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Old 06-18-2012, 08:43 PM
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The PSVita has a 5-inch OLED screen, 2 analog sticks, a bad touchpad but an AWFUL, AWFUL selection of games. The 3DS can't compare to Vitas hardware but has awesome games.
Despite the 3DS having almost a year head start on the Vita, I'm not finding the 3DS's current selection to be that much better than the Vita's. I'd say they're pretty close to each other at the moment.

I wouldn't say that the 3DS has "awesome" games either. None of the games I own (3D Land, DoA, Uprising, and Revelation) have blown me away even though I enjoyed each one.
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Despite the 3DS having almost a year head start on the Vita, I'm not finding the 3DS's current selection to be that much better than the Vita's. I'd say they're pretty close to each other at the moment.

I wouldn't say that the 3DS has "awesome" games either. None of the games I own (3D Land, DoA, Uprising, and Revelation) have blown me away even though I enjoyed each one.
It seems that the games you've mentioned have pretty much blown everyone else away. In an objective defense of this statement, take note that Metacritic places Revelations at 82 and Ocarina of Time at 94.

I can't say that current PS Vita software has impressed me from first impressions.

Burning Skies: Lazy and harmful towards the franchise with ugly graphics, glitches, and frame-rate inconsistencies.
Golden Abyss: Unnecessary simplification is inherent in touch controls and mediocre storyline.
Gravity Rush: Controls leave something to be desired.

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Old 06-19-2012, 02:23 AM
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Gravity Rush: Controls leave something to be desired.
I hate when controls get insulted. People did the same thing to Kid Icarus. What ever happened to getting use it controls and striving to master them? They turn out to be really good when you give them a chance
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So, I'm at that point in time where I need to decide whether I want a 3DS or Vita. The thing is, they both look absolutely meh right now. They have some nice titles here and there, and there are definitely games coming to both that I REALLY want, but I don't think there is enough evidence to really choose, because both systems are very mediocre/decent at best.

So I'm kinda of neutral on which system is better, making it hard to decide which one to buy and if I even WANT one.
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I hate when controls get insulted. People did the same thing to Kid Icarus. What ever happened to getting use it controls and striving to master them? They turn out to be really good when you give them a chance
I've got to admit that I don't own a PS Vita. The above complaints are simply a repeating theme from reviews, fair and simple. I've also tried to pass personal judgement by looking at various gameplay videos and impressions on YouTube.

In regards to complaints about controls, you must appreciate that people can't always adapt easily. That's why a solid and concrete control scheme is always necessary. Consider that Kid Icarus: Uprising came with a stand - a result of forethought and consideration by Nintendo.

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So, I'm at that point in time where I need to decide whether I want a 3DS or Vita. The thing is, they both look absolutely meh right now. They have some nice titles here and there, and there are definitely games coming to both that I REALLY want, but I don't think there is enough evidence to really choose, because both systems are very mediocre/decent at best.

So I'm kinda of neutral on which system is better, making it hard to decide which one to buy and if I even WANT one.
Wait until Christmas. You've got your winner - big releases will come this holiday season.

Personally, I'm more Nintendo-centric, so I would choose a 3DS (which I have) over the PS Vita. Games such as Resident Evil: Revelations, Kid Icarus: Uprising, and Ocarina of Time 3DS are magnitudes better then "meh." You might want to look into Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion - titles that are launching this holiday season.

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Kid Icarus and Revelations are better than anything on vita. I just ordered gravity rush, so I will withhold judgement, but my 3ds has received much more play time because of the great games, downloadable and retail.
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It seems that the games you've mentioned have pretty much blown everyone else away. In an objective defense of this statement, take note that Metacritic places Revelations at 82 and Ocarina of Time at 94.
Review scores? Reviewers are idiots.

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I can't say that current PS Vita software has impressed me from first impressions.

Golden Abyss: Unnecessary simplification is inherent in touch controls and mediocre storyline.
Gravity Rush: Controls leave something to be desired.
Hey, case and point. And you don't have first impressions. You're using second hand info and trying to spin that in some useful way. But just to address these two: storylines in Uncharted games have always been mediocre. The story telling, though, was weaker in GA. The touch controls were tacked on, forced, and completely unnecessary. But it's a better adventure game than the console entries.

And there's nothing wrong with the controls in or the combat Gravity Rush.

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So, I'm at that point in time where I need to decide whether I want a 3DS or Vita. The thing is, they both look absolutely meh right now. They have some nice titles here and there, and there are definitely games coming to both that I REALLY want, but I don't think there is enough evidence to really choose, because both systems are very mediocre/decent at best.

So I'm kinda of neutral on which system is better, making it hard to decide which one to buy and if I even WANT one.
Yeah, neither are impressive at the moment. I'd say to get both, eventually, because they're not alike whatsoever.

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Kid Icarus and Revelations are better than anything on vita.
Even without Gravity Rush, I'd still disagree. I find Wipeout a lot more thrilling than either of those games. Nothing I've played on the 3DS gives me a feeling that tops racing on Sol.
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Review scores? Reviewers are idiots.



Hey, case and point. And you don't have first impressions. You're using second hand info and trying to spin that in some useful way. But just to address these two: storylines in Uncharted games have always been mediocre. The story telling, though, was weaker in GA. The touch controls were tacked on, forced, and completely unnecessary. But it's a better adventure game than the console entries.

And there's nothing wrong with the controls in or the combat Gravity Rush.



Yeah, neither are impressive at the moment. I'd say to get both, eventually, because they're not alike whatsoever.



Even without Gravity Rush, I'd still disagree. I find Wipeout a lot more thrilling than either of those games. Nothing I've played on the 3DS gives me a feeling that tops racing on Sol.
Firstly, although the comment about reviewers might be true in select cases, not all reviewers are idiots. When many people have the same opinion, it tends to ring true. Broad generalizations like the one you've made are baseless and inadequate for argument. This claim takes away credibility from what you state.

Secondly, I assert that personal judgement based on YouTube videos count as first impressions. In addition to these judgements, I'm taking a common themes inherent in many reviews and presenting it to the masses. Also, please present a valid argument to why the controls of Gravity Rush are adequate. Without such a presentation, personal conjecture is quite useless.

Lastly, do take note that the OP (Fetus) asked for either a 3DS or a PS Vita. While your recommendation to get both is praiseworthy, your interpretation of Fetus' question is wrong. Therefore, your approach in answering should be revised.

I apologize in advance for not knowing how to quote select statements.

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Old 06-19-2012, 03:30 AM
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My main problem with Vita is the screen. After using the 3ds, I find the oso sexy OLED screen, not so sexy. I think the 3d effect on the 3ds makes the graphics on 3ds look more hd, and more exciting to look at. Wipeout, uncharted, and even gravity rush look great, but I can't help but wish they were in 3d. Imagine how much more expansive the worlds would look, and how much they would spring to life. As a writer, I am always looking for ways to immerse the reader, not only in the story, but in the world itself. That is why I think 3d is so fascinating, it can truly make you feel surrounded in what you are playing. It makes the screen feel open instead of closed off.

I am not a graphics *****, however after playing games in 3d, I would prefer not to go back to 2d

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Old 06-19-2012, 03:41 AM
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Firstly, although the comment about reviewers might be true, not all reviewers are idiots. When many people have the same opinion, it tends to ring true. Broad generalizations, like the one you've made are baseless and inadequate for argument.
Most are. "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." I'll stick to my broad generalizations since history hasn't shown me a reason to think otherwise.

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Secondly, I pose that personal judgement based on YouTube videos count as first impressions. I'm taking a common themes inherent in many reviews and presenting it to the masses. Also, please present a valid argument to why the controls of Gravity Rush are adequate. Without such a presentation, personal opinions are useless.
A game can look fun to play but you wouldn't know if it is until you play it. The controls in GR are adequate because they simply are. Ground controls are tight. Gravity Sliding is simple if you mess around with the sensitivity and take some time to practice. Aiming with the stick and with the gyroscope are spot-on.

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Lastly, do take note that the OP (Fetus) asked for either a 3DS or a PS Vita. While your recommendation to get both is praise-worthy, your interpretation of the Fetus' question is wrong. Therefore, your approach in answering should be revised.
"and if I even WANT one."

It doesn't sound like he's sold on getting one of the two anyways. But my approach is just fine. I'm picking the third option. Or possibly forth if you want to place "neither" ahead of "both".
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Most are. "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." I'll stick to my broad generalizations since history hasn't shown me a reason to think otherwise.



A game can look fun to play but you wouldn't know if it is until you play it. The controls in GR are adequate because they simply are. Ground controls are tight. Gravity Sliding is simple if you mess around with the sensitivity and take some time to practice. Aiming with the stick and with the gyroscope are spot-on.



"and if I even WANT one."

It doesn't sound like he's sold on getting one of the two anyways. But my approach is just fine. I'm picking the third option. Or possibly forth if you want to place "neither" ahead of "both".
Firstly, you still haven't stated why most reviewers are idiots. Going against the majority and sticking to broad generalizations is not solid argument. We need solid facts, not personal speculation. In lieu, a quoted statement should always be followed by a source, even if it is personal or anonymous.

Secondly, first impressions don't have to involve interaction with an object. I may choose to look at a book and not read it due to the graphic on the front cover. However, I do thank you for informing us on the specifics of Gravity Rush's control scheme and can now appreciate your viewpoint.

Lastly, I still struggle to see the method to your approach. If the OP (Fetus) does not want either, "both" could never be an option. There is no condition in his statement that allows for both consoles to be bought. He wants one, not two - implied by the either segment preceding the quote.

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Old 06-19-2012, 04:04 AM
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Firstly, you still haven't stated why most reviewers are idiots. Going against the majority and sticking to broad generalizations is not a solid argument. We need solid facts, not personal speculation.
Gravity Rush is a wonderful and recent example. Many reviewers complained about the combat.

The verge:

"The fishy enemies are interesting enough to look at, but destroying them, one kick at a time, is one of Gravity Rush's blinking red spots. Combat is what Kat does between falling up and down and everywhere through a brilliant colorful world of incongruous architecture. It's all a bit dull."

Destructoid:

"Most of the enemies move too swiftly and jerk around a lot, meaning they're often gone before Kat can reach them. Even if they remain in place, there's often a good chance that the punt will still miss, as Kat harmlessly glides off the opponent's body and kicks the great yonder behind it."

IGN:

"However, sometimes the enemy will move or shift ever so slightly, and she'll sail by without making contact."

The thing about combat in GR is, it's all about patterns and strategies. Nothing daunting but you can't just attack mindlessly. The reason why those swordfish Nevi are dodging is because you're not supposed to attack them right away. At all. You're supposed to lure them to where you're near a surface, let them attack, then dodge. They'll get stuck in the surface and their cores are easily reached.

The fact that no review I've read even mentions something like this says a lot about the people reviewing our games.

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Secondly, first impressions don't have to involve interaction with an object. I may choose to look at a book and not read it due to the graphic on the front cover. However, I do thank you for informing us on the specifics of Gravity Rush's control scheme and can now appreciate your viewpoint.
But interaction is what video games are all about.

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Lastly, I still struggle to see the method to your approach. If the OP (Fetus) does not want either, "both" could never be an option. There is no condition in his statement that allows for both consoles to be bought.
Let's make it simple: if he's struggling between both, why not suggest both?
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My main problem with Vita is the screen. After using the 3ds, I find the oso sexy OLED screen, not so sexy. I think the 3d effect on the 3ds makes the graphics on 3ds look more hd, and more exciting to look at. Wipeout, uncharted, and even gravity rush look great, but I can't help but wish they were in 3d. Imagine how much more expansive the worlds would look, and how much they would spring to life. As a writer, I am always looking for ways to immerse the reader, not only in the story, but in the world itself. That is why I think 3d is so fascinating, it can truly make you feel surrounded in what you are playing. It makes the screen feel open instead of closed off.

I am not a graphics *****, however after playing games in 3d, I would prefer not to go back to 2d
I do really like the 3D of the 3DS, I think it's not just a gimmick, but I just have to play with 3D now whenever I'm playing my 3DS because the Vita screen is much more vibrant and colourful than the 3DS', so the 3DS' graphics look very dull without 3D.

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Even without Gravity Rush, I'd still disagree. I find Wipeout a lot more thrilling than either of those games. Nothing I've played on the 3DS gives me a feeling that tops racing on Sol.
I would say that I find the 3DS better if you wouldn't count Gravity Rush. Most good games are ports (UMvC3, BlazBlue, MGS HD). The only good original Vita games would have to be WipEout and Gravity Rush (and for some Uncharted, though I don't like it much and find it to be overrated). The 3DS has Kid Icarus, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart, Resident Evil, and some good ports/remakes such as MGS 3D (yes the framerate is bad, but the 3D is brilliant and makes the game very immmersive) OoT 3D and SSF4 3D.

And indeed, racing on Sol is ****ing epic. Best track I've played in a racing game.
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I think the 3d effect on the 3ds makes the graphics on 3ds look more hd
Looks more of the same, IMO.
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I dunno. It didn't seem to make much of a splash in Japan. It seems to be a game with high production values, being in development since '08 and all. I'd be surprised if they turned a profit.

Oh, and c'mon folks, if you call the 3D anything but a gimmick you're fooling yourself. It's a gimmick by definition(well, gimmick is always used incorrectly on internet forums, but whatever). No game is mechanically improved by the 3D effect.
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I dunno. It didn't seem to make much of a splash in Japan. It seems to be a game with high production values, being in development since '08 and all. I'd be surprised if they turned a profit.

Oh, and c'mon folks, if you call the 3D anything but a gimmick you're fooling yourself. It's a gimmick by definition(well, gimmick is always used incorrectly on internet forums, but whatever). No game is mechanically improved by the 3D effect.
that awkward moment when someone hasen't played sml without 3D and calls it a gimmick.

if 3D is a gimmick, then so is hd. Both make games look better. I hate how the word "gimmick" is wildly thrown around by people that think using that word makes them sound like they know what they are talking about.

The only thing gimmicky about the 3ds' 3d, is using the feature to attract potiential buyers.
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that awkward moment when someone hasen't played sml without 3D and calls it a gimmick.

if 3D is a gimmick, then so is hd. Both make games look better. I hate how the word "gimmick" is wildly thrown around by people that think using that word makes them sound like they know what they are talking about.

The only thing gimmicky about the 3ds' 3d, is using the feature to attract potiential buyers.
HD is a gimmick, in my opinion at least. It just makes games look prettier, and more pleasant to look at. 3D doesn't do anything to improve gameplay, or to make things look prettier. It may make things look neat when used correctly though.
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HD is a gimmick, in my opinion at least. It just makes games look prettier, and more pleasant to look at. 3D doesn't do anything to improve gameplay, or to make things look prettier. It may make things look neat when used correctly though.
I thought the word gimmick in this context had a negative connotation? If HD is a gimmick to you, then, uh, okay, 3D is a gimmick too. But HD (as glasses-free 3D) is great. HD in particular is so great, there are films like the one in my avatar that I refuse to watch in conditions other than HD or as close as possible to HD, like I wouldn't want to watch them on DVD. It's the correct way to experience the level of detail and hard work of filmmakers and developers. You're not experiencing the same film without it, I truly mean that. 3D adds another plane or two with which developers can work and is also an effective immersion tool (the best example of that in my opinion is in racing games).

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Let's not start this "Gimmick" argument again, please?
Both HD AND 3D are gimmicks. Is that bad? Can be. But in the 3ds's case and the Vita's case, I wouldn't consider them gimmicks.
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Both HD AND 3D are gimmicks. Is that bad? Can be. But in the 3ds's case and the Vita's case, I wouldn't consider them gimmicks.
But HD is certainly not a gimmick in any way, shape or form.

Gimmick: An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget.
Contrived: Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored.

HD is the most natural way of experiencing movies and games visually we have yet. It's just higher definition, meaning closer to perfect quality.

I'm not gonna start the 3D gimmick debate again, especially since there seems to be a lot of difference between different kinds of 3D and ways to make it work, but HD is never going to be a gimmick in any situation.
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But HD is certainly not a gimmick in any way, shape or form.

Gimmick: An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget.
Contrived: Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored.

HD is the most natural way of experiencing movies and games visually we have yet. It's just higher definition, meaning closer to perfect quality.

I'm not gonna start the 3D gimmick debate again, especially since there seems to be a lot of difference between different kinds of 3D and ways to make it work, but HD is never going to be a gimmick in any situation.
That may be true, but once you can't get any higher quality, how do you make it better? You add depth, make it deeper (both metaphorically and physically). But what happens once we perfect HD and 3D?
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That may be true, but once you can't get any higher quality, how do you make it better? You add depth, make it deeper (both metaphorically and physically). But what happens once we perfect HD and 3D?
Who cares? If we ever reach the closest to perfect we can achieve then that's fantastic, there's no point in scratching our heads to find how to make better something that's perfect.
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Who cares? If we ever reach the closest to perfect we can achieve then that's fantastic, there's no point in scratching our heads to find how to make better something that's perfect.
But will people actually be satisfied, or will they just want more? I mean, people were perfectly fine watching TV in black and white a long time ago. Then we got color. Then we improved the quality, then we added depth. I think that a lot of people back then thought that black and white would be the closest we could get to perfection, but look how far we've come. Someone will find a way to make it better, and the cycle will continue. Pefection is a lie, you can't ever reach it, yet humans won't be satisfied until they do. It won't end until the world does. If any of that makes sense...
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But will people actually be satisfied, or will they just want more? I mean, people were perfectly fine watching TV in black and white a long time ago. Then we got color. Then we improved the quality, then we added depth. I think that a lot of people back then thought that black and white would be the closest we could get to perfection, but look how far we've come. Someone will find a way to make it better, and the cycle will continue. Pefection is a lie, you can't ever reach it, yet humans won't be satisfied until they do. It won't end until the world does. If any of that makes sense...
I was satisfied with SD and DVDs until the superior technology came and I realized how superior it was. I'm satisfied with blu-rays and 1080p now, although we already know there's higher definition than that. People are satisfied, it's just that those who know technology can allow them to make things better make it and then people adopt that new technology. If we reach a point where technology can't make picture quality any better then people will probably realize that the quality is ****ing great and be happy with it. Again, I'm already very happy with blu-ray. You often don't know there's anything better until you see something better; if there's nothing better to see then we'll be satisfied.
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I was satisfied with SD and DVDs until the superior technology came and I realized how superior it was. I'm satisfied with blu-rays and 1080p now.

You often don't know there's anything better until you see something better; if there's nothing better to see then we'll be satisfied.
But do you think that people ever thought we would have devices to do math for us (calculators), do you think they new we would be able to comunicate with people that we've never met this easily? Technology won't stop progressing. And just look at how fast it's progressing. 10 years ago, people used their phones to call and sometimes, but rarely text each other. Now, 10 years later, the calling and texting features are 2 of thousands of features on our phones. And sense the iPhone has been released, look how many other smart phones have been created, and it hasn't even been 10 years since then.

My point is, it won't stop progressing, and it won't be before long until we find a new way to improve what we thought we've perfected. And once we realize how great it is, everyone will want it.
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But do you think that people ever thought we would have devices to do math for us (calculators), do you think they new we would be able to comunicate with people that we've never met this easily? Technology won't stop progressing. And just look at how fast it's progressing. 10 years ago, people used their phones to call and sometimes, but rarely text each other. Now, 10 years later, the calling and texting features are 2 of thousands of features on our phones. And sense the iPhone has been released, look how many other smart phones have been created, and it hasn't even been 10 years since then.

My point is, it won't stop progressing, and it won't be before long until we find a new way to improve what we thought we've perfected. And once we realize how great it is, everyone will want it.
I don't even know what you're responding to. All I was saying is HD is not a gimmick, and then you asked "what happens after we've perfected HD?," which isn't even something I was talking about, and I answered if we ever do perfect it, then so what?

So I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you debating with yourself?
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What's with the gimmick discussion?
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But HD is certainly not a gimmick in any way, shape or form.

Gimmick: An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance; a gadget.
Contrived: Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored.

HD is the most natural way of experiencing movies and games visually we have yet. It's just higher definition, meaning closer to perfect quality.

I'm not gonna start the 3D gimmick debate again, especially since there seems to be a lot of difference between different kinds of 3D and ways to make it work, but HD is never going to be a gimmick in any situation.
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Gravity Rush is a wonderful and recent example. Many reviewers complained about the combat.

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"The fishy enemies are interesting enough to look at, but destroying them, one kick at a time, is one of Gravity Rush's blinking red spots. Combat is what Kat does between falling up and down and everywhere through a brilliant colorful world of incongruous architecture. It's all a bit dull."

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"Most of the enemies move too swiftly and jerk around a lot, meaning they're often gone before Kat can reach them. Even if they remain in place, there's often a good chance that the punt will still miss, as Kat harmlessly glides off the opponent's body and kicks the great yonder behind it."

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"However, sometimes the enemy will move or shift ever so slightly, and she'll sail by without making contact."

The thing about combat in GR is, it's all about patterns and strategies. Nothing daunting but you can't just attack mindlessly. The reason why those swordfish Nevi are dodging is because you're not supposed to attack them right away. At all. You're supposed to lure them to where you're near a surface, let them attack, then dodge. They'll get stuck in the surface and their cores are easily reached.

The fact that no review I've read even mentions something like this says a lot about the people reviewing our games.



But interaction is what video games are all about.



Let's make it simple: if he's struggling between both, why not suggest both?
Firstly, please don't assume the reviews you read are more valid than reviews published by popular sources. The fact that you haven't come across this widely published complaint may tell us more about what you personally deem valid review material. As you clearly mentioned in your first reply, one can easily "spin" sources to illustrate a desired point.

Secondly, interaction with video games is all well and good. However, there's immediate and lasting impressions that one gets from watching visual material. One observes graphical style, presence of glitches, and overall "feel" and projected level of enjoyment.

Thirdly, the OP (Fetus) might be struggling between both consoles for a very valid reason. You must consider that most people can't blow $500+ for leisure entertainment. You must also consider that some people wish for a clear, direct, and valid answer. The fact remains - you should appreciate to read and answer questions with more consideration and forethought. I'll be the better man and let this drop - it is worthless arguing over such a matter.

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Yeah, it's not a gimmick. If you're using the definition that it is an innovation designed to attract attention or increase appeal, then okay sure, but I don't think that's the one you were using because your original post gave a negative connotation to gimmicks that is totally absent from that definition. The definition of a gimmick I'm using, people are usually using and the one I think you were using too in your original post is that a gimmick is not only an innovation designed to attract attention or increase appeal but is also one that's contrived. There's nothing contrived about HD. The Metal Gear Solid games look closer to what they were originally intended to look like because of the higher definition, just like older movies remastered in HD and re-released on blu-ray are not contrived; it's the best, most advanced and most natural way to see those films and play those games, period. Is it worth paying for the games or the movies again? Well maybe, maybe not. If it's to see Big Momma's House again in HD I think I'll pass; if it's to see something like 2001, A Space Odyssey in HD then I'm definitely interested and would gladly pay again for the upgrade.

So yeah, bottom line is I personally thought the definition of gimmicks we were all using has that negative connotation. That's how I read your original post and to that I say HD is definitely not a gimmick.

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When 1080p was first made available to the general public, it was hailed as a superb technological advancement. I don't understand the reasoning behind the current argument.

Could anyone honestly call high-definition games on current generation consoles gimmicky?

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OH man, another debate, like Religion, that no one will agree on

Everytime anyone thinks of the word "gimmick" they always think negatively. I think 3D is definitely a gimmick, and that SOME ways that people do 3D paint 3D in a negative light, and other ways are positive...

IMO, HD WAS a Gimmick, until HD became the norm, and now its just "normal." Now though, when stuff is remade just in HD, then it is used as a gimmick, that can be good or bad. ICO collection- GREAT use of the HD gimmick!!! Made the game much more playable IMO.

So, to make this on topic... PSV being "HD" isnt even technically true in the traditional sense, but its definitely a lot more HD than the 3DS, I guess could be considered a gimmick, but the PS brand of handhelds always had a much higher resolution than the Nintendo brand... so the touchscreens are really the "gimmicks" on the Vita... The 3D of the 3DS is definitely the "gimmick" on that handheld, especially since you dont even have to use it, in order to play the games. Thats about the most gimmicky attribute you can have. Something that is not even needed.
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Stop the gimmick discussion- it's so old.
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PS Vita sales are up 150% in Japan due to the release of Persona 4: The Golden.

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It should be taken into consideration that the 3DS was released over a year ago and that the PSV is brand spankin' new.
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And still just a second place in a two party race.

It should be taken into consideration that the 3DS was released over a year ago and that the PSV is brand spankin' new.
The sales will drop to 8k again until Project Diva F gets released in Japan.
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Yeah, it's not a gimmick. If you're using the definition that it is an innovation designed to attract attention or increase appeal, then okay sure, but I don't think that's the one you were using because your original post gave a negative connotation to gimmicks that is totally absent from that definition. The definition of a gimmick I'm using, people are usually using and the one I think you were using too in your original post is that a gimmick is not only an innovation designed to attract attention or increase appeal but is also one that's contrived. There's nothing contrived about HD. The Metal Gear Solid games look closer to what they were originally intended to look like because of the higher definition, just like older movies remastered in HD and re-released on blu-ray are not contrived; it's the best, most advanced and most natural way to see those films and play those games, period. Is it worth paying for the games or the movies again? Well maybe, maybe not. If it's to see Big Momma's House again in HD I think I'll pass; if it's to see something like 2001, A Space Odyssey in HD then I'm definitely interested and would gladly pay again for the upgrade.

So yeah, bottom line is I personally thought the definition of gimmicks we were all using has that negative connotation. That's how I read your original post and to that I say HD is definitely not a gimmick.
What are you talking about? I said that while it CAN be gimmicky. All your arguments can be applied toward 3D. Fact remains, they BOTH can be gimmicky.

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Let's not start this "Gimmick" argument again, please?
Both HD AND 3D are gimmicks. Is that bad? Can be. But in the 3ds's case and the Vita's case, I wouldn't consider them gimmicks.
How is that negative? Oh, I see. Let me clear this up. When I mean "gimmick" I mean something that is just made so it can increase the appeal to people but with no real purpose. HD can be a gimmick. You can apply it to something like, MGS, to make people buy it, but then you could also use it to make beautifull scenery. 3D can be a gimmick as well. You can slap it on a game, like, let's say Call of duty, but then you can also use it to enhance gameplay(Super Mario Land 3D). Do you see what I am saying?

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What are you talking about? I said that while it CAN be gimmicky. All your arguments can be applied toward 3D. Fact remains, they BOTH can be gimmicky.

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How is that negative? Oh, I see. Let me clear this up. When I mean "gimmick" I mean something that is just made so it can increase the appeal to people but with no real purpose. HD can be a gimmick. You can apply it to something like, MGS, to make people buy it, but then you could also use it to make beautifull scenery. 3D can be a gimmick as well. You can slap it on a game, like, let's say Call of duty, but then you can also use it to enhance gameplay(Super Mario Land 3D). Do you see what I am saying?
Let's respect the mod's wishes and drop this topic.

To my understanding, it's the general consensus that HD is not a gimmick - it is a well accepted mainstay of gaming.
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this has been the most activity we have seen in this thread in awhile... so if this topic goes away, probably so does the activity in this thread

I guess thats a good thing.
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It's not even a good topic though because it's been stated over and over and over again for a long time. And it always ends up going in circles no matter what.
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Gimmick is something that isn't well accepted or stays a novelty rather then a new standard.

3D and Motion control fit those bills.

Resolution and touch screens doesn't.

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It's not even a good topic though because it's been stated over and over and over again for a long time. And it always ends up going in circles no matter what.
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that awkward moment when someone hasen't played sml without 3D and calls it a gimmick.

if 3D is a gimmick, then so is hd. Both make games look better. I hate how the word "gimmick" is wildly thrown around by people that think using that word makes them sound like they know what they are talking about.

The only thing gimmicky about the 3ds' 3d, is using the feature to attract potiential buyers.
That awkward moment when someone assumes **** they don't know about. Yeah for the puzzles it was fine, but it didn't help much beyond that. HD? Meh, I personally think HD is way too overrated. But fine, whatevs~

Yeah, Vita increased by a ton. Not sustainable, but any bump is a good bump.
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this has been the most activity we have seen in this thread in awhile... so if this topic goes away, probably so does the activity in this thread

I guess thats a good thing.
These generic 3D vs. HD gimmick arguments get awfully boring after awhile.

Who cares if they're gimmicks or not?

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I heard that the sound quality of the 3DS's speakers are superior to the Vita's.
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I heard that the sound quality of the 3DS's speakers are superior to the Vita's.
Is that any true?
I think so. One of the first things I noticed when I played on my new Vita back then is that its speakers have lower sound quality than my 3DS ones.

However, IIRC, I think the Vita itself has better sound when it comes to using headphones, at least when it comes to MP3 playback*. I might try again, but also with games.

*I tried with 320 kbps MP3 files, encoded by myself, using LAME 3.98.4 64-bit, from purchased WAVs.

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Now that one of my biggest gripes about the 3DS is being fixed, I am a happy man ( screen size ). I will finally go back and finish RE:R and not feel like I have to squint my eyes just to see anything.
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Yeah, listening to the Vita through the speakers really doesn't do it justice. Make sure to always play with headphones.
Thats really true with any portable
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And only the Vita one became true.
Came true after it being on the market only a fraction of the time as the 3DS? Yeah, nice logic there, Jimbo.
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Came true after it being on the market only a fraction of the time as the 3DS? Yeah, nice logic there, Jimbo.
Weren't you the one talking about sarcasm recently? Wasn't my comment an obvious enough joke?

That said, the Vita's success or lack of success doesn't depend on it being on the market only a fraction of the time as the 3DS. To get a sense of a system's success, you compare how much it sells during the time it has been on the market with how much past and present systems have sold during the same amount of time. The Vita is struggling because we know it's not comparing well. It's not doomed, that was the joke, but being on the market only a fraction of the time has nothing to do with that as you can still compare their sales during the same amount of weeks after launch. That's how people know how a system is doing, no failure in logic in that.
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Weren't you the one talking about sarcasm recently? Wasn't my comment an obvious enough joke?

That said, the Vita's success or lack of success doesn't depend on it being on the market only a fraction of the time as the 3DS. To get a sense of a system's success, you compare how much it sells during the time it has been on the market with how much past and present systems have sold during the same amount of time. The Vita is struggling because we know it's not comparing well. It's not doomed, that was the joke, but being on the market only a fraction of the time has nothing to do with that as you can still compare their sales during the same amount of weeks after launch. That's how people know how a system is doing, no failure in logic in that.
I literally said that I was making silly statements in my sarcastic posts, and yet people still attacked me for making them. You didn't ever spell it out clearly, also I've only ever seen statements like that made in seriousness in the past, always from obsessive Nintendo fanboys who don't like companies having competition.

I absolutely agree that its sales at the moment are really disappointing, it has so many great games on it at the moment and its hardware really doesn't have any flaws I can think of but it's selling at a really bad rate at the moment. I don't understand how Sony's marketing can have such little reach, they really need to focus more on the Vita at events like E3 if they want gamers to take their handheld seriously. Do you understand how depressing it is that they released the perfect handheld and then threw it out on to the market to fend for itself, without much support? xD

My biggest problem with the Vita is that Sony's "second-party" handheld game developers kinda suck. They don't throw Naughty Dog or Sucker Punch at the Vita and make something truly PS3-quality, Nintendo on the other hand sics their own major game development studios on the 3DS. Nintendo releases a flawed handheld, throws it out on the market with awesome promotions and advertisement support and they have their main developers work on 3DS games and they see massive success, quite the opposite of the Vita. :/

Either way, I definitely think the Vita is going to last much longer on the market than the 3DS, meaning Nintendo will replace their 3DS earlier than Sony will replace the Vita. The Nintendo guys are already hard at work on a sequel to the 3DS and Sony's still getting a feel for how powerful the Vita is.

Totally calling it, a 3DS successor's releasing in 2015 and a Vita successor's releasing in 2018. Totallycallingit.
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Okay I'm not new here at all and usually just sit back and watch people comment and stuff like that but lately I have been getting really annoyed and frustrated at all the hate the Vita is getting. Not so much in the general video game section but from all over the internet. I love both Nintendo and Sony a lot. I grew up with Nintendo and probably like it a little better since it was my first system ever. Pokemon really made me love Pokemon more than mario did. But enough about that. It's just I do not see how people can just bash the 3DS or PS Vita and say which one is better and try to start wars. I own both and love them both. They both have pros and cons. But the negativity of the Vita has just gotten to me. Its been keeping me from playing it which shouldn't happen. I should enjoy it. I almost feel like a loser if I play it thnx to my stupid insecurity issues. A lot of reasons I hear about the Vita are very biased. I remember when the 3DS was kinda tanking and I admit I was like I'm gonna sell it but now its one of the best handhelds I have ever played with and the best lineup of games for a handheld I have ever seen. But I think by fall the Vita will pick up momentum. Maybe surprise us (maybe) I know they still had faults but I find it annoying and childish to just spout negativity everywhere and when people like me "complain" I'm butt hurt (really childish terminology) or a fanboy. I mean these are toys for crying out loud and people take them more seriously than they should and I love electronics to death. Idk all this negativity kinda turns me off from being a gamer. Same for console wars and stuff. Its just dumb.
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Okay I'm not new here at all and usually just sit back and watch people comment and stuff like that but lately I have been getting really annoyed and frustrated at all the hate the Vita is getting. Not so much in the general video game section but from all over the internet.


I love both Nintendo and Sony a lot. I grew up with Nintendo and probably like it a little better since it was my first system ever. Pokemon really made me love Pokemon more than mario did. But enough about that. It's just I do not see how people can just bash the 3DS or PS Vita and say which one is better and try to start wars.



I own both and love them both. They both have pros and cons. But the negativity of the Vita has just gotten to me. Its been keeping me from playing it which shouldn't happen. I should enjoy it. I almost feel like a loser if I play it thnx to my stupid insecurity issues.



A lot of reasons I hear about the Vita are very biased. I remember when the 3DS was kinda tanking and I admit I was like I'm gonna sell it but now its one of the best handhelds I have ever played with and the best lineup of games for a handheld I have ever seen. But I think by fall the Vita will pick up momentum.



Maybe surprise us (maybe) I know they still had faults but I find it annoying and childish to just spout negativity everywhere and when people like me "complain" I'm butt hurt (really childish terminology) or a fanboy.


I mean these are toys for crying out loud and people take them more seriously than they should and I love electronics to death. Idk all this negativity kinda turns me off from being a gamer. Same for console wars and stuff. Its just dumb.
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Ah, much better

Well, I dont see it changing, but getting worse as time goes by... So either man up and dont let it bother you, or "quit" being a gamer...
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Okay I'm not new here at all and usually just sit back and watch people comment and stuff like that but lately I have been getting really annoyed and frustrated at all the hate the Vita is getting. Not so much in the general video game section but from all over the internet. I love both Nintendo and Sony a lot. I grew up with Nintendo and probably like it a little better since it was my first system ever. Pokemon really made me love Pokemon more than mario did. But enough about that. It's just I do not see how people can just bash the 3DS or PS Vita and say which one is better and try to start wars. I own both and love them both. They both have pros and cons. But the negativity of the Vita has just gotten to me. Its been keeping me from playing it which shouldn't happen. I should enjoy it. I almost feel like a loser if I play it thnx to my stupid insecurity issues. A lot of reasons I hear about the Vita are very biased. I remember when the 3DS was kinda tanking and I admit I was like I'm gonna sell it but now its one of the best handhelds I have ever played with and the best lineup of games for a handheld I have ever seen. But I think by fall the Vita will pick up momentum. Maybe surprise us (maybe) I know they still had faults but I find it annoying and childish to just spout negativity everywhere and when people like me "complain" I'm butt hurt (really childish terminology) or a fanboy. I mean these are toys for crying out loud and people take them more seriously than they should and I love electronics to death. Idk all this negativity kinda turns me off from being a gamer. Same for console wars and stuff. Its just dumb.
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The 3ds had at least the same if not more negativity at its lowest point too, so it's to be expected until vita sales pick up. If you can' even handle it getting criticized, you can't be a gamer.
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Okay I'm not new here at all and usually just sit back and watch people comment and stuff like that but lately I have been getting really annoyed and frustrated at all the hate the Vita is getting. Not so much in the general video game section but from all over the internet. I love both Nintendo and Sony a lot. I grew up with Nintendo and probably like it a little better since it was my first system ever. Pokemon really made me love Pokemon more than mario did. But enough about that. It's just I do not see how people can just bash the 3DS or PS Vita and say which one is better and try to start wars. I own both and love them both. They both have pros and cons. But the negativity of the Vita has just gotten to me. Its been keeping me from playing it which shouldn't happen. I should enjoy it. I almost feel like a loser if I play it thnx to my stupid insecurity issues. A lot of reasons I hear about the Vita are very biased. I remember when the 3DS was kinda tanking and I admit I was like I'm gonna sell it but now its one of the best handhelds I have ever played with and the best lineup of games for a handheld I have ever seen. But I think by fall the Vita will pick up momentum. Maybe surprise us (maybe) I know they still had faults but I find it annoying and childish to just spout negativity everywhere and when people like me "complain" I'm butt hurt (really childish terminology) or a fanboy. I mean these are toys for crying out loud and people take them more seriously than they should and I love electronics to death. Idk all this negativity kinda turns me off from being a gamer. Same for console wars and stuff. Its just dumb.
Rant over....
I'm surprised you felt the need to post this here. I know this is the 3DS Vs Vita thread, but I find there really isn't that much negativity towards the Vita on this site. Ironically I see a lot more on the Vita forum I use. As you say though some of the negativity is genuine criticism, for both handhelds as they both have their faults, it's just at this point in time the Vita, being the newer handheld, has sold less, has less games out and I suspect less games announced. These are all sticks that some will use to beat down on any console/manufacturer they dislike.

If you have both handhelds, and you enjoy games for both, just get on with it, don't let others ruin it for you. If you've got a complaint about either, bring it up, if others call you a fanboy, ignore them, you're the one with both handhelds.


Unfortunately console wars are here to stay, having said that though I do find a lot of it quite entertaining.
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I'm surprised you felt the need to post this here. I know this is the 3DS Vs Vita thread, but I find there really isn't that much negativity towards the Vita on this site. Ironically I see a lot more on the Vita forum I use. As you say though some of the negativity is genuine criticism, for both handhelds as they both have their faults, it's just at this point in time the Vita, being the newer handheld, has sold less, has less games out and I suspect less games announced. These are all sticks that some will use to beat down on any console/manufacturer they dislike.
I was curious to see the posts that you were referring to so I logged in for the first time in months and UGHUGHUGH.
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Well I never said it was as bad on this forum. I've been a gamer since 1999 and I really never payed attention to what console everyone had.

The only thing I had was a gameboy and Nintendo Gameboy. I was always behind the times but recently I started getting up to date on the video games and stuff and started to read forums and that stuff and its overwhelming at first. I just really want the Vita to do well too.

And I want good support on the thing and it seems like its in tough times. Its true that it doesn't have the best lineup of games but the negativity still gets to me. I think I have every right to be a gamer thank you very much! I should probably stay off forums but I will always be a gamer.

I've never been called a fanboy or anything just see it tossed around on forums. I just don't like negativity is all. I'm done posting here.
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Well I never said it was as bad on this forum. I've been a gamer since 1999 and I really never payed attention to what console everyone had.

The only thing I had was a gameboy and Nintendo Gameboy. I was always behind the times but recently I started getting up to date on the video games and stuff and started to read forums and that stuff and its overwhelming at first. I just really want the Vita to do well too.

And I want good support on the thing and it seems like its in tough times. Its true that it doesn't have the best lineup of games but the negativity still gets to me. I think I have every right to be a gamer thank you very much! I should probably stay off forums but I will always be a gamer.

I've never been called a fanboy or anything just see it tossed around on forums. I just don't like negativity is all. I'm done posting here.
Yea, you do have the right to be a gamer, but people can't help it if negativity toward a system makes you not want to play it for some reason. When the 3ds was being "officially" announced as dead on every forum including here at this point last year, I still played mine as much as always.
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I'm not blaming them for me not playing my video games. i even admitted it was my sense of insecurity but I saw all the 3DS hate as well it was brutal but I honestly think the PS Vita hate is worse. There are valid reasons for some of the disappointments but the thing that really bugs me is whenever I go on anything PS Vita whether to read on some upcoming games, see a trailer, or watch any video on the thing there seems to be so much negativity. it shouldn't get to me but it does.
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Well I never said it was as bad on this forum. I've been a gamer since 1999 and I really never payed attention to what console everyone had.

The only thing I had was a gameboy and Nintendo Gameboy. I was always behind the times but recently I started getting up to date on the video games and stuff and started to read forums and that stuff and its overwhelming at first. I just really want the Vita to do well too.

And I want good support on the thing and it seems like its in tough times. Its true that it doesn't have the best lineup of games but the negativity still gets to me. I think I have every right to be a gamer thank you very much! I should probably stay off forums but I will always be a gamer.

I've never been called a fanboy or anything just see it tossed around on forums. I just don't like negativity is all. I'm done posting here.
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I think the Vita has a very good line-up right now. I own 5 Vita games and I own 5 3DS games, and soon I will own 6 vita games. The Vita has more OS features. My favourite games (OoT 3D and Resident Evil) are on the 3DS though.

I see a lot more 3DS hate than Vita hate (unless you visit a certain 3DS oriented blog with mindless fanboys commenting) but yah.
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Actually I see less fanboyism on this blog. I think you people are really cool. I'm really excited for Soul Sacrifice Kingdom hearts 3D Persona 4, Paper Mario, New Super Mario Borthers 2, Battle Royale All-Stars, LittlebigPlanet, And a lot of other great titles for the 3DS. I really do like the Vita games I have though as well and they should keep me busy for a while so I'm personally ok with the limit of games right now but I do hope they come out with more great titles!
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nintendo always innovates and brings low prices to handhelds (with the exception of the 3DS at launch and they learned the hard way with that one) and hopefully with there next one they can hit it out the park with a better system technology advanced then the vita or whatever comes out then....and no i am not a fanboy i just don't see sony around in the handheld business after this ......they might stick to consoles only we will see but they need to rearrange there priorities cuz it seems vita isn't it
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I never called you a fanboy :/
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I heard the 3D feature of the 3DS brainwashes you with light beams and program you to love the 3DS.

Some friend of a friend of a friend of mine which had heard it from some dude called iwata or something.

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I heard the 3D feature of the 3DS brainwashes you with light beams and program you to love the 3DS.

Some friend of a friend of a friend of mine which had heard it from some dude called iwata or something.

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I bet because i love my 3DS too!
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I think the Vita will die off soon, everything on it is so pricey, even the memory sticks.
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I wouldn't write it off just yet
agreed it has a lot of fight left and in 2013 i think we will see surprises that we were not expecting and i am looking forward to it.
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I think the Vita will die off soon, everything on it is so pricey, even the memory sticks.
3DS was the same price when it released. I hardly think the Vita is pricey, considering what it can do. I'll say the price is just right.
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agreed it has a lot of fight left and in 2013 i think we will see surprises that we were not expecting and i am looking forward to it.
I really hope they give the 3DS still a lot of attention, but with the wii-u releasie i can see a huge drought coming.
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I really hope they give the 3DS still a lot of attention, but with the wii-u releasie i can see a huge drought coming.
i hope not even though i will own both a wii-u and a 3ds
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I don't think Nintendo will neglect the 3DS once the Wii U is released. After all, they've had coexisting handheld and home consoles in the past and neither or had been neglected as far as new games have been concerned.
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a system doesn't have to be first in order to be successful. look at ps3
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I definitely don't think the Vita will "die off" any time soon, it just got off to a rough start (much as the 3DS did).
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It will prolly be BIG next year if thiers a price drop. To me though it looks worth the 250.
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Oh, I definitely think it's worth the $250 but I'm sure there are plenty of people who can't afford that kinda price range with the current economy. There are also some people, like me, that may not be too interested in any of the games that have been released.

I could see the price being dropped a bit in another year or so, and I think Vita sales would benefit highly if it happened.
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^ to post above, its not that people cant afford it - people cant justify the purchase. As a friend stated to me, they could put the same 250+ dollars into getting a ps3 with a larger library of games and more on the way. With that same amount of cash it could get you a vita - and 3-4 games to play but....still a clouded future beyond november. Vitas problem is that people dont have anything in the distance, yes theres LGB - Assasins creed and that smash brothers clone.... which is great -... but whats in 2013???? *crickets* no body knows. Soul sacrifice.. ok thats one game.....

people arent willing to spend so much without guarantee it will pay off in value throughout the years. It was the same problem 3DS had and 3DS didnt start selling until the games and crazy titles started rolling out ( that is fact - charts show 3DS didnt really sell even after the price drop, it started to kick of in sales around November *price drop was august*). Currently 3DS offers less expense - more game variety - longer line up plan and still many 1st party exclusives rolling out. It gives people a glimpse as to what they can deff expect. Its the reason 3DS has JP on such a tight hold.
So many games in that region its insane. NA/EU gets no love... :[

Now for my question i was going to post before i saw that:

3DS and Vita.
is there an max polygon performance between the two?
i know 3DS is 30.5Mil polygons whats vitas?

Also when do you guys think nintendo will unlock 3DS's potential and
remove whatever limit they have in place? wish nintendo would open the doors already so 3DS could start getting closer to its own system gem.
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It was the same problem 3DS had and 3DS didnt start selling until the games and crazy titles started rolling out ( that is fact - charts show 3DS didnt really sell even after the price drop, it started to kick of in sales around November *price drop was august*).
... ? The 3DS did sell very well after the price drop. What you're saying is the 3DS had a boost in sales around November... gee, I wonder how that happened... Every system ever is gonna have a boost starting from November. It's called the holiday season. All companies work to get their best games to release during that time of the year because everyone is shopping for stuff. It's like finding there's some weird coincidence that two years in a row the highest-grossing movies were between May-July and November-December... It's not a secret. It's done on purpose. Of course the blockbuster titles are being released strategically.

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I definitely don't think the Vita will "die off" any time soon, it just got off to a rough start (much as the 3DS did).
I'll make an unusually bold (for me) prediction here, but I say the Vita will be fine in the West, but will be a big flop in Japan. I'll quote my post in the PS Vita thread because it says it all in my opinion:

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What I'm really concerned about is Japan. It was the PSP's biggest supporter relative to population, accounting for as many sales as North America and Europe despite being only one country made up of 127 million people. Those third-party games mean next to nothing to Japanese Vita owners.

Look at what were their biggest sellers on the PSP:
1. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (4.76m)
2. Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (4.13m)
3. Monster Hunter Freedom 2 (1.75m)
4. Monster Hunter Freedom (1.03m)
5. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (0.96m)
6. Dissidia: Final Fantasy (0.91m)
7 tie. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII & Final Fantasy Type-0 (0.80m)
8. Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep (0.75m)
9 tie. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee & Phantasy Star Portable (0.63m)
10. Phantasy Star Portable 2 (0.62m)

As you can see, there's only one first-party title in those 12 highest-selling games in Japan (Hot Shots Golf), and a Vita entry has already been released at launch.

No first-party title has crossed the one million bar in Japan.

The four highest-selling games are from the Monster Hunter IP, and no game other than Monster Hunter has crossed the one million bar (the series may or may not come to the Vita, but at least it hasn't been announced yet).

No new Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy game has been announced for the Vita. No Kingdom Hearts game has been announced for the Vita and the 3DS just got one.

That leaves the two Phantasy Star games in positions 9 and 10, with a port of Phantasy Star Online 2 coming to the Vita in 2013.

The West should be fine. Sony has tons of IPs with Western appeal, and many of them are releasing this year. We've had a decent release schedule for a system's beginning, and the holiday releases should do decently well.

It's undeniable though that Japan is lacking games to support the Vita, at the moment and on the horizon, and that's something to be worried about for Sony and I wonder how Japanese Vita owners must feel at the moment, especially considering it's been out since December 2011 over there.
If we compare that to the DS, I believe the DS had 37 games that sold over a million copies in Japan, 27 of which were first-party. And now the 3DS has Monster Hunter (and Tri-G, along with SM3DL and MK7, already sold well over a million copies there). I think Sony is walking on thin ice in Japan. I'm not an expert by any means, but I think there's very legitimate cause for worry.

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I think it's safe to say the Vita is dead in Japan now. Placing Monster Hunter Tri-G just before it's launch and promising Monster Hunter 4 in the future helped secure that. And because of the larger install base and stronger weekly sales the 3DS now gets almost all the great third party support which the increases it's sales even more, it's a perfect cycle. Soon the Vita will be as irrelevant as the 360 over there.
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Really! Wow, it hasn't even been out for a year yet and people think it's ready for the grave.
GamesCom 2012 and the Tokyo Game Show in September are on the horizon and we should get a fresh look at the latest software titles that will be landing on the new handheld in the near future.It’s fair to say that Black Ops: Declassified is the one game that is going to make everyone start playing their Vita again. DJ Max Technika Tune might be a hidden gem.
Assassin’s Creed 3 Liberation should be another game to look out for, while the likes of Final Fantasy X HD and Phantasy Star Online 2 are definite hardware sellers.I hope so anyway....
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Really! Wow, it hasn't even been out for a year yet and people think it's ready for the grave.
GamesCom 2012 and the Tokyo Game Show in September are on the horizon and we should get a fresh look at the latest software titles that will be landing on the new handheld in the near future.It’s fair to say that Black Ops: Declassified is the one game that is going to make everyone start playing their Vita again. DJ Max Technika Tune might be a hidden gem.
Assassin’s Creed 3 Liberation should be another game to look out for
, while the likes of Final Fantasy X HD and Phantasy Star Online 2 are definite hardware sellers.I hope so anyway....
That might be the case in the west. Not so much in Japan. But yeah, I think it'll do okay. Perhaps not great, but still okay. Especially now that Hatsune Miku is coming. Now THAT is the game that's going to be a system seller in Japan.

Those otakus who are still rocking their PSPs will now have a reason to buy a Vita.
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I think it's safe to say the Vita is dead in Japan now. Placing Monster Hunter Tri-G just before it's launch and promising Monster Hunter 4 in the future helped secure that. And because of the larger install base and stronger weekly sales the 3DS now gets almost all the great third party support which the increases it's sales even more, it's a perfect cycle. Soon the Vita will be as irrelevant as the 360 over there.
It's funny because the Vita has better games than the 3DS at a similar time in its lifetime.
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That might be the case in the west. Not so much in Japan. But yeah, I think it'll do okay. Perhaps not great, but still okay. Especially now that Hatsune Miku is coming. Now THAT is the game that's going to be a system seller in Japan.

Those otakus who are still rocking their PSPs will now have a reason to buy a Vita.
I think it will help it out a bit(Like Persona 4 did) but that game won't carry the system. It NEEDS a new Monster Hunter.
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It's funny because the Vita has better games than the 3DS at a similar time in its lifetime.
Those games aren't exactly hot in Japan. Thus the lackluster sales.

PSP's market in Japan were helped by Monhun (a title now released in 3DS) and multiple Visual Novels and Galges and other big games such as Crisis Core and such. Yanikun has explained it perfectly in his post.

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I think it will help it out a bit(Like Persona 4 did) but that game won't carry the system. It NEEDS a new Monster Hunter.
Can't argue with that. But with the release of Hatsune Miku, the market that has not been optimized by Sony (the Otakus Yay!) will now get a traction. The hatsune Miku Limited Edition Vita is selling like crazy. You can't even pre order them anymore.

And the type of games that makes PSP still going pretty well in Japan are Otaku games. Visual Novels, Galges and such. Even though this might not be the best example, but we can see that Vita's version of Time Traveller, a Visual Novel-esque title being released at both the 3DS and Vita is selling better than the 3DS counter part even if not by much. Otaku market is Sony's best bet. Especially since they can be really crazy in spending their money.
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Sorry for being a douche.

Also, the Vita now has 10 games with a score of 80+ on Metacritic. The 3DS has 16.
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Sorry for being a douche.

Also, the Vita now has 10 games with a score of 80+ on Metacritic. The 3DS has 16.
Another problem is that most of the Vita's great games are on home consoles and most are better on home consoles, meanwhile pretty much every awesome 3DS game is exclusive which makes it more enticing to purchase.

And exclusives that would help the Vita such as CoD Black Ops Declassified and AC3 Liberation are releasing close to BO2 and AC3 on home consoles making them seem less important to average consumers.
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3DS VS PSVITA (real graphics comparison) - YouTube

An actual legit graphic comparison. The differences are obvious, but not tremendously big. Comparing COD Black Ops Wii vs. PS3 is almost emberrassing, comparing MGS 3DS vs. Vita, it's actually not that bad. 3DS version just has blurry textures and slightly inferior lighting.

People have to realize tho: the 3DS needs to render two screens, from which one of them is 3D.

What do you guys think?
Kevin3D shared this in the PSV thread.

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I think that:
1. This should've been posted in the PSV vs 3DS thread
2. The racing games both do not use the full capabilities of each platform
3. Lego Harry Potter is a 3DS port as far as I know, so the graphics on the Vita aren't going to be significantly better
4. SF X Tekken looks a lot better than SSF4 on the 3DS
5. MGS 3D and MGS HD are both PS2 ports with slightly upscaled graphics so no major difference there either
6. Games such as WipEout and Resident Evil Revelations weren't used (despite these being the best example of what each system can do) and these show that there is a noticeable difference but that it doesn't matter as long as the 3DS game isn't taking place in a huge open world.
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And exclusives that would help the Vita such as CoD Black Ops Declassified and AC3 Liberation are releasing close to BO2 and AC3 on home consoles making them seem less important to average consumers.
Yeah that's one decision of them that I'm not too sure about either. I think we need to see how that strategy unfolds a little better, because we don't even know Declassified's release date yet so they still have time to think carefully about their strategy.

One thing I'm curious about too is their first-party strategy of only releasing ports of their 3 big holiday PS3 games (Sly Cooper 4, PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale, and Little Big Planet Karting). It's a new strategy and an interesting one. Originally I thought it wasn't very smart, but it's the Vita's first holiday season in the West anyway so might as well try something new and if it doesn't work, they can go in a different direction next year.
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Yeah that's one decision of them that I'm not too sure about either. I think we need to see how that strategy unfolds a little better, because we don't even know Declassified's release date yet so they still have time to think carefully about their strategy.

One thing I'm curious about too is their first-party strategy of only releasing ports of their 3 big holiday PS3 games (Sly Cooper 4, PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale, and Little Big Planet Karting). It's a new strategy and an interesting one. Originally I thought it wasn't very smart, but it's the Vita's first holiday season in the West anyway so might as well try something new and if it doesn't work, they can go in a different direction next year.
If think if the Vita was going to get mostly ports than Sony should have really pushed how the Vita can improve people's PS3 experience. Since they haven't done that it's now just the inferior PS3 experience of the same games.
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My problem with that vid is the part with Street Fighter X Tekken.

Because the Vita version of that game will look like these screenshots.





I think it's uglier than advertised in the videos.

And I took these screenshots from the official US website.
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If think if the Vita was going to get mostly ports than Sony should have really pushed how the Vita can improve people's PS3 experience. Since they haven't done that it's now just the inferior PS3 experience of the same games.
It's possible. I think Sony wants to gauge how people are reacting this year to see what to do the next.

But let's not forget the PSP was also an inferior PS2 experience on the go, except it really was inferior in the sense that it had a disastrous single analog nub and, from my experience, the games felt sluggish on it, where the Vita has two comfortable analog sticks, a better d-pad, a great-looking screen and enough power so that the games run just as well as on its big brother.

It's true that it's been getting a lot of ports this year, but it's because those ports were cheap and fast to make for developers to test the waters. The 3DS itself could have used a couple of Wii ports at this time last year to momentarily fill in the gaps.
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... ? The 3DS did sell very well after the price drop. What you're saying is the 3DS had a boost in sales around November... gee, I wonder how that happened... Every system ever is gonna have a boost starting from November. It's called the holiday season. All companies work to get their best games to release during that time of the year because everyone is shopping for stuff. It's like finding there's some weird coincidence that two years in a row the highest-grossing movies were between May-July and November-December... It's not a secret. It's done on purpose. Of course the blockbuster titles are being released strategically.

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I'll make an unusually bold (for me) prediction here, but I say the Vita will be fine in the West, but will be a big flop in Japan. I'll quote my post in the PS Vita thread because it says it all in my opinion:



If we compare that to the DS, I believe the DS had 37 games that sold over a million copies in Japan, 27 of which were first-party. And now the 3DS has Monster Hunter (and Tri-G, along with SM3DL and MK7, already sold well over a million copies there). I think Sony is walking on thin ice in Japan. I'm not an expert by any means, but I think there's very legitimate cause for worry.
yeah november is holiday time, but the 3DS rose to the top specifically when Mario 3D land released. Not 2 weeks before - not 4 days after, day off and remained there until today. You can say it was the holidays doing, which in some part is true, but holidays alone wont sell a system. The charts show when 3D land released sales blew up and stayed there.

now obviously vita sales will spike in holiday season, but theres no reason to believe it will remain the norm and remain going like with 3DS. And i highly doubt western games will launch vita into a success. Wasnt it said most of the PSvita purchases were by people with a PS3? not even PSP or DS...Ps3... which really showd you the demographic that willing to buy the product....wont say thats bad... but again - even more limiting.

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My problem with that vid is the part with Street Fighter X Tekken.

Because the Vita version of that game will look like these screenshots.





I think it's uglier than advertised in the videos.

And I took these screenshots from the official US website.
It's starting to look more like the mobile version than the console games. :/
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It's possible. I think Sony wants to gauge how people are reacting this year to see what to do the next.

But let's not forget the PSP was also an inferior PS2 experience on the go, except it really was inferior in the sense that it had a disastrous single analog nub and, from my experience, the games felt sluggish on it, where the Vita has two comfortable analog sticks, a better d-pad, a great-looking screen and enough power so that the games run just as well as on its big brother.

It's true that it's been getting a lot of ports this year, but it's because those ports were cheap and fast to make for developers to test the waters. The 3DS itself could have used a couple of Wii ports at this time last year to momentarily fill in the gaps.
But the PSP still had exclusives such as Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker and Portable Ops, Kingdom Hearts BBS, two exclusives God of War titles and Dissidia Final Fantasy which made it worth owning in addition to a PS2 or PS3.
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What? You mean Vita? That has been there since launch.
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I think he meant cross buy.
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I think he meant cross buy.
Yesh.

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Yesh.

Pretty big point for Vita.
Soundshapes, Foosball, Pinball Arcade...might be missing some but those are all "crossbuy".

Plus more are coming, Ratchet and Clank, Sly, Playstation All Stars...
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Soundshapes, Foosball, Pinball Arcade...might be missing some but those are all "crossbuy".

Plus more are coming, Ratchet and Clank, Sly, Playstation All Stars...
This is the kind of support the vita needs.

If sony keeps this up, I have no doubt the vita will share the same success as the psp. (and the psp WAS a success.)

I personally, ENJOY console experiences on the go. I HATE when devs talk about designing big name franchises into bite size portable chunks for play on the go. I feel the suspend mode is a very good solution to the portable design 'problem'.
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The 3DS has way better games IMOP...
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Well I do think the 3DS has better games. The only good exclusive stuff on the Vita is Wipeout 2048, Gravity Rush, and if it's your kind of games, Golden Abyss and Everybody's Golf. The 3DS has a vastly superior library when it comes to exclusives. I don't see why we should count quick and cheap PS3 ports as something other than they are. They were only made that big because they were made for the PS3 and thus the developers could afford a much higher budget and a lot more development time. Riding on the PS3 to fill in the gaps isn't going to fool me and it apparently didn't fool many of the ~70 million PS3 owners.
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Your username says it all.
Why get so defensive?. Okay they didn't really put anything enlightening, but they stated which handhelds games they prefer, in the right thread to do so. Disagree fine, but I don't see anything of substance in your posts.

And what does it matter if they're a Nintendo fan, with a themed username, saying they prefer games on a Nintendo console on a Nintendo related forum? When did that become a problem?


Pixelknot, I thought you was above that kind of stuff, you seem cool.
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Why get so defensive?. Okay they didn't really put anything enlightening, but they stated which handhelds games they prefer, in the right thread to do so. Disagree fine, but I don't see anything of substance in your posts.

And what does it matter if they're a Nintendo fan, with a themed username, saying the prefer games on a Nintendo console on a Nintendo related forum? When did that become a problem?


Pixelknot, I thought you was above that kind of stuff, you seem cool.
When you put it like that, it makes me think.
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Pixelknot, I thought you was above that kind of stuff, you seem cool.
Sorry, Mr Game & Watch,

I can respect opinions. And I don't have issues with one having a preference of one company over the rest.

But I don't like it when people simply just post "This system has way better games than the other" without even giving specific reasons/details to back up their statements.

It's very annoying.

If they don't do that, they'll just appear as more of a fantroll.

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Well I do think the 3DS has better games. The only good exclusive stuff on the Vita is Wipeout 2048, Gravity Rush, and if it's your kind of games, Golden Abyss and Everybody's Golf. The 3DS has a vastly superior library when it comes to exclusives. I don't see why we should count quick and cheap PS3 ports as something other than they are. They were only made that big because they were made for the PS3 and thus the developers could afford a much higher budget and a lot more development time. Riding on the PS3 to fill in the gaps isn't going to fool me and it apparently didn't fool many of the ~70 million PS3 owners.
This post is more like it.

EDIT: I do admit that I could've replied to that post a lot better than I did. Instead of accusing the poster of being a fanboy, I should've just politely asked for some more info on his opinion.

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Why get so defensive?. Okay they didn't really put anything enlightening, but they stated which handhelds games they prefer, in the right thread to do so. Disagree fine, but I don't see anything of substance in your posts.

And what does it matter if they're a Nintendo fan, with a themed username, saying they prefer games on a Nintendo console on a Nintendo related forum? When did that become a problem?


Pixelknot, I thought you was above that kind of stuff, you seem cool.
MrGame&Watch, your name says it all. You're a damn Game & Watch fanboy.
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Yanikun, your avatar says it all. Your a damn John Carter fanboy.

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I dont think either of them have great libraries yet, both of them are dissapointing in my perspective. Their best games are by way of Backwards compatibility.

Most of the games on 3DS are overpriced cop-outs in established franchises, and the same goes for the Vita. Its pretty sad when your most wanted feature (my most wanted feature) gives me the ability to play PS1 games.

My tune will change when those systems get games I would actually feel alright paying $40 for, but for the time being, all I ever play are games I can download for much cheaper. Most being games from prior generations
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MrGame&Watch, your name says it all. You're a damn Game & Watch fanboy.
Yeah you got me, I love games, and I love watches. I also love watching things so it's a triple whammy.

If I said I am a member of the Vita forum, who uses a different username there, what would that make me?, a schizophrenic fanboy.
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I dont think either of them have great libraries yet, both of them are dissapointing in my perspective. Their best games are by way of Backwards compatibility.

Most of the games on 3DS are overpriced cop-outs in established franchises, and the same goes for the Vita. Its pretty sad when your most wanted feature (my most wanted feature) gives me the ability to play PS1 games.

My tune will change when those systems get games I would actually feel alright paying $40 for, but for the time being, all I ever play are games I can download for much cheaper. Most being games from prior generations
Which games that you want on the 3DS and the Vita would you consider not worth $40 and how much do you think they should cost?
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Which games that you want on the 3DS and the Vita would you consider not worth $40 and how much do you think they should cost?
I wouldnt consider any of them worth $40, thats what I said... I would say no more than $30 tbh. But most of the 3DS library isnt worth $20 IMO. Vita games, well I would say $30 at the most so far.
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I wouldnt consider any of them worth $40, thats what I said... I would say no more than $30 tbh. But most of the 3DS library isnt worth $20 IMO. Vita games, well I would say $30 at the most so far.
You feel that way in comparison to prices of home console games or compared to something else? (just out of curiosity)
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You feel that way in comparison to prices of home console games or compared to something else? (just out of curiosity)
Just my own opinion of worth... Must know this Yani, I am a little frugal when it comes to video games.

Im not comparing them against console counterparts or anything, just gaming and games in general.


The problem I have is that most of them seem like they should be $15 digital releases, not $40 retail. Im usually not one to bring up length or content, cause thats not a big deal, but when a $40 game has the same or less amount of "gaming" than a $15 release, well thats where I am forming my opinion.
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What does that have to do with anything?
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What does that have to do with anything?
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THE Nintendo 3DS!! Why? It has Zelda, Mario, Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Tekken, Star Fox, Pokemon, Kirby, Metroid, Scribblenauts, Mario Kart, Dead Or Alive, Sonic The Hedgehog, Super Smash Bros., Ridge Racer, Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Castlevania, Luigi's Mansion, Epic Mickey, Tales Of The Abyss, Shin Megami Tensai, Animal Crossing, Shinobi, and the list goes on! Don't forget the ENTIRE NINTENDO DS LIBRARY IS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE!
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THE Nintendo 3DS!! Why? It has Zelda, Mario, Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Tekken, Star Fox, Pokemon, Kirby, Metroid, Scribblenauts, Mario Kart, Dead Or Alive, Sonic The Hedgehog, Super Smash Bros., Ridge Racer, Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Castlevania, Luigi's Mansion, Epic Mickey, Tales Of The Abyss, Shin Megami Tensai, Animal Crossing, Shinobi, and the list goes on! Don't forget the ENTIRE NINTENDO DS LIBRARY IS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE!
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THE Nintendo 3DS!! Why? It has Zelda, Mario, Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Tekken, Star Fox, Pokemon, Kirby, Metroid, Scribblenauts, Mario Kart, Dead Or Alive, Sonic The Hedgehog, Super Smash Bros., Ridge Racer, Donkey Kong, Paper Mario, Castlevania, Luigi's Mansion, Epic Mickey, Tales Of The Abyss, Shin Megami Tensai, Animal Crossing, Shinobi, and the list goes on! Don't forget the ENTIRE NINTENDO DS LIBRARY IS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE!
-Looks at your name.- lol... Oh, and the entire DS catalog is backwards compatible? I'm sure that can be debated.
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I'm going to put the entirety of my point in spoilers since it is a long post for people to scroll over if they want to ignore it.

Spoiler!
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I like 3DS but is has many problems........I wish Nintendo made 3DS nicer maybe it would be tough like gameboy last longer cost more but would be so worth it and fix hinge problem so loose.......wish Nintendo made sturdier systems like they used to.....
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3DS since it actually has games people want. The Vita has like only Gravity rush,Uncharted and MGs HD which tbh MGS fails unless its on a big screen tv. Maybe when P4G and AC for the Vita come out it will be a bit better.
MGS doesn't fail at all on the Vita, lol.
If you're looking at MetaCritic ratings, the Vita has 11 games with an 80+ score.
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MGS doesn't fail at all on the Vita, lol.
If you're looking at MetaCritic ratings, the Vita has 11 games with an 80+ score.
True. With Rayman Origins being the highest scoring game with a score of 88. And zero games with a 90+ score.

Just saying.

I'm interested to see how Vita will fare against 3DS in japan this week with Project DIva F being released for Vita today, and Soul Hackers and Senran Kagura Bust Burst being released for the 3DS. Can't wait for Media Create's and Famitsu's numbers.
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True. With Rayman Origins being the highest scoring game with a score of 88. And zero games with a 90+ score.

Just saying.

I'm interested to see how Vita will fare against 3DS in japan this week with Project DIva F being released for Vita today, and Soul Hackers and Senran Kagura Bust Burst being released for the 3DS. Can't wait for Media Create's and Famitsu's numbers.
Yes, that means that there are 10 really good games on the Vita, right?
The 3DS has lived far longer and has 16 80+ games.
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True. With Rayman Origins being the highest scoring game with a score of 88. And zero games with a 90+ score.

Just saying.

I'm interested to see how Vita will fare against 3DS in japan this week with Project DIva F being released for Vita today, and Soul Hackers and Senran Kagura Bust Burst being released for the 3DS. Can't wait for Media Create's and Famitsu's numbers.
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Yes, that means that there are 10 really good games on the Vita, right?
The 3DS has lived far longer and has 16 80+ games.
Not really the point at all, but please never use Metacritic for the score, use it as a simple tool to find all the professional reviews, and nothing else.
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Atleast the Vita's Assassins Creed title didnt get moved to another system.
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I'm wondering if they're gonna regret that decision by the way. They move AssCreed because the 3DS isn't selling well, then they put it on the Vita which is selling even worse while the 3DS made a come back.
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I think Sony is ripping you off with the Vita. $250-$300 for a Vita ($169 for 3ds). Overpriced Proprietary memory cards. (over $90 for 32 gb vita memory card. i bought my 32 gb class 10 sd card for $23 and it works great.) In my OPINION the 3DS is a better deal.
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I think Sony is ripping you off with the Vita. $250-$300 for a Vita ($169 for 3ds). Overpriced Proprietary memory cards. (over $90 for 32 gb vita memory card. i bought my 32 gb class 10 sd card for $23 and it works great.) In my OPINION the 3DS is a better deal.
3DS was originally the same price as what the vita is now, and the Vita does more, sooo...
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Not really the point at all, but please never use Metacritic for the score, use it as a simple tool to find all the professional reviews, and nothing else.
It's still the best way to find the most critically acclaimed games. But I agree, that's all there is to it.

I mentioned Metacritic solely to respond to Jasper's earlier post (which also mentioned it). Having 11 critically acclaimed games in the Vita (in which none of them scored 90+) doesn't necessarily means that the Vita has games people want. And the fact that Rayman Origins, a game that's generally been accepted to be inferior than it's home console counterpart, is the highest scoring game actually speaks quite a whole lot.
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It's still the best way to find the most critically acclaimed games. But I agree, that's all there is to it.

I mentioned Metacritic solely to respond to Jasper's earlier post (which also mentioned it). Having 11 critically acclaimed games in the Vita (in which none of them scored 90+) doesn't necessarily means that the Vita has games people want. And the fact that Rayman Origins, a game that's generally been accepted to be inferior than it's home console counterpart, is the highest scoring game actually speaks quite a whole lot.
It obviously has some games ppl want, otherwise it wouldn't sell a single unit, period.
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I'm wondering if they're gonna regret that decision by the way. They move AssCreed because the 3DS isn't selling well, then they put it on the Vita which is selling even worse while the 3DS made a come back.
I remember that article somewhere in the internet, and because of curiosity, I googled it to find how long did it take before ubisoft confirm the cancellation of AssCreed in the 3DS (starting from the 3ds launch) and compare the timeline with the PSvita, as well as the sales figure relative to their availability period in the market...

but I came across the IGN website, and this was ubisoft's reason for cancellation...

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"[The cancellation] was a decision made back in September 2010," Martinez said. "It wasn't due to anything that took place. We felt the machine already had a number of hardcore games for its release."
that was july 20 2011...

just wondering what are those hardcore games he is talking about last year...
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It obviously has some games ppl want, otherwise it wouldn't sell a single unit, period.
Obviously it was obvious that that's not what I meant, but then again I could've made it even more obvious. So thanks anyway for stating the obvious.
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3DS was originally the same price as what the vita is now, and the Vita does more, sooo...
And now it's at a lower price (for both models), and still doesn't require memory cards.

I know you can make a better counter argument than that Jackz.
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And now it's at a lower price (for both models), and still doesn't require memory cards.

I know you can make a better counter argument than that Jackz.
Well you can add the price of the lowest memory card on the Vita, while still taking into account that it has a way larger screen, multitouch, better online structure, a ton of more features, dual analog, etc.

$250 + $15 memory (4gb) = Still worth it

Just because something is more expensive doesn't initially make it the worse deal over the latter.
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It depends on many factors really. Game libraries and potential for success count for a lot when thinking about the worth of a system, but even in terms of the hardware itself, if you take a $170 3DS system with glasses-free 3D and a $270 Vita system with a much higher definition, I still think the original 3DS is a better deal hardware-wise. The equivalent for me would be if the Vita cost $220.

When you look at the 3DS XL at $200 however, and again, just looking at it in terms of hardware, then it's not even close -- the Vita is absolutely the better deal. The XL adds bigger screens and a different design, but it worsens everything else about the 3DS like definition, colors, speakers, ghosting, and ease of finding and keeping a sweet spot when holding the unit at an equally close distance to your face, which is the way that's comfortable for me -- all that for $30 more. In comparison, the Vita's superiority will blow people's minds as soon as they turn it on for the first time, where the difference isn't as significant with the small, brighter, sharper screen of the original 3DS.
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I think the new bundles will be a good for the VITA and get it into more peoples hands, you have the slick looking white AC 3 liberation and COD bundles both come with each game and a 4GB memory card for $250 which in my opinion is a great deal.
Hopefully we get to see more bundles like these.
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I think the new bundles will be a good for the VITA and get it into more peoples hands, you have the slick looking white AC 3 liberation and COD bundles both come with each game and a 4GB memory card for $250 which in my opinion is a great deal.
Hopefully we get to see more bundles like these.
It no longer comes with the memory card. It's been like that for awhile. Pretty selfish move on their part.
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It no longer comes with the memory card. It's been like that for awhile. Pretty selfish move on their part.
Didn't SONY "silently" put the 4GB memory card back to the bundle a few days (or perhaps weeks? I forgot) ago? I read it somewhere. I'll try to get a link.
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Only the Madden bundle for some reason does not come with a memory card the other 2 do.
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Just because something is more expensive doesn't initially make it the worse deal over the latter.
So what exactly constitutes this "worth it" thing then? I understand you already posted that, but that's exactly why I singled out your post.

My problem with your post was that you answer some "uneducated post" with "Well Nintendo did it too" expecting the guy to come to the conclusion that the price is justified because of that

And Yanikun, everyone has their reasons for buying what they buy. We can't just make a bunch of categories and then somewhat arbitrarily place people in these categories, hoping that explains everything. I think that's a less ambiguous way of making your point.
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And Yanikun, everyone has their reasons for buying what they buy. We can't just make a bunch of categories and then somewhat arbitrarily place people in these categories, hoping that explains everything. I think that's a less ambiguous way of making your point.
I don't know what you mean by categories or what it has to do with my post. My post was 90% about the hardware itself like I explained, and the other 10% was me saying that many other factors are involved in whether a system is more or less worth it, such a the game library. I find the 3DS and XL more worth it to me because it has more games I want, but that's not looking at it with as little bias as possible, so I keep that out of my analyses.
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Was this one a port?
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So.... 3ds wii u cross play now eh?
Good ideas should be copied. I hope they copy cross buy too.
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Good ideas should be copied. I hope they copy cross buy too.
Dude pplz have no idea how hard I want them to copy cross buy.
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As an owner of both, there really isn't much to discuss, really. We got past all the spec stuff and lack of games for both. Nothing really notable anymore, really. All we have left is the silly, idiotic fanboys.

All I'm going to say is that the Vita is not looking good. Comparing it to the 3DS, when the 3DS was where the Vita is at now it...doesn't look good.
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As an owner of both, there really isn't much to discuss, really. We got past all the spec stuff and lack of games for both. Nothing really notable anymore, really. All we have left is the silly, idiotic fanboys.

All I'm going to say is that the Vita is not looking good. Comparing it to the 3DS, when the 3DS was where the Vita is at now it...doesn't look good.
Eh, I feel psp was in the same boat vs ds around this time last gen.

Didn't stop the psp from being a beloved little handheld with a library of trusted go to games.

No it didn't have the success the ds had, but it was far from a failure as a console to me.

It had its place, and that place was good.

I can still see that for the vita.
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Eh, I feel psp was in the same boat vs ds around this time last gen.

Didn't stop the psp from being a beloved little handheld with a library of trusted go to games.

No it didn't have the success the ds had, but it was far from a failure as a console to me.

It had its place, and that place was good.

I can still see that for the vita.
Uhm, nope. DS had a rough start and PSP looked like it was going to mop the floor with it at the beginning. This is different. Both had a rough start, however 3DS recovered while Vita just keeps on sinking.

EDIT: Might I add both the PSP and DS were wildly successful.

@Rascal, Yeah you're right. There really isn't much room for discussion here, makes me question why we even have this thread.
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Uhm, nope. DS had a rough start and PSP looked like it was going to mop the floor with it at the beginning. This is different. Both had a rough start, however 3DS recovered while Vita just keeps on sinking.

EDIT: Might I add both the PSP and DS were wildly successful.
I never said ANYTHING about psv and 3ds's exact situation step by step from.launch to now being exactly the same as psp and ds.

I said 'AT THIS TIME IN THE DS PSP LIFE SPAN'.

That would be where the ds took off and left the psp behind.

Their is absolutely no reason.whatsoever the vita can't recover, it simply needs what the ds needed to take off, what the psp needed to recover and avoid being a failure, and what the 3ds needed to turn its failire around.

More good games. When the system gets them, more people will buy it.

And there was nothing wildly successful about the psp.

The ds was wildly sucsessful, does the psp have lifetime sales remotely close to the ds? no?

Then only one of them was wildly successful, while the psp will have to settle for being successful by being the first handheld In history to stand against nintendos handhelds and not be driven out of existance.

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I never said ANYTHING about psv and 3ds's exact situation step by step from.launch to now being exactly the same as psp and ds.

I said 'AT THIS TIME IN THE DS PSP LIFE SPAN'.

That would be where the ds took off and left the psp behind.
Oh sorry, misread.

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Their is absolutely no reason.whatsoever the vita can't recover, it simply needs what the ds needed to take off, what the psp needed to recover and avoid being a failure, and what the 3ds needed to turn its failire around.

More good games. When the system gets them, more people will buy it.
It needs big name brands and good games. I don't question Sony's ability to deliver good games, but they don't have enough games with selling power. Third-parties don't have any incentive to make good games for the Vita either.

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say PSP was a wild success all factors included.
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I don't believe the Vita will recover as well as some people think. First of all, I think it will remain a flop in Japan. How big of a flop, I don't know, but it will still be a flop. Sony's refusal to invest in creating IPs aimed at the Japanese market and their strategy to focus all first-party efforts on the West and to rely on third-party support for Japan is coming back to bite them in the ass.

Second of all, the balance between the DS/PSP and 3DS/Vita is pretty different in many, many ways. The main one, I would say, is that the PSP allowed developers to make games they knew how to make that would have been impossible on the DS. For 2D games, the DS was more than enough, but as soon as they were trying to make a 3D game, in particular a realistic one, the PSP was just the obvious choice. So on that front, the PSP was appealing to third-party developers.

With the 3DS and PS Vita, I think Sony lost its edge. While the difference in power remains large, both systems can now handle the same kinds of games. Whether you want to make a 2D or a 3D game, both systems can handle it beautifully, except there's one system that will enable you to do so with lower production costs. Even open world games can be done relatively well on the 3DS. Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Metal Gear etc. would simply not have been possible on the DS; only on the PSP. That edge isn't really there anymore this generation.

Third, the West doesn't usually care much about handhelds in the first place, so if Sony doesn't have Japan, then I don't really know that the West could save the Vita from being a flop. I'm not saying I predicted the Vita to be a flop from the get-go -- in fact, I thought it had a good chance of matching or passing the PSP -- but the first eight months of the Vita have proven to be considerably weaker than the PSP's, so it's not a very strong first impression to build upon for the future. Say you literally **** your pants the first time you meet a girl; how likely would it be that she would just overlook that first impression and actively seek to get to know you afterwards? Western third-party developers already don't trust handhelds very much, and the Vita definitely isn't changing their minds right about now, even if that might change at the end of the year. To be fair, even the 3DS isn't doing very well in the West.
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Oh sorry, misread.



It needs big name brands and good games. I don't question Sony's ability to deliver good games, but they don't have enough games with selling power. Third-parties don't have any incentive to make good games for the Vita either.

Yeah, but I think it's safe to say PSP was a wild success all factors included.
The PSP itself did very well, but nobody actually bought the games because of the rampant piracy. So it wasn't really a success.
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I don't believe the Vita will recover as well as some people think. First of all, I think it will remain a flop in Japan. How big of a flop, I don't know, but it will still be a flop. Sony's refusal to invest in creating IPs aimed at the Japanese market and their strategy to focus all first-party efforts on the West and to rely on third-party support for Japan is coming back to bite them in the ass.

Second of all, the balance between the DS/PSP and 3DS/Vita is pretty different in many, many ways. The main one, I would say, is that the PSP allowed developers to make games they knew how to make that would have been impossible on the DS. For 2D games, the DS was more than enough, but as soon as they were trying to make a 3D game, in particular a realistic one, the PSP was just the obvious choice. So on that front, the PSP was appealing to third-party developers.

With the 3DS and PS Vita, I think Sony lost its edge. While the difference in power remains large, both systems can now handle the same kinds of games. Whether you want to make a 2D or a 3D game, both systems can handle it beautifully, except there's one system that will enable you to do so with lower production costs. Even open world games can be done relatively well on the 3DS. Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Metal Gear etc. would simply not have been possible on the DS; only on the PSP. That edge isn't really there anymore this generation.

Third, the West doesn't usually care much about handhelds in the first place, so if Sony doesn't have Japan, then I don't really know that the West could save the Vita from being a flop. I'm not saying I predicted the Vita to be a flop from the get-go -- in fact, I thought it had a good chance of matching or passing the PSP -- but the first eight months of the Vita have proven to be considerably weaker than the PSP's, so it's not a very strong first impression to build upon for the future. Say you literally **** your pants the first time you meet a girl; how likely would it be that she would just overlook that first impression and actively seek to get to know you afterwards? Western third-party developers already don't trust handhelds very much, and the Vita definitely isn't changing their minds right about now, even if that might change at the end of the year. To be fair, even the 3DS isn't doing very well in the West.
psp was to expensive when it launched, and nobody really know what to aspect from it ( unsure investment ). Besides that most games they already had played "if they where interested in it" on the PS2 which at that time was a console that everybody that was interested in playstation offerings already had.

the same counts for the vita.

They have to cut the price drastically or somehow build convidence in the product by supporting it big time, as clearly the ps3 still gets all there attention and the vita is left over with b versions of games there is no convidence in there product at all.

Lets not even talk about the PS4 that is probably going to destroy the vita entirely like the PS3 did with the PSP.

They will have to cut the price drastically to hope that people would see it as a extra secondairy gaming handheld or just impulse buy it.

People that are interested in a vita, are simple just going to wait until the price drops drastically and they find it themselves worth it up.

It's beyond me why they didn't launched a god of war game yet for the vita or announced, or a gta game or a new monster hunter game or even a dam kingdom hearts game for that matter.

And with this in mind, i am sure that people simple got no trust in sony at all if it comes on handheld department.

On the software department, the vita is perfectly capable to run mmo type of games and its sony to actually dig itself forwards in this department, its up to them to pull out experience out of there pocket that the 3DS simple is not capable to deliver.

in other words the vita is far from doomed, if they just do what i mentioned already multiple times. But frankly they rather stick there heads in the sand and keep on trucking like they do now, until retailers just drop the vita entirely and move on towards the next thing that does sell.
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Gah! Negative vibes everywhere!!!!

Its okay Vita! Don't listen to them!

There there, it will be okay.

You'll show them, all you need are some must have games.
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No matter what the sales are I'm glad I got the VITA at launch and would do it again if given the chance.
I got more action from my VITA than some of my ex-girlfriends.
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No matter what the sales are I'm glad I got the VITA at launch and would do it again if given the chance.
I got more action from my VITA than some of my ex-girlfriends.
Well I guess that's one use while we wait for more games to come out....

Cartridge slot or memory slot?
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No matter what the sales are I'm glad I got the VITA at launch and would do it again if given the chance.
I definitely am too. No one's holding a gun to your head when you make a purchase and we knew about enough titles that we could decide whether there were enough we wanted in the short term to justify a purchase.


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I got more action from my VITA than some of my ex-girlfriends.
That's not my case; however, the Vita didn't take a dump on my life.
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Well I guess that's one use while we wait for more games to come out....

Cartridge slot or memory slot?
That memory slot is small, man.

Also, I love having PSOne classics! Just bought Ridge Racer Type 4 for 2.49 EUR.
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I just bought one today secondhand though but in perfect condition the first edition bundle and with 32gb memory card for 250$ not bad right cant wait to play with it but most of the games that i want to play is still not release T_T persona 4 golden and ragnarok odyssey.. anyway there still the psn might as well check it out
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Do you think the e-shop is going in the right direction to combat PSN in quality in maybe 2-3 more years? I ask this after the announcement of the upcoming November games.

Also- what else do you think Nintendo needs to do as far as 3DS system functionality to keep consumers interested? - example - improved browser, multimedia apps? General apps? FB-Google maps (wifi)? what?
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Do you think the e-shop is going in the right direction to combat PSN in quality in maybe 2-3 more years? I ask this after the announcement of the upcoming November games.

Also- what else do you think Nintendo needs to do as far as 3DS system functionality to keep consumers interested? - example - improved browser, multimedia apps? General apps? FB-Google maps (wifi)? what?
I think the eShop isn't really trying to be like PSN. People would say that it's behind, but I have a PS3, a PS Vita and a 3DS, and I spend more time on and downloaded more stuff off the eShop, so it's doing something right. I'm not sure if there are screenshots and videos of the Vita games whose demos are on the PSN? Last time I checked, there weren't. Because that's one thing the eShop does consistently, even minor games have their own screenshots (like Spy Hunter, which doesn't even have the screenshots found on the eShop anywhere else on the internet).

As for what Nintendo would need to do to improve the system's functionalities to keep people interested, I think most important would be a YouTube app and a video player. An improved browser would be nice but I wouldn't want the browser to take resources from something else on the system, seeing as it's meant to multi-task.
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I like the eShop, and the 3DS has better exclusive downloadable titles than the Vita, but the Vita's PSN is still better, because it has:

- A more clear and logical sorting system
- PSOne and PSP titles
- Almost all Vita games available digitally
- An account system
- If you don't have a credit card, it's much easier to purchase things since PSN cards can be bought everywhere while I haven't seen a single eShop card here in my life
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I like the eShop, and the 3DS has better exclusive downloadable titles than the Vita, but the Vita's PSN is still better, because it has:

- A more clear and logical sorting system
- PSOne and PSP titles
- Almost all Vita games available digitally
- An account system
- If you don't have a credit card, it's much easier to purchase things since PSN cards can be bought everywhere while I haven't seen a single eShop card here in my life
Which titles on the e-shop are good? I've been wanting to buy some games off of the shop, but I have no clue which ones are worth the money. I've been burned a few times with buying games off of PSN.
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Sakura Samuri and pushmo
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Which titles on the e-shop are good? I've been wanting to buy some games off of the shop, but I have no clue which ones are worth the money. I've been burned a few times with buying games off of PSN.
It really all depends on what your preferences are like, but here's a list of the most popular 3DSWare titles (click on the links for the Metacritic page):

- Cave Story
- Pushmo (made by Nintendo)
- Colors! 3D (co-developed by Nintendo)
- VVVVVV
- The Denpa Men: They Came By Wave (co-developed by Nintendo)
- Art of Balance Touch!
- Mutant Mudds (will receive free DLC levels soon by the way)
- Zen Pinball 3D
- Mighty Switch Force!
- Ketzal's Corridors (made by Nintendo)
- Marvel Pinball 3D
- Fractured Soul
- Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword (made by Nintendo)
- Freakyforms: Your Creations, Alive! (made by Nintendo)
- Dillon's Rolling Western (made by Nintendo)

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It really all depends on what your preferences are like, but here's a list of the most popular 3DSWare titles (click on the links for the Metacritic page):

- Cave Story
- Pushmo (made by Nintendo)
- Colors! 3D (co-developed by Nintendo)
- VVVVVV
- The Denpa Men: They Came By Wave (co-developed by Nintendo)
- Art of Balance Touch!
- Mutant Mudds (will receive free DLC levels soon by the way)
- Zen Pinball 3D
- Mighty Switch Force!
- Ketzal's Corridors (made by Nintendo)
- Marvel Pinball 3D
- Fractured Soul
- Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword (made by Nintendo)
- Freakyforms: Your Creations, Alive! (made by Nintendo)
- Dillon's Rolling Western (made by Nintendo)
Johnny Kung FU looks like a hidden gem too. Also how is fractured soul, it looks intriguing
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Also how is fractured soul, it looks intriguing
Haven't played it yet, but the reviews are generally really positive, with the negative ones bashing the difficulty. I guess it's only for the more skilled gamers out there, but I'd like to try it for myself.

And I'm probably in a minority, but I had a blast with the Heavy Fire Spec Ops 3D remake. Apparently the WiiWare one was a complete suckfest, but they fixed all their stupid mistakes on this one. It was very enjoyable, even if there's not much replay value and it's a short game, but for $4.99, I thought it was worth it.

I'm really hyped for ATV Wild Ride 3D by the way, that's the eShop game I'm most looking forward to -- 4-player local and online multi...
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the reviews are generally really positive, with the negative ones bashing the difficulty. I guess it's only for the more skilled gamers out there
it has (+/-) 30 levels in 5 different twists of environment that will literally change the platforming gameplay each environment. it is really like "megaman meets vvvvvv" as what the developers are saying...

would you believe that i'm playing this for 45+ hours and counting? lol, because it's really fun doing speedruns in this game and online leaderboards really add to its replayability... there's even a website for it's online leaderboards --> Fractured Soul

for me, just finishing the game is already a challenge, but speedrunning and competing in leaderboards is (very very) more challenging!
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would you believe that i'm playing this for 45+ hours and counting? lol, because it's really fun doing speedruns in this game and online leaderboards really add to its replayability...
Damn... Buying it tonight. Thanks!
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I bought it and it is worth every cent. Excellent level-design, love the sound, the two-screen gameplay is a lot of fun, and I like the visual style. Online leaderboards are definitely a welcome feature here.
Thanks a lot for the impressions, I guess it would have taken me a while to get around to buying it, and it would have been a shame to not reward the developers for bringing such a quality platformer to the eShop after years of development hell.

I sent you my friend code by PM, to compare times easily. But considering I have only about an hour on it, it's probably going to take some time until I get close to yours.
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Man, the vita has a pretty respectable holiday lineup. LBP(which is amazing by the way), assassins creed liberation, Playstation all stars battle royal, need for speed most wanted, that silent hill game, and that call of duty game (could be good, looks bad now, but you never know. I mean, I will be buying, or have bought 4- 5 of those. Soon the vita will have a crapload of games. My vita is cracked right now, so come October 30 when the asscreed bundle comes out, I'll be a happy happy vita owner.


In comparison The 3ds has Paper Mario and that adventure time game. Two games that I will buy and enjoy, but still, you can tell Nintendo is shifting focus to Wii U for the holiday. 3ds lineup is weak.
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Man, the vita has a pretty respectable holiday lineup. LBP(which is amazing by the way), assassins creed liberation, Playstation all stars battle royal, need for speed most wanted, that silent hill game, and that call of duty game (could be good, looks bad now, but you never know. I mean, I will be buying, or have bought 4- 5 of those. Soon the vita will have a crapload of games. My vita is cracked right now, so come October 30 when the asscreed bundle comes out, I'll be a happy happy vita owner.


In comparison The 3ds has Paper Mario and that adventure time game. Two games that I will buy and enjoy, but still, you can tell Nintendo is shifting focus to Wii U for the holiday. 3ds lineup is weak.
Yeah I was pretty pissed when they delayed both Luigi's Mansion 2 and Castlevania. Didn't they know the Wii U was going to release during the holidays or what?

But I don't think it's that bad, they're really focusing a lot on the eShop, which is good, there are a few notable third-party releases (Code of Princess, Sonic & All Stars, Epic Mickey, Scribblenauts and that Adventure Time game), and you can't really call LBP a part of the holiday line-up, since September is before the sales start to pick up

Still, the Vita definitely has the superior line-up this holiday season in the West.

For the people in Japan though, may God have mercy on Sony's soul. The Vita is one of the only major systems ever to get a worse second holiday line-up than its launch one. Its title with the highest sales potential (AKB1/149: Love Election) also releases on the PSP (and it has more preorders on that). Don't be surprised when the Vita's situation doesn't improve over the holidays in Japan, especially with the massive 3DS line-up (Animal Crossing, Project X Zone, E.X. Troopers, Paper Mario, Bravely Default) in conjunction with the Wii U. But in the West, that's where it'll be interesting. The Vita has the upper hand over the 3DS in terms of big releases (which I think is a big mistake on Nintendo's part, but whatevs), so that might help the Vita's reputation when people look at both.
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Most eShop games have videos with gameplay under their menu item. You can check those out to see if you like the gameplay.

I'd suggest Pushmo, Mutant Mudds, VVVVV, Dillon's Rolling Western, Sakura Samurai and Liberation Maiden. Pushmo is a puzzle game, Mutant Mudds and VVVV are both hard platformers in a classic 8/16-bit style, Dillon is some sort of adventure/tower defense game, Sakurai Samurai is a bit like Infinity Blade (you wait for the enemy to attack, dodge, and slice) Japanese style and Liberation Maiden is some sort of shooter/dogfighting game. Check out the gameplay videos.

I'd recommend Pokedex 3D Pro and Pokemon Dream Radar but I am under the impression you're not big on Pokemon.
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Yeah I was pretty pissed when they delayed both Luigi's Mansion 2 and Castlevania. Didn't they know the Wii U was going to release during the holidays or what?

But I don't think it's that bad, they're really focusing a lot on the eShop, which is good, there are a few notable third-party releases (Code of Princess, Sonic & All Stars, Epic Mickey, Scribblenauts and that Adventure Time game), and you can't really call LBP a part of the holiday line-up, since September is before the sales start to pick up

Still, the Vita definitely has the superior line-up this holiday season in the West.

For the people in Japan though, may God have mercy on Sony's soul. The Vita is one of the only major systems ever to get a worse second holiday line-up than its launch one. Its title with the highest sales potential (AKB1/149: Love Election) also releases on the PSP (and it has more preorders on that). Don't be surprised when the Vita's situation doesn't improve over the holidays in Japan, especially with the massive 3DS line-up (Animal Crossing, Project X Zone, E.X. Troopers, Paper Mario, Bravely Default) in conjunction with the Wii U. But in the West, that's where it'll be interesting. The Vita has the upper hand over the 3DS in terms of big releases (which I think is a big mistake on Nintendo's part, but whatevs), so that might help the Vita's reputation when people look at both.

They really should have released luigi's mansion on halloween, but if they want to strengthen next years lineup, I'm fine with it. In all reality though, the vita is a western focused system right now. It's holiday lineup has several huge western franchises. Along with several bundles. The vita has Need for speed, assassins creed, Call of duty, madden, all available by this holiday. Several of them bundled with a vita. If anything can ignite the western handheld market for sony, this is it. I expect the vita to start performing well. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but that lineup is so stacked, you'll be hard pressed to find a gamer who isn't tempted.

As for the 3ds, Paper Mario will be solid, as he always is, but other than that there is really nothing. The lack of any real third party support at the start of a holiday for the top selling handheld is very worrisome for the future of the device.

Overall though, besides price, the Vita is clearly the better choice for a gamer this holiday season. I expect it to sell very well. After the 3ds' first holiday it was smooth sailing. Let's hope the same is true for the vita.
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The Vita definitely has the edge in terms of software coming to the the West for the remainder of this year, but that doesn't necessarily make it the better choice for gamers over the holiday season. Anyone undecided will make their decision based on all the games available on each system, the games they see on the shelves and depending on how much they research, all upcoming games. No ones going to make the decision based just on the games released in the narrow period in which they plan to buy it.

I'm sure there will be a decent boost to holiday sales in the west though. The games coming are from popular series, irrespective of quality they will draw some people in, and they add to a varied and decent, if not yet robust llibrary. I know in the UK at least that the advertisements have ramped up lately, and the stores are already offering deals better than the official bundles.

It's definitely not in an ideal situation. I've read some compelling arguments from those that already call it dead, and those that think it will go on to do better better than the PSP, in terms of sales and support. Personally I sit somewhere in the middle. I don't believe for one second that Sony would prematurely kill it off, but I don't think it will get the greatest amount of support either. I still plan on buying one though, maybe next summer depending on what gets announced between now and then. There's nothing appealing enough to me yet, AC:L looks good and NFS may have been the game to tempt me if I couldn't get it on the PS3.

The 3DS could have done with a stronger holiday line up. As I said before I think there's already a decent enough library to sell systems, but current owners expect better. There isn't really any full retail games i'm interested in for the rest of the year, but with a WiiU pre-ordered and other games coming that's not a bad thing for my wallet.
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The Vita definitely has the edge in terms of software coming to the the West for the remainder of this year, but that doesn't necessarily make it the better choice for gamers over the holiday season. Anyone undecided will make their decision based on all the games available on each system, the games they see on the shelves and depending on how much they research, all upcoming games. No ones going to make the decision based just on the games released in the narrow period in which they plan to buy it.

I'm sure there will be a decent boost to holiday sales in the west though. The games coming are from popular series, irrespective of quality they will draw some people in, and they add to a varied and decent, if not yet robust llibrary. I know in the UK at least that the advertisements have ramped up lately, and the stores are already offering deals better than the official bundles.

It's definitely not in an ideal situation. I've read some compelling arguments from those that already call it dead, and those that think it will go on to do better better than the PSP, in terms of sales and support. Personally I sit somewhere in the middle. I don't believe for one second that Sony would prematurely kill it off, but I don't think it will get the greatest amount of support either. I still plan on buying one though, maybe next summer depending on what gets announced between now and then. There's nothing appealing enough to me yet, AC:L looks good and NFS may have been the game to tempt me if I couldn't get it on the PS3.

The 3DS could have done with a stronger holiday line up. As I said before I think there's already a decent enough library to sell systems, but current owners expect better. There isn't really any full retail games i'm interested in for the rest of the year, but with a WiiU pre-ordered and other games coming that's not a bad thing for my wallet.
All I was saying was that this holiday season the vita was looking better. Its not the clear choice, but the vita after November will have a compare able library to the 3ds. Despite selling abysmally the vita is getting the major 3rd party support. That's what worries me about the future of the 3ds. Are devs just too unimpressed by the hardware that they will put games on a system that barely has 3 million owners tops instead of a system that has over 20 million? Its scary to say the least. The 3ds might suffer the same fate as the Wii, only being supported by Nintendo.
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All I was saying was that this holiday season the vita was looking better. Its not the clear choice, but the vita after November will have a compare able library to the 3ds. Despite selling abysmally the vita is getting the major 3rd party support. That's what worries me about the future of the 3ds. Are devs just too unimpressed by the hardware that they will put games on a system that barely has 3 million owners tops instead of a system that has over 20 million? Its scary to say the least. The 3ds might suffer the same fate as the Wii, only being supported by Nintendo.
I think we will have to wait until probably around this time next year to judge that properly. I'm pretty sure the decisions to make those games were made before the Vita launched when i'm sure the dev's would have been expecting much better sales by now. What major western titles have been announced recently for next year? The reality is western dev's don't care too much for handhelds. They were probably prepared to give the Vita a shot based on it's power and expected sales. If the games coming don't sell through well to existing owners as well as pushing hardware I don't expect to see too many more.

If dev's are too unimpressed with the hardware to bother making games for the lead selling handheld and the Vita sales don't improve vastly, then any handheld gamer who wants quality western games should be concerned.
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I think we will have to wait until probably around this time next year to judge that properly. I'm pretty sure the decisions to make those games were made before the Vita launched when i'm sure the dev's would have been expecting much better sales by now. What major western titles have been announced recently for next year? The reality is western dev's don't care too much for handhelds. They were probably prepared to give the Vita a shot based on it's power and expected sales. If the games coming don't sell through well to existing owners as well as pushing hardware I don't expect to see too many more.

If dev's are too unimpressed with the hardware to bother making games for the lead selling handheld and the Vita sales don't improve vastly, then any handheld gamer who wants quality western games should be concerned.
Japan likes handhelds, and we like consoles. It's a shame. Because I like both, and would just like quality support for both. Well, let's hope the vita has a killer holiday.
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The lack of any real third party support at the start of a holiday for the top selling handheld is very worrisome for the future of the device.
On top of the games I mentioned, there's also Skylanders Giants which the Vita doesn't have. The first one sold 330,000 on the 3DS, and I expect this one to be bigger. Just saiyin'.

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(I forgot about Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, too, even if that's published by Nintendo in the West)

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On top of the games I mentioned, there's also Skylanders Giants which the Vita doesn't have. The first one sold 330,000 on the 3DS, and I expect this one to be bigger. Just saiyin'.

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(I forgot about Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, too, even if that's published by Nintendo in the West)
But yan, can you compare that to an original assassins creed game? A full need for speed game that is essentially burnout 2? You can't skylanders is a small child's game and professor layton is more of an eastern thing.
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But yan, can you compare that to an original assassins creed game? A full need for speed game that is essentially burnout 2? You can't skylanders is a small child's game and professor layton is more of an eastern thing.
I'm not saying it's as good as AssCreed, NFS and COD, but I wouldn't say " lack of any real third party support." The first Professor Layton on the DS sold 1.18 in North America and 2.31 in Europe... It's not like it's a small third-party franchise or not "real" third-party support, it's just a handheld franchise and not a home console one.

I think an exclusive Epic Mickey is also a pretty big deal. I prefer AssCreed Liberation and NFS, but let's not understate the third-party support it's getting by saying it's not real support.
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I suppose your right. It's just, right now, this year looks awfully bleak for 3ds. I wanna play stuff on it, but they don't seem to have much in the horizon for me. Paper Mario will be good, luigi's mansion could be good, and maybe a third purchase for castlevania, but other than that, what will I buy? Up until E3 I will buy 2-3 3ds games, and 4-6 vita games. It seems a bit skewed.
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I suppose your right. It's just, right now, this year looks awfully bleak for 3ds. I wanna play stuff on it, but they don't seem to have much in the horizon for me. Paper Mario will be good, luigi's mansion could be good, and maybe a third purchase for castlevania, but other than that, what will I buy? Up until E3 I will buy 2-3 3ds games, and 4-6 vita games. It seems a bit skewed.
No Monster Hunter?

But I get it, I think they're waiting before announcing their next big games. We have Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem in the first half of 2012, but after that we know nothing. Is there even any announced Nintendo game in Japan other than Luigi's Mansion 2 that's not releasing this year?

I'm pretty sure Nintendo at least is doing that strategically, not sure about third parties. Hopefully they're just focusing on their holiday releases and then they'll announce more interesting stuff. But as Game&Watch said, I'm not that confident you'll see that kind of Western support for long on the Vita. AssCreed, NFS and COD were all in development before the Vita was released. If there's one system I'm worried about third-party-wise, it's not the 3DS.
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No Monster Hunter?

But I get it, I think they're waiting before announcing their next big games. We have Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem in the first half of 2012, but after that we know nothing. Is there even any announced Nintendo game in Japan other than Luigi's Mansion 2 that's not releasing this year?

I'm pretty sure Nintendo at least is doing that strategically, not sure about third parties. Hopefully they're just focusing on their holiday releases and then they'll announce more interesting stuff. But as Game&Watch said, I'm not that confident you'll see that kind of Western support for long on the Vita. AssCreed, NFS and COD were all in development before the Vita was released. If there's one system I'm worried about third-party-wise, it's not the 3DS.
I'm not so worried about it third party wise in a eastern sense, but really besides castlevania, what games from notable western 3rd party IP's are we getting? Assassins creed was canceled, no Chinatown wars 2 in sight, no cod. Frankly I'm fine with just playing nintendo games on nintendo platforms, I love those games and have other consoles to fill the gaps. But this is not what we were promised. Were is this third party support we were supposed to be getting?

I put a chunk of the blame on hardware, face it, the 3ds is a weak system hardware wise. A lot of money went into the 3d, that should've gone into dual analog and graphics. As a result, you have a system that is weak. I think nintendo realizes that it's all about games, and I think we'll see something more along the lines of a gameboy advance next gen. Fairly good, yet cheap hardware, no gimmicks that mark up price. Get's the games.
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I'm not sure, we might just not know about the games yet. If we're talking about third-party that were probably taking a wait-and-seen approach with the 3DS, they probably waited until Christmas of last year to see that the investment could pay off. We're just one year later, so it might just be that Castlevania is the first game to come from that.
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Nah I'm staying.
I'm not sure, we might just not know about the games yet. If we're talking about third-party that were probably taking a wait-and-seen approach with the 3DS, they probably waited until Christmas of last year to see that the investment could pay off. We're just one year later, so it might just be that Castlevania is the first game to come from that.
Well I certainly hope so. Castlevania looks nice though. So I have some hope, it's just, right now the 3ds is the weakest gaming system being developed for: Vita, Ios, android, ps3, xbox, wii u. So dev's really don't have the option of porting. I think that this could pose some problems in the future.
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I put a chunk of the blame on hardware, face it, the 3ds is a weak system hardware wise. A lot of money went into the 3d, that should've gone into dual analog and graphics. As a result, you have a system that is weak. I think nintendo realizes that it's all about games, and I think we'll see something more along the lines of a gameboy advance next gen. Fairly good, yet cheap hardware, no gimmicks that mark up price. Get's the games.
Nintendo does things differently. If they made a ps vita, how boring would that be? 3ds is getting plenty of third party support, most of it exclusive. I can live without a spinoff cod, which I have no idea how anyone could buy that (basically telling them, its ok if they give you crap) I can also live without a spinoff AC, though I will buy it on vita as that game looks like a decent amount of effort was put into it. As for NFS, it looks good on vita, but I have stopped playing need for speed a long time ago. By no means, do I care about that epic mickey game, but at least the 3ds 3rd party games, excluding the fighters and a few others, are exclusively on 3ds and without 3ds they wouldn't be available. Just look at how many unknown 3rd party games took off during the gba and ds era alone.
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And as far as it being a weak system hardware-wise, Revelations proves that pretty damn wrong... if more developers put major work into their games like Cappy die with Revelations, I'm sure some damn astounding and shocking results would come from the 3DS. Hell, 3D Land looks damn good as well, IMO. as does MK7, so *shrugs*

8 million polygons are absolutely nothing without the gameplay/story/characters and immersion to go with the pretty pixels, and that's why Ninny is always one step ahead as far as innovations go. They may not be with visuals, but really, they don't need over-the-top hardware to win, if the Wii is any indication of that.

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But wouldn't you guys agree that if nintendo simply put the money they dumped into stereoscopic 3d into graphics, the 3ds would be a better system. 3d is not even the focus of the system anymore. With it mostly being pushed to the background as a side feature. Nintendo needs to go back to the strategy of the GBA. Hardware that is not gimped, not super powered. Relatively cheap. Nintendo needs to hit that sweet spot. Despite what you say graphics do matter. A powerful system is easier to work with, and gives devs more freedom.
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But wouldn't you guys agree that if nintendo simply put the money they dumped into stereoscopic 3d into graphics, the 3ds would be a better system. 3d is not even the focus of the system anymore. With it mostly being pushed to the background as a side feature. Nintendo needs to go back to the strategy of the GBA. Hardware that is not gimped, not super powered. Relatively cheap. Nintendo needs to hit that sweet spot. Despite what you say graphics do matter. A powerful system is easier to work with, and gives devs more freedom.
Graphics alone can't make a hit game. Just sayin'. You can have the most cutting edge graphics in the world, but if your game is ****, it's gonna sit on shelves and get laughed at for being awful, unless some poor sap doesn't know any better.
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But wouldn't you guys agree that if nintendo simply put the money they dumped into stereoscopic 3d into graphics, the 3ds would be a better system. 3d is not even the focus of the system anymore. With it mostly being pushed to the background as a side feature. Nintendo needs to go back to the strategy of the GBA. Hardware that is not gimped, not super powered. Relatively cheap. Nintendo needs to hit that sweet spot. Despite what you say graphics do matter. A powerful system is easier to work with, and gives devs more freedom.
I disagree. If that were the case the DS wouldn't have had so many games compared to the PSP. Multiplats would have also been created more on PS3 than 360 this console generation. Less hardware actually helps a lot of indy developers. Cheaper costs means less people on a development team.

I would have rather Nintendo done away with the 3D though, I think it was a dumb thing to have if you're going to force a sweet spot. Instead I would have rather had a new DS with better graphics, better than the current 3DS graphics, and maybe a second thumb stick to bring in more shooters with a natural feel.
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I disagree. If that were the case the DS wouldn't have had so many games compared to the PSP. Multiplats would have also been created more on PS3 than 360 this console generation. Less hardware actually helps a lot of indy developers. Cheaper costs means less people on a development team.

I would have rather Nintendo done away with the 3D though, I think it was a dumb thing to have if you're going to force a sweet spot. Instead I would have rather had a new DS with better graphics, better than the current 3DS graphics, and maybe a second thumb stick to bring in more shooters with a natural feel.
You just contradicted yourself. You said less power is better for indies, and that you want a ds with more power than the 3ds.

Just because something has more power, doesn't mean you have to use it. The ps3 is a wonderland for indies, and it's more powerful than the 360. So your argument is invalid.
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But wouldn't you guys agree that if nintendo simply put the money they dumped into stereoscopic 3d into graphics, the 3ds would be a better system. 3d is not even the focus of the system anymore. With it mostly being pushed to the background as a side feature. Nintendo needs to go back to the strategy of the GBA. Hardware that is not gimped, not super powered. Relatively cheap. Nintendo needs to hit that sweet spot. Despite what you say graphics do matter. A powerful system is easier to work with, and gives devs more freedom.
Nope. I personally hope every handheld game system from now on has 3D. When playing LBP on vita, I was thinking how much better it would have been with 3D. A powerful system is great, but not from nintendos standpoint. Nintendo wants unique experiences on 3ds. Watered down console 3rd party games, are really the last thing I want on my handheld
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Nope. I personally hope every handheld game system from now on has 3D. When playing LBP on vita, I was thinking how much better it would have been with 3D. A powerful system is great, but not from nintendos standpoint. Nintendo wants unique experiences on 3ds. Watered down console 3rd party games, are really the last thing I want on my handheld
Assassins creed liberation looks amazing, and is not watered down in the slightest it's an original game for vita, NFS most wanted is exactly like it's console brothers. Not a single thing changed. So not watered down at all. 3d fades to the background while your playing and does nothing for game play. And sony is making some great games for vita, lbp being one of them.

How is revelations not a watered down console game? Wouldn't Kid Icarus be better on Wii? The same can be said for all handheld games. Your argument is invalid.
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Assassins creed liberation looks amazing, and is not watered down in the slightest it's an original game for vita, NFS most wanted is exactly like it's console brothers. Not a single thing changed. So not watered down at all. 3d fades to the background while your playing and does nothing for game play. And sony is making some great games for vita, lbp being one of them.

How is revelations not a watered down console game? Wouldn't Kid Icarus be better on Wii? The same can be said for all handheld games. Your argument is invalid.
When did I say Ass creed was a watered down console port? I said it was a spinoff, which it is. 3d fades in the backround? What? I never said it changes gameplay. When did I say sony wasen't making great games? Dont put words in my mouth brah. Why would Revelations be watered down? Have you seen RE6 lol? NFS is not really that great of a series, and when compared to the ps3 version it wont be on par. I would rather vita get an exclusive racing game

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But I mainly mean I dont want watered down console ports going to 3ds, I mean that I would rather 3ds get original titles then watered down console ports as they would be extremely watered down on 3ds

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When did I say Ass creed was a watered down console port? I said it was a spinoff, which it is. 3d fades in the backround? What? I never said it changes gameplay. When did I say sony wasen't making great games? Dont put words in my mouth brah. Why would Revelations be watered down? Have you seen RE6 lol? NFS is not really that great of a series, and when compared to the ps3 version it wont be on par. I would rather vita get an exclusive racing game
You said in response to my comment about assassins creed that you don't want watered down 3rd party games. Yes, you don't notice 3d at all while your playing, it just fades into the background. If it doesn't add to gameplay, what is the point. Revelations would be better on consoles. There are no two ways about it. NFS most wanted is essentially burnout paradise 2. The same makers of burnout paradise are making it, and it's open world. It's awesome. It's exactly on par. The dev's said they didn't cut any corners.
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You said in response to my comment about assassins creed that you don't want watered down 3rd party games. Yes, you don't notice 3d at all while your playing, it just fades into the background. If it doesn't add to gameplay, what is the point. Revelations would be better on consoles. There are no two ways about it. NFS most wanted is essentially burnout paradise 2. The same makers of burnout paradise are making it, and it's open world. It's awesome. It's exactly on par. The dev's said they didn't cut any corners.
LOL? It amazes me how you think that every "console quality" game that isn't on a console, should be. Honestly, the biggest reason I bought Revelations was because it was on the 3ds. You can't just write people off with "your argument is invalid" because your can't come up with a decent defense.
Also, 3D does add to gameplay, just look at Super Mario Land 3D.
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I'm not sure why people are that inclined to compare handheld games to console games. Obviously, the system with more power is going to provide the "superior experience". Which is why the PC version of Most Wanted runs at 60FPS with up to 12 cars in MP while the console versions run at 30FPS with up to 8 cars in MP.

Even if it is a "lesser experience", like Sly 4, it still looks better than the vast majority of handheld games coming out. But maybe that says more about the lack of effort devs are putting into our games.
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LOL? It amazes me how you think that every "console quality" game that isn't on a console, should be. Honestly, the biggest reason I bought Revelations was because it was on the 3ds. You can't just write people off with "your argument is invalid" because your can't come up with a decent defense.
Also, 3D does add to gameplay, just look at Super Mario Land 3D.
But on a console it would have better graphics and dual analog control. On the ps3 it could have 3d as well. Explain to me your logic. 3d land was an atrocity of a mario game. Really a shame to 3d mario games. So if 3d adds to it. Then kudos.
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You just contradicted yourself. You said less power is better for indies, and that you want a ds with more power than the 3ds.

Just because something has more power, doesn't mean you have to use it. The ps3 is a wonderland for indies, and it's more powerful than the 360. So your argument is invalid.
You wanna talk about contradicting? Lol.

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But on a console it would have better graphics and dual analog control. On the ps3 it could have 3d as well. Explain to me your logic. 3d land was an atrocity of a mario game. Really a shame to 3d mario games. So if 3d adds to it. Then kudos.
And Revelations was fine without double analog. What you're saying about 3D land is, gasp, your opinion. Which, in this case, I don't care about. The question is, did 3D add to gameplay? Yes it did, even if you didn't like it.
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I find it weird that people think there is no point to 3D because it doesn't change the gameplay. With that line of thought, HD is pointless too.
If it looks good, it looks good. I want that depth.
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You said in response to my comment about assassins creed that you don't want watered down 3rd party games. Yes, you don't notice 3d at all while your playing, it just fades into the background. If it doesn't add to gameplay, what is the point. Revelations would be better on consoles. There are no two ways about it. NFS most wanted is essentially burnout paradise 2. The same makers of burnout paradise are making it, and it's open world. It's awesome. It's exactly on par. The dev's said they didn't cut any corners.
You didnt answer my question. Show where I said asscreed was watered down. Oh And I notice big time when the 3d is on, Mario 3d land without 3d is much more challening.
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You wanna talk about contradicting? Lol.


And Revelations was fine without double analog. What you're saying about 3D land is, gasp, your opinion. Which, in this case, I don't care about. The question is, did 3D add to gameplay? Yes it did, even if you didn't like it.
I wasn't contradicting, you said more power is bad for indies, I stated that the ps3, the most powerful console, is a haven for indies.

Yes sm3dl is harder without 3d. But 3d does nothing for any other game. Is 3d with worse graphics worth one game?
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I find it weird that people think there is no point to 3D because it doesn't change the gameplay. With that line of thought, HD is pointless too.
If it looks good, it looks good. I want that depth.
that's exactly what i'm always saying to myself whenever i read about people whining/complaining about the 3d and changing gameplays...

don't you guys want some "eye-gasm"? XD
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I wasn't contradicting, you said more power is bad for indies, I stated that the ps3, the most powerful console, is a haven for indies.

Yes sm3dl is harder without 3d. But 3d does nothing for any other game. Is 3d with worse graphics worth one game?
It still adds depth for every game I have played excluding, NSMB2. With Mario 3d land it makes the judging jumps easier, for Revelation the added depth sets up the game for higher immersion, Kid icarus uses it to help you time your dodges better. Mario Kart uses it to help you dodge in coming spectacles, and also becomes easier to get yourself in position to draft off the car in front of you. Pilot Wings judging the rings and landing platform becomes easier
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I wasn't contradicting, you said more power is bad for indies, I stated that the ps3, the most powerful console, is a haven for indies.

Yes sm3dl is harder without 3d. But 3d does nothing for any other game. Is 3d with worse graphics worth one game?
1. Misquote: I didn't say anything about the power being bad for indies, I was just quoting you.

2. Don't try to back track. You can't say "Oh, 3D adds nothing." and then go to "Well, it's only one game." because you have nothing else to say.

3. I don't care about a game having to be in 3D/ good graphixxs or not. But yes, there are some 3D games I wouldn't pass up just because the are in 3D

Just admit you're wrong on this one.
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It still adds depth for every game I have played excluding, NSMB2. With Mario 3d land it makes the judging jumps easier, for Revelation the added depth sets up the game for higher immersion, Kid icarus uses it to help you time your dodges better. Mario Kart uses it to help you dodge in coming spectacles, and also becomes easier to get yourself in position to draft off the car in front of you. Pilot Wings judging the rings and landing platform becomes easier
Well I haven't found those benefits except for 3d land. But if you have, then I'm happy for you.

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1. Misquote: I didn't say anything about the power being bad for indies, I was just quoting you.

2. Don't try to back track. You can't say "Oh, 3D adds nothing." and then go to "Well, it's only one game." because you have nothing else to say.

3. I don't care about a game having to be in 3D/ good graphixxs or not. But yes, there are some 3D games I wouldn't pass up just because the are in 3D

Just admit you're wrong on this one.
You did say that less power is cheaper for indies. Did you not?

Other than 3d land name a game that adds something other than "immersion".

3. Contradiction



All I'm trying to say, is that if the 3ds didn't had a 3d screen, but rather had a better GPU, CPU, and higher res screen with that money. You would have a more attractive system in my opinion. I'm not asking them to make it a vita, just take the cost of the 3ds, and replace the screen with a nicer one, and the gpu with a better one.
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Well I haven't found those benefits except for 3d land. But if you have, then I'm happy for you.



You did say that less power is cheaper for indies. Did you not?

Other than 3d land name a game that adds something other than "immersion".

3. Contradiction



All I'm trying to say, is that if the 3ds didn't had a 3d screen, but rather had a better GPU, CPU, and higher res screen with that money. You would have a more attractive system in my opinion. I'm not asking them to make it a vita, just take the cost of the 3ds, and replace the screen with a nicer one, and the gpu with a better one.
1. Lol, no I didn't. You might want to reread again. It was someone else.
2. Name a game that has been out longer than a year on the 3ds. Oh wait...
3. I don't care about a game having to be in 3D. But there are some games that I won't pass up, simply because they are in 3D. I can't believe I have to explain this, but when I said "won't pass it up" I meant that I got it specifically because I wanted to see it in 3D. It's not contradictory at all, because my previous statement was that I don't care about a game having to be in 3D. Get it? That means that I'm not going to not buy it simply because it's not in 3D, but there are some games I will buy just because they are.

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I disagree. If that were the case the DS wouldn't have had so many games compared to the PSP. Multiplats would have also been created more on PS3 than 360 this console generation. Less hardware actually helps a lot of indy developers. Cheaper costs means less people on a development team.

I would have rather Nintendo done away with the 3D though, I think it was a dumb thing to have if you're going to force a sweet spot. Instead I would have rather had a new DS with better graphics, better than the current 3DS graphics, and maybe a second thumb stick to bring in more shooters with a natural feel.
Oh, and here is the post that you keep trying to quote me on.

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