy it on their own, 10% are parents buying them for kids. Problem Sony? I think yes. Why did you have to give up on Crash Bandicoot?
I would kill to get a Crash game on the Vita. I've never played any, but they look SO MUCH FUN.

Also Sony needs a kid-friendly mascot like Mario if they want their consoles to sell better. I see lots of potential; Crash, Sackboy, etc.
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3ds had the entire ds library if you want to say psp games. Ps Vita's launch game wise destroyed 3ds launch game wise. I dont like to include last gen
Im talking strictly Digital downloading.

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I would kill to get a Crash game on the Vita. I've never played any, but they look SO MUCH FUN.

Also Sony needs a kid-friendly mascot like Mario if they want their consoles to sell better. I see lots of potential; Crash, Sackboy, etc.
Well, when we get PS1 compatibility on our Vita, you can download all the Crash Games from the PS1 era!

I also recommend the first Rayman, as well.
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I want to replay the original Ape Escape on the Vita.

The port "On the Loose" didn't work out very well for the lack of dual nubs on the PSP.
Now that the Vita has 2 analog sticks, this game could be very enjoyable on it.
Without any frustrating controls.
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Basically, I think Salamence is saying the 3DS is more compact than the Vita, which is true. What I find weird, is that implies the 3DS is more comfortable than the Vita.

Which I don't find true at all, although I'm not saying the Vita is more comfortable. Comfort only comes from how regularly you use it. That said, my 3DS was inactive for while before I picked up my Vita. I played the heck out of the Vita in it's first week. My sister only recently got a 3DS herself, and as such she... well, I guess it was a complete and utter begging to verse her in Mario Kart 7. First time I had picked up the 3DS in ages and it was a a little box of hand pain.

In order to get comfort with it, you need to consistently use it. So I'll be using my 3DS a little more often at this point.

Especially with Kid Icarus coming around the corner.

EDIT: DAMNIT WASN'T ON THE LAST PAGE! Oh well, point still stands.
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When I tried it for the first time I thought it was perfect size. I think that the vita is the better as a piece of hardware than 3DS but it's the games which decides how good a system is.
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Basically, I think Salamence is saying the 3DS is more compact than the Vita, which is true. What I find weird, is that implies the 3DS is more comfortable than the Vita.

Which I don't find true at all, although I'm not saying the Vita is more comfortable. Comfort only comes from how regularly you use it. That said, my 3DS was inactive for while before I picked up my Vita. I played the heck out of the Vita in it's first week. My sister only recently got a 3DS herself, and as such she... well, I guess it was a complete and utter begging to verse her in Mario Kart 7. First time I had picked up the 3DS in ages and it was a a little box of hand pain.

In order to get comfort with it, you need to consistently use it. So I'll be using my 3DS a little more often at this point.

Especially with Kid Icarus coming around the corner.

EDIT: DAMNIT WASN'T ON THE LAST PAGE! Oh well, point still stands.
I personally find the Vita more comfortable then the 3DS. Doesnt feel to small for my hands. Has those grooves for your fingers to go on the back of the system and the shoulder buttons are bigger and alot less clicky. At first though the analog sticks felt pretty weird as opposed to the PS3's but Im now use to them.
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Well, when we get PS1 compatibility on our Vita, you can download all the Crash Games from the PS1 era!

I also recommend the first Rayman, as well.
I hope PS1 compatibility is finished by the time I pick mine up. I'll get the PS1 Rayman, just as I'll get Origins. I really liked the PC demo.
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I still find the 3ds more comfortable than the Vita. The Vita isn't bad at all but it just doesn't feel as natural and "tight" and I don't feel as "in control" as when playing on the 3DS. That said, the Vita would be more comfortable if you were to want to use the d-pad, but I never use the d-pad.
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I would kill to get a Crash game on the Vita. I've never played any, but they look SO MUCH FUN.

Also Sony needs a kid-friendly mascot like Mario if they want their consoles to sell better. I see lots of potential; Crash, Sackboy, etc.
They already have a mascot or mascot I guess you can say. Toro and Kuro.

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I still find the 3ds more comfortable than the Vita. The Vita isn't bad at all but it just doesn't feel as natural and "tight" and I don't feel as "in control" as when playing on the 3DS. That said, the Vita would be more comfortable if you were to want to use the d-pad, but I never use the d-pad.
I hate the 3DS d-pad even though nintendo created the d-pad Sony perfected it.
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I hate the 3DS d-pad even though nintendo created the d-pad Sony perfected it.
I agree!

One gripe that is probably mostly me, is that I like the 360 controller setup, so if the Vita, had the analog stick where the d-pad is and vice versa, it would be a little more comfortable IMO.
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I agree!

One gripe that is probably mostly me, is that I like the 360 controller setup, so if the Vita, had the analog stick where the d-pad is and vice versa, it would be a little more comfortable IMO.
Yea, reversing the d-pad and left stick, but leaving the right side the same would be really great.
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I agree!

One gripe that is probably mostly me, is that I like the 360 controller setup, so if the Vita, had the analog stick where the d-pad is and vice versa, it would be a little more comfortable IMO.
It fills so much more comfortable.
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This is just something I've been thinking but.....do you all think that maybe the WiiU will have a larger impact on the Vita sales this holiday season rather than the 3DS? At least in the US this holiday will be the Vita's first holiday but the WiiU will probably be out by then which means it will get shafted from being the 'newest thing'.
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This is just something I've been thinking but.....do you all think that maybe the WiiU will have a larger impact on the Vita sales this holiday season rather than the 3DS? At least in the US this holiday will be the Vita's first holiday but the WiiU will probably be out by then which means it will get shafted from being the 'newest thing'.

Two different markets.

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Two different markets.
Yeah.....no. Gaming is gaming. As long as the two are going after the same people's money then they're in competition. Especially if the two are going to have similar games. Whether or not you believe this or not, the WiiU no doubt will take away that 'newness' of the Vita.
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Yeah.....no. Gaming is gaming. As long as the two are going after the same people's money then they're in competition. Especially if the two are going to have similar games. Whether or not you believe this or not, the WiiU no doubt will take away that 'newness' of the Vita.
Good laugh.

One's a handheld, and one's a home console.

People interested in the Wii U would be into console gaming.

And people interested in the Vita would be into portable gaming.

The Vita's main competitor is the 3DS and always will be.
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
How? Can you please explain this to me.
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
I disagree whole-heartily.
The PSVita has smashing graphics, interesting mechanics, and main selling features are available to all.
That.. and it has two analog sticks right out of the factory. The game line-up for the PSVita is amazing as well.

Have you ever played a PSVita?
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
That's bull****. The other parts of your post are just opinions I don't agree with, this statement is FALSE.
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
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I disagree whole-heartily.
The PSVita has smashing graphics, interesting mechanics, and main selling features are available to all.
That.. and it has two analog sticks right out of the factory. The game line-up for the PSVita is amazing as well.

Have you ever played a PSVita?
This.
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This.
And most likely not.
Especially since a good portion of the worlds population can't even view the 3D effect on a Nintendo 3DS.
Most of the population that can play video games can make full use of the features on a PSVita.
I say most because some fanboy is going to come a long and say, "people without hands or ears can't do it."
Well, is a person without hands or ears going to be playing video games? -_-
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The PSVita has a larger resolution, and not all people can view the 3D or it just makes them sick.
Sony doesn't needs its own franchises to have great games on its console, ya know.
If you're using a gyroscope, you likely won't be able to even view the 3D effect.
And does anybody care about symbols like that? Nobody buys a system for that.
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By the way, Sepharos; I think most people CAN actually see the 3DS's 3D effect. They just complain about it hurting their eyes before even trying.
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Look, another one -_-
By the way, Sepharos; I think most people CAN actually see the 3DS's 3D effect. They just complain about it hurting their eyes before even trying.
I know I'm unable to see the 3D and I think it's 20% of the population or something that also can't.
Don't quote me on that percentage, but I know it's fairly high.
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I can see 3D just fine and not get sick but I prefer to play in 2D.
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Not to be funny Seph but have you ever had your vision checked?
I wear glasses/contacts. :3 My eyes are just really crap.
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I know I'm unable to see the 3D and I think it's 20% of the population or something that also can't.
Don't quote me on that percentage, but I know it's fairly high.
I CAN see the 3D, but in some games the 3D is better than others. Also you need to get used to the 3D and in order for me, personally to see it I need to be staring at it in the right position.
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I wear glasses/contacts. :3 My eyes are just really crap.
I wear glasses too and I can see the 3D. I'm nearsighted though so that might have something to do with it.
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I know I'm unable to see the 3D and I think it's 20% of the population or something that also can't.
Don't quote me on that percentage, but I know it's fairly high.
Why can't you see 3D? If you have two eyes next to each other on your face, you should be able to see 3D, even with vision problems.
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Why can't you see 3D? If you have two eyes next to each other on your face, you should be able to see 3D, even with vision problems.
I'm sure it's a mental issue or something, I don't think it really matters too much.
I didn't buy a Nintendo 3DS for the 3D effect, I bought it for the games, as it should be.
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Why can't you see 3D? If you have two eyes next to each other on your face, you should be able to see 3D, even with vision problems.
I know one guy who comes to my job a lot who cancelled his 3DS reserve because he's legally blind I think. Meaning he wouldn't see the 3D.
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The Nintendo 3DS is much better than the PlayStation Vita. The 3DS has more features and better games. The PSVita looks like a disappointment, in my opinion.
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The 3DS is not much better. Techincally it's worse, technically it has less features, and it has games that you like better. It's really unfair to compare a system 2 months into life compared to 13.

Comparing Launch to Launch games, the Vita surpasses the 3DS by far!
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It's really unfair to compare a system 2 months into life compared to 13.
Didn't stop people from comparing Vita/3DS before the Vita was even out. :P...
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Comparing Launch to Launch games, the Vita surpasses the 3DS by far!
Who plays just launch games though?, generally launch games aren't as good as early adopters like to claim they are, most lack content and have no real lasting appeal.

I bought my 3DS mainly for games that I knew were coming and also ones I hoped would come, which so far is paying off.

I do rate what i've seen of the hardware of the Vita, but so far there are no games either out or confirmed that are compelling me to buy it. I know that's all down to personal tastes, but looking at the sales figures it's not just me. I really do hope that changes though, which i'm sure it will, as I do plan on getting one when the types of games I like are released.
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Who plays just launch games though?, generally launch games aren't as good as early adopters like to claim they are, most lack content and have no real lasting appeal.

I bought my 3DS mainly for games that I knew were coming and also ones I hoped would come, which so far is paying off.

I do rate what i've seen of the hardware of the Vita, but so far there are no games either out or confirmed that are compelling me to buy it. I know that's all down to personal tastes, but looking at the sales figures it's not just me. I really do hope that changes though, which i'm sure it will, as I do plan on getting one when the types of games I like are released.
Ughhhh, Gravity Rush?

Need I say more
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Ughhhh, Gravity Rush?

Need I say more
You can say as much as you like, i've seen the hype, read some details and watched some videos, and so far it doesn't appeal to me, not enough to buy a Vita for anyway. I know some games need to be played to get into and i'd probably be more interested if I already owned a Vita but GR definitely won't be the game that makes me buy one.
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You can say as much as you like, i've seen the hype, read some details and watched some videos, and so far it doesn't appeal to me, not enough to buy a Vita for anyway. I know some games need to be played to get into and i'd probably be more interested if I already owned a Vita but GR definitely won't be the game that makes me buy one.
mmm, everyone's different. Like i probably won't buy the majority of the titles either (probs same as you). But like in a general sense and looking through a general gamer's perspective, the Vita launch lineup was much better than the 3DS's launch lineup. I probably won't be getting any of the launch games (maybe bar Wipeout), but they are indisputably of better quality.

Looking into the two platforms's future support.


The vita will probably get more Western Console AAA ports/companion games. So Resistance, GT, Call of Duty etc. You will also get higher quality JRPG's, although we won't have the disparity between DS and PSP in terms of support due to the 3DS's increased graphical prowess). Maybe more JRPG's will be developed for the 3DS due to lower developmental costs involved with worse hardware? Who knows, but console companion games will be a biggy for the Vita's support.

3DS will obviously get it's Nintendo franchises.
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mmm, everyone's different. Like i probably won't buy the majority of the titles either (probs same as you). But like in a general sense and looking through a general gamer's perspective, the Vita launch lineup was much better than the 3DS's launch lineup. I probably won't be getting any of the launch games (maybe bar Wipeout), but they are indisputably of better quality.

Looking into the two platforms's future support.


The vita will probably get more Western Console AAA ports/companion games. So Resistance, GT, Call of Duty etc. You will also get higher quality JRPG's, although we won't have the disparity between DS and PSP in terms of support due to the 3DS's increased graphical prowess). Maybe more JRPG's will be developed for the 3DS due to lower developmental costs involved with worse hardware? Who knows, but console companion games will be a biggy for the Vita's support.

3DS will obviously get it's Nintendo franchises.
As I said, I find people debating over launch line-ups pretty pointless, i'm talking about continued support.

I am what I would call a general gamer, I play quite a bit , have done for years and enjoy a variety of games including the likes of Mario, Zelda, Resi' Evil, COD, GT, GTA and so on and so on.

So far on the 3DS i've already got games that suit my tastes that I can only get on the 3DS and I see many more coming up.

When I see confirmation and details of games like GT, COD, Resi' and other games that suit my tastes on the Vita, that I can't get for any of the consoles that I already own, then I will buy one. It will be win win for me and I won't be worrying over which had the better launch line up.
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Yeah, definitely get Wipeout 2048 Javik. I don't think I'd own a Vita without that game. It's kind of like the equivalent of Mario Kart 7 for the Vita at the moment. I'm not currently looking forward to anything other than Gravity Rush, but I assume the Vita will get some sort of racing franchise this year like Need for Speed or something like that.
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Yeah, definitely get Wipeout 2048 Javik. I don't think I'd own a Vita without that game. It's kind of like the equivalent of Mario Kart 7 for the Vita at the moment. I'm not currently looking forward to anything other than Gravity Rush, but I assume the Vita will get some sort of racing franchise this year like Need for Speed or something like that.
Wipout is the one game so far that I like the look of, but i'm not a fan of the wipeout games.

If the Vita get's some proper driving games, arcade and sims, with the look and polish of Wipeout then i'm sold.
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Personally I just want Bioshock to come out, but that is just my type of game. Wipeout and GR look really good too though. I kind of wish the vita could get a completely new original Res Evil game, that would be close to Revelations level. I don't just want a port of that.
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Personally I just want Bioshock to come out, but that is just my type of game. Wipeout and GR look really good too though. I kind of wish the vita could get a completely new original Res Evil game, that would be close to Revelations level. I don't just want a port of that.
There's been some talk about the game possibly releasing this year.

But I highly doubt it.

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I wear glasses/contacts. :3 My eyes are just really crap.
Even without my contact lenses/glasses, I can still see the 3D with my crappy eye vision.

Funny.

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Yeah, definitely get Wipeout 2048 Javik. I don't think I'd own a Vita without that game. It's kind of like the equivalent of Mario Kart 7 for the Vita at the moment. I'm not currently looking forward to anything other than Gravity Rush, but I assume the Vita will get some sort of racing franchise this year like Need for Speed or something like that.
EB games is offering iPod Touch tradins so i could very possibly get $250 from 1 3rd Gen 16gb, and 1 4th Gen 32 gb that i never use anymore.

So that's about 80 bucks for a Vita! wooo
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I'm a proud owner of both a Vita and a 3DS. I like them both for different reasons, but as with my DS vs my PSP, I imagine I'll be getting much more use out of the 3DS in the long run, as I'm not a fan of shooters/racers/etc. As for a few comparisons:

AR Games:

Man did Nintendo knock Sony out of the park on this one. Tapping fireworks? No thanks, I'll take shooting dragons. Now if what I hear about Sony developing cardless/markerless AR is true THEN they could get a leg up. For now? Nah.

Welcome Park vs. Face Raiders:

Essentially both systems built in "play this until you get a real game" software. Welcome Park is more of a tutorial with trophies built in. Face Raiders is just to have fun with, and I think is better for it. They could've easily made Welcome Park fun too, if they had tried.

Games:

I've played Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Escape Plan on Vita. Uncharted: Golden Abyss is excellent if you like the Uncharted series. And you really see the need for a second analog stick here, it definitely makes the game much better than if I were using the touch screen to rotate the camera. Escape Plan, however, is more like a .99 iPhone game and it doesn't even do that very well. With the 3DS it took a while to get its killer (non-remake) app, in Super Mario 3D Land. I think Uncharted: Golden Abyss easily stands for any Uncharted fan as a system-seller for the Vita though.

Other features, backwards compatibility, etc:

First and foremost the backwards compatibility in Vita is atrocious. No UMD slot, no UMD-to-Vita transfer program, PSOne Classics aren't even available for it yet, and not even every PSP and Mini in the PSN Store works on the Vita yet. It took a while for Nintendo to get DSiWare and the eShop up and running, but at least DS games still worked on the 3DS before then. The Vita's menu is definitely better than the 3DS, but then you have little stupid things like the browser not being multitask capable unless you trick it by going into LiveTweet first.

So as it stands:

Hardware and OS: Vita wins.

Innovation and Games: 3DS wins.

(for me, and Vita will be a much more attractive system once Persona 4: The Golden comes out)
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Nice write up MidgardDragon. It's good to see some comparisons from someone who seems to take things at face value and not coming at it from an angle.
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One thing that's super annoying with the Vita is the PSN always seems to be down or undergoing maintenance, and when the PSN is down, you can't play games online, see your friends' times or even watch Netflix. Three times already since I got my Vita I was trying to play Wipeout online and played Mario Kart 7 instead because PSN wasn't working. Sony needs to stop with that.
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One thing that's super annoying with the Vita is the PSN always seems to be down or undergoing maintenance, and when the PSN is down, you can't play games online, see your friends' times or even watch Netflix. Three times already since I got my Vita I was trying to play Wipeout online and played Mario Kart 7 instead because PSN wasn't working. Sony needs to stop with that.
But Sony's network is totally free which can be considered as a bad thing and as a good thing. Sony hasn't enough resources to watch over their network like Microsoft on Xbox.
That's why Sony's network is slow and can be much easily attacked by hackers.
Remember when PSN was down because of hackers? I think i didn't even touch the whole system for a month.
AND after that problem was fixed, they gave us TWO free games which everyone already had! Damn Sony!
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One thing that's super annoying with the Vita is the PSN always seems to be down or undergoing maintenance, and when the PSN is down, you can't play games online, see your friends' times or even watch Netflix. Three times already since I got my Vita I was trying to play Wipeout online and played Mario Kart 7 instead because PSN wasn't working. Sony needs to stop with that.
Is this the US PSN? Because as far as I know it has only been down once since the Vita came out, so you might want to check your connection.
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Warhawk Series

Just to name a few
Legend of dragoon
colony wars
dark cloud
ghost hunter
arc the lad
demon souls
midevil
parappa the rapper

to name a few more.

Man what i wouldnt give for a ps3 dark cloud.

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But Sony's network is totally free which can be considered as a bad thing and as a good thing. Sony hasn't enough resources to watch over their network like Microsoft on Xbox.
That's why Sony's network is slow and can be much easily attacked by hackers.
Remember when PSN was down because of hackers? I think i didn't even touch the whole system for a month.
AND after that problem was fixed, they gave us TWO free games which everyone already had! Damn Sony!
Nintendo's network is also free and I've never had any problems apart from two or three isolated communication errors.


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Is this the US PSN? Because as far as I know it has only been down once since the Vita came out, so you might want to check your connection.
I think it's been undergoing maintenance twice, and last night it wasn't any previously announced maintenance but the fact remains that I could connect to the internet on my laptop, on my phone, on my tablet and on my 3DS, and the Vita would not work even though I tried several times throughout the evening. If it's not the PSN then it's even worse because that would mean it's a problem with the Vita itself. I've also gotten more communication errors playing my Vita than I've ever had playing my 3DS, so it's not my connection.
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I think it's been undergoing maintenance twice, and last night it wasn't any previously announced maintenance but the fact remains that I could connect to the internet on my laptop, on my phone, on my tablet and on my 3DS, and the Vita would not work even though I tried several times throughout the evening. If it's not the PSN then it's even worse because that would mean it's a problem with the Vita itself. I've also gotten more communication errors playing my Vita than I've ever had playing my 3DS, so it's not my connection.
Then it must be your specific model. I don't have any problems with my vita.
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Then it must be your specific model. I don't have any problems with my vita.
Yeah, if anything; playing MK7 on my 3DS is always a 50/50 chance of connection error so I hardly play it anymore
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Same here, I really hate getting connection error in the middle of the race on MK7.
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Same here, I really hate getting connection error in the middle of the race on MK7.
I hardly can get on most of the time. I need to turn of my laptop, my iPod, my phone, and my iPad and anything else than is even connected to my WiFi network (not even using it) for me to even get a chance. Annoying when I'm getting a Ping of 30 and dl speeds of 1.5m/s and I can't connect to Mk..
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Well, my problem is probably lies within my crappy broadband, it's frickin 384 kbps! Kinda sad..
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I'm not sure why these connection errors appear.
I just a moment ago, played The Mercenaries 3D, which isn't really supported game on 3DS.
They haven't updated it's graphics or network errors, but, i did manage to get only one error. I think that the errors have something to do with your own network connection but i'm not entirely sure.

[QUOTE]Nintendo's network is also free and I've never had any problems apart from two or three isolated communication errors.[QUOTE]

Well, has anybody ever hacked Nintendo's network, huh?
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I used to have a lot of problems with connecting my 3ds as well. Even to the point where I called my cable customer service and Nintendo's after my cable company said they couldn't help. Turns out that the problem was that I had a belkin wireless router(Cheap peice of junk). Anyway I went to the store immediately and bought a higher quality router and I haven't had problems anymore. I have the fastest speed that my cable provider offers and like I said since I bought the new router I haven't had any issues.
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Well, has anybody ever hacked Nintendo's network, huh?
Not being hacked is simply a reason of not being targeted.
If a good hacker or group wanted to, and had the knowledge, they could no doubt do it.
Not being hacked doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Not being hacked is simply a reason of not being targeted.
If a good hacker or group wanted to, and had the knowledge, they could no doubt do it.
Not being hacked doesn't mean it can't be done.
I'm well aware of that. I didn't think my post would make any point in anything.
But, i still don't understand why PSN would be down.
Wasn't it hacked twice?
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Not being hacked is simply a reason of not being targeted.
If a good hacker or group wanted to, and had the knowledge, they could no doubt do it.
Not being hacked doesn't mean it can't be done.
Nintendo were hacked, by Lulzsec at the same time as Sony, however no data was stolen and they said they like both Nintendo and Sega and would rather hack for them than against them.

I never have any problems playing MK7 online, except maybe a bit of a delay between games sometimes which I presume is caused by players quitting.
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If you guys have too many problems with MK7, it's your router, it's been proven many times. Theogre's post is one more account of that.

And the PSN doesn't need to be hacked to not work.
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I'm just going to go out on a limb and say just judging from the footage of the 3DS Dynasty Warriors game it wont be saved by Link or Samus, especially when compared to the Vita version.

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I know it's not out yet but damn does the 3DS version look like its lacking a serious amount of characters on the screen at once.... which in Dynasty Warriors is pretty lame.
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I'm just going to go out on a limb and say just judging from the footage of the 3DS Dynasty Warriors game it wont be saved by Link or Samus, especially when compared to the Vita version.

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I know it's not out yet but damn does the 3DS version look like its lacking a serious amount of characters on the screen at once.... which in Dynasty Warriors is pretty lame.
Well, I don't think it's a good time to judge the 3DS version. I mean, after all, the only thing that's been shown with the 3DS version is what we've seen from its "It's gonna come to the 3DS" video, but no gameplay-only videos, while that video you had shown up there is gameplay-only for the Vita. Not really a fair comparison. :T
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There is gameplay in the video I linked for 3DS..... it looks terrible.... please watch before posting.
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There is gameplay in the video I linked for 3DS..... it looks terrible.... please watch before posting.
The thing is, that with the 3DS version, it isn't the final product, but instead a demo. With the Vita version, it is the final product. Comparing them at this point in time is really just silly.
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Dynasty Warriors is pretty lame.
agreed .
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The thing is, that with the 3DS version, it isn't the final product, but instead a demo. With the Vita version, it is the final product. Comparing them at this point in time is really just silly.
It just doesn't bode well. That's why I said I am calling it now, just watch and see.

and yeah personally I really don't care for the series, but it was just my impressions.
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I'm just going to go out on a limb and say just judging from the footage of the 3DS Dynasty Warriors game it wont be saved by Link or Samus, especially when compared to the Vita version.

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I know it's not out yet but damn does the 3DS version look like its lacking a serious amount of characters on the screen at once.... which in Dynasty Warriors is pretty lame.
Wait what samus is playable?

....
........

Oh man LAME, its zero suit samus.

Thats like being promised iron man and getting a suitless Tony stark, Or being promised Hulk and getting bruce banner to play with.
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Wait what samus is playable?

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Oh man LAME, its zero suit samus.

Thats like being promised iron man and getting a suitless Tony stark, Or being promised Hulk and getting bruce banner to play with.
Yeah, except, y'know, Zero-suit Samus is hot. I'm not seeing the problem here.
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Yeah, except, y'know, Zero-suit Samus is hot. I'm not seeing the problem here.
Well for me at least, it kind of has to do with all the not good things that zero suit samus assositates with, imo.
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Yeah, except, y'know, Zero-suit Samus is hot. I'm not seeing the problem here.
Yeah, so's a super model.

Doesnt mean I want to be stuck in an epic battle with her.

Ill take the one with a cannon for an arm.
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Yes, I see this is a 3ds website. The reason I came here to ask questions is because I'm tired about hearing about the vita by sony fanboys. My main reason to get a 3ds is the mario games. I already have a ps3, but something seems missing.. I grew up around the old super mario, mario kart, etc. I loved those games ! I miss them =(. But the downside from what I see is the online features. It seems to be the only thing holding me back from buying one.

I have some questions to ask ; What happens if I lose, damage my 3ds, will I need to get a new friendcode?

Is the online play smooth, or many disconnects?

Is there more mario games set to come besides super mario 3d land, and mario kart 7?

How easy is it to join a friends game they are playing?

Is it hard to find an online game when searching?

If anyone can tell me more about the ' online ' features, and upcoming features, i'd appreciate it. From what I heard it seems very limited.
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Online features work pretty good as far as games go, but Nintendo limits the communication quite a bit. I've played mario kart and resident evil online quite a bit, and have no complaints other than the lack of chatting and stuff.
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just imagine if there is chatting online, *** language + EU language + US language = chaos... even more chaotic if adults and kids chat with each other (referring to xbox live chat abuses i saw on youtube)

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Yes, I see this is a 3ds website. The reason I came here to ask questions is because I'm tired about hearing about the vita by sony fanboys. My main reason to get a 3ds is the mario games. I already have a ps3, but something seems missing.. I grew up around the old super mario, mario kart, etc. I loved those games ! I miss them =(. But the downside from what I see is the online features. It seems to be the only thing holding me back from buying one.
we have the same sentiment, though i don't have home gaming consoles except for PS1 and SNES... but i do have PSP and 3DS...

actually lacking of mario games and other nintendo games from PSP made me bought 3DS ...

but to answer some of your questions, online gaming connection solely depends on your internet wi-fi connection... though some game particularly tekken3d, they said it appears to have some bad lag issues... and its quite easy to find players online to play with... i don't have friends (real friends with 3ds), but i play a lot online with strangers, which i think is fun enough for an online game...
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just imagine if there is chatting online, *** language + EU language + US language = chaos... even more chaotic if adults and kids chat with each other (referring to xbox live chat abuses i saw on youtube)

I can understand that would not work well, but by communication, shouldnt friends be able to send a text, if they want to play a game together, etc?

Communication is not the biggest thing with strangers imo, I'm more interested to see how well the online play works, and how I can connect with people who I am friends with.
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Yes, I see this is a 3ds website. The reason I came here to ask questions is because I'm tired about hearing about the vita by sony fanboys. My main reason to get a 3ds is the mario games. I already have a ps3, but something seems missing.. I grew up around the old super mario, mario kart, etc. I loved those games ! I miss them =(. But the downside from what I see is the online features. It seems to be the only thing holding me back from buying one.

The online capabilities of Sony and Microsoft consoles have been the subject of a lot more care and attention than Nintendo's. It will feel primitive to you if you need those features.

I have some questions to ask ; What happens if I lose, damage my 3ds, will I need to get a new friendcode?

Not sure, but I think you would need a new friend code. Your account is attached to your 3DS I believe, although if it breaks, you can ask Nintendo to save your downloaded data if I'm not mistaken.

Is the online play smooth, or many disconnects?

Smoothness of online play depends on the individual games, but games that have received particular attention like RE: Mercenaries, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus: Uprising etc. are very smooth. MK7 runs at 60 fps online.

When it comes to disconnects, it depends on your modem. Some people with Belkin modems have experienced problems, and then no more problems once they changed it. I personally experience isolated disconnects sometimes with both the 3DS and the Vita, but nothing major.


Is there more mario games set to come besides super mario 3d land, and mario kart 7?

Mario Tennis is coming out in May, followed by Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario sometime this year and a new 2D side-scrolling Mario platformer set to release at the end of the year.

How easy is it to join a friends game they are playing?

Not sure, never really use that feature,

Is it hard to find an online game when searching?

It depends on the popularity of the games. There's always someone playing Mario Kart 7 and Kid Icarus: Uprising, and there was always someone playing Street Fighter, Dead or Alive, Mercenaries etc. at least back then, but you'll have trouble finding people online for smaller games like Need for Speed: The Run or F1 2011.

If anyone can tell me more about the ' online ' features, and upcoming features, i'd appreciate it. From what I heard it seems very limited.

Nintendo is not known for its advanced features. They are behind Sony and Microsoft on those. The messaging system is not instant and pretty inconvenient. There are a lot of things like that that Nintendo doesn't really care much about and that Sony and Microsoft have devoted a lot of attention to. But what they do devote their attention to, they're excellent at.
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I've heard a bunch of people talking about this game for Vita:



Well, the 3DS has a Wipeout game too!

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Well, the 3DS has a Wipeout game too!

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The 3DS has some catching up to do though; the series seems to have considerably changed between Wipeout 2 and the 2048th one on the Vita.
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This trailer would make any down to earth 3DS fan die inside.
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yea... especially the last part....
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I'm not as enthusiastic about the Vita compared with the 3DS personally. Even my favorite game on the Vita, Wipeout, lacks some common sense little things that make it less addictive to play than Need for Speed: The Run on the 3DS.

Right now, I feel my 3DS library is way too strong for the Vita to compete. I also hope it ends much better than the PSP, because the PSP was another handheld whose games I feel were not as addictive and fun as I wanted them to be. I can say I think the Vita will be better than the PSP just for basic things it does much better like button placement/comfort/games running more smoothly, but at the moment I do get the same feeling as with the PSP even if it's not a surprise considering we're still in the launch window. But I'm surprised to see people having already played their Vita more than the 3DS, it seems to me like the 3DS has a better or equally good similar alternative for most big games on the Vita (Wipeout vs. Need for Speed: The Run, ModNation Racers vs. Mario Kart 7, Rayman Origins vs. Super Mario 3D Land, Uncharted vs. Kid Icarus: Uprising, Unit 13 vs Resident Evil (Mercenaries or Revelations)). That's why I'm playing my 3DS more than the Vita at the moment, and I feel like those 11 months the 3DS got on the Vita have been very damaging to it.
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I'm not as enthusiastic about the Vita compared with the 3DS personally.
It's the direct opposite for me.

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I hope you're joking on that one. :/
I can understand from Mario Kart 7 maybe but The Run?

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It's the direct opposite for me.


I hope you're joking on that one. :/
I can understand from Mario Kart 7 maybe but The Run?
Do you have The Run? The racing is very subtle. Mario Kart 7 has no subtleties except in the timing of the items but that doesn't have anything to do with racing anyway. In Wipeout, I can just wing it and win every event. Most of the time, I beat friends times in one or two tries. All you have to do is hit as many speed pads as possible, use the airbrakes here and there and sometimes take a shortcut and you're good. NFS The Run is all about building up the highest speed possible and how to conserve that speed, which means one corner not perfectly taken, getting hit once by traffic, or not earning enough boost during the race and you're done. It's not as simple as drifting around every corner, considering drifting almost always makes you lose a lot of speed. I have 41h51min on The Run and I still stayed awake until 8am yesterday to play it even though I've had the game since November. That's how ridiculously fun, addictive and challenging that game is.

Wipeout is a good game but it's an easy one, and it lacks the variety of environments and racing events, the convenience of the autolog/leaderboards, the challenge and subtlety of the racing in NFS The Run. Sure, the story mode in The Run is childish, but there's more to the game than just the story mode.

And people need to stop comparing Mario Kart 7 to actual racing games. There's little to no racing involved in it; it's all about how you use your items.

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Wipeout is a good game but it's an easy one

I wouldn't say it's easy, and if NFS:The Run is anything like the PS3 version it's FAR easier than Wipeout. To get the elite passes in some of the later events is HARD.

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Same. The potential of the Vita is feel is way way better, an