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Old 04-05-2012, 04:40 AM
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Well, that one really is not true at all. I don't think there could ever be games at the level of Revelations or KI:U on the ds. Even just comparing the 3ds mario games to the ds versions is really huge.
I'm pretty sure he is talking outside the graphical improvements.
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I don't think comparisons where allowed in this thread. But I prefer the 3ds because of the kind of games available which aren't available on any other platform, the vita to me currently lacks any titles that interest me and doesn't have complete backwards comparability with the psp like the 3ds does with ds titles.

As for the difference between the ds and 3ds, try out Resident Evil Revelations then play a ds game again and say the only difference is there is now 3d.
Well yeah, the Vita is very new. It will have some very worth while games coming out soon such as Gravity Rush, Persona 4: The Golden, Tales of Innocence R, Final Fantasy X HD, and it is bound to get a few final fantasy titles.

The 3DS has been out for a year now, so of course it has a good selection of really good games. I have Kid Icarus Uprising, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 7, and Tales of the Abyss.

As for the Vita, I didn't get any actual vita games. Honestly, the only one that interests me enough to want to buy is Uncharted, but I usually beat the uncharted games in about 9-13 hours each, and have no reason to go and play them again. That and I just had to put down $105 for a new phone so I am out of money. So for now, I am sticking to persona 3 portable which I downloaded, and remote playing my PS1 classics until gravity rush comes out.

I also can't wait til the vita gets the update that lets us put ps1 classics on the system itself. When that happens, I will have to save up money to get a 32gb card and all 3 spyro ps1 games, and the main 3 crash bandicoot ps1 games. Maybe even another psp download or two.
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Wasn't a huge fan of the console version. I don't like arcade racers much, more of a Gran Turismo kind of guy. That's why I said even Wipeout was a surprise hit for me. If you scroll back to pre-release I wasn't even going to buy it, I only got it due to lack of choice of games for Buy 2 get 1. Glad I did though.

And there are a TON of events that are long in Wipeout once you progress to the higher levels, specifically designed for racing your friends. I do think the game could have used more tracks but that's about all I have to complain about.

And I don't understand how you are more excited about the 3DS, I understand we are on a 3DS forum, but Vita is superior in almost every regard on paper. The 3DS isn't much different than the DS, except with 3D basically, where the Vita is actually quite different than the PSP. More options means more potential IMO. The lack of a standardized dual analog on the 3DS really hurts it as well, even though the option is there devs have to take into account not everyone will have it every single time, which will really hold back games, 3rd party specifically.

If you like competing for times with long hard races, GT5 is heaven.
Well first of all, I am very much looking forward to Gran Turismo on the Vita. I expect the Vita to get excellent racing games and that's pretty much the entire reason why I bought it.

As for the 3DS, the comment about the twin sticks is very unfair. Uncharted Golden Abyss has two sticks and Kid Icarus Uprising is much faster and more precise with the touch-screen aiming, more similar to a mouse, to which dual analog sticks have always been vastly inferior. The circle pad pro is also completely unnecessary for Resident Evil Revelations because the camera is smart enough to move by itself, and the touch screen camera control is always there in case you need to look around. I wish console people would realize how much better touch-screen aiming is to the dual-analog solution.

When it comes to being more excited for the 3DS than the Vita, the games say it all. The 3DS is getting so many appealing games, and so far Nintendo has been hit after hit after hit with their 3DS games. Kid Icarus blew me away, I wasn't expecting it to be as good, as fun, as accessible and as well thought-out as it is. So looking into the future just for this year and seeing Mario Tennis Open, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion 2, a new 2D side-scrolling Mario platformer, all games in very different genres and that's just for Nintendo's titles and before E3, is very exciting. The 3DS library is very, very strong.

I'm not excited for the announced Vita titles past Gravity Rush, and I think Sony made a big mistake launching the Vita without letting potential buyers know what 3D Land/MK7-level games they could expect for the holidays or before. Literally all my hopes for the Vita lie in third-party studios bringing racing games to the system, because I know Gran Turismo isn't coming this year and Sony would have to retool their platformer series for them to be on the level of what I can get on the 3DS.

I have so many games to play on the 3DS, I didn't even get the chance to buy Resident Evil: Revelations yet (I had it pre-ordered, but my bank account was empty so I had to cancel it, and the two games I bought after that were temporary deals), I didn't finish many of my eShop games (Mutant Mudds, Gargoyle's Quest, Earthworm Jim etc.) and barely touched my Game Boy Advance VC games yet (I played some of F-Zero, still need to play all the others, including stuff like Wario Land 4, Yoshi's Island, Metroid Fusion etc.).

So to me, at the moment, the Vita isn't in the same league despite its greater power. It should mean more options, yeah, but so far it hasn't meant more or better games, and I'd argue it hasn't really meant more beautiful games either because great aesthetics play a bigger part in that than advanced graphics, and Nintendo games tend to have great aesthetics.

Since this is the beginning for the Vita and E3 hasn't even hit, they can still surprise me, but I should be able to look forward to something for the holiday season and they've given us nothing, while we already had seen footage of Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land months before the 3DS was released, so I'm not holding my breath for Vita to win 2012 with more or better games than the 3DS. That's where I'm coming from in my greater excitement for the 3DS than the Vita.
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Understand and accept everything, but I can't agree with the stylus aiming, I absolutely hate that, even if you technically can aim faster. If you wan't to play that game you could do the same with your finger or a stylus on Vita, but that's besides the point because I wouldn't use it anyway.

It's obvious we just have different tastes in games ( excluding some racing ect ). All the games you listed off don't excite me one bit, you pretty much have to be a big Nintendo first party fan for the 3DS line up to look good I guess. I'm just not that guy beyond Zelda.

I hope they do end up surprising you though.
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Understand and accept everything, but I can't agree with the stylus aiming, I absolutely hate that, even if you technically can aim faster. If you wan't to play that game you could do the same with your finger or a stylus on Vita
That's not true though. First of all, yeah you would need a stylus or a thumb stylus for the aiming to be precise, but even assuming you get a stylus for the Vita, you would have to use the stylus on the same screen you're using to see the action...
The reason the touch-screen aiming on the 3DS is similar to a computer mouse or a laptop touchpad is because it's not on the same screen, it's on a separate one that lets you see everything on the main screen.

And yeah, of course the 3DS doesn't look exciting if you don't like Nintendo games, but you could say that about every console. If Gran Turismo, Wipeout, God of War and Little Big Planet don't interest you, there's not much to like on a Sony console that you can't get elsewhere. A console lives or dies by its exclusives, and 3DS exclusives have been numerous and top notch.
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It's funny how you rave about these controls for KI but it seems to be its biggest flaw to most people. I prefer my analogs or a mouse and keyboard, but that's just me.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:14 AM
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It's funny how you rave about these controls for KI but it seems to be its biggest flaw to most people. I prefer my analogs or a mouse and keyboard, but that's just me.
The controls for Kid Icarus have been very well accepted by most reviewers and people on here. Look through the threads in the Kid Icarus subsection and people say the same thing I did, and it's the same things they've been saying before me since they played that Metroid game on the DS that had the same controls. I think The World Ends with You also had the same control scheme. It's definitely widely praised, it might be weird but it requires some time to adapt like everything new. Stop being a DoomDash and play it already!
Old 04-05-2012, 05:17 AM
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Why in the world would u put something that that in this forum??????????? But truthfully the Vita is pretty cool, but I like the 3ds better cuz of its awesome games.
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The controls for Kid Icarus have been very well accepted by most reviewers and people on here. Look through the threads in the Kid Icarus subsection and people say the same thing I did, and it's the same things they've been saying before me since they played that Metroid game on the DS that had the same controls. I think The World Ends with You also had the same control scheme. It's definitely widely praised, it might be weird but it requires some time to adapt like everything new.
I don't doubt that most of the users on here praise it, but they also thought MGS3D was a good version of the game, even the demo.

I read probably 3 reviews, and watched 3-4 reviews of the game. Every single one didn't like the controls, although some didn't dislike them as much as others. It's widely discussed the controls are terrible outside of these parts. I think it was Kotaku said it best, when your game comes bundled with a stand, you did something wrong.

The experience is not like a mouse and keyboard, because a mouse and keyboard are not awkward.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:32 AM
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But truthfully the Vita is pretty cool, but I like the 3ds better cuz of its awesome games.
Awesome games?

Be more specific, please.

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The controls for Kid Icarus have been very well accepted by most reviewers and people on here. Look through the threads in the Kid Icarus subsection and people say the same thing I did, and it's the same things they've been saying before me since they played that Metroid game on the DS that had the same controls. I think The World Ends with You also had the same control scheme. It's definitely widely praised, it might be weird but it requires some time to adapt like everything new. Stop being a DoomDash and play it already!
So you haven't experienced any hand cramps in Kid Icarus?
I had a lot of those in Metroid Prime Hunters.

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:26 AM
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I still can't understand why they attacked you for that single complaint.
I hope I didn't come across as attacking, just pointing out what I think we can agree (as he does) was obvious so others reading where not mislead as it did seem to suggest graphically (whether or not he meant it that way).
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Maybe this discussion would be better in the comparison one, not to backseat mod.
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So you haven't experienced any hand cramps in Kid Icarus?
I had a lot of those in Metroid Prime Hunters.
I did when I was trying to figure out how to best play the game. I tried to make it work with the stand but I found out the stand isn't convenient enough for me. In the end, the way I play the game is in my bed, my back against the wall, with my legs bent towards my body so that I get some support for the 3DS. It's true that it isn't the most natural of control schemes, it is pretty clunky when you have to dodge or dash, but when you play the game and it works well, you realize it's worth it. They didn't choose this control scheme just to use the touch screen, they chose this control scheme because it's the best way to control the game. It's a fast-paced action game with tons of enemies in every direction; it requires fast, precise aiming. From playing Uncharted and Unit 13 on the Vita, as well as past experiences on the PS2, dual-analog controls are the exact opposite. They're fitting if you don't need to do a whole lot of shooting and/or if the game is slow-paced, but for a fast-paced shooter I'd trade holding the system naturally for faster, more accurate controls.

I haven't had a hand cramp since I got used to it, but then again, I don't spend several hours in a row playing Kid Icarus, I usually play one or two chapters and a few online matches at a time, and I think it was built to be played that way. I feel like I'm rather sensitive to poor controls usually, and I don't think there's much of a problem with Kid Icarus. The only problem I have is I would have done the dashes/dodges differently, and I wish they had done that, but the touch-screen aiming in itself is perfect in my opinion. That's how I'd like to be playing my shooters.
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i heard that psv are way better than the psp go
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i heard that psv are way better than the psp go
No offense, but Gameboy rip-offs were better than the PSP Go.
The PSP Go was just an all around failure.
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i heard that psv are way better than the psp go
It is a better handheld IMO, however the PSP Go can play all PSN PSP games, PS1, and Minis though.

Not to mention it's more pocket friendly.

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PSP Go was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. If the 2nd gen PSVita is more like the Go I will buy a second or third.
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:31 PM
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PSP Go was crap... Not to include UMDs on a freaking PSP was a huge mistake and i wonder if the people at Sony were smoking crack at the time they decided that move... Other than that i love the screen and the design. lol
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The worst part of psp go was the size and ackwardness of the dpad. Trying to play Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max was a huge pain. Other than that, I liked the CONCEPT of the Go, but the higher price, for lesser function was crap.
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The worst part of psp go was the size and ackwardness of the dpad. Trying to play Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max was a huge pain. Other than that, I liked the CONCEPT of the Go, but the higher price, for lesser function was crap.
I just used my dual shock 3 for fighters on it .
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Well, I think we can all agree that they both have had crappy after-launches. Lack of released games, lack of promised features, some odd glitches, ect.

All I can really say for sure for a "VS" type comparison is that the Vita had MUCH better launch titles(I'd go as far as to say it has the best handheld launch in gaming hsitory) and they got online right with actually having the PSN with trophies and the new party chat.

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Also, I LOVED the PSPgo. Loved the design, found it far more comfortable then the PSP-3000, even the Analog nub felt better. I got it with the idea in mind that the PSP2 wouldn't play UMD's, and I wanted to have a good library of great games like Peace Walker and Ghost of Sparta when I got the next PSP.

Well, I got one of them, at least...AND NO MINIS!
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I think consoles launch too early. If it's to get a year-long-ish drought every time, why don't they just release it when they know they have enough big titles ready for a constant flow of releases?

Right now it's so obvious consoles launch with a ton of games, and then there's that huge wait where half of the developers wait to see how the device is doing commercially and the other half is working on their big games to release later, when the console has a bigger install base.

Not taking the poor time of the year into account, think if the 3DS had launched in August instead. The quality games would have been there at launch (Dead or Alive, Ocarina of Time 3D, Mercenaries) and would have kept on coming seamlessly. The eShop and internet browser would have been there as well.

For the Vita, it's too soon to say when things will pick up because we don't know which titles Sony is holding for the second half of the year, but it also launched too soon. It's already obvious because ModNation Racers: Road Trip and Ridge Racer would be very different games if they didn't have to rush them that bad. Ridge Racer was so rushed, the third DLC track promised to US users (and only the sixth track of the game total) at launch wasn't even available at launch and I'm not sure if it even is now -- and remember Ridge Racer launched in the US three months later than in Japan.

Not sure why companies are so insistent on hyping up their consoles before releasing them half-a-year early, it just makes them look bad.
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Or if people step back and realize this is kinda how a launch system goes, they can look at things realistically and not expect an amazing year left and right with non-stop AAA games. That just doesn't happen, and every time something launches people forget.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:49 PM
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So we just have to accept that there aren't any good games coming?
BS

Major reason why the 3DS was bashed was the lack of games over the summer until around November. I don't want the same thing to happen with the Vita.
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There are good games coming, just not that fast, just like any other launch system.
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There are good games coming, just not that fast, just like any other launch system.
Stop defending this thing so religiously... it has its problems, just like any other system out there -_-.
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Stop defending this thing so religiously... it has its problems, just like any other system out there -_-.
Duh, I am just pointing out how it's not so surprising. If anyone was expecting differently from pretty much any launch they never had realistic expectations to begin with. You kind of just agreed with me "Just like any other system out there -_-". That's what I said lol.

Personally I have no problems with the line up, I haven't even finished half of my games, but I understand that's because I happen to like about half the current line up, which not everyone has the luxury of having. I want more games and more often for everyone else just as much as anyone else, and I'm not making excuses, only saying "what did you expect?". What system is not guilty of this?
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I feel bad leaving the great parts of the 3DS out, so here goes my own little Pro/Con list

Pros/Cons for Vita:
+Great launch lineup
+PSN was well done, new features over PS3
+Base price for system is a great deal
+surprisingly great battery life for what it is(on par with PSP)
+beyond powerful, nearly a PS3
+nice button layout, dual analog!
+Buramu

-Memory Cards...Whoops. Really bad move.
-complete failure to deliver on Remote Play and legitimate crossplay with the PS3. A big no-no for me.
-lack of PSP games and Mini's to download...no Peacewalker? What?
-A few of the launch games were ports...not BAD, persay, but not a good first experience
-multiple firmware updates, firmware updates causing problems. Eek.
-screen is prone to smudging, which is bad
-not even sort of portable
-not looking great for next year worth of games

3DS Pros/Cons:
+sleek, sexy flip design remains awesome for portable
+3D actually works well with games
+came with a decent memory card(gtfo Sony)
+powerful, at least on par with Xbox/Wii
+quite a few "apps", most of them decent
+circle pad is a surprisngly nice feeling alternative to stick
+price is great at $170
+backwards compatiable with all DS games and DSiware titles


-horrible launch, seriously horrible with games, features, ect
-waaay to expensive at launch
-no e-shop at launch
-e-shop titles are super over-priced
-complete failure of the online space, weak friend implementation
-not able to patch Mario Kart(WTF!?)
-still lacks worthwhile games, only a few worthwhile ones
-pretty awful battery life if you like 3D on
-lack of built-in second circle pad
-Buramu

For me, the 3DS launch would've been about a 4, while the PSV would've been about a 6, but I was disappointed in them for completely different reasons. At the rate the two systems are going, I don't know if there will ever be a day where a VS debate would ever be relevant. Maybe at the end of their life cycles but meh.
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Or if people step back and realize this is kinda how a launch system goes, they can look at things realistically and not expect an amazing year left and right with non-stop AAA games. That just doesn't happen, and every time something launches people forget.
That doesn't make any sense. I know this is how launch systems go, which is why I was saying that companies should change the way they do things and just launch their systems 6 months later so that they don't have a weak first year. Yeah, it is how launch systems go, and it's stupid. Is there a problem that makes it impossible for them to hold on to their hardware and release it when it's ready?

I could understand that Nintendo wants to release the Wii U as soon as possible because of the heavily declining sales of the Wii, but the DS and the PSP were doing good business before the 3DS and the Vita were released, so they didn't have to launch them as early as they did.

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3DS Pros/Cons:
-Buramu
What do you mean by that? Buramu is also a plus for the 3DS for me because I have him on my friends list so we can compete for the best times in racing games.

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That doesn't make any sense. I know this is how launch systems go, which is why I was saying that companies should change the way they do things and just launch their systems 6 months later so that they don't have a weak first year. Yeah, it is how launch systems go, and it's stupid. Is there a problem that makes it impossible for them to hold on to their hardware and release it when it's ready?
See, I wasn't arguing with you. You opinion is a valid idea, my posts were not in response to you. I was only stating about the current trend, what people should expect. If that changes and the companies follow your principle things would be entirely different.
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Umm....

Peace walker is available on the Vita (at least in Europe, dunno about the USA), but yes, games like Crisis Core are missing.
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I prefer not to say X system is better than Y, I would rather just own them all!!! There's a store in Chicago that specializes in classic systems and I plan on getting a portable Turbografix-16 next time I get a check!!
PS Vita's hardware is impressive, but I would only buy Katamari and Lumines so far, how about another Locoroco game?
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That doesn't make any sense. I know this is how launch systems go, which is why I was saying that companies should change the way they do things and just launch their systems 6 months later so that they don't have a weak first year. Yeah, it is how launch systems go, and it's stupid. Is there a problem that makes it impossible for them to hold on to their hardware and release it when it's ready?

I could understand that Nintendo wants to release the Wii U as soon as possible because of the heavily declining sales of the Wii, but the DS and the PSP were doing good business before the 3DS and the Vita were released, so they didn't have to launch them as early as they did.

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What do you mean by that? Buramu is also a plus for the 3DS for me because I have him on my friends list so we can compete for the best times in racing games.
I have him on my friends lis as well, I love the messages he sends. I just threw him in there for randomness. He loves on the Vita, and hates on the 3DS. +/-
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I have him on my friends lis as well, I love the messages he sends. I just threw him in there for randomness. He loves on the Vita, and hates on the 3DS. +/-
And he's on the PS Vita forums and not on the 3DS forums.
Too bad he got banned, he was starting to warm up to the 3DS a little.
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I have Buru on my friends list too, and he did say that he loves revelations.
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Well who doesn't? :P. That's one of my two 3DS games :P.
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Well who doesn't? :P.
I don't. lol

I've yet to continue playing the first RE and the rest thought.

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That's one of my two 3DS games :P.
lol

All this time you had the 3DS and you have only two games? :P (the other one is Ocarina of Time, I believe.)

Your PSV library is 3-4x the size.
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I only have one 3DS game, if it makes anyone feel better. That game would be Kid Icarus, which I got today. I had zero games for awhile(though I have a number of downloaded games, I just didn't play them)

Meanwhile, I am actively playing 3 retail Vita games and 3 downloaded ones.

Plus, Corpse Party.
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lol

All this time you had the 3DS and you have only two games? :P (the other one is Ocarina of Time, I believe.)

Your PSV library is 3-4x the size.
Yep, but at one point I did have Super Mario 3D Land, which was good. Yes my Vita collection triples it, but it's just a matter of taste.

I don't mind owning a console for a few games I like, especially since I need to finish a bunch of DS games having skipped the DS.
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You should try to give KI a shot, I was really spectacle of the controls going in, but you can get used to them and customize them. It honestly is really good.
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You should try to give KI a shot, I was really spectacle of the controls going in, but you can get used to them and customize them. It honestly is really good.
I've almost picked it up, but first I have to replace my 3DS :'(.

It is def on my might buy list.
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I've almost picked it up, but first I have to replace my 3DS :'(.

It is def on my might buy list.
lol

Might buy list

It's on mine, too (meaning I'd buy it if I were a richass, but I'm not, so I'll not buy it in the next two years unless there is a MAJOR game drought).
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I'll probably buy it when it hits $20~.
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I'm all for Vita but right now it just doesn't have the games to warrant a purchase. I said the same thing last year when the 3DS came out.

A year later and I'm siding with the 3DS and I'm pretty happy about the decision. Plus keeping up with 2 handhelds just isn't my thing.
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I'm all for Vita but right now it just doesn't have the games to warrant a purchase. I said the same thing last year when the 3DS came out.

A year later and I'm siding with the 3DS and I'm pretty happy about the decision. Plus keeping up with 2 handhelds just isn't my thing.
Personally, I agree with this.

I'm not against the Vita, and if things go right I'll probably end up purchasing one once there are enough games I feel are must own games.

I only bought the 3DS about a month and a half ago. I waited until there was a price drop and until a lot of games I wanted came out, and were on the horizon.

I'm hoping I can do the same with the Vita(wait for a price drop and hopefully it coincides with a bunch of games I'm wanting)
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I'll probably buy it when it hits $20~.
considering mario kart ds is still 30...............

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lol

Might buy list

It's on mine, too (meaning I'd buy it if I were a richass, but I'm not, so I'll not buy it in the next two years unless there is a MAJOR game drought).
honestly I was not looking forward to this game at all I only bought it to have it really. But after playing it I must say, kid icarus is probably the weirdest un-nintendo like nintendo game I have ever played. The game feels like Nintendo but with the customizations and online it really feels like a change in how Nintendo will handle future franchises. The controls reinstate why stylus aiming is superior to aging dual sticks, the amount of weapons are enough to buy this game

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keeping up with 2 handhelds just isn't my thing.
It is for me. Enjoyed owning both the DS and PSP.

Best of both worlds.

I'll be doing the same this generation when I get my Vita later this year to accompany my 3DS.
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considering mario kart ds is still 30...............

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Sales, and I get discounts.
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I own both a 3DS and PSVita, and I love them both equally, and they both have their own good and bad features. Like I don't have the urge to take my Vita around with me, but I do want to take my 3DS around. but on the other hand, I love playing on my PSVita's large and fantastic screen even though the 3DS has 3D. I also love the Vita's (Playstation's) social features, party chat through microphone and text while playing a game. but right now the 3DS's gaming library is much better. I hate the 3DS's region lock but love the Vita for being region free. I love Nintendo's very own games like Zelda and Mario. And I love how you can set your own wallpapers on your PSvita and customize it all you want. and I don't think the Vita is too big, they are both the right sizes for me. I think Nintendo's eshop might be overpriced for some games but the PSvita's PSN library has to be upgraded too. I love the 3DS being "used games" friendly while when I want to get a used Vita game and play online, I'd have to buy a online pass for 10 bucks. The graphics and (again) amazing screen of the vita are blowing away the 3DS, but the 3DS's 3D is freaking awesome.

one of the two is always better compared to the other on every aspect, and overall I think they are equally awesome and entertaining.
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I have to say, while I prefer the Nintendo 3DS to the Playstation Vita, the Vita had the strongest launch lineup I've ever seen. I'm not going to be getting one any time soon (unless Kingdom Hearts comes to it), but I think the launch lineup was completely perfect for the group of people the system was aimed at. It's almost like the 3DS and the Vita are both learning from the mistakes the other made.

This generation, I'm thinking Sony has WAY more of a chance to be an actual rival to Nintendo in the handheld market (which is something Nintendo's always dominated). I remember when the PSP came out, it was a fantastic bit of hardware, but it didn't have a lot of good games on it (and thinking of it now, all of the ones I really enjoyed came from Capcom and Square Enix), and the PSP ultimately suffered for that. I like the Vita. A lot. I'm not going to buy a system I won't use very often, however. I don't even use my 3DS very often. I haven't turned it on once since I beat Kid Icarus.

What the Vita needs are games that appeal to people who are generally Nintendo gamers. Likewise for Nintendo. I like the 3DS, but it doesn't hold a candle to the real DS right now, and it will be a long time before it can. Once they both can do that, we can all sit back and watch the greatest console war ever!
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Should have just used Near to find how many Vitas were around.
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Kotaku are such trolls.

Seriously.
I know lol they did this to 3ds last year

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Should have just used Near to find how many Vitas were around.
Thats a really good idea, I guess they were too busy trolling to realize it :P
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But isn't that only in the 3G model?
My Wifi unit has a Near app (but I've never used it).
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My Wifi unit has a Near app (but I've never used it).
I think she means, if there isnt a WiFi connection can you use Near...
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Man, I can't get over how awful this version looks. So compromised.
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agreed .
You've done this joke twice now.

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You've done this joke twice now.

You must really hate Dynasty Warriors.
Yesum .
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I liie the 3DS more because of the upcoming game selection/current. Games like Mario Kart 7 and the soon to come Animal Crossing 3DS are why I got a 3DS. Don't get me wrong, I have a PS3 but the only thing that looked good for Vita is Uncharted. Because Uncharted is an amazing series.
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I liie the 3DS more because of the upcoming game selection/current. Games like Mario Kart 7 and the soon to come Animal Crossing 3DS are why I got a 3DS. Don't get me wrong, I have a PS3 but the only thing that looked good for Vita is Uncharted. Because Uncharted is an amazing series.
Yeah i can see that right now. I remember psp having a slow start as well (day 1 owner)

But
Dude... The potential....

Portable dark cloud... Team ico..... Colony wars.....
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I didn't make it, but kind of silly.
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I don't know if where allowed to still make these threads O.o
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Why's everyone so offended? Who cares? I miss the old days when forum users weren't so sensitive.

And eh. If you think the 3ds was designed to "better the portable gaming industry" and not making money then you're a fool. If anything the Vita was designed for that..
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I didn't make it, but kind of silly.
Technically it should be "FOLDARZ."
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Why's everyone so offended? Who cares? I miss the old days when forum users weren't so sensitive.

And eh. If you think the 3ds was designed to "better the portable gaming industry" and not making money then you're a fool. If anything the Vita was designed for that..
Well, the Vita isn't exactly doing either of those things either, so...
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I didn't make it, but kind of silly.
Haha. It's funny.

What's funnier is that I bet those crazy Nintendo fanboys are bashing the Vita over something stupid like folders.
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Why's everyone so offended? Who cares? I miss the old days when forum users weren't so sensitive.

And eh. If you think the 3ds was designed to "better the portable gaming industry" and not making money then you're a fool. If anything the Vita was designed for that..
So I'm a fool if I think that both the 3ds and vita are really great, but both have flaws? I'm pretty sure the vita was made to make money too, even though it hasn't done that too much. Oh well, I guess not everyone understands business.
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3ds haz teh mario!!1 wut duz vita get??? drake bell from unchart? i havents see any gaeminplay but...pfft i dont like shoppin gaems
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Drumroll! *Ba dum tis*
Anyway, I think the PSV is taking some implements Nintendo had first, but other than that, great.

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And eh. If you think the 3ds was designed to "better the portable gaming industry" and not making money then you're a fool. If anything the Vita was designed for that..
While I agree with your first block of text, I disagree with the second. I think the 3DS AND the Vita were designed with improving upon the handheld market, just in different ways.
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^ That's what she said.
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He also talks about there not being key software ready for the 3DS' launch, so he's only talking from what he's seeing at the moment and I totally agree with him on that.

I bought the Vita because I knew it would eventually get impressive racing games, and the launch titles were decent. Note that he says he doesn't see the combination of software and hardware that makes for a very strong product. The Vita has good games out and there are a few good games on the horizon, but nothing truly key. It doesn't have anything new that's been released or scheduled to be released soon that truly resonates with the Japanese people. I've said this several times, Sony's big mistake was launching the Vita without telling people what the Vita's Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7 or even Resident Evil: Revelations were. The Vita launched in December 2011 and there's nothing big announced yet for 2012 (that isn't a compilation or a remake), while Nintendo launched the 3DS at a time where people already knew they would have two big blockbuster games by month nine, and had seen footage of them. Leaving people in the dark concerning the future of your platform past the immediate launch wasn't a very wise move.

So I agree that the Vita is not a very strong product, especially not in Japan. Take a look at the sales of Sony's big IPs over there... they like Gran Turismo... and... uh...
Sony's IPs aren't exactly strong in Japan. They're all significantly more popular in the West.

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I think Miyamoto is on point. That pretty much IS how the Vita is right now, but Sony is not in any position to discount the price of the Vita.

3DS was overpriced when it launched, so Nintendo could capitalize on their fans even more than usual... Then when the gouging failed, they took the price down to an unprecedented (for them) "loss" state.

Sony decided to make a beast of a machine that would actually COST about what they were asking for... Unfortunately, that puts them in a crappy situation where they would lose a buttload more money (than Nintendo) on their handheld, if they dropped the price to compete on a level playing field.

Also to note though, without better differentiating software, the Vita still wouldnt be the ultra seller that it needs to be. It needs software that you cannot get on the consoles, NOT handheld console games.
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Quite a shame that the Vita hasn't proven to be some strong, healthy competition for the 3DS. As we know, competition is good for gamers. The N64 era is argued to be Nintendo's creative peak, and there was a constant flow of instant classics. This was because the N64 was struggling to keep up with the PS1, which had a more versatile audience because it was seen as cool in the eyes of both kids and the mature crowd.

Imagine if the 3DS and Vita were neck and neck, the flow of titles for both sides would be sensational.

But really, that's not to say the 3DS's current line up isn't great to begin with. As for the Vita, Sony will be pushing some big titles soon.
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I think Nintendo views mobile gaming as a bigger threat than the PSV.

Either way, as long as Nintendo continues to make great games for the 3DS. I'll be a happy camper.
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I think Nintendo views mobile gaming as a bigger threat than the PSV.

Either way, as long as Nintendo continues to make great games for the 3DS. I'll be a happy camper.
At this point, the vita should view them as a threat, just considering it's at least somewhat taking away from their already minimal sales.
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Why's everyone so offended? Who cares? I miss the old days when forum users weren't so sensitive.

And eh. If you think the 3ds was designed to "better the portable gaming industry" and not making money then you're a fool. If anything the Vita was designed for that..
Wait, what? Both were designed to make money, how is that not obvious? It's just one is better at making money than the other. As for which console "betters the portable gaming industry", it would have to be the 3DS. With the price for developing games skyrocketing next-generation, the 3DS will be a system where you can keep risks low, and profits high. Kind of like the DS, but I don't personally see the 3DS achieving the sales the DS did. So, for example, if a dev is making a game for Vita, the Nextbox, or PS4 there is a huge chance that your game won't even make back it's development costs due to the costs of developing for the system being so high. If you develop for the 3DS, however, development costs aren't so high and there's a better chance you'll at least make back the money you put in.

The Vita has similar development costs to the PS3, however, it doesn't have the install base as the PS3, so why should devs make games for it?

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Either way, as long as Nintendo continues to make great games for the 3DS. I'll be a happy camper.
Hm? This doesn't make much sense. The audience the Vita is reaching for is very niche. The 3DS is reaching for everyone, including casuals, so iOS apps are biting much more into 3DS sales than Vita sales. Just because the Vita looks like a smartphone, doesn't mean it is has the same appeal as one.

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They both serve their functions well, but Live Area certainly looks better, especially because you can make your own wall papers. That and there isn't really any other programs that you can open while playing a game on 3DS, not that it matters since the 3DS has no useful programs to do things on beyond the web browser.
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It's just one is better at making money than the other.
The 3DS wasn't profitable, and I'm not sure if it currently is.

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With the price for developing games skyrocketing next-generation, the 3DS will be a system where you can keep risks low, and profits high.
Why do you think that development costs will "skyrocket" next gen?

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So, for example, if a dev is making a game for Vita, the Nextbox, or PS4 there is a huge chance that your game won't even make back it's development costs due to the costs of developing for the system being so high. If you develop for the 3DS, however, development costs aren't so high and there's a better chance you'll at least make back the money you put in.
Do you know the development costs for making a Vita game (real costs, not conjecture)? There's no reason why devs have to pull out all the stops for a Vita game anyway (can't even think of any third party dev that has been doing so). 3rd party 3DS games haven't been selling astronomically well in Japan. KH3D had a 65% sell through, Project Mirai had a 70% sell through, and niche games don't seem to be more popular on the device than on any other. KH should do much better in the West but I'm not seeing the 3DS as a safe haven for devs.
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It's not.

3DS News: 3DS hardware to be sold at a profit by September - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Vita actually makes money per unit, but only if you look at in cost to price ratio, with no other factors. Still I bet Sony is losing more money than gaining due to having to advertise it and other issues.
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Vita actually makes money per unit, but only if you look at in cost to price ratio, with no other factors. Still I bet Sony is losing more money than gaining due to having to advertise it and other issues.
Wrong. The Vita is selling at a loss to(previously) compete to the 3DS.
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Report: PlayStation Vita Components Cost $160 - VITA News at IGN

It's not selling at a loss as far as pure hardware costs go, which is what I said. It is probably selling at loss if you include many other factors though, for the same reason the 3DS is selling at a loss. I am not sure how much Sony is or isn't making, but the hardware is no where near $250.
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It's not selling at a loss as far as pure hardware costs go, which is what I said. It is probably selling at loss if you include many other factors though, for the same reason the 3DS is selling at a loss. I am not sure how much Sony is or isn't making, but the hardware is no where near $250.
Even if they are technically making money, to say that the Vita is making profit while the 3ds isn't(On the logic that it is selling at a loss) is wrong. The same argument can be used for the 3DS http://www.tomsguide.com/us/3DS-Pric...ews-10605.html

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I didn't say the Vita is making a profit. I only said they are selling the Vita's hardware at a profit, and Nintendo is also selling the 3DS hardware at a profit, but only looking at production costs and nothing else. So yeah, I didn't say Vita is making Sony money, in fact I said it's probably not making money, just like the 3DS.
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I didn't say the Vita is making a profit. I only said they are selling the Vita's hardware at a profit, and Nintendo is also selling the 3DS hardware at a profit, but only looking at production costs and nothing else. So yeah, I didn't say Vita is making Sony money, in fact I said it's probably not making money, just like the 3DS.
So...you didn't say they're making a profit, but they are making a profit, but yet they're not?
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I'm pretty sure neither the PSV or the 3DS is making a profit for their respective companies at this moment.
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The 3DS wasn't profitable, and I'm not sure if it currently is.
iirc, Nintendo doesn't make a profit with each unit sold. However, hardware is only a fraction of how Nintendo gets income from the 3DS. Software and royalties from third parties is how Nintendo really makes a killing.

You don't think the Vita will really sell as much or more than the 3DS is bound to sell, do you? That's a pipe dream. Vita just doesn't have that casual appeal (yet anyway). Vita selling well is still a possibility, but it won't top or match the 3DS.

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Learning new hardware, higher fidelity textures, and models, using new effects, optimization for new hardware. Skyrocket, is an exaggeration, but I'm sure they'll increase, and ever increasing development costs is never good for an industry. The amount of devs that went under this generation is higher than it's ever been, and it'll only get worse when we move into ultra HD and such.

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Do you know the development costs for making a Vita game (real costs, not conjecture)? There's no reason why devs have to pull out all the stops for a Vita game anyway (can't even think of any third party dev that has been doing so). 3rd party 3DS games haven't been selling astronomically well in Japan. KH3D had a 65% sell through, Project Mirai had a 70% sell through, and niche games don't seem to be more popular on the device than on any other. KH should do much better in the West but I'm not seeing the 3DS as a safe haven for devs.
No I do not, but I can safely say it's higher than the 3DS'. I'll go out on a limb here and say the difference in dev costs between the two is similar to the difference in dev costs in between Wii and PS3, if not more. To be fair, Kingdom Hearts is most likely suffering from franchise fatigue due to three factors:

1. There have been 5 consecutive spin-off games and no mainline game in years.
2. The Kingdom Hearts series has been spread apart to 5 different systems.
3. The recent DS outings have had an average reception at best, perhaps leaving a sour taste in Kingdom Hearts fans.

As for Project Mirai, it didn't sell bad at all. Not good, but not bad either. I assume fans prefer normal anime-styled Miku not cute, Chibi Miku. There's also the fact that the 3DS is still a developing system and it doesn't have it's own niche yet.

I don't think I ever said the 3DS was a safe haven for devs, but it's a hell of a better option than the Vita currently is, and it's the safest mobile solution there is. If a dev wants to make a successful mobile game, the 3DS is your best bet.

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So...you didn't say they're making a profit, but they are making a profit, but yet they're not?
Vita hardware might be selling at a small profit, but that doesn't mean they have been making back all the costs back, such as R&D, marketing, etc...
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So...you didn't say they're making a profit, but they are making a profit, but yet they're not?
Read my posts, I did not say they are making an over all profit ever. If you remove what I specify you can make it sound however you wish. I said the value of the hardware alone clearly is profitable ( This is a fact ), but there are a million other factors that lead to them still making a loss. Do I really need to spell it out for people or can you guys just think about it?

I also said the 3DS is in the same boat..... so I'm not even even smacking down anything here.

Jeeze.
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iirc, Nintendo doesn't make a profit with each unit sold. However, hardware is only a fraction of how Nintendo gets income from the 3DS. Software and royalties from third parties is how Nintendo really makes a killing.
I understand how hardware manufacturers make their profits, except the Wii's more of a special case. Still, Nintendo's been reporting losses. And it's not because they're making a "killing".

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You don't think the Vita will really sell as much or more than the 3DS is bound to sell, do you? That's a pipe dream. Vita just doesn't have that casual appeal (yet anyway). Vita selling well is still a possibility, but it won't top or match the 3DS.
Where did this come from?

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Learning new hardware, higher fidelity textures, and models, using new effects, optimization for new hardware. Skyrocket, is an exaggeration, but I'm sure they'll increase, and ever increasing development costs is never good for an industry. The amount of devs that went under this generation is higher than it's ever been, and it'll only get worse when we move into ultra HD and such.
Common sense tells me that they'll increase. Saying they'll "skyrocket" was my issue.

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No I do not, but I can safely say it's higher than the 3DS'. I'll go out on a limb here and say the difference in dev costs between the two is similar to the difference in dev costs in between Wii and PS3, if not more.
That's a long limb you have there. Show me proof.

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To be fair, Kingdom Hearts is most likely suffering from franchise fatigue due to three factors:

1. There have been 5 consecutive spin-off games and no mainline game in years.
2. The Kingdom Hearts series has been spread apart to 5 different systems.
3. The recent DS outings have had an average reception at best, perhaps leaving a sour taste in Kingdom Hearts fans.
1. No numbered games =/= no mainline games.
2. Point being? They've been on Nintendo handhelds for 2 of the past gens.
3. This is a reasonable excuse for why it performed the way it did... but only because of the system that it was on. On the PSP, though, I wouldn't doubt that it would have sold through the vast majority of its shipment.

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As for Project Mirai, it didn't sell bad at all. Not good, but not bad either. I assume fans prefer normal anime-styled Miku not cute, Chibi Miku. There's also the fact that the 3DS is still a developing system and it doesn't have it's own niche yet.
Who's saying bad, again? I don't know how popular the Nendoroid line of Miku products is, but its are popular enough to merit its own video game. The maturing system excuse can only be used for so long. Especially when the system's supposedly "hitting its stride". But we'll get to see more on how well 3rd party games sell on the 3DS in the (near) future.

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I don't think I ever said the 3DS was a safe haven for devs, but it's a hell of a better option than the Vita currently is, and it's the safest mobile solution there is. If a dev wants to make a successful mobile game, the 3DS is your best bet.
Saying that the 3DS is the system that developers will go to because of rising development costs where risks are low and profits are high pretty much means to me that it would be considered a safe haven for said developers. Also, bolded can't be applied as a universal statement. Depending on the target demographic, the PSP would be a way more viable option.

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I understand how hardware manufacturers make their profits, except the Wii's more of a special case. Still, Nintendo's been reporting losses. And it's not because they're making a "killing".
I didn't mean Nintendo was currently making a killing; I know this is the first year they posted a consecutive loss. I just meant to say that's generally how they make money.

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Well, there comes a point where that constant increasing will make prices so high it's unsustainable. iirc, the price for making a current gen game costs around 40 to 60 million dollars. It'll only get higher, which will only make systems such as the 3DS only that much more attractive to develop for.

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That's a long limb you have there. Show me proof.
It's an educated guess. The cost of making a Wii game is a fraction of the cost of making PS360 game. The Vita is seemingly slightly less powerful than a PS3. The 3DS is seemingly slightly less powerful than a Wii. So, the cost of making a 3DS game should be a fraction of the cost of making a Vita game.

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The spin-off titles don't continue the story set by Kingdom Hearts 2.
2. Point being? They've been on Nintendo handhelds for 2 of the past gens.
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3. This is a reasonable excuse for why it performed the way it did... but only because of the system that it was on. On the PSP, though, I wouldn't doubt that it would have sold through the vast majority of its shipment.
Exactly. The Kingdom Hearts games on Nintendo systems haven't been as critically acclaimed as the ones on PlayStation systems. This most likely left the stigma that having Dream Drop Distance on the 3DS would make it inferior.
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Who's saying bad, again? I don't know how popular the Nendoroid line of Miku products is, but its are popular enough to merit its own video game. The maturing system excuse can only be used for so long. Especially when the system's supposedly "hitting its stride". But we'll get to see more on how well 3rd party games sell on the 3DS in the (near) future.
I think the 3DS is hitting it's stride (in Japan anyway), but meh, we'll see.

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Saying that the 3DS is the system that developers will go to because of rising development costs where risks are low and profits are high pretty much means to me that it would be considered a safe haven for said developers. Also, bolded can't be applied as a universal statement. Depending on the target demographic, the PSP would be a way more viable option.
I meant to say that the 3DS will be a safer option for profit, not a sure option for profit. It wouldn't matter if the PSP is more viable, because Sony is trying make Vita the system devs develop for so the PSP will be out the door soon.
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Well, there comes a point where that constant increasing will make prices so high it's unsustainable. iirc, the price for making a current gen game costs around 40 to 60 million dollars. It'll only get higher, which will only make systems such as the 3DS only that much more attractive to develop for.
I've seen estimates that are closer to 10-30 million on average for HD games. Compare that with the $3-5 million average of Wii games, and the difference is pretty big. Most likely much bigger than the difference between the budgets of 3DS and Vita games especially since most of the games are priced similarly, and Yoshida also said that Vita games don't cost $10 million to make.

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I meant to say that the 3DS will be a safer option for profit, not a sure option for profit. It wouldn't matter if the PSP is more viable, because Sony is trying make Vita the system devs develop for so the PSP will be out the door soon.
Even then, it still depends on the game, its target demographic, and some other factors (like competition).
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Vita actually makes money per unit, but only if you look at in cost to price ratio, with no other factors. Still I bet Sony is losing more money than gaining due to having to advertise it and other issues.

Hmmm, people do this a lot on here. Imply things, and then try to use the cover of " I didn't flat-out say it, so don't make assumptions" when people question them. But two can play that game.

"Technically" I didn't say that the Vita is/isn't making a profit. I just pointed out that Sony is selling it at a loss(According to them.)
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Hmmm, people do this a lot on here. Imply things, and then try to use the cover of " I didn't flat-out say it, so don't make assumptions" when people question them. But two can play that game.

"Technically" I didn't say that the Vita is/isn't making a profit. I just pointed out that Sony is selling it at a loss(According to them.)
OK. We've made about 0 progress, that I think we can agree on.
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The spin-off titles don't continue the story set by Kingdom Hearts 2.
2. Point being? They've been on Nintendo handhelds for 2 of the past gens.
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3. This is a reasonable excuse for why it performed the way it did... but only because of the system that it was on. On the PSP, though, I wouldn't doubt that it would have sold through the vast majority of its shipment.
Exactly. The Kingdom Hearts games on Nintendo systems haven't been as critically acclaimed as the ones on PlayStation systems. This most likely left the stigma that having Dream Drop Distance on the 3DS would make it inferior.
1. Nonsense. Both coded and KH3D take place after KH2, and thus continue the story. And these "spin-offs" of which you talk about are main games, as they all take place in the same storyline. A spin-off would be... say, Kingdom Hearts Mobile, which was released for Japanese phones sometime a few years ago.

3. Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (on GBA) and 358/2 Days (on DS), according to Metacritic have received generally favorable reviews, same as KH and KH2, with only Re:coded lagging behind in the average reviews section - however, that's not even that bad (why, even Re:CoM, on PS2, landed in that section). KH3D is clearly not inferior, as it's the second highest rated KH game by Famitsu, behind solely KH2, and has received praise from folks who have played demos of it at conventions and expos and the like.
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Neither the 3DS or Vita are making a profit, they are both selling at a loss.

The total cost of the hardware components is less than the retail price of both units, that is true. You can't really say they're making a profit on the hardware components though, you gotta look at the whole package. The retail industry doesn't work like that.

Gotta look at all the other stuff that goes into it, manufacturing, packaging, distribution, and also the fact that retailers buy it at a teeny tiny discount (like $5-$10) over retail. It comes out at a loss, but probably only a slight loss for Nintendo. Similar with Sony. The Vita uses off-the-shelf cell phone hardware for the most part, the screen alone costing the most. At it's current price, it probably makes just as much as a loss for them as the 3DS does for Nintendo (which is why the inevitable price cut will affect their bottom line). Since their 3G 'subsidy' version isn't selling at all, they're probably taking a bigger loss than anticipated.

If memory serves, the original DS went through a loss period after the initial price cut. At least until the DS lite came out in all territories.

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Since it's relevant to the thread, just wanted to throw in my two cents about the Vita after buying one. When the 3DS was launched, SSF4 was the must have for me, and it's still one of my faves. The visuals are great, and the reviews reflected as much. Yet the one knock against them was the static backgrounds.

Now I picked up a Vita along with MvC3 and the one thing I noticed right away was static backgrounds. Yet hardly any review for the title mentions this. It was a big deal for SSF4 apparently. But nobody seems to care for MvC3. I mean, most SSF4 players don't care about them either, but the reviewers did. Such a big stink is always made about Nintendo 'fanboy' bias, yet SSF4, a great-looking 3DS launch title, was criticized for having static backgrounds (and still is) yet on Vita nobody seems to care.

Vita was marketed as a 'portable PS3' (it's nowhere near it, PSP was closer the PS2 than Vita to PS3) so you would think this would have been a big deal. The particle effects are low res. The game is great obviously, but there is nothing here that couldn't be done on 3DS.

I also picked up Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus.. I wish I hadn't. The original (including the Xbox 1 game it's based off of) was 60fps. This is 30fps and it drops sometimes. Seriously, the Xbox 1 original looks superior even. The lighting effects in the Vita version are the only superior thing. That and the extras.

I didn't get the flagship launch game Uncharted because I haven't played any Uncharted games yet and would rather do that first on the PS3. I did play the demo unit and it looked nice (especially on the nice screen) but was jagged. Turns out its rendered at lower-than-native res. I don't know why they did that. iOS devs got castrated for doing this after the retina display came out. It's passable on a TV to render lower-than-native when you set 7 feet away, but not on a portable.

I'm unimpressed with the Vita. To be honest, I just want it for FFX on the go. If that even comes out now. It's bigger than PSP phat and even though it can make PSP games look nicer via a filter, you have to re-buy them. Which IMO means it isn't really BC. The generational divide between 3DS and Vita is much more narrow than DS and PSP. I would venture so far to say that any Vita game can probably run on the 3DS with sacrifices of course. Certainly there is no excuse for a lack of MvC3 of even the upcoming SFvT.
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None of you work for Sony or Nintendo, so there really is no reason to keep arguing about this topic.

Bottom line, Nintendo is selling more systems, therefore more software... So Nintendo is in a better position to recoup any losses than Sony at the moment.
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Now I picked up a Vita along with MvC3 and the one thing I noticed right away was static backgrounds. Yet hardly any review for the title mentions this. It was a big deal for SSF4 apparently. But nobody seems to care for MvC3. I mean, most SSF4 players don't care about them either, but the reviewers did. Such a big stink is always made about Nintendo 'fanboy' bias, yet SSF4, a great-looking 3DS launch title, was criticized for having static backgrounds (and still is) yet on Vita nobody seems to care.

Vita was marketed as a 'portable PS3' (it's nowhere near it, PSP was closer the PS2 than Vita to PS3) so you would think this would have been a big deal. The particle effects are low res. The game is great obviously, but there is nothing here that couldn't be done on 3DS.

I also picked up Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus.. I wish I hadn't. The original (including the Xbox 1 game it's based off of) was 60fps. This is 30fps and it drops sometimes. Seriously, the Xbox 1 original looks superior even. The lighting effects in the Vita version are the only superior thing. That and the extras.
Every review I read or watched said the backgrounds were downgraded in quality, but not to the extent that SF on 3DS, so I don't know where you are getting this from? Also isn't SSFIV on 3DS slow, and UMvC3 on Vita the same as the PS3 version with only downgraded backgrounds yet still at 60 fps? Not to mention this is first generation games on the Vita, so expecting them to be on par with PS3 right now is stupid.

As far as Sigma+ I think the Vita version looks outstanding, and its certainly better than any Xbox game. The 30 FPS I hardly even notice, just like Wipeout 2048, and for non-fighters or serious FPS is that really such a big deal?

Uncharted may have "jaggies", but they are all very small, and seriously go load up Uncharted 1, it looks like crap compared to GA at least in terms of details, especially in the character modeling. Yeah GA doesn't look as good as U2 and U3, but again it's a first gen launch title, you can't expect it to. Were you mislead by Sony or were you mislead by some fanboy saying the graphics look exactly like PS3 at launch?

And I completely disagree that PSP to PS2 was closer than PS3 to Vita. The ports there had far more sacrifices than what is currently on the Vita to PS3, and over all there weren't many games ported due to this. Maybe it's because you don't own Uncharted and you are comparing a system out for months compared to a system that's been out for 6 years....
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Every review I read or watched said the backgrounds were downgraded in quality, but not to the extent that SF on 3DS, so I don't know where you are getting this from? Also isn't SSFIV on 3DS slow, and UMvC3 on Vita the same as the PS3 version with only downgraded backgrounds yet still at 60 fps? Not to mention this is first generation games on the Vita, so expecting them to be on par with PS3 right now is stupid.

As far as Sigma+ I think the Vita version looks outstanding, and its certainly better than any Xbox game. The 30 FPS I hardly even notice, just like Wipeout 2048, and for non-fighters or serious FPS is that really such a big deal?

Uncharted may have "jaggies", but they are all very small, and seriously go load up Uncharted 1, it looks like crap compared to GA at least in terms of details, especially in the character modeling. Yeah GA doesn't look as good as U2 and U3, but again it's a first gen launch title, you can't expect it to. Were you mislead by Sony or were you mislead by some fanboy saying the graphics look exactly like PS3 at launch?

And I completely disagree that PSP to PS2 was closer than PS3 to Vita. The ports there had far more sacrifices than what is currently on the Vita to PS3, and over all there weren't many games ported due to this. Maybe it's because you don't own Uncharted and you are comparing a system out for months compared to a system that's been out for 6 years....
Talking about Uncharted: Golden Abyss, I played it again yesterday, and while the game is definitely beautiful, what's up with the characters' faces? They seem below the level of those in Resident Evil: Revelations, mostly the eyes and the teeth.

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The game will stay completely in-tact, but they will change the name xD
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I want to state that I love both systems, but they do have certain strengths that are exclusive.

Vita: Powerful/beautiful hardware. Incredible online.
3ds: Great looking 3d, vast excellent library of games.

I think that the vita is far superior in hardware and online. It was obviously made exclusively for, pardon the cliche, core gamers, but the 3ds' library is flat out awesome. With great first party and third party content, and a great, albeit small, collection of downloadable games. Really one of the better libraries I've ever seen one year after a launch. Not to say the vita doesn't have fun games, it does, but so far nothing on the vita is as good as a revelations or a kid icarus (One set the standard for survival horror on a handheld, and the other is just balls fun.)
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I liked Uncharted GA more than RE:R, though I enjoyed both.
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I liked Uncharted GA more than RE:R, though I enjoyed both.
Uncharted GA is the best handheld game graphically no doubt, but what it does wrong, is that it plays exactly like it's console counterparts, and well, it's simply not as good as them. Revelations had short chapters, and a claustrophobic atmosphere. Perfect for a handheld game. GA was just Uncharted 1 with slightly worse graphics/ less precise control.
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I will just have to disagree with you. GA is my second favorite uncharted behind 2, and my favorite story of the games. Also graphically I still feel its superior to 1 as well.
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The problem with the vita is, that sony doesn't take there own handheld seriously.

The next E3 has to at least be focused around the Vita entirely ( ditch the ps3 besides some fast announcements in 5-10 minutes ) and pull out a ton of big announcements where half of them are getting released at the end of this year.

With that they got to cut down the price drastically.

Sell the wifi version for 200 euro with a memory stick included + a downloadable game to your choice and some PSN stuff with it.

What sony has to do is pull a 3DS 2010 announcement, and a price cut 3DS 2011 announcement.

But honestly, i cant see how sony is going to turn the tide specially with developers like kingdom hearts announcing that the vita is a great device, but i want to start to build a console kingdom hearts at this point.

That's the exact way how the entirely development world thinks about the vita it seems. Its a awesome device. but i cant see how i could ever make any money on it.

Sony needs to threat there handheld as the next big thing instead of the ******ed PS3, that is only interesting for people that are so in love with there PS3 that want to flesh out a insane amount of cash for a device that doesn't even bring them the full experiences.

I hope sony recognises this. But i highly doubt it tho. And even if they recognise it, i think they are to late atm to do something about it. Its obviously clear that the PS4 will be soon if not already the main focus of there top tier first party developers. The left overs will obviously aim for PS3 support and what you got left then will hit the vita.
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Another problem with the vita that I've noticed, is that many people think it JUST streams games from their ps3 on the fly. The advertising here has been terrible, with ads showing the guy taking is vita to continue MLB the show on the fly. It needs to be established as it's own thing, with awesome games that run on it.
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Uncharted GA is the best handheld game graphically no doubt, but what it does wrong, is that it plays exactly like it's console counterparts, and well, it's simply not as good as them. Revelations had short chapters, and a claustrophobic atmosphere. Perfect for a handheld game. GA was just Uncharted 1 with slightly worse graphics/ less precise control.
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Another problem with the vita that I've noticed, is that many people think it JUST streams games from their ps3 on the fly. The advertising here has been terrible, with ads showing the guy taking is vita to continue MLB the show on the fly. It needs to be established as it's own thing, with awesome games that run on it.
Yeah, that commercial is just horrible. Sony needs to market better.
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Yeah, that commercial is just horrible. Sony needs to market better.
I think WipEout 2048 looks hella better than Uncharted and Virtua Tennis 4.
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While it looks smoother it doesn't have the environment detail that Uncharted does. This is what I always bring up when people talk about RE:R.
A lot of things people also seem to forget is that the environments in Re:R act like they are all made of concrete.

You kick that can on the ground, you are going to break your foot. You shoot those small containers on the desk, nothing.

Uncharted all the garbage debris and loose objects are interactive with applied physics.

Run past a milk carton on the ground its going to get kicked and skid across the floor. Along with most everything else in the game.
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A lot of things people also seem to forget is that the environments in Re:R act like they are all made of concrete.

You kick that can on the ground, you are going to break your foot. You shoot those small containers on the desk, nothing.

Uncharted all the garbage debris and loose objects are interactive with applied physics.

Run past a milk carton on the ground its going to get kicked and skid across the floor. Along with most everything else in the game.
The word you are looking for is "static." RE:R has static backgrounds, just like all the PS1 REs and Dreamcast.
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Not me, but it does look good. Seriously the amount of detail in the environments and characters has no equal right now.
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The word you are looking for is "static." RE:R has static backgrounds, just like all the PS1 REs and Dreamcast.
Ps1 games had pre rendered backgrounds.

It was just a bitmap they put polygon characters in front of.... Being that in ReR you can rotate the camera because the environments are rendered in real time.... Static environments, used to describe the fixed camera angles and fake nature of the psx games environments like the re series final fantasy chrono chross parasite eve etc (and zero mission and REmake) is technically an erroneous description.

The environments seem to be made out of cast concrete because thats more or less how they are made.

Those cartons and boxes and other debris are part of the same wireframe as the objects they appear to be sitting on.

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Ps1 games had pre rendered backgrounds.

It was just a bitmap they put polygon characters in front of.... Being that in ReR you can rotate the camera because the environments are rendered in real time.... Static environments, used to describe the fixed camera angles and fake nature of the psx games environments like the re series final fantasy chrono chross parasite eve etc (and zero mission and REmake) is technically an erroneous description.

The environments seem to be made out of cast concrete because thats more or less how they are made.

Those cartons and boxes and other debris are part of the same wireframe as the objects they appear to be sitting on.
Isnt that what "static" referred to, pre-rendered? I just remember back then, everyone referring to RE as having "static" backgrounds.
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Isnt that what "static" referred to, pre-rendered? I just remember back then, everyone referring to RE as having "static" backgrounds.
Yes, that is the term...

But reveleations renders its environments in real time. So the term doesnt apply here.

Thats why you can have an over the shoulder camera and view the game from any angle in 3d space.

What reveleations is missing is an integrated physics engine to provide the interaction uncharted ga enjoys.
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I actually, surprisingly, prefer the slide pad on my 3ds to the analogs on my vita. They seem to have a wider range of motion, and they don't wear on my fingers as bad for fighting games.
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I dunno, I think I got better QCF type motions on the Vita than I did with Street Fighter.
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Maybe it's just me, but I just like the way that my thumb fits into the circle pad.
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No no, I agree with that. It does fit better (you know, when my thumb doesn't move up the slide pad after excessively holding up).

I just meant doing the QCF motions in fighting games was easier on the stick.
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Yes QCF motions are definitely easier. There is one motion that I like better on the slide pad though, it's when your are moving the stick one direction and you push id down, and then an small increment to the left or right. It comes up a lot in UMVC3 and it seems easier to do on the slide pad.
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Well, all I can say is that they both will go down as having some of the worst game droughts in history. I'd say they're on par now with quality of games available, so I look forward to seeing who will win software wise by the end of this year.
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A thought randomly popped into my mind recently, regarding Nintendo's rather aggressive policy lately with game releases and such.

You know how Nintendo timed all their massive 3DS games (SM3DL, MK7, MH3G) right when PS Vita released in Japan? I don't think it's coincidence..

If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases. If they continued with the aggressive stance, they could basically kill a competing platform without giving it much chance to bounce back. Because this holiday season is crucial for Vita.

Interesting to see what E3 brings.
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A thought randomly popped into my mind recently, regarding Nintendo's rather aggressive policy lately with game releases and such.

You know how Nintendo timed all their massive 3DS games (SM3DL, MK7, MH3G) right when PS Vita released in Japan? I don't think it's coincidence..

If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases. If they continued with the aggressive stance, they could basically kill a competing platform without giving it much chance to bounce back. Because this holiday season is crucial for Vita.

Interesting to see what E3 brings.
Definitely not impossible, they already have technically three mario games slated and AC all for the fall/winter.
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A thought randomly popped into my mind recently, regarding Nintendo's rather aggressive policy lately with game releases and such.

You know how Nintendo timed all their massive 3DS games (SM3DL, MK7, MH3G) right when PS Vita released in Japan? I don't think it's coincidence..

If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases. If they continued with the aggressive stance, they could basically kill a competing platform without giving it much chance to bounce back. Because this holiday season is crucial for Vita.

Interesting to see what E3 brings.
I'm still wondering if Call of Duty could put an incredible impact on Vita sales. The franchise hasn't sold as big on handhelds compared to the home consoles.

Vita, being a powerhouse and all, things could change.
And playing it with two analog sticks on a handheld would give a decent, console-quality experience for a FPS.

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I love my vita as of late, I think that it will continue to build a smaller, but very devoted following of fans. I'm pretty excited for gravity rush and resistance coming up soon! E3 is going to be huge for sony, they need to hype this mother****** hard if they want to attract lots o' peeps. Nintendo's entire strategy it seems has been to kill the vita, and so far it's working. Right now nintendo's handheld is cheaper, has more games, and is pretty well established in all area's. The vita needs to show it's worth this E3.
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Nintendo's entire strategy it seems has been to kill the vita, and so far it's working. .
I disagree, I think Nintendo's strategy has been to get as many people to buy it as possible. THAT is what the price drop was for. Nintendo, it seems, needs to worry about releasing games, and doesnt really need to worry much about the Vita at all.

And Vita, also doesnt need to worry about the 3DS, they also need to worry about releasing tons of games.

I havent really noticed Nintendo or Sony really going after each other in their marketing.

I think the price of the Vita, and the economy is killing the Vita. And the fact that their arent really many "must have" games for it yet either.
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I actually, surprisingly, prefer the slide pad on my 3ds to the analogs on my vita. They seem to have a wider range of motion, and they don't wear on my fingers as bad for fighting games.
I agree with you. I originally preferred the slide pad as well but it was a little hard to judge because I had never played any 3DS games with two slide-pads where the Vita was built with twin-stick controls in mind. I bought Resident Evil: Revelations with the circle pad pro last week (absolutely loving it) and then went back to Uncharted and the Vita's analog sticks seemed so much worse to me. They do have a much narrower range of motion.

That said, it also depends on how well the developers use them, because I remember Unit 13 had much better aiming than Uncharted, but overall, for the wider range of motion, the better texture and the better placement, I think the slide-pads are better.

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A thought randomly popped into my mind recently, regarding Nintendo's rather aggressive policy lately with game releases and such.

You know how Nintendo timed all their massive 3DS games (SM3DL, MK7, MH3G) right when PS Vita released in Japan? I don't think it's coincidence..

If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases. If they continued with the aggressive stance, they could basically kill a competing platform without giving it much chance to bounce back. Because this holiday season is crucial for Vita.

Interesting to see what E3 brings.
Maybe there's a little bit of that, but just a bit, because any way you look at it, they weren't not gonna release Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land and Monster Hunter Tri-G during the holiday season. They weren't gonna be like "go ahead Vita, we won't be releasing any games during the most lucrative period of the year on our first year just so you have room to breathe." They've got to release their games strategically, so I think if they did do something to try and kill the Vita, it was small things like releasing Monster Hunter Tri-G right before the Vita launches instead of in November to really advertise that they have Monster Hunter and the Vita doesn't.

In general though what are you gonna do, I bought the Vita so I'd want it to be great and do great, but no matter when Nintendo releases its games, it still has much stronger games in my opinion. It's like Nintendo's been in the business for so long that they already have strong franchises covering a lot of different genres, and with the 3DS they succeeded in getting third parties to give them the kind of games they don't make like Monster Hunter and Resident Evil.

What I want to see for the Vita is mainly exclusive, ambitious new IPs like Gravity Rush. Many of their existing IPs, in my view, just can't compare with what Nintendo has and that's what's hurting them. And then the Vita seems to be getting a lot of ports this year, and I really hope they have something else at E3, because I really didn't buy the Vita to play PS3 games.

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You know how Nintendo timed all their massive 3DS games (SM3DL, MK7, MH3G) right when PS Vita released in Japan? I don't think it's coincidence..
Big games usually release around the holiday season. And you're making the assumption that Mario caters to the same people that would buy a Vita. According to Nintendo, that's just not true.

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Interesting to see what E3 brings.
Nintendo's holding back games to have a steady stream? I can't even think of one b/a-tier Nintendo published game coming out in June or July. So I'm not sure what you count as a steady stream.

NSMB2 is hitting in what, August? That's probably going to be the 3DS's biggest and best selling game in its entire life and it's not even coming out during the holidays. If they're not holding that back for the holidays then what are they?

But what I find more interesting is how Nintendo's going to balance their development resources between the WiiU and 3DS. People might like to rag on Sony for not putting ND, Sucker Punch, MM, etc. on the Vita but outsourcing seems like the only way to properly support both a handheld and HD console.
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Big games usually release around the holiday season. And you're making the assumption that Mario caters to the same people that would buy a Vita. According to Nintendo, that's just not true.
I also mentioned Monster Hunter but you sneakily avoided that.


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Not everything is announced yet. All Nintendo games are quality products so they all count as "steady stream". Animal Crossing is most likely a summer game.

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NSMB2 is hitting in what, August? That's probably going to be the 3DS's biggest and best selling game in its entire life and it's not even coming out during the holidays. If they're not holding that back for the holidays then what are they?
We will see in a bit over a week :]

And yeah I agree, Nintendo releasing Wii U is probably the only reason why they can't hand out the finishing blow. Takes too much resources.
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Not everything is announced yet. All Nintendo games are quality products so they all count as "steady stream". Animal Crossing is most likely a summer game.
That's not true. And since little to no info has been revealed about Animal Crossing, summer seems a little too soon.
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Nintendo's holding back games to have a steady stream? I can't even think of one b/a-tier Nintendo published game coming out in June or July. So I'm not sure what you count as a steady stream.

NSMB2 is hitting in what, August? That's probably going to be the 3DS's biggest and best selling game in its entire life and it's not even coming out during the holidays. If they're not holding that back for the holidays then what are they?
Yeah I agree with Joba, Nintendo doesn't release games every single month, but not only do they always deliver a really solid game when they release one, but they have room for big third-party titles in between. You say there's no Nintendo game in June and July, and that's true, but they're pushing hard for Heroes of Ruin in June and Kingdom Hearts 3D in July to be big successes for the platform and they also have Pokemon Black and White 2 for the DS in Japan and Pokemon Conquest in the US that they expect many 3DS owners to be interested in considering the 3DS is fully backwards compatible. Just because Nintendo doesn't release their own games every month doesn't mean there's not a steady stream, it would be suicide to not leave any room for third-party games to thrive.

As for what they're holding back for the holidays, they already have three previously announced games that are going to come out in the fall in Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario.
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Big games usually release around the holiday season. And you're making the assumption that Mario caters to the same people that would buy a Vita. According to Nintendo, that's just not true.



Nintendo's holding back games to have a steady stream? I can't even think of one b/a-tier Nintendo published game coming out in June or July. So I'm not sure what you count as a steady stream.

NSMB2 is hitting in what, August? That's probably going to be the 3DS's biggest and best selling game in its entire life and it's not even coming out during the holidays. If they're not holding that back for the holidays then what are they?

But what I find more interesting is how Nintendo's going to balance their development resources between the WiiU and 3DS. People might like to rag on Sony for not putting ND, Sucker Punch, MM, etc. on the Vita but outsourcing seems like the only way to properly support both a handheld and HD console.
I dont see nintendo having much of a issue, as they do actually seem to have a better plan then what sony had.

the critical error from sony was, that they focused far to much on the PS3 when the vita launched and they still do. if they simple shifted there main development teams on the vita at the start of 2011, then 2012 would be filled with games that are highly interesting and development could start for the ps4 to get some software going at the middle / end for 2013 ps4 release.

Nintendo can simple just keep the games announced on hold (3ds), push there development teams towards wii-u titles for this year and next year, and simple just release 3DS games that are co-developed with b-tier teams ( handheld version ) a-tier teams ( wii-u version ) and announce those to be ready at start of 2013 / mid 2013.

When the 3DS plumbers on sales, just release the already done games anyway like mario paper / luigi mansion / animal crossing or release a pokemon game or even push out a revision of the 3DS and people will be happy anyway.

When the Wii-u sales move upwards, the focus can return towards the 3DS again partly.

Sony simple has no way to support there own consoles atm. There PS4 launch will be lackbusting as hell if they want to pick up the pace for first party games on the vita.
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Yeah I agree with Joba, Nintendo doesn't release games every single month, but not only do they always deliver a really solid game when they release one, but they have room for big third-party titles in between. You say there's no Nintendo game in June and July, and that's true, but they're pushing hard for Heroes of Ruin in June and Kingdom Hearts 3D in July to be big successes for the platform
They are? Heroes of Ruin and Theathrhythm don't seem like big 3rd party games either.

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and they also have Pokemon Black and White 2 for the DS in Japan and Pokemon Conquest in the US that they expect many 3DS owners to be interested in considering the 3DS is fully backwards compatible. Just because Nintendo doesn't release their own games every month doesn't mean there's not a steady stream, it would be suicide to not leave any room for third-party games to thrive.
Now, I'm not saying the 3DS doesn't have a steady stream. My issue is more with this "If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases" because it makes it sound like they're holding back a lot of their own games.

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I don't think that answers my question.
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Nintendo is obviously holding back there game titles for the gap that gets created by the wii-u. So that the 3DS wouldn't get a major draught of games in the next upcoming year for sure..

The E3 will probably promise a lot, but i highly doubt anything of those announcements will get released ( new big titles ) this year and just delayed to keep the appearance up of the wii-u not cannibalizing the 3DS development teams.
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I dont see nintendo having much of a issue, as they do actually seem to have a better plan then what sony had.

the critical error from sony was, that they focused far to much on the PS3 when the vita launched and they still do. if they simple shifted there main development teams on the vita at the start of 2011, then 2012 would be filled with games that are highly interesting and development could start for the ps4 to get some software going at the middle / end for 2013 ps4 release.
2011 was a big year for PS3 exclusives. Sucker Punch, Insomniac, and ND definitely couldn't have shifted focus. And if they stuck with the 2 year dev cycle, we wouldn't be seeing anything interesting until 2013 at the earliest.

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Nintendo can simple just keep the games announced on hold (3ds), push there development teams towards wii-u titles for this year and next year, and simple just release 3DS games that are co-developed with b-tier teams ( handheld version ) a-tier teams ( wii-u version ) and announce those to be ready at start of 2013 / mid 2013.
So... delay some games and outsource most if not all of the work for the handheld games?

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Sony simple has no way to support there own consoles atm. There PS4 launch will be lackbusting as hell if they want to pick up the pace for first party games on the vita.
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.
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They are? Heroes of Ruin and Theathrhythm don't seem like big 3rd party games either.



Now, I'm not saying the 3DS doesn't have a steady stream. My issue is more with this "If Nintendo wanted, they could put all their eggs in one basket this E3 and destroy Vita's holiday season with a massive lineup. Like how they were (and still are) holding back several titles to have a steady stream of releases" because it makes it sound like they're holding back a lot of their own games.



I don't think that answers my question.
How does that not answer your question? You asked "if they're not holding that (NSMB2) back for the holidays then what are they?" Again, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion 2.

As for his statement about putting all their eggs in one basket, I'm not sure what he means by that. If he means they could release all their games at once and kill the Vita then that wouldn't make sense because the games would cannibalize each other. If he means they could bet a lot on this E3 by announcing one or two more big titles for the holiday season and making massive announcements and unveilings for the future (like showing Zelda or something like StarFox, Metroid, F-Zero, Donkey Kong or an ambitious new IP), yeah they could, and that could hurt the Vita pretty badly I suppose if Sony doesn't have a very good lineup for the Vita this holiday season.

But I really was just talking about the steady stream thing. Do I believe they're holding back on some of their own games? Yes, but it's completely normal. Happens with everything. They need to release them thinking strategically, so I do believe that they're holding back PM, LG2 and AC to release them when it makes the most sense business-wise.

Kingdom Hearts 3D in July is obviously gonna be a big title; Theaterhythm I didn't mention, but I guess it's a decently big and quality release; and yeah I think Heroes of Ruin is big for the developers and for the platform. It's obviously not gonna sell like crazy, but probably enough for the size of the investment, and it's especially important just as an ambitious third-party title for the 3DS. As far as the 3DS is concerned this summer, Heroes of Ruin is an important release that they're pushing for. It doesn't have very wide appeal but I believe the appeal is strong for their audience, and it shows off another side of what the 3DS can do.

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How does that not answer your question? You asked "if they're not holding that (NSMB2) back for the holidays then what are they?" Again, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion 2.
"they already have three previously announced games that are going to come out in the fall in Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario."

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Kingdom Hearts 3D in July is obviously gonna be a big title; Theaterhythm I didn't mention, but I guess it's a decently big and quality release; and yeah I think Heroes of Ruin is big for the developers and for the platform. It's obviously not gonna sell like crazy, but probably enough for the size of the investment, and it's especially important just as an ambitious third-party title for the 3DS. As far as the 3DS is concerned this summer, Heroes of Ruin is an important release that they're pushing for. It doesn't have very wide appeal but I believe the appeal is strong for their audience, and it shows off another side of what the 3DS can do.
I agree about KH3D. But when I said "big" before, I meant sales wise.
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What nintendo has done that I think has really hurt the vita, is aiming for the Japanese audience. So many of the games they have made or have been made by third party have been aimed at japan, resulting in japanese vita sales slowing to slim numbers. KH, MH, FE, BD, etc. All of these games look to the japanese market.
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And? You asked what they're holding back for the holidays. AC, LM2 and PM are gonna come out during the holiday season, that's fall.

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I agree about KH3D. But when I said "big" before, I meant sales wise.
Fact remains that it's a steady stream of important games. Heroes of Ruin is probably going to be big for n-space. Obviously they won't have 5 million sellers every month.
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And? You asked what they're holding back for the holidays. AC, LM2 and PM are gonna come out during the holiday season, that's fall.
Late November to early January is considered fall in the US?
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Late November to early January is considered fall in the US?
Fall starts in September and ends on December 20th man, which is exactly the period in which those titles are going to be released. I expect one title to be released in the build-up to the holiday season in October, and the other two to be released in November and early December, like Pokemon Rumble Blast, Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 last year.

Late December and early January is part of winter and none of those games are going to be released at that time.
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Fall starts in September and ends on December 20th man, which is exactly the period in which those titles are going to be released. I expect one title to be released in the build-up to the holiday season in October, and the other two to be released in November and early December, like Pokemon Rumble Blast, Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 last year.

Late December and early January is part of winter and none of those games are going to be released at that time.
I know when the season technically ends but the weather usually doesn't follow suit. Either way, it's pointless to argue about it.
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I know when the season technically ends but the weather usually doesn't follow suit. Either way, it's pointless to argue about it.
What does weather have to do with it? Fall is fall. September to November.( To not be confusing, I'm including the full month of November.)

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Well, weather or no weather, let's not argue about it anymore because we're far from the original point anyway. Bottom line is AC, LM2 and PM should be released in the last three or four months of the year and they'll be used as big 3DS holiday sellers.
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But even so Im wary to just blindly agree with something from IGN its highly likely that igns article is full of bull**** and loaded opinions that would just make me look like a moron by agreeing before making sure its not a load of crap.

On one hand, I want to see.... But on the other, im done giving the troll site ad clicks.
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You should post his points, so I dont have to watch it

Please?
It's not waterproof so how are you supposed to go swimming with it?
It has cameras which isn't good because who wants to be filmed while playing games and taking a ****?
It doesn't come with Microsoft Kinect even though it came out like 3 years ago.
It doesn't even have Halo.
It doesn't have 3D.
It has a French name and it's a Japanese product.
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He bashes every system lol its funny. Like when ds game out he based it for having two screens but then he bashed psp for only having one. His videos are so stupid they are funny
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I dont use game systems for apps on the go. I use my android.
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I have both the Vita and the 3DS and can easily attest that the two machines coexist nicely inside my home with no in-fighting whatsoever. The 3DS lets me satiate my addiction to Nintendo platformers and other interesting gameplay mechanics. The Vita allows me a console-like experience from a handheld which is a godsend for me, since I am married with 3 kids and very rarely have the luxury of a TV all to myself. Damn you pokemon episodes, Dora the Explorer and Yo Gaba Gaba!
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I am finding this site more and more difficult to read. I don't own a Vita yet, but I have been going on there for a while to hear Vita owners views and like minded people who are waiting until the time is right for them to get one. Don't get me wrong there are great members on there, and sifting through the bs, as with most forums, there's good topics, it just seems lately everything get's dragged down.

There is one member on there who i'm pretty sure is trolling everyone, being very pro Vita and anti 3DS, getting everybody worked up by posting a 3DS fanboys comments, when i've seen someone with the same username on another site slating the Vita, (could be a coincidence I suppose). The thread on why people want the Vita to fail is a joke, mainly one group of fanboys calling out another, all without a hint of irony.

Then there's Buramu, I didn't always agree with him on here, but he had valid points at times and was entertaining. Reading his comments on there though, he just can't stop himself, criticising Nintendo and this forum at any given chance. I know you still read this forum Buramu so if you read this, seriously let it go, you do yourself no favours.

Saying all this though, i'm going to stay with the site for when I do get a Vita, and as I said there are great members there, (ironically most of whom are also members here).
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I am finding this site more and more difficult to read. I don't own a Vita yet, but I have been going on there for a while to hear Vita owners views and like minded people who are waiting until the time is right for them to get one. Don't get me wrong there are great members on there, and sifting through the bs, as with most forums, there's good topics, it just seems lately everything get's dragged down.

There is one member on there who i'm pretty sure is trolling everyone, being very pro Vita and anti 3DS, getting everybody worked up by posting a 3DS fanboys comments, when i've seen someone with the same username on another site slating the Vita, (could be a coincidence I suppose). The thread on why people want the Vita to fail is a joke, mainly one group of fanboys calling out another, all without a hint of irony.

Then there's Buramu, I didn't always agree with him on here, but he had valid points at times and was entertaining. Reading his comments on there though, he just can't stop himself, criticising Nintendo and this forum at any given chance. I know you still read this forum Buramu so if you read this, seriously let it go, you do yourself no favours.

Saying all this though, i'm going to stay with the site for when I do get a Vita, and as I said there are great members there, (ironically most of whom are also members here).
Aww, thank you.

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I am finding this site more and more difficult to read. I don't own a Vita yet, but I have been going on there for a while to hear Vita owners views and like minded people who are waiting until the time is right for them to get one. Don't get me wrong there are great members on there, and sifting through the bs, as with most forums, there's good topics, it just seems lately everything get's dragged down.

There is one member on there who i'm pretty sure is trolling everyone, being very pro Vita and anti 3DS, getting everybody worked up by posting a 3DS fanboys comments, when i've seen someone with the same username on another site slating the Vita, (could be a coincidence I suppose). The thread on why people want the Vita to fail is a joke, mainly one group of fanboys calling out another, all without a hint of irony.

Then there's Buramu, I didn't always agree with him on here, but he had valid points at times and was entertaining. Reading his comments on there though, he just can't stop himself, criticising Nintendo and this forum at any given chance. I know you still read this forum Buramu so if you read this, seriously let it go, you do yourself no favours.

Saying all this though, i'm going to stay with the site for when I do get a Vita, and as I said there are great members there, (ironically most of whom are also members here).
What site is this you speak of? I agree to a certain extent i own both and both have there faults
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What site is this you speak of? I agree to a certain extent i own both and both have there faults
The vita forum.
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Honestly the vita forums, excluding the members who are also on this site, are extreme fanboys. It's pretty lolzy looking at what they say
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Honestly the vita forums, excluding the members who are also on this site, are extreme fanboys. It's pretty lolzy looking at what they say
Yeah, I've been browsing around that forum lately because I'm buying a Vita soon and noticed that. They're fine when they're just talking about the Vita but bring up the 3DS and they all start flaming Nintendo with the exception of a few smart ones. It's not like here where everyone is pretty cool.
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Yeah, I've been browsing around that forum lately because I'm buying a Vita soon and noticed that. They're fine when they're just talking about the Vita but bring up the 3DS and they all start flaming Nintendo with the exception of a few smart ones. It's not like here where everyone is pretty cool.
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I actually noticed that the admin of the Vita forum bashes on the 3DS in quite a vulgar manner. Professional...
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Well I enjoy my 3DS. Much fun had by just being able to pick up and play. I'm sure I'd enjoy the Vita too but the cost is just too much.
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Until now, no vita game has even come close to icarus for me, but I think gravity rush might finally justify my purchase of the system.
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No game for either system has justified my purchase of them just yet. Gravity Rush is a great, unique game, but the combat is a little to "meh" to be a system seller.

As for the 3DS, Kid Icarus was certainly NOT the game, Revelations did a much better job at making me feel like the 3DS was worth owning. Unfortunately, not even Revelations was good enough to make it the system seller...lacking online and a few hiccups here and there prevent it from such.

Honestly, I feel completely shafted by both systems. I honestly think this will be the most disappointing handheld generation yet. This is coming from someone who LOVED the DS and PSP.
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Unfortunately, not even Revelations was good enough to make it the system seller...lacking online and a few hiccups here and there prevent it from such.
But Revelations does have online.
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No game for either system has justified my purchase of them just yet. Gravity Rush is a great, unique game, but the combat is a little to "meh" to be a system seller.

As for the 3DS, Kid Icarus was certainly NOT the game, Revelations did a much better job at making me feel like the 3DS was worth owning. Unfortunately, not even Revelations was good enough to make it the system seller...lacking online and a few hiccups here and there prevent it from such.

Honestly, I feel completely shafted by both systems. I honestly think this will be the most disappointing handheld generation yet. This is coming from someone who LOVED the DS and PSP.
I mean its just the start of the new generation so i kinda think it's a little too quick to say it will be the most disappointing generation since IMO , i didn't really enjoy the previous handheld generation and this generation looks really good.

But i agree with u on the lack of system sellers and i'm also still on the fence for the PS Vita. I'm hoping the Assasin's creed Liberation or COD will be the system seller for the PS Vita. It's experiencing the same drought that the 3ds had when it was luanched but i believed it will picked up in the future. Soul sacrifice looks cool

And abt Resident evil:R And Ki:U they are both really great games. I know KI:U doesn't look amazing graphically but it is huge on content and online and u really have to try it to enjoy the game. RE:R is great too! Both Story and online Wise.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:50 AM
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I too think it looks like the better comparable handheld generation. The Vita in four months is already better than the PSP in its entire life in my opinion because the hardware actually fits the games it is getting. Forget about the PSP having only one nub instead of two despite the PS2 games it was getting; that single nub was plain awful, it really was. I would roll my eyes and sigh every time a game forced me to use it, and I haven't really enjoyed any game that did.

As for the 3DS, it's become my favorite handheld ever, perhaps behind the original Game Boy because it had such a long lifespan and thus a very rich library.
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But Revelations does have online.
Umm, derp? By "lacking online", I meant the online portion was lacking. I didn't say "was lacking online". Come on people, let's not be silly. I mean, really? You honestly thought that's what I meant? lol

Anyways, I know it's early, don't get me wrong, I'm not "that" guy, but based on the idiocy of both companies, I have a really bad feeling about this generation. Nintendo couldn't be bothered to make a system that was up to date with the rest of gaming, and now they are saying the 3DS is a one and done system(which I personally don't believe, but when Shigeru said the gyroscope was enough to counter the lack of a second circle pad, ugh)

The Vita has amazing potential, but Sony is just screwing up, beyond repair. It has a lot to do if it wants to counter the PSP's greatness, but Sony seems to be actively trying to let it fail. Crappy E3 support, overpriced memory cards, giving AAA franchises to B- developers, lacking of basic features the PSP had, ect. Unfortunately, the fact that every single worthwhile game on the Vita outside of Gravity Rush just feels like a dumbed-down/could've been done on the PS3 game is really bad, and that's not including the blatant PS3-ports(which aren't bad at all, mind you, but to gamers who already have this mentality, it's dangerous)

I honestly think this generation will be much less notable then last gen. From what Nintendo and Sony have brought to the table, said and shown, I don't see the 3DS surpassing the DS, and I most certainly don't see the Vita surpassing the PSP.

Call it the casual market, call it severe competition from Apple, call it whatever you want, but this generation at the very least will be rocky.

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I too think it looks like the better comparable handheld generation. The Vita in four months is already better than the PSP in its entire life in my opinion because the hardware actually fits the games it is getting. Forget about the PSP having only one nub instead of two despite the PS2 games it was getting; that single nub was plain awful, it really was. I would roll my eyes and sigh every time a game forced me to use it, and I haven't really enjoyed any game that did.

As for the 3DS, it's become my favorite handheld ever, perhaps behind the original Game Boy because it had such a long lifespan and thus a very rich library.
I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but if you honestly just said what you did, even as an opinion, about the Vita already being better than the PSP and the 3DS becoming your favorite handheld ever, I will not ever take anything you say seriously about handheld systems ever again. So let's not further converse on this subject =D
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Umm, derp? By "lacking online", I meant the online portion was lacking. I didn't say "was lacking online". Come on people, let's not be silly. I mean, really? You honestly thought that's what I meant? lol
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Maybe "a lacking online" would have cleared up the confusion in this case. "Was" wouldn't really be correct in that sentence.
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I think the 3ds is already set as a good system. It has had IMO two fantastic handheld games: Revelations, Uprising, that have defined the system. Now it has a pretty steady torrent of games on the way. The vita has a few good games, but no games that define the system, and right now, besides gravity rush, we have a drought.
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This is the way I see it:

Most people getting a 3DS are getting it as an upgrade from the NDS, considering how popular the NDS was/is it should be no surprise that its more popular and probably always will be. Home-brew also works on the 3DS so all that NDS goodness is compatible just the way you remember it with the added benefit of buying new titles with 3D and better graphics.

PSP owners are likely upgrading to the Vita and the only reason PSP did so well was due to Monster Hunter which the 3DS has a new version of out in Japan already.

Vita has great graphics but Sony always manages to screw it up just like they did with the PSP Go. I'd be surprised if they make another hand-held after this and will likely just stick all the hardware in their Mobile Phones and stick a 'Vita Compatible' tag on it and go fully digital.

I owned the PSP and PSP Go but the NDS was where I spent most my time so upgraded to the 3DS accordingly and very happy with my decision.
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Umm, derp? By "lacking online", I meant the online portion was lacking. I didn't say "was lacking online". Come on people, let's not be silly. I mean, really? You honestly thought that's what I meant? lol

Anyways, I know it's early, don't get me wrong, I'm not "that" guy, but based on the idiocy of both companies, I have a really bad feeling about this generation. Nintendo couldn't be bothered to make a system that was up to date with the rest of gaming, and now they are saying the 3DS is a one and done system(which I personally don't believe, but when Shigeru said the gyroscope was enough to counter the lack of a second circle pad, ugh)

The Vita has amazing potential, but Sony is just screwing up, beyond repair. It has a lot to do if it wants to counter the PSP's greatness, but Sony seems to be actively trying to let it fail. Crappy E3 support, overpriced memory cards, giving AAA franchises to B- developers, lacking of basic features the PSP had, ect. Unfortunately, the fact that every single worthwhile game on the Vita outside of Gravity Rush just feels like a dumbed-down/could've been done on the PS3 game is really bad, and that's not including the blatant PS3-ports(which aren't bad at all, mind you, but to gamers who already have this mentality, it's dangerous)

I honestly think this generation will be much less notable then last gen. From what Nintendo and Sony have brought to the table, said and shown, I don't see the 3DS surpassing the DS, and I most certainly don't see the Vita surpassing the PSP.

Call it the casual market, call it severe competition from Apple, call it whatever you want, but this generation at the very least will be rocky.

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I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but if you honestly just said what you did, even as an opinion, about the Vita already being better than the PSP and the 3DS becoming your favorite handheld ever, I will not ever take anything you say seriously about handheld systems ever again. So let's not further converse on this subject =D
Oh, excuse me. The 3ds is my favorite handheld and I think the Vita has surpassed the psp already. Is there something wrong with that?

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No game for either system has justified my purchase of them just yet. Gravity Rush is a great, unique game, but the combat is a little to "meh" to be a system seller.

As for the 3DS, Kid Icarus was certainly NOT the game, Revelations did a much better job at making me feel like the 3DS was worth owning. Unfortunately, not even Revelations was good enough to make it the system seller...lacking online and a few hiccups here and there prevent it from such.

Honestly, I feel completely shafted by both systems. I honestly think this will be the most disappointing handheld generation yet. This is coming from someone who LOVED the DS and PSP.
It's been, what, one year? How can you brush this off as the most disappointing handheld gaming year? Revelations alone beats down anything the ds had to offer.
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It's been, what, one year? How can you brush this off as the most disappointing handheld gaming year? Revelations alone beats down anything the ds had to offer.
The DS had a very memorable library.
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Eh, the games did what they could, considering the hardware.
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The vita has a few good games, but no games that define the system, and right now, besides gravity rush, we have a drought.
I used to think so, but wo-****ing-w, I can't stop marveling at Gravity Rush. It literally is the game I feel like I've been dreaming to play since I was a kid. I don't see the Vita getting anything like it again, but just the fact that it has it is wonderful. Seriously, what a gem; it's like it was made for me considering how much I like it.
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Eh, the games did what they could, considering the hardware.
I find the best DS games were the ones that didn't attempt to use the hardware's limits, graphically many could have been GBA games (Some were).

Phonenix Wright, The World Ends with You, and little underplayed gems like Ninja Town and Henry Hatsworth.
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DS is probably my favorite system ever, the gaming library is 2nd only to the ps2 imo
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I used to think so, but wo-****ing-w, I can't stop marveling at Gravity Rush. It literally is the game I feel like I've been dreaming to play since I was a kid. I don't see the Vita getting anything like it again, but just the fact that it has it is wonderful. Seriously, what a gem; it's like it was made for me considering how much I like it.
Gravity Rush is great, but not perfect. It needs a little bit more content and things to outside the main quest and the challenges, and more people to talk to.

It does define the system, though, more than Uncharted or WipEout.

I would love a sequel with improvements on the things I mentioned, because damn this game is pretty, fun and has a well-designed world.
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Gravity Rush is great, but not perfect. It needs a little bit more content and things to outside the main quest and the challenges, and more people to talk to.

It does define the system, though, more than Uncharted or WipEout.

I would love a sequel with improvements on the things I mentioned, because damn this game is pretty, fun and has a well-designed world.
True, more stuff to do, more people to talk to, and places you can actually go inside of, like shops and things like that. But then again, the game is brilliant in places I didn't expect, like that gravity slide move as another way to get around. The fact that it could do even more is not that big of a flaw to me, because what it's doing, it does really well, and it already does a lot. I haven't finished the game yet, but so far I'd estimate I will give it a 9.5/10. Some may think it's too generous, but to me it deserves it. I'd probably give Resident Evil: Revelations, which is my favorite 3DS game, something like an 8.5.
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I used to think so, but wo-****ing-w, I can't stop marveling at Gravity Rush. It literally is the game I feel like I've been dreaming to play since I was a kid. I don't see the Vita getting anything like it again, but just the fact that it has it is wonderful. Seriously, what a gem; it's like it was made for me considering how much I like it.
Funny that you didn't care for the game at first.

Glad you love it.
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I used to think so, but wo-****ing-w, I can't stop marveling at Gravity Rush. It literally is the game I feel like I've been dreaming to play since I was a kid. I don't see the Vita getting anything like it again, but just the fact that it has it is wonderful. Seriously, what a gem; it's like it was made for me considering how much I like it.
I dont think I would go that far, but it was definitely worth the purchase. I hyped the right game for once. This game has not dissapointed me.
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I'm enjoying it as much as Resident Evil: Revelations. I liked the story and the gameplay a bit better in Revelations, but the free-roaming and music in Gravity Rush are really cool.
I'd give both games a 9. Gravity Rush is the best Vita game so far, and Resident Evil is the best original 3DS game so far.

What is your favourite city? I have 3 districts unlocked right now, and I really like the music in the entertainment district. The design of the cities is really good; I love how it's build up of different layers and that you can dive very deep into it sometimes.
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What is your favourite city? I have 3 districts unlocked right now, and I really like the music in the entertainment district.
Really? I actually can't stand the entertainment district music. It's so repetitive and gets annoying easily. My favorite city would probably be the one you start in. Relaxing music.

Anyway, I'm loving Gravity Rush more and more as I continue to play it. However, I am not the type to give games ratings without beating them, so I'll wait until I completed it.
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Really? I actually can't stand the entertainment district music. It's so repetitive and gets annoying easily. My favorite city would probably be the one you start in. Relaxing music.

Anyway, I'm loving Gravity Rush more and more as I continue to play it. However, I am not the type to give games ratings without beating them, so I'll wait until I completed it.
I hate ratings, but I think that I've played enough to know where this is going, :P.

I thought the music in the entertainment district was very upbeat. I thought Auldnoir had good music, too, and it fits the city very well. I also like the height differences in the towns.
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Yeah, Pleajeune (the entertainment district) is my favorite out of the four, although it's pretty small. Auldnoir, the main one, is great too; it's big, it's where Kat's home is, and it looks like a fantasy version of the best towns in Europe, but it has less personality than Pleajeune. I like the music in Endestria, but it's my least favorite besides that because it's small and not particularly striking visually. I haven't spent that much time in the last district yet, it's big but there's nothing too special about it it seems.
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Indefinitely the 3DS box, the design is far more simple, the color is better and it just looks FAR more chic and elegant and even more expensive. I believe the sizing is also better.
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the funny thing is, the 3DS box looks more sophisticated, yet the 3DS actually has a more "TOY" like appearance, and doesnt seem sophisticated.

The Vita box makes it look more like a TOY, yet the system is a more sophisticated piece of tech than the 3DS...

Just shows who marketing department is better at their job (Nintendo)

This has been my opinion.
Old 06-17-2012, 06:46 PM
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Yeah.

I would go with the 3DS box as well.

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the funny thing is, the 3DS box looks more sophisticated, yet the 3DS actually has a more "TOY" like appearance, and doesnt seem sophisticated.

The Vita box makes it look more like a TOY, yet the system is a more sophisticated piece of tech than the 3DS...

Just shows who marketing department is better at their job (Nintendo)

This has been my opinion.
I agree.....................
Old 06-17-2012, 06:54 PM
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There are different boxes for the 3DS depending on regions. I went to a French store the other day and was surprised to find the different boxes (compared with the North American ones). I think that one is the one they have in Europe. But in both cases, I prefer the 3DS' box anyway. I like the Vita's box too, but it doesn't catch your attention as much it seems, it looks a little generic, especially the way they don't particularly emphasize the name of the device.
Old 06-17-2012, 11:58 PM
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