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Old 02-29-2012, 04:43 AM
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From Edmund McMillen's Twitter:

"Attention: After a long internal debate Nintendo has decided NOT to allow the Binding of Isaac on the 3ds. As many assumed the reasons were due to the games "questionable religious content". " https://twitter.com/#!/edmundmcmillen

Truly a disappointment. Honestly, I think its Nintendo's loss.


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"questionable religious content"

huh?
Old 02-29-2012, 04:48 AM
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ahhhh this truly is a shame... oh well. I was looking forward to it coming to the eshop
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"questionable religious content"

huh?
Don't ask me, ask Nintendo!

But really, the game is based off of the seven sins and the devil and junk.

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Old 02-29-2012, 04:49 AM
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Such a letdown.
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"questionable religious content"

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I take it you don't know much about the game.
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Nintendo has made a powerful enemy today.

I take it you don't know much about the game.
I know nothing.
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Well in the game....A God (trying to avoid Religion stuff here) tells Issac's Mom to go kill and sacrifice Issac, and there is other questionable ''stuff'' too......i can see where Nintendo is coming from....but still....Lighten Up Nintendo
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I know nothing.
You play as biblical figures, kill the hellish spawn of Satan and defeat your extremist Christian mother who is following Gods command to murder you.
It's filled with satanic imagery, goes out of its way to make everything disgusting and every single physical thing in the game is tied to religion.

It's done in as a huge parody and never takes itself seriously, though.


Also, I like how Nintendo lets Manhunt 2 on their console but wont allow this.
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I know nothing.
Well it is based on a story from the bible and is a rather dark themed game; not high in gore really just that it could be considered disturbing to some. It's a real shame Nintendo still feels they have to protect the children even with their parental controls and what not.

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Totally not surprising when you look at the game. There are ****ing goatse monsters for god's sake. Some pretty damn disturbing imagery.

I mean, I really enjoy the game and feel that Nintendo is a lot better about their download services, but I never thought for an instant it would be allowed on the eShop.
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Totally not surprising when you look at the game. There are ****ing goatse monsters for god's sake. Some pretty damn disturbing imagery.

I mean, I really enjoy the game and feel that Nintendo is a lot better about their download services, but I never thought for an instant it would be allowed on the eShop.
I'd be surprised if any system allowed it.

Interestingly, according to the twitter Nintendo was actually okay with that.
Their only problem was the religious content.
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Interestingly, according to the twitter Nintendo was actually okay with that.
Their only problem was the religious content.
That's what I'm mostly surprised about. I was thinking they wouldn't allow it, but not for religious reasons.
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I didn't find the game to be disturbing...

They have parental controls on the system, I don't see why they shouldn't allow this great game.
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I'm really disappointed about this. I was looking forward to playing this on 3DS. I'll be emailing Nintendo to express my disappointment.... not that it will do any good.
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My question is whether or not Nintendo is the only digital store refusing to sell the game (steam seems like the only one).

As much as I would have liked to play the game, I understand why Nintendo had to keep it from being released. Regardless of whether or not games are made by Nintendo, when they are on a Nintendo system they take the heat when these types of games or those with sexual content "not properly rated" are on their systems. Just think back to the Dead or Alive debacle and you can see why Nintendo denied the game.

People are going to try to use this situation as a counterpoint against Nintendo's progress in the digital secret, but when viewed through a sensible lens, their reasoning becomes obvious. The chances that a situation such as this one arises again is unlikely. Religion is probably the most touch subject that can be discussed and so I understand why Nintendo would move to avoid the headache that would surely come with the game.

Just bring Super Meat Boy to the 3DS already......
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:37 AM
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That's really too bad. The Binding of Isaac is simply a fantastic game, and one of my favorites of last year. It's sitting at almost 50 hours played on my Steam account. That said, the game's art style and attitude is what you could only call "messed-up". It's probably one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen, with all manner of grotesque monsters, demons, fetus-like enemies, blood, gore, urine, and poop everywhere.

I love it. <3

Still, it is one of those games that is just begging to ignite some controversy, and I can see why Nintendo may have not wanted it to be released on their system. I haven't really seen anybody upset about the Steam release, but on a system like the 3DS, it's just asking for somebody to get all "concerned" about what awful stuff the kids are into these days. And really, the game doesn't merit that. Sure, it's ostensibly a religious parody, but the story is ultimately so surreal and doesn't take itself seriously that it's hard to actually make the claim that's there's an anti-religious message- or any message at all, for that matter. It's kind of like an older, NES-generation game in that regard, which had weird themes and stories, but didn't have the impact to really tell a story. I almost wonder if the game is trying to give off that same vibe.
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Still, it is one of those games that is just begging to ignite some controversy, and I can see why Nintendo may have not wanted it to be released on their system. I haven't really seen anybody upset about the Steam release, but on a system like the 3DS, it's just asking for somebody to get all "concerned" about what awful stuff the kids are into these days.
If parents are concerned about what their children are playing, then they should turn on the pucking Parental Controls. It's common pucking sense.
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I can really tell why nintendo didn't want this game, have you seen the screenshots??

Well maybe now, maybe team meat can re-send super meat boy for approval :/
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I can really tell why nintendo didn't want this game, have you seen the screenshots??
Yes and it's just gore parodied. RE:R has plenty of gore and guts yet you don't see people *****ing about that.
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Yes and it's just gore parodied. RE:R has plenty of gore and guts yet you don't see people *****ing about that.
I can understand to some extent, you don't want to piss off religious groups. They wont stop at anything to get what they want even if it means going against their own religious beliefs; it's incredibly ironic.
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Totally not surprising when you look at the game. There are ****ing goatse monsters for god's sake. Some pretty damn disturbing imagery.

I mean, I really enjoy the game and feel that Nintendo is a lot better about their download services, but I never thought for an instant it would be allowed on the eShop.
So basically because its a nintendo console we must assume no mature game can or should be released on it. This deeply saddens me, I have the game on pc and it is amazing. Nintendo really need to grow up and fast.
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So basically because its a nintendo console we must assume no mature game can or should be released on it. This deeply saddens me, I have the game on pc and it is amazing. Nintendo really need to grow up and fast.
It's not that it's mature, it's that it may offend people of a certain religion; Nintendo just doesn't want to take the risk. Luckily for us Steam had no problems releasing it.
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Oh yeah, because Tales of the Abyss was totally not a **** barrage on religion.

Besides, you have to download the title first. People should know what they are buying in the first place. They can't just say "Oh, I didn't see this coming DO NOT WANT!"

Nintendo's loss. I'm gonna watch some anime to cool off.
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Dang another rpg I want to play not coming to the 3ds.

Added after 7 minutes:

Zelda Isaac

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So basically because its a nintendo console we must assume no mature game can or should be released on it. This deeply saddens me, I have the game on pc and it is amazing. Nintendo really need to grow up and fast.
The game both contains some downright disturbing imagery and basically parodies Christianity. There's no way that wouldn't cause issues.
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It's not that it's mature, it's that it may offend people of a certain religion; Nintendo just doesn't want to take the risk. Luckily for us Steam had no problems releasing it.
There a difference betweens something being mature and something being for a mature audience. I more meant games for an adult audience. Nintendo in this case are showing there weakness and steam actually did the right thing to do and not bow to possible pressures from people who may not like it. The fact that people of a particular religion could be offended should not be considered, afterall does nintendo not allow games on ther console for having religious themes? I'm an adult and should be able to decide what games I play, likewise parent should monitor and ensure they know what there kids are playing and not use it simply as a babysitting tool. Hence not releasing this game has no good reason behind it.

The funny thing is I recall nintendo questioning why they have recently had poor 3rd party support (especially with the wii), as they demand so much and then refuse game released elsewhere as it could be considered controversial.


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The game both contains some downright disturbing imagery and basically parodies Christianity. There's no way that wouldn't cause issues.
It was released on pc, the 3ds is simply another gaming platform, if it where to cause issues it is the people coplaning who really need to reexamine why they where complaining. Nintendo was weak and such instances like this (and many more) are why so many consider them to be a joke (I'm not included in that group, but I am none the less disappointed).

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There a difference betweens something being mature and something being for a mature audience. I more meant games for an adult audience. Nintendo in this case are showing there weakness and steam actually did the right thing to do and not bow to possible pressures from people who may not like it. The fact that people of a particular religion could be offended should not be considered, afterall does nintendo not allow games on ther console for having religious themes? I'm an adult and should be able to decide what games I play, likewise parent should monitor and ensure they know what there kids are playing and not use it simply as a babysitting tool. Hence not releasing this game has no good reason behind it.

The funny thing is I recall nintendo questioning why they have recently had poor 3rd party support (especially with the wii), as they demand so much and then refuse game released elsewhere as it could be considered controversial.




It was released on pc, the 3ds is simply another gaming platform, if it where to cause issues it is the people coplaning who really need to reexamine why they where complaining. Nintendo was weak and such instances like this (and many more) are why so many consider them to be a joke (I'm not included in that group, but I am none the less disappointed).
Why isn't it on XBLA or PSN then, if this is just Nintendo being "weak"?
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Why isn't it on XBLA or PSN then, if this is just Nintendo being "weak"?
We don't know what if anything has happened there (maybe the developers/publishers haven't tried there yet, maybe they devs/publishers don't want to put it on xbl or psn which could be for various reasons). What we do have is that Nintendo essentially refusing to release it on the 3ds. So stop assuming that the same has happened elsewhere when you have no evidence to back it.

Also I never said 'just' nintendo, so stop being overly presumptuous and learn to read.
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We don't know what if anything has happened there (maybe the developers/publishers haven't tried there yet, maybe they devs/publishers don't want to put it on xbl or psn which could be for various reasons). What we do have is that Nintendo essentially refusing to release it on the 3ds. So stop assuming that the same has happened elsewhere when you have no evidence to back it.

Also I never said 'just' nintendo, so stop being overly presumptuous and learn to read.
Err. Perhaps you need to learn to read. I meant "just Nintendo" as in "Nintendo isn't releasing the game just because they are weak."

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And to all you people complaining about how its on Steam should remember that games don't have to be rated by the ESRB to be on Steam, but to be on the eshop they do. Nicalis, or whoever is publishing this game, should get it rated before *****ing about Nintendo not putting it on the eshop.
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This game was released as-is on PC because there are no restrictions on content.

From what people have described, I can see how Nintendo would not want this on the eshop (especially during its infancy.)

People need to calm down.
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This game was released as-is on PC because there are no restrictions on content.

From what people have described, I can see how Nintendo would not want this on the eshop (especially during its infancy.)

People need to calm down.
Exactly, Kin. The game is currently available ONLY on Steam because it doesn't have to be rated by the ESRB to be on there. IF the game is ever released in its current form on a mainstream platform (iOS, Android, XBLA, PSN) then I would reconsider my stance. But as it is now, I don't see how this makes Nintendo weak, kiddy, casual, or whatever term people used to describe them nowadays.
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ahhhh this truly is a shame... oh well. I was looking forward to it coming to the eshop
This. Also, I am sure this means that Edmund McMillan will no longer try and release any games on the e-shop. That sucks even worse.

Also, I find it a bit hypocritical of Nintendo especially considering their first party title Kid Icarus Uprising. Doesn't this title contain "questionable religious themes" regarding ancient Greek mythology/religion?

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The fact that people are getting worked up about this is truly hysterical.

It's one video game. Get over it.

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This. Also, I am sure this means that Edmund McMillan will no longer try and release any games on the e-shop. That sucks even worse.

Also, I find it a bit hypocritical of Nintendo especially considering their first party title Kid Icarus Uprising. Doesn't this title contain "questionable religious themes" regarding ancient Greek mythology/religion?
Ancient Greek mythology hasn't been widely practiced as religion for at least a thousand years.

It's not the same as using themes from a modern religion.
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This. Also, I am sure this means that Edmund McMillan will no longer try and release any games on the e-shop. That sucks even worse.

Also, I find it a bit hypocritical of Nintendo especially considering their first party title Kid Icarus Uprising. Doesn't this title contain "questionable religious themes" regarding ancient Greek mythology/religion?
The game was rejected by sony aswell and I'm not sure about XBL.


And I'm pretty sure they approached PSN/XBL first before nintendo.




https://twitter.com/EdmundMcMillen/s...92933235257345


https://twitter.com/EdmundMcMillen/s...92692893253632


I believe he would not have said this if PSN accepted the game.

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The game was rejected by sony aswell and I'm not sure about XBL.


And I'm pretty sure they approached PSN/XBL first before nintendo.




https://twitter.com/EdmundMcMillen/s...92933235257345


https://twitter.com/EdmundMcMillen/s...92692893253632


I believe he would not have said this if PSN accepted the game.
https://twitter.com/#!/EdmundMcMille...97672228343808
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Past game does not mean the binding of isaac is on psn

Still he has not confirmed the game is on psn

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Past game does not mean the binding of isaac is on psn

Still he has not confirmed the game is on psn
If I remember right, he has said that the only other console they would put it on (besides PC) is the 3DS. I'm not sure if that's right, but I think I do remember him saying that.
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THE HECK, NINTENDO!?

What about Earthbound's beer advertisements... HECK, WHAT ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?
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THE HECK, NINTENDO!?

What about Earthbound's beer advertisements... HECK, WHAT ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?
Resident Evil is a retail game.

In order to to buy Resident Evil in stores, you have to be carded.

Also, Earthbound was made years ago and Nintendo hasn't even released that game through the Wii's Virtual Console in the US.
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Resident Evil is a retail game.

In order to to buy Resident Evil in stores, you have to be carded.

Also, Earthbound was made years ago and Nintendo hasn't even released that game through the Wii's Virtual Console in the US.

Yes, but RE has a demo on the eshop.
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Yes, but RE has a demo on the eshop.
RE is also only rated M.

Judging by the description of what's in BoI, this game would have received an Adults Only rating.
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RE is also only rated M.

Judging by the description of what's in BoI, this game would have received an Adults Only rating.
Kin, look up actual gameplay videos.
It deserves no more than an M rating. The religious parodies are what turned Nintendo away.

If it was AO Steam would have never allowed it.
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Kin, look up actual gameplay videos.
It deserves no more than an M rating. The religious parodies are what turned Nintendo away.

If it was AO Steam would have never allowed it.
******s that shoot blood might make it AO.

It's not rated though, so all we can do is speculate on what it would be.
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******s that shoot blood might make it AO.

It's not rated though, so all we can do is speculate on what it would be.
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Here's the description:
Exactly, BoI isn't under that category.
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Exactly, BoI isn't under that category.
It features ******* with legs that shoot bloody laser beams.

That falls under "graphic sexual content".
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This is why most game makers make up their own fictional religions. But then of course, if you're gonna make jokes it wont be "funny". The question is if you really should joke about it. In video games at least. I haven't played the game so I can't say for sure how "bad" the jokes are. But as long as there's a way to play the game it should be fine right? It's not like it's banned for life. Sucks for the hardcore fans though. But then again, they never promised anything did they?
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This is why most game makers make up their own fictional religions. But then of course, if you're gonna make jokes it wont be "funny". The question is if you really should joke about it. In video games at least. I haven't played the game so I can't say for sure how "bad" the jokes are. But as long as there's a way to play the game it should be fine right? It's not like it's banned for life. Sucks for the hardcore fans though. But then again, they never promised anything did they?
To be honest, all we have to go on here is a twitter account.

I don't think we're getting the full story here.
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It features ******* with legs that shoot bloody laser beams.

That falls under "graphic sexual content".
They're not even realistic, most of the enemies are weird creatures so it hardly stands out as a vag. I would not consider a creature that somewhat resembles female genitalia yet shoots laser beams "graphic sexual content".
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Err. Perhaps you need to learn to read. I meant "just Nintendo" as in "Nintendo isn't releasing the game just because they are weak."

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And to all you people complaining about how its on Steam should remember that games don't have to be rated by the ESRB to be on Steam, but to be on the eshop they do. Nicalis, or whoever is publishing this game, should get it rated before *****ing about Nintendo not putting it on the eshop.
Actually if you look at Postal 3 you can see that for steam to sell the game it does need to be rated. It can be on steam without a rating but you would have to buy a key from the devs if it isn't rated and couldn't buy it directly from steam. Also if that is what you meant by 'just nintendo' you probably should have phrased it very differently, but then again you really are just trying to escape what you said with excuses.


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They're not even realistic, most of the enemies are weird creatures so it hardly stands out as a vag. I would not consider a creature that somewhat resembles female genitalia yet shoots laser beams "graphic sexual content".
You have to remember many Nintendo fanboys cannot be reasoned with. No matter what happens, they will always defend Nintendo and thus aren't worth discussing any related matters.
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You have to remember many Nintendo fanboys cannot be reasoned with. No matter what happens, they will always defend Nintendo and thus aren't worth discussing any related matters.
Wow, really?

I was very put-off by some of the imagery in this game.

I'm not surprised at all that Nintendo didn't allow this on the eshop.
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PC, Sony and Xbox fan"boys" are the same too. We're all the same crap.
That is true, everyone is a fanboy in some area, but I stay out of such threads as much as possible and still remain level headed (eg: I'm a killzone fanboy but I don't defend the lack of patch to fix the glitches that have know ruined the mp portion of killzone 3, yet know others who still argue that it is not a detriment to the game).
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Nintendo when are you going to stop games from coming onto your Shop channels over religon
I mean if it offends someone so what.
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It's not "so what" in the US. Everything is a big deal in the US. And I can imagine people whining in the EU too. Japan? Well, possible, maybe, but the ******s would have to be censored, no matter how stretchy they or who they belong to.
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Wow, really?

I was very put-off by some of the imagery in this game.

I'm not surprised at all that Nintendo didn't allow this on the eshop.
To be fair, it's the kind of game that's meant to put people off. That's just Edmund McMillen's style of humor- that of a really, really, really... really lowbrow college student. We saw some of that in Super Meat Boy, although probably not to this extent. Frankly, I doubt he's making the game with the purpose of offending people, although he knew it would no doubt be offensive to some. It's just the kind of humor that some people chuckle at and go, "Dude, that's so messed up!" It's not designed with any evil intent or anything. And it's certainly not an AO-rated game. I mean, c'mon guys- that's reserved for seriously sexual and violent stuff. If God of War can squeeze through with an M rating, there's no way this game has any worry of entering adult territory.

If Nintendo wants to keep this off the eShop to avoid any fallout from the inevitable hoards of "concerned" whiners, then that's fine. It's their choice. But that doesn't mean the game is made with ill intent or that it's even all that offensive. Nintendo's just being aware of their market.
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Actually if you look at Postal 3 you can see that for steam to sell the game it does need to be rated. It can be on steam without a rating but you would have to buy a key from the devs if it isn't rated and couldn't buy it directly from steam. Also if that is what you meant by 'just nintendo' you probably should have phrased it very differently, but then again you really are just trying to escape what you said with excuses.




You have to remember many Nintendo fanboys cannot be reasoned with. No matter what happens, they will always defend Nintendo and thus aren't worth discussing any related matters.
I'm not escaping anything dude. Stop being presumptuous. I meant precisely what I said in the second post.

If games don't have to be rated, then how is Binding of Isaac on the Steam Store then? Also, you should read this: https://twitter.com/#!/EdmundMcMille...93174701334531
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I don't see why people are upset over this - the game looks disturbing. O.o Plus, it's not exactly the kind of thing I'd like to open the eShop to...

However, it's implied that the "questionable religious content" is the only thing that kept Nintendo from approving it. Does that mean if a developer/publisher were to submit a game with similar... "qualities" to TBOI, without all the Christian stuff, then they'd let it on the eShop? Would be interesting to see the results.
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"Attention: After a long internal debate Nintendo has decided NOT to allow the Binding of Isaac on the 3ds. As many assumed the reasons were due to the games "questionable religious content". " https://twitter.com/#!/edmundmcmillen

Truly a disappointment. Honestly, I think its Nintendo's loss.


1. Its okay, I already own it on PC

2. It would be much better suited toward Vita anyway since I doubt they care much about the religious undertone, and the native dual sticks
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Why don't people just get it for PC? It's on steam, which throws discounts at people everyday.

Also, BoI isn't exactly the world's most demanding game in the world; I'm pretty sure most PCs can run it these days.
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I was kinda interested in this game, sucks that it won't be on the 3DS. I'll buy it on Steam, though.
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If I remember right, he has said that the only other console they would put it on (besides PC) is the 3DS. I'm not sure if that's right, but I think I do remember him saying that.
I'm almost positive I read the exact same thing on shacknews.
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Well, here's some good news.

Team Meat looking to Sony platforms for Binding of Isaac | Joystiq
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Dunno why people feel that this behavior is exclusive to Nintendo. Any console company wouldn't allow content that basically makes fun of Christianity. It would cause a major ****fit and people would point fingers at the console manufacturer.

Additionally, Nintendo hasn't been bad about their censorship at all in recent years, even compared to other console manufacturers. Although I wouldn't call it "lately," in the awful game BMX XXX the Xbox and Gamecube versions allowed for the display of bare breasts while the PS2 version did not. There's also the whole Manhunt 2 scandal thing, but I'm not too sure about how the story goes on that one.

You guys are too spoiled by Steam. It's the exception, not the rule.
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The situation about this game seems to be blown out of proportion, and is the game necessary to have in ones collection.


Most people would play the game for a while then put it down and not look back.


It's just not worth the headache to receive such criticism from parents and religious groups if you are the console maker.
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The situation about this game seems to be blown out of proportion, and is the game necessary to have in ones collection.


Most people would play the game for a while then put it down and not look back.


It's just not worth the headache to receive such criticism from parents and religious groups if you are the console maker.
But if they have parental controls (which they do) then there ISN'T anything to complain about. OMG A BAD GAME! Oh wait, I don't have to buy it. In fact, they would only get criticism from idiots. Not hatin on religion(Christian myself), just saying, you can ignore this stuff, and there are parental controls for the parents.

Also, this game is a great game and honestly I only want it on eshop because it feels like a portable game. And BTW, isn't that how all games are? Play it for a while and then be done? Because that is what happens to me for all of my games.
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But if they have parental controls (which they do) then there ISN'T anything to complain about. OMG A BAD GAME! Oh wait, I don't have to buy it. In fact, they would only get criticism from idiots. Not hatin on religion(Christian myself), just saying, you can ignore this stuff, and there are parental controls for the parents.

Also, this game is a great game and honestly I only want it on eshop because it feels like a portable game. And BTW, isn't that how all games are? Play it for a while and then be done? Because that is what happens to me for all of my games.
The game doesn't have an ESRB rating, so I'm not sure how parental controls would work.
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The game doesn't have an ESRB rating, so I'm not sure how parental controls would work.
Nintendo could easily restrict which users are able to access the game's page, well maybe easier if they had an actual account system but they would still be able to manage it without.
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One where a kid could just bypass it by entering a random birthday?
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The wording of it makes it open to insult, badly.

"Questionable Religious Content"
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One where a kid could just bypass it by entering a random birthday?
Obviously I didn't mean like that. I don't know too much about the parental controls but surely Nintendo would be able to restrict viewing certain items on the eShop without the parental code or whatever. As I said, with Nintendo's current system it may be a little hard to do so they may need to tweak it a a little.
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Obviously I didn't mean like that. I don't know too much about the parental controls but surely Nintendo would be able to restrict viewing certain items on the eShop without the parental code or whatever. As I said, with Nintendo's current system it may be a little hard to do so they may need to tweak it a a little.
I'm sure they could, but it's probably more of a legal thing for Nintendo. Getting the game rated by the ESRB essentially removes their responsibility for the content within the game. If Nintendo becomes the one "rating" the games on the platform, that opens a whole new arena of legal complications that I'm sure they'd rather not step into.

Like I said earlier, if the devs really want this game on a mainstream console, then they should get it rated by the ESRB first.
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I'm not escaping anything dude. Stop being presumptuous. I meant precisely what I said in the second post.

If games don't have to be rated, then how is Binding of Isaac on the Steam Store then? Also, you should read this: https://twitter.com/#!/EdmundMcMille...93174701334531
My mistake about steam and ratings, lets however move on from the misunderstandings regarding are opinions (misunderstandings) on this matter as it isn't worth arguing over.

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I'm sure they could, but it's probably more of a legal thing for Nintendo. Getting the game rated by the ESRB essentially removes their responsibility for the content within the game. If Nintendo becomes the one "rating" the games on the platform, that opens a whole new arena of legal complications that I'm sure they'd rather not step into.

Like I said earlier, if the devs really want this game on a mainstream console, then they should get it rated by the ESRB first.
I agree with this, no ESRB means I understand why Nintendo wouldn't release it on there console. I was under the impression Nintendo was not allowing it even if it had an ESRB rating.
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My mistake about steam and ratings, lets however move on from the misunderstandings regarding are opinions (misunderstandings) on this matter as it isn't worth arguing over.
Agreed.
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Binding of Isaac really bothers me. by ~Kirazy on deviantART

^^^This guy hit the nail on the head. There is no way in hell even Steam would allow the release of a game that made fun of the Muslim religion, so why are we all butt-hurt that Nintendo doesn't want to put their "Seal of Approval" on a game that makes fun of the Christian religion?

I agree that Nintendo has made plenty of mistakes in the past, but from a purely business position (i.e. not wanting to offend your customers) this is not one of them.

Also, to say that Edmund McMillen does not have a beef with Christians ignores reality. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/EdmundMcMille...92421564841986

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God dammit Nintendo

I'm a Catholic and I have absolutely no problem with this game!
So what if it has "Questionable religious content"? Just set an age rating like everyone else.

Gosh, it's not hard!
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God dammit Nintendo

I'm a Catholic and I have absolutely no problem with this game!
So what if it has "Questionable religious content"? Just set an age rating like everyone else.

Gosh, it's not hard!
Nintendo doesn't set the age ratings. The ESRB does. And it looks like the devs are unwilling to get this game rated by the ESRB.
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Oh well, at least we got VVVVVV. That game is awesome
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Oh well, at least we got VVVVVV. That game is awesome
On PC I have put so many hours into VVVVVV. Is it in 3d on the 3ds (its not showing up in my store for some reason).
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Question reply to davids sealing of isaac rant

David recently posted a video where he ranted on how he felt about nintendo rejecting the sealing of isaac. He explained that people who are offended should just ignore things like this, although weather people ignore it or not it wouldnt effect nintendos descision(unless they had some sort of major poll in which a certain amount of people expressed their opposition to the games release, which they obviously didnt) because nintendo wouldnt know. The reason nintendo rejected the game is because they felt the game was offensive themselves. Maybe they arent religious but their moral compass told them that openly mocking others beliefs isnt right and its not what they stand for. We can tell that this game wasnt rejected to protect sales or had a financial reason because they would make much more money by releasing the game. I for one, respect nintendo for this because they dont allow games to be sold on their system if thats not what they stand for, because what products the company sells reflects on themselves. Finally id like to put this in a more universal perspective. Again, David said that people who are offended should just ignore things, although if nintendo was about to allow the release of a blatantly racist game on their Eshop would you rather have them reject it or release it and ignore it, and how would that effect your view of nintendo if at all? Maybe your answer is that they should release it or maybe not. personaly i would rather them not release a racist game, especially if it were towards my race because than i would know that thats the kind of product that nintendo approves. So what about you guys?(sorry its kinda long, and i just wanted to adress this whole issue to see if i was the only one who thought nintendo did the right thing)

*title should be BINDING of isaac
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On PC I have put so many hours into VVVVVV. Is it in 3d on the 3ds (its not showing up in my store for some reason).
Yes it's in 3D, I think it's only available in the US right now.
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God dammit Nintendo

I'm a Catholic and I have absolutely no problem with this game!
So what if it has "Questionable religious content"? Just set an age rating like everyone else.

Gosh, it's not hard!
Must be hard if only ESRB does that.
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Send Nintendo a well written, though out email about how you feel about their decision not to release this game. It may not change anything, but it might help if they knew how many people would purchase and play this game.
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Send Nintendo a well written, though out email about how you feel about their decision not to release this game. It may not change anything, but it might help if they knew how many people would purchase and play this game.
Or just buy it for the computer, and not bother with Nintendo at all....