Who wants Pokemon to move onto polygons?

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-09-2012, 05:41 AM

Eventually Pokemon will come to the 3DS, its inevitable. And there is a pretty strong chance I won't buy it, even used.

Honestly there is really only one way Nintendo could get me to buy it. And that's is by making it 3D. Not 3D like the 3DS 3D, I mean make it more like a Modern RPG.

They have made 3D pokemon games over the years (Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Poke Park) but those were all side games. I'm just curious why they haven't decided to move the main games into 3D yet?

This was kind of a rant, I just want to know how everyone else feels on the subject, this would be a great way for Nintendo to put all the people who say "Pokemon hasn't changed over the years" (myself included) to rest.

food for thought.

UrsineBagel · 05-09-2012, 05:44 AM

Well, they did Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness, but that's it.
I'd really like to see another Pokemon game like this too.

TheMightyFludd · 05-09-2012, 05:46 AM

They do need to switch to 3D because every game they get better graphics but those pixels just get more noticed.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-09-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UrsineBagel View Post

Well, they did Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness, but that's it.
I'd really like to see another Pokemon game like this too.

you are right I did miss Colosseum.

Basically what I'm saying is that they should enhance that and make it the main handheld style.

TheMightyFludd · 05-09-2012, 05:48 AM

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you are right I did miss Colosseum.

Basically what I'm saying is that they should enhance that and make it the main handheld style.

I agree with you 100% but with a better story and character models.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-09-2012, 05:48 AM

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I agree with you 100% but with a better story and character models.

Haha when I said enhance I meant REALLY enhance.

Kiryu · 05-09-2012, 06:39 AM

More like this

pls.

I was thinking more like getting away from the pixels personally.

Tipzil · 05-09-2012, 07:57 AM

Please don't kill meh D:
But i actually like the whole 2D spites, pixely feel, i don't know why lol
But 3D would be awesome, and it will come

Calman · 05-09-2012, 08:13 AM

They are half way there with Pokemon Black/White but that was still very 2D. I agree with the 3D thing. It would be alot more fun. Kind of like how Zelda got alot more interesting when it went 3D.

Yuoke · 05-09-2012, 09:10 AM

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They are half way there with Pokemon Black/White but that was still very 2D. I agree with the 3D thing. It would be alot more fun. Kind of like how Zelda got alot more interesting when it went 3D.

Not everyone agrees with that.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-09-2012, 09:25 AM

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Not everyone agrees with that.

well yeah, it's impossible to get everyone to agree on anything.

considering OoT is hailed by many to be the best game ever made, it's a pretty solid statement to make.

As much as I like aLttP and the other 2D Zelda games, my status as a big fan of the series probably would have faded if they had stuck to making 2D zeldas always.

Calman · 05-09-2012, 09:25 AM

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Not everyone agrees with that.

Well some people will like it, some people won't. In my opinion it would be good if it went 3D, and Zelda is good 3D as well.

Kurosai · 05-09-2012, 09:25 AM

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Not everyone agrees with that.

Not everyone, but the majority.

noonabites · 05-10-2012, 07:16 PM

I wonder if they do a complete 3D render, if it will remain in that top-side view they've always used or if a full 3D render means a different means of exploring and such...

That would be interesting, but I'm not sure if it would be a welcome change..

With the way Black and White turned out.. maybe they're just slowly diving into it?

Bon · 05-10-2012, 07:20 PM

Pokemon either needs to go to a more hand-drawn 2D or just make the jump to 3D models.
The current style is pretty plain and boring, and if they want to make the battles more dynamic the current direction won't work.

I'd still love a COMPLETELY 3D Pokemon game where you actually explore the region using a third person perspective, but XD and Colosseum made it pretty clear that Nintendo's afraid to move away from the overhead view.

outerheaven817 · 05-10-2012, 07:21 PM

I want to see Pokemon become full 3D in the overworld. But during battles it better stay 2D sprites.

The overworld should be still top down view with different angles at certain points similar to B/W. Lol I was thinking about how weird it would be to see full 3D world of Pokemon taking use of the Circle Pad Pro and everything. Haha

J-biz · 05-10-2012, 07:26 PM

I would prefer to see a 2D Overworld that embraces 2D and doesn't try to have the best of both worlds (Unova) but a 3D Battle System, with a fixed camera but 3D Models instead of sprites. The 3DS would be perfect.

BluePikmin11 · 05-10-2012, 07:38 PM

It needs to move to polygons as soon as Genesect is distributed...

TDAlias · 05-10-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Calman102 View Post

They are half way there with Pokemon Black/White but that was still very 2D. I agree with the 3D thing. It would be alot more fun. Kind of like how Zelda got alot more interesting when it went 3D.

Zelda went down-hill after Link to the Past. The DS games were fine though.

Anywho, either make high-rez sprites or just get 3D models already. Luckily, they seem to be making 3D models for that Pokedex+ 3D.

Ixchel · 05-10-2012, 09:22 PM

Eh, I don't see the art style as a reason to buy or not buy a pokemon game. You either like the series or you don't. If you're tired of the main plot the addition of 3d sprints isn't going to suddenly take away 5 generations of identical playthroughs and make the 6th any more interesting. (Unless eyecandy to you is 50% of the game)
The same way I believe that keeping the game as sprites at this point in time won't detract from the series at all if you currently have no problems with it. I find the sprite look very nice and sort of pokemon's character but I won't complain if they can make a good 3D game where it doesn't seem lazy or tacked on...

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by d0ct0rscarecr0w View Post

Eventually Pokemon will come to the 3DS, its inevitable. And there is a pretty strong chance I won't buy it, even used.

Honestly there is really only one way Nintendo could get me to buy it. And that's is by making it 3D. Not 3D like the 3DS 3D, I mean make it more like a Modern RPG.

They have made 3D pokemon games over the years (Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Poke Park) but those were all side games. I'm just curious why they haven't decided to move the main games into 3D yet?

This was kind of a rant, I just want to know how everyone else feels on the subject, this would be a great way for Nintendo to put all the people who say "Pokemon hasn't changed over the years" (myself included) to rest.

food for thought.

Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness were main series games tho

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 09:35 PM

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Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness were main series games tho

Main series games are the "colour" games on handhelds. Red, Blue, Gold, Silver, Black, White etc. Colosseum and XD are spinoffs.

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 09:36 PM

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Main series games are the "colour" games on handhelds. Red, Blue, Gold, Silver, Black, White etc. Colosseum and XD are spinoffs.

but the company itself counts them as main series

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 09:37 PM

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but the company itself counts them as main series

According to what source?

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 09:43 PM

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According to what source?

pokemon.com go in under there list of games, and pull up the tab that says main series games Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, Ruby, Saphire, Pokemon Colosseum, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Soulsilver, Heartgold, black, white

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 09:46 PM

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pokemon.com go in under there list of games, and pull up the tab that says main series games Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, Ruby, Saphire, Pokemon Colosseum, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Soulsilver, Heartgold, black, white

What "main series" tab? There is just one list of all the Pokemon games.

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 09:51 PM

hold up, ill post a link

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 09:52 PM

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hold up, ill post a link

Alright then.

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 09:58 PM

Template:Main series - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pok?mon encyclopedia

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 09:59 PM

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Template:Main series - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pok?mon encyclopedia

Bulbapedia is not an official source.

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 10:02 PM

hmmmm, guess you got me there lol, but really, your telling me an RPG pokemon game that can trade pokemon with main series handhelds isn't a main series tittle in itself

Tekka · 05-10-2012, 10:08 PM

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hmmmm, guess you got me there lol, but really, your telling me an RPG pokemon game that can trade pokemon with main series handhelds isn't a main series tittle in itself

That's correct. Look at what else is in their list; Pokemon Box, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Pokemon Ranch. All of which can interact with the handheld games. You're (and they are too in my opinion) confusing compatibility with core title status.

The main series games have a very specific format which has not changed since the series' inception, which Colosseum and XD do not meet.

Bon · 05-10-2012, 10:12 PM

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hmmmm, guess you got me there lol, but really, your telling me an RPG pokemon game that can trade pokemon with main series handhelds isn't a main series tittle in itself

Yes. Gamefreak didn't make it and Colosseum acted as a successor to the Stadium series.
They're separate entities.

Kiryu · 05-10-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekka View Post

Main series games are the "colour" games on handhelds. Red, Blue, Gold, Silver, Black, White etc. Colosseum and XD are spinoffs.

I want to add something to it.

Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow are color.

Gold, Silver, and Crystal are the color of the ore.

Sapphire, Ruby, and Emerald are color of the gem.

Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum are shape/color of the gem.

Black, White, Black 2, and White 2 are the color of the shade.

GrimmDark · 05-10-2012, 10:24 PM

ok, point taken, I secede, but you do have to admit, it dose have a striking resemblance to main title games, and yes Kiryu those should be added

Yoshi · 05-10-2012, 10:28 PM

OMG YES PLZ

NotAlwaysYou · 05-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Eh, I wouldn't mind 3D models and a 3D overworld, but I don't really care. If they choose 2D sprites though, they do need to drastically increase the detail of the sprites so you don't see obvious pixels becuase Black and White's sprites were pretty bad, I got used to them, but they still need to make them look better.

Superpie36 · 05-10-2012, 11:23 PM

I rather like the traditional format that we've seen since Red and Green were first released in 1997. I think that converting Pokemon to a polygonal format would ruin the game.

Kerimblue13 · 05-11-2012, 01:03 AM

I mean come on, it's about time! Keep the story and everything the same, I don't care, just make a polygonal world. Is it really so much to ask for?

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 01:07 AM

I'm telling you guys, its gonna make it feel entirely different

Lucky#13 · 05-11-2012, 01:11 AM

Of course it will, but it is long overdue by now.

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 01:17 AM

I mean, just being honest, I really doubt its gonna happen any ways, and if it dose there gonna start it out by having a main console game then moveing it to handheld, and if it dose happen its not gonna be till 6th or 7th gen

Lucky#13 · 05-11-2012, 01:19 AM

I could see that.
Speaking of next gens, what will they do with pok?mon#666? I'm not sure I want to see it happen. It may ruin it for me.

Jex · 05-11-2012, 01:46 AM

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I could see that.
Speaking of next gens, what will they do with pok?mon#666? I'm not sure I want to see it happen. It may ruin it for me.

I think they might do something for number 666. It would be one of the pokemon after the 3 starter pokemon and their evolutions. (Would be cool, cheap, and banned from tournaments, a rare pokemon that when you encounter it in the wild or battle, it's ability would be something like perish song where the pokemon die after a few turns.)

I think the future gens should bring back what gen 1 and 2 had with the odd pokemon encounters like the gastly family ghosts that you couldnt fight until you got the scope or missing no. Maybe have something like lock ness monster type appearances or aliens or spy encounters.

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 02:04 AM

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I think they might do something for number 666. It would be one of the pokemon after the 3 starter pokemon and their evolutions. (Would be cool, cheap, and banned from tournaments, a rare pokemon that when you encounter it in the wild or battle, it's ability would be something like perish song where the pokemon die after a few turns.)

I think the future gens should bring back what gen 1 and 2 had with the odd pokemon encounters like the gastly family ghosts that you couldnt fight until you got the scope or missing no. Maybe have something like lock ness monster type appearances or aliens or spy encounters.

that sounds BAD ASS

and as far as the 666th pokemon SATANACHUE

Fire/Elec pikachu clone

noonabites · 05-11-2012, 02:25 AM

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I'm telling you guys, its gonna make it feel entirely different

I think that goes back to the question if whether or not they'll change view of exploration.. If they keep a fixed angle, I don't think it'll change much.. We might have areas where we have a little control, but I don't think the feel will change much if the foundation is kept the same..

If they change that however...

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 02:28 AM

that's a good point, I mean don't get me wrong, Pokemon C and XD were awesome, Butttt I really want the Handhelds to stay the same as far as fixed goes

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by d0ct0rscarecr0w View Post

Eventually Pokemon will come to the 3DS, its inevitable. And there is a pretty strong chance I won't buy it, even used.

Honestly there is really only one way Nintendo could get me to buy it. And that's is by making it 3D. Not 3D like the 3DS 3D, I mean make it more like a Modern RPG.

They have made 3D pokemon games over the years (Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Poke Park) but those were all side games. I'm just curious why they haven't decided to move the main games into 3D yet?

This was kind of a rant, I just want to know how everyone else feels on the subject, this would be a great way for Nintendo to put all the people who say "Pokemon hasn't changed over the years" (myself included) to rest.

food for thought.

I loved Pokemon Stadium and Pokemon Colosseum and XD. Only thing I hated was the lack of catching in the XD and Collosseum games. You kinda "Stole" Them if I remember......

Kiryu · 05-11-2012, 03:50 AM

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I was thinking more like getting away from the pixels personally.

Actually... It's not pixels. It's polygonal of pixels in 3D model!

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 03:52 AM

I would love to see battles done with AR Cards, that would be sweet. Although, the AR camera is so sensitive, it would get tiring holding you hand steady the whole time trying to catch a Legendary.....

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 03:52 AM

well watch out for the AR pokemon catcher

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-11-2012, 04:16 AM

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Actually... It's not pixels. It's polygonal of pixels in 3D model!

may not be pixels but it still smells like pixels.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 04:21 AM

I wish it went back to Gameboy color graphics....I loved them, and I sadly can't play my old games anymore due to the saving curse.

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 04:30 AM

just swap out your battery

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 04:33 AM

How? In the GB Or the game?

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 04:40 AM

the game screw the back off and replace the battery

Replacing the Battery in Game Boy Color Cartridges - YouTube

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 04:44 AM

Thanks Man! I love you. I can play the best pokemon games again!

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 04:50 AM

be carefull while doing it tho, dont damage the game OR YOURSELF

itschrissy · 05-11-2012, 04:54 AM

About 81% of me wants polygons. The other 19% wants pixels, but only to curb my addiction to nostalgia.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 04:57 AM

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be carefull while doing it tho, dont damage the game OR YOURSELF

is it easy to break the game? I have butterfingers......so, this might not be a good idea.

ImTom · 05-11-2012, 10:10 AM

With the 3DS's increased resolution and processing power, I think it would be cool to see some even higher quality sprites, and put more polys and details in the 3D environment.

Kinda-sorta the best of both worlds.

sedasi · 05-11-2012, 10:50 AM

Either sprites or polygon I might still buy it nevertheless, IT'S FRICKIN POKEMON! But yea my interest will be doubled if they do use the polygon graphic and 3d.

Radiant · 05-11-2012, 01:09 PM

Honestly, I've wanted a 3D Pokemon game since Generation 1.

I forgave them on the DS because the 3D graphics for the DS were not all of that great, but this time around (Generation VI) I won't forgive them if they stick to the 2.5D graphics.

3dude · 05-11-2012, 01:14 PM

If they stop recycling the same crap i might actually look at getting another pokemon.

Last one i got was... Blue.

Third person over the shoulder camera, pokemon are visible before attacks, battles take place in regular gameworld instead of cutting to the emptiness of purgatory.

Wild Pokemon you dont wish to catch can be hunted and carved for meat for you and gour pokemons sustenence and equips for yourself and your pokemon to wear.

BluePikmin11 · 05-11-2012, 01:16 PM

:O The thing is... theres so much kids who love Pokemon... that they adapted to playing pokemon more on DS than on 3DS, because of the 7+ warning on using 3D, parents won't let them buy a 3DS, forcing Nintendo to keep Pokemon on the DS era, And you people that were begging for a real Pokemon game, It makes lots of sense, doesn't it...

Smow · 05-11-2012, 02:59 PM

Well battle-wise I think its time for Pokemon to make the jump to 3D. I still have trouble seeing how random battles will be initiated in a 3D world unless they make it like the cartoon and Pokemon can be found wandering randomly. I think for Pokemon to make the full jump to 3D would require fundamental changes to the series that I am not sure Nintendo is ready/willing to make.

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 03:04 PM

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I still have trouble seeing how random battles will be initiated in a 3D world

Eh? Look at any 3D JRPG that has safe zones on maps where battles do not occur. I.e, the roads in Final Fantasy 8. It would function exactly as it does now, except the terrain would looks less like a grid. As soon as you enter the tall grass random battles occur. It doesn't get much simpler.

Tommi · 05-11-2012, 03:47 PM

It's gonna be a hard task for Ninty to get the balance right and please everyone, I don't envy them!

We've become so used to our 2.5D Pokemon games that a full 3D game is gonna be a massive change.

They really need to get the Pokemon sprites or 3D models right, they are very important and what made the Gamecube games and their blocky models not as appealing. At least to me anyway.
The environments will be the most challenging, whether to keep them similar to how they are now, just with added 3D 'depth', or make it more third person.

Ran08 · 05-11-2012, 04:15 PM

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It's gonna be a hard task for Ninty to get the balance right and please everyone, I don't envy them!

We've become so used to our 2.5D Pokemon games that a full 3D game is gonna be a massive change.

They really need to get the Pokemon sprites or 3D models right, they are very important and what made the Gamecube games and their blocky models not as appealing. At least to me anyway.
The environments will be the most challenging, whether to keep them similar to how they are now, just with added 3D 'depth', or make it more third person.

Yeah, most of us have.

And yet we keep asking for a change, I guess it's because it's bound to happen soon anyway.

If they make the whole game 3D, I think that's going to change drastically.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 04:27 PM

I would love 3D Battles, but honestly, the random encounters are a good thing. If you could see Pokemon in the grass, that would totally ruin the fun that is, Pokemon. I mean, even if it was just the grass moving, it would still ruin it. There's reasons They sell Max repel.

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 04:34 PM

But the grass already moves.

Oh noes, ruined FOREVER!

Smow · 05-11-2012, 04:46 PM

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I would love 3D Battles, but honestly, the random encounters are a good thing. If you could see Pokemon in the grass, that would totally ruin the fun that is, Pokemon. I mean, even if it was just the grass moving, it would still ruin it. There's reasons They sell Max repel.

Yea but imagine walking through the woods to happen upon a Heracross clinging to a tree, or a school of Tentacool swimming by you while surfing on your Pokemon during a bright and sunny day, or having Ghastlies scaring and confusing you in a haunted mansion. Imagine how much cooler running into roaming lengendaries would be if everything was free-form 3D, having Suicune grazing on grass as you try to sneak upon it.

Now I mentioned that, maby a small sneaking mechanic can be employed to "entrap" pokemon into a forced battle.

The possibilities for new forms of encounter and exploration grow tremendously with the world becoming fully 3D. Now the question begs to ask would Nintendo green-light such radical changes to the basic formula? I believe they will eventually have to at some point, the template from Red and Blue has barely changed, and it would inch the series closer to finally having its first MMO. Mabye Nintendo could use this style for a Pokemon MMO that would be exclusive to consoles while keeping the Red-Blue style intact for hand-held systems. That i would love to see and make me a giddy 7-year old all over again.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 05:01 PM

But thats the thing, It's not Pokemon then.....The whole point of Pokemon is adventure and mystery. There's a reason why shiny pokemon are so hard to get....

Smow · 05-11-2012, 05:14 PM

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But thats the thing, It's not Pokemon then.....The whole point of Pokemon is adventure and mystery. There's a reason why shiny pokemon are so hard to get....

But the grass system limits the sens of awe, wonder, and excitement Nintendo can capture with the series if it went to full 3D. Admittingly, some elements of surprise will be lost because of the visual cues, but the gains ultimately far outweigh the losses.

If you so wish, Max Repel could work per usual, causing all but the strongest of Pokemon to avoid all contact with you. They would simply scamper away.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 05:16 PM

It would be like Pokemon ranger then, I visual eyesore.

Tommi · 05-11-2012, 05:17 PM

This discussion between you two is what I mean - would Ninty risk changing the game so drastically as to alientate half of it's fans?

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 05:20 PM

Smow is correct. There's no correlation between adventure, mystery, and random battles. Random battles are necessary though, it's how the series works. However, there's no reason why a happy medium between the two can't be struck.

Pokemon already has encounters like these, with Pokemon visible on the world map. There are examples of it in every game, so this is not a new concept. 3D would just make it more interesting to see how the Pokemon interact with the environment they're placed in.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 05:27 PM

Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but I like Handheld Pokemon Games to be 2D. I like the 3D to be on the Platforms, like XD Darkness, or colloseum.

Smow · 05-11-2012, 05:30 PM

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This discussion between you two is what I mean - would Ninty risk changing the game so drastically as to alientate half of it's fans?

Because they can try this experiment on consoles. It would be the easiest sell for kids, because Nintendo would be able to advertise how it would be just like the TV show. The portable versions could stay in the same format they currently are, but there's too much potential with the series as a whole not to at least give the full 3D approach a try on consoles. All Pokemon has on consoles is random spinoffs that mostly appeal to the younger crowd, whereas hardcore Pokemon fans only have enjoy the "Colosseum" games and is the only form of enjoyment they can have with the series on consoles.

I could go on and on with "imagine if" scenarios, but now that technology is reaching the point that Nintendo can successfully emulate the cartoon show, why should they let so much potential go to waste? We have hundreds of creatures who each are different in their own ways, some with supernatural abilities and attributes that can not be fully expressed with the system employed on portables. I think that instead of "making Red and Blue for consoles," Nintendo can differentiate the console game enough by employing it in a MMO style so that the game can stay on consoles without ever encroaching on the portable games; and with the Wii U's power, controller, and (supposedly) improved internet capability this vision can be fully realized. And ofcourse a single-player mode could be included for those without service.

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 05:30 PM

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Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but I like Handheld Pokemon Games to be 2D. I like the 3D to be on the Platforms, like XD Darkness, or colloseum.

Don't let nostalgia hold you back, the old games will always be there for you to play. Change is important, and remaining stagnant can only hurt the series.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 05:36 PM

Maybe so.........Anyway, not to be OT, but I found an awesome Pokemon meme.http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/upl...-tallgrass.jpg

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 05:41 PM

Haha, Pokemon is full of valuable advice.

Rascal0302 · 05-11-2012, 05:58 PM

I don't like the way you worded your poll, so I voted no. Even though I'd love to see a real Pokemon game play like Gale of Darkness did, I don't think it would absolutely make it better.

But yeah, I want a 3D Pokemon badly. They could remake Firered with 3D graphics and I'd eat it up and then some.

PikMan · 05-11-2012, 06:00 PM

No stupid lava mountain though....

ZeroMaverick · 05-11-2012, 06:15 PM

Man. You guys. Nintendo will never make the Pokemon game you all want.

I want an HD open world Pokemon game that LOOKS similar to Skyrim in terms of visual quality.
It would be amazing.

BluePikmin11 · 05-11-2012, 06:19 PM

I want Bizarre place like star hill in SMRPG
to be in Pokemon :P

RurulaMoo · 05-11-2012, 08:26 PM

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Don't let nostalgia hold you back, the old games will always be there for you to play. Change is important, and remaining stagnant can only hurt the series.

Changing for the sake of changing is not improving. They have no reason to change to polygons if they can stick to sprites, which are just a different form of graphics. Gamefreak said they prefer sprites because it "shows the pokemon's characteristics more". I can agree with that, I mean, look at the 3D Pokedex. Everything looks way too plasticky. Leave polygons/graphics focus on spinoffs like XD/Colo/Stadium/Battle Revolution and the main handhelds sprites.

GrimmDark · 05-11-2012, 08:32 PM

I wanna say I agree with moo, Its not improving the over all game if you change the graphics, Unless visual is whats most important to you, now I think that if you wanna talk about improving the game, you need to talk about story line over anything else, and I think that black and white have shown that that's what going down, Its like the game told a genuine story, and a DAMN good one to in my opinion

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 09:00 PM

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Changing for the sake of changing is not improving. They have no reason to change to polygons if they can stick to sprites, which are just a different form of graphics. Gamefreak said they prefer sprites because it "shows the pokemon's characteristics more". I can agree with that, I mean, look at the 3D Pokedex. Everything looks way too plasticky. Leave polygons/graphics focus on spinoffs like XD/Colo/Stadium/Battle Revolution and the main handhelds sprites.

Change for the sake of change is not what is being suggested. If you have played the recent games then you have seen the limitations of the sprites used within the game, and there is obvious room for improvement when it comes to scaling an animation.

Thank you for the lesson on the difference between 2D and 3D graphics though, I may never have been able to figure that out on my own!

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I wanna say I agree with moo, Its not improving the over all game if you change the graphics, Unless visual is whats most important to you, now I think that if you wanna talk about improving the game, you need to talk about story line over anything else, and I think that black and white have shown that that's what going down, Its like the game told a genuine story, and a DAMN good one to in my opinion

It is a fallacy if you believe that graphical changes cannot improve a game when the visual aspect is just as important a point as the gameplay aspect. Nobody is expecting 1080p HD Pokemon but there is always room for improvement in every area of a particular medium.

jAsonTheGreat · 05-11-2012, 09:04 PM

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Man. You guys. Nintendo will never make the Pokemon game you all want.

I want an HD open world Pokemon game that LOOKS similar to Skyrim in terms of visual quality.
It would be amazing.

why skyrim? that game is ugly :S

RurulaMoo · 05-11-2012, 10:38 PM

[QUOTE=Tekka;730160]Change for the sake of change is not what is being suggested. If you have played the recent games then you have seen the limitations of the sprites used within the game, and there is obvious room for improvement when it comes to scaling an animation.

Thank you for the lesson on the difference between 2D and 3D graphics though, I may never have been able to figure that out on my own!

Of course, I'd rather have higher res sprites(Bigger sprites takes up bigger space however, and the DS cart's limited so to make the back sprites they inflated the size to be bigger from the back.) than low res sprice. Something like Blazblue-level resolution would be wonderful

Tekka · 05-11-2012, 11:24 PM

GG style sprites would be nice, but I don't think they are good enough.

The problem with retaining sprites, even improved, hand drawn, high res sprites, is that the game has already moved into a 3D environment.

One need only look at the awkward mishmash of 2D on 3D, with 2D objects scaling and instantly switching angles as the camera moves smoothly around a 3D world, to see that it doesn't work well.

Models would solve all these jarring visual byproducts as the characters would correctly switch angles with the camera and have the same depth that the environment itself does.

Not to mention that models have the distinct advantage of not having to be redrawn every time a new animation is required. Which would be no mean feat when you consider that in the next iteration of the series we would be looking at 800+ monsters.

If the game is going to continue to make visual strides, models will eventually become a necessity; if Pokemon are ever going to do more than loop a single animation while being moved around the screen to give the impression that they are attacking or being hit.

Smow · 05-12-2012, 12:25 AM

As a Nintendo fan, I can appreciate the fact that graphics are not the most important aspect of a video game; but they also make certain types of gameplay possible. What I feel like people are missing is the fact that the series can thrive in 3D on consoles in ways the portable games could never achieve in its current state. Think about it, Nintendo can bring Pokemon fans an experience akin to what Ash and company experience on the TV show with capable 3D graphics. I'm not saying that the series is crappy as it is on portables, it just doesn't convey the experience advertised by show. Pokemon is more than a race to beat the elite four and a statfest hardcore players get sucked into, it's about exploring new lands, encountering new creatures, unlocking hidden secrets, and enjoying the experience with friends: something that can be better realized on a powerful console such as the Wii U with the controll possibilities presented by the Wii U controller.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 12:29 AM

Switching the main series to the Wii U seems unrealistic. The core series is built on portability... It wouldn't make sense to change it so drastically.

Smow · 05-12-2012, 12:44 AM

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Switching the main series to the Wii U seems unrealistic. The core series is built on portability... It wouldn't make sense to change it so drastically.

If you re-read my previous posts, I never said the main series should be moved to consoles. I suggested the portable games continue their evolution, while consoles handle the new style of Pokemon I am trying to convey. I'm essiently trying to paint Pokemon in a 3D MMO style that could only be done on consoles.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 12:53 AM

Oh ok. But everyone else is talking about the handheld games.

Jex · 05-12-2012, 01:07 AM

Off topic-My friend is getting a small dog and dying it's hair Growlithe colored ^^.

OT-I'm sure the next pokemon game will be in 3d

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 01:18 AM

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Off topic-My friend is getting a small dog and dying it's hair Growlithe colored ^^.

OT-I'm sure the next pokemon game will be in 3d

My old chow used to look like a growlith

Icebreaker6 · 05-12-2012, 01:21 AM

Pokemon with Skyward Sword art style on the 3DS. My body is ready Nintendo.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-12-2012, 01:24 AM

okay here is my second question everyone. For those of you that prefer the pixels. Would you still buy it if it was in 3D?

I'm wondering if that would be a deal breaker.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 01:31 AM

yea, but that's not going to make it a better game

Silver · 05-12-2012, 02:17 AM

I loved 2D until B/W its why I hate PkMn sprites suck story line sucks
now I want 3D since they screwed the 2D

Jex · 05-12-2012, 03:12 AM

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I loved 2D until B/W its why I hate PkMn sprites suck story line sucks
now I want 3D since they screwed the 2D

.....It had the most developed and immersive story of any main pkmn game though.....

Acecombat · 05-12-2012, 10:48 AM

I easily get sick when playing games, so I definitely prefer the 2D view better. Would it be a good idea for them to move on with more polygons? If they did, the "fanboys" would be in an uproar. (Mostly kidding of course) :P

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 11:01 AM

The fanboys are always in an uproar. Omg, new pokemon designs are teh suck! There should never be more than 151 pokemon! Kanto is the shiz! New stuff is the devil!

Rascal0302 · 05-12-2012, 12:37 PM

Woah woah, people actually think real 3D graphics are better than sprites? At a Nintendo site??!!!?

Wow...I love them both, but sprites are NO different. That's like those idiots saying realistic graphics are better than cel-shaded. Each have there own strengths and weakness'. Sprite-based games typically capture the soul of a game much better. 3D can be very generic at times, even the very detailed games, but even low-res sprites have something special about them.

I would love a 3D Pokemon, I really would. But they could stick with sprites and I wouldn't give a single cluck. I love the sprites, they have so much more soul than Pokemon from XD: Gale of Darkness or the Pokedex 3D.

Ran08 · 05-12-2012, 01:44 PM

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Woah woah, people actually think real 3D graphics are better than sprites? At a Nintendo site??!!!?

Wow...I love them both, but sprites are NO different. That's like those idiots saying realistic graphics are better than cel-shaded. Each have there own strengths and weakness'. Sprite-based games typically capture the soul of a game much better. 3D can be very generic at times, even the very detailed games, but even low-res sprites have something special about them.

I would love a 3D Pokemon, I really would. But they could stick with sprites and I wouldn't give a single cluck. I love the sprites, they have so much more soul than Pokemon from XD: Gale of Darkness or the Pokedex 3D.

I second that! I love Pokemon enough that I wouldn't care whether they make it 3D or 2D; I'd still buy it. Besides, I've always enjoyed 2D. It didn't make Pokemon less amazing than if it was 3D. So... I don't mind at all.

matus98 · 05-12-2012, 05:26 PM

I think that you people are forgetting which type of game Pokemon is. Is a strategy game. If they turn it into 3D it would stay somehow like Zelda 3D games. They don't want to make that. I think that the bird view will be a part of pokemon games soul forever. It's a characteristic that makes it to be different of all the other games. But of course there are some things that they could power up. The battls should be more realistic, the cutscenes should be different from the rest of the game like in professor layton, we should be able the costumize our character, All the citys should be more like that giant city in B/W...
Honestly they shuld upgrade the graphics like they did in Super Pokemon Rumble. Did you see how graphically the environment was? Now make it a little bit more realistic, more open, bigger, and it will be fine.
But of course, any pokemon game would be great in 3D or in 2D. So I simply don't care.

And now you people say that we are in a season of evolution, and everything should be upgraded,, and bla bla bla... But I think that some things should stay in some way forever!!

Greetings,
Matus98

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 05:30 PM

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I think that you people are forgetting which type of game Pokemon is. Is a strategy game. If they turn it into 3D it would stay somehow like Zelda 3D games.

What logical process are you using to come to this conclusion? Replacing a sprite with a model does not fundamentally change the structure of gameplay. That's just crazy.

matus98 · 05-12-2012, 05:46 PM

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What logical process are you using to come to this conclusion? Replacing a sprite with a model does not fundamentally change the structure of gameplay. That's just crazy.

I'm talking about changing the entire game to 3D, not the sprites, I'm sorry if you didn't understand that. I'm responsible for what I say not for what you undestand. Oh and I'm not crazy, I'm simply giving my opinion like everybody else. If you have a closed mind, that's your problem. You are the crazy one. Not me. I respect the other opinions.

HotelSoap! · 05-12-2012, 06:36 PM

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Zelda went down-hill after Link to the Past. The DS games were fine though.

Anywho, either make high-rez sprites or just get 3D models already. Luckily, they seem to be making 3D models for that Pokedex+ 3D.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 06:44 PM

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I'm talking about changing the entire game to 3D, not the sprites, I'm sorry if you didn't understand that. I'm responsible for what I say not for what you undestand. Oh and I'm not crazy, I'm simply giving my opinion like everybody else. If you have a closed mind, that's your problem. You are the crazy one. Not me. I respect the other opinions.

The rest of the game is already 3D, sorry if you've neglected to play any of them recently. But your opinion is ill informed, badly written, and makes no sense.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 07:02 PM

Man Tekka you sure do like to start fights huh?

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 07:11 PM

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Man Tekka you sure do like to start fights huh?

Says the guy intentionally picking one with me right now? Again.

I'm not starting any fights.

If someone says something that doesn't make sense, we should just let it go? Allow people to continue saying stupid things without challenging them to think and improve themselves? It's too much to ask for people to think things through logically? Instead of rambling on with a deluge of nonsensical sentences, and present thoughtful posts that don't rely entirely on emotion?

Opinions are all well and good, but if you don't put any thought into them, they're worthless.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 08:15 PM

you say your not starting fights and yet you just said that any opposing opinions to yours are worthless, you are the one not listening to people man, just learn to agree to disagree man

3dude · 05-12-2012, 08:19 PM

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you say your not starting fights and yet you just said that any opposing opinions to yours are worthless, you are the one not listening to people man, just learn to agree to disagree man

The reason he gave for the opinions being 'worthless' was not because they disagreed with him.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 08:20 PM

ok, so what exactly being driven by emotion in there arguements?

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 08:24 PM

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you say your not starting fights and yet you just said that any opposing opinions to yours are worthless, you are the one not listening to people man, just learn to agree to disagree man

FFS. Selective reading, much? That is NOT what I said. If you're not even going to bother paying attention to the details of a discussion, why bother taking part?

3dude · 05-12-2012, 08:28 PM

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ok, so what exactly being driven by emotion in there arguements?

Well, you have someone going off the rails talking about how hes not talking about the battle sprites being 3d in his pokemon... But the overworld....

However....

Its already been that way.

Clearly his rantings arent based on logic or reality.

Lucky#13 · 05-12-2012, 08:30 PM

I completely understand what he's saying.

I personally don't completely agree, but it does make sense. I don't think that the gameplay will necessarily have to change.

And Tekka, it really does look like you're trying to start a fight.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 08:33 PM

Challenging a statement isn't starting a fight, it's initiating a discussion. Exactly as we're doing right now.

Kiryu · 05-12-2012, 08:39 PM

I love Sprites and Polygons.
Whatever works for me.

There's good example for Epic Mickey 2 are on Polygon (For Console), and Sprite (3DS).

Pokemon are only game that should keep use sprites in main series. I'm looking for HIGH-Polished Sprite like Devil Survivor: Overclocked 3DS.

Lucky#13 · 05-12-2012, 08:39 PM

I was just saying that's what it looked like, from my perspective.

Metspride129 · 05-12-2012, 08:41 PM

i would absolutely love one

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 08:44 PM

Starting fights is not my intent. If someone makes a statement that is quite clearly wrong or nonsensical, they should be prepared to be called out on it. I would expect no special treatment when I lapse into hyperbole either.

But, I will admit to being somewhat aggressive, especially when talked down to. It's a pride response.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 08:46 PM

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Starting fights is not my intent. If someone makes a statement that is quite clearly wrong or nonsensical, they should be prepared to be called out on it. I would expect no special treatment when I lapse into hyperbole either.

But, I will admit to being somewhat aggressive, especially when talked down to. It's a pride response.

and yet I thought you said it was their opinion, so your saying if someone disagrees with you they are wrong?

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 08:51 PM

Again, you demonstrate your lack of comprehension. Opinions are not created equal. They can be ignorant, they can be silly, and they can be wrong, depending on the sentence structure and the context.

This,

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I think that you people are forgetting which type of game Pokemon is. Is a strategy game. If they turn it into 3D it would stay somehow like Zelda 3D games.

Is NOT subjective opinion. This is a definite statement that is erroneous and unfounded. There is a clear difference between a casual opinion and a statement of perceived fact.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 09:00 PM

I agree with you on that point, but when you say "If someone makes a statement that is quite clearly wrong" that is a very umbrella and unspecific statement

3dude · 05-12-2012, 09:03 PM

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I agree with you on that point, but when you say "If someone makes a statement that is quite clearly wrong" that is a very umbrella and unspecific statement

No its not... When specific examples are given, which they were.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 09:06 PM

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No its not... When specific examples are given, which they were.

ummm, in that sentence no specific examples were given, he just said people... that's a very unspecific term... in fact its probably one of them most unspecific term there is

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 09:07 PM

No, it isn't. If I make a statement, I would be expected to be able to back up that statement with FACTS.

If it were a subjective opinion, the conversation would go like this: "I cannot say you are wrong, but I disagree with you because I feel differently."

If it is a definite statement the conversation goes like this: "That isn't true because there is no evidence to support your claim."

3dude · 05-12-2012, 09:12 PM

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ummm, in that sentence no specific examples were given, he just said people... that's a very unspecific term... in fact its probably one of them most unspecific term there is

Thats because that sentence was very clearly referencing similar hypothetical situations in which he would very clearly provide examples for... Like did for the situations that preceded it....

YOUR responses were the very NEED for him to need to use such a response anyways.

Your responses are rather strange... Detached if you will.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 09:13 PM

Be calm in arguing; for fierceness makes error a fault, and truth discourtesy

3dude · 05-12-2012, 09:14 PM

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Be calm in arguing; for fierceness makes error a fault, and truth discourtesy

....
.......

Errors are always a fault, whether fierce or passive.

The words are synonyms.

GrimmDark · 05-12-2012, 09:15 PM

I never wanted to dilute my private passion for the art by airing and arguing it in public.

Lucky#13 · 05-12-2012, 09:54 PM

.....Okay, let's get back on topic instead of arguing for the sake of arguing.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 10:00 PM

Not much else for me to say on the subject. I've presented my case the best I can, now all I can do is wait and see which direction Gamefreak decides to go in the future.

matus98 · 05-12-2012, 11:19 PM

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The rest of the game is already 3D, sorry if you've neglected to play any of them recently. But your opinion is ill informed, badly written, and makes no sense.

I'm talking about OoT 3D Tipe. B/W has got bird view.
But why can't you simply understand that what I'm trying to say is that making a pokemon game with type of graphics of OoT will change EVERYTHING in pokemon? If you don't agree, that's your problem bro. Just respect.
Oh, and if my opinion makes no sense, why don't you give a better one. Do you really think that making a game all in 3D like OoT will not change the gameplay and that stuff? C'mon, if you are saying that is because you are not thinking.
Doesn't the gameplay and that stuf of Zelda 2D games changed when they switched to 3D? Why do you think that it will be differnt for pokemon?

-.-.

Tekka · 05-12-2012, 11:30 PM

That is not what you said, and there's a still a disconnect in your logic. But, whatever. For the sake of our fellow forum goers, I will give up and let you believe whatever you want to believe. Have fun doing that.

matus98 · 05-12-2012, 11:56 PM

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That is not what you said, and there's a still a disconnect in your logic. But, whatever. For the sake of our fellow forum goers, I will give up and let you believe whatever you want to believe. Have fun doing that.

If that's not what I said it's because I said it in wrong way. I'm very sorry.

Mctron · 05-13-2012, 12:22 AM

I'm in favor of keeping the sprites but shift the camera angle of the battle to make better use of the 3ds's capabilities

Tekka · 05-13-2012, 12:25 AM

Is English not your first language? How about we go over what you said, and you can see why I take issue with it.

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I think that you people are forgetting which type of game Pokemon is. Is a strategy game. If they turn it into 3D it would stay somehow like Zelda 3D games.

Faulty Logic: Why does a change in graphical direction constitute a change in gameplay mechanics? The two are not bound together and can exist independently. The change really is as simple as changing from sprites to models.

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They don't want to make that. I think that the bird view will be a part of pokemon games soul forever. It's a characteristic that makes it to be different of all the other games.

I agree with you. Shocking, eh? Even if it goes 3D, I don't want the top down style to disappear.

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But of course there are some things that they could power up. The battls should be more realistic, the cutscenes should be different from the rest of the game like in professor layton, we should be able the costumize our character, All the citys should be more like that giant city in B/W...
Honestly they shuld upgrade the graphics like they did in Super Pokemon Rumble. Did you see how graphically the environment was? Now make it a little bit more realistic, more open, bigger, and it will be fine.

But of course, any pokemon game would be great in 3D or in 2D. So I simply don't care.

And now you people say that we are in a season of evolution, and everything should be upgraded,, and bla bla bla... But I think that some things should stay in some way forever!!

Contradictions: If the game becomes like Super Pokemon Rumble, it becomes full 3D, which you apparently don't want. This also directly contradicts your belief that a 3D Pokemon would turn into Zelda.

Second contradiction; If the games should remain the same forever, you are already throwing your earlier SPR idea out the window.

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I'm talking about OoT 3D Tipe. B/W has got bird view.
But why can't you simply understand that what I'm trying to say is that making a pokemon game with type of graphics of OoT will change EVERYTHING in pokemon?

Same Faulty Logic: Why is Pokemon turning into Zelda? Pokemon isn't going to turn into Zelda because a few more sprites get replaced! It's a graphical overhaul not a gameplay overhaul!

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If you don't agree, that's your problem bro. Just respect.
Oh, and if my opinion makes no sense, why don't you give a better one. Do you really think that making a game all in 3D like OoT will not change the gameplay and that stuff? C'mon, if you are saying that is because you are not thinking.
Doesn't the gameplay and that stuf of Zelda 2D games changed when they switched to 3D? Why do you think that it will be differnt for pokemon?

-.-.

I can't respect something that doesn't make sense. But moving on from that, if you look through my posts on this issue in this thread, and in the original Black and White thread, you will see that at no time have I ever asked for Pokemon to adapt an OoT play style. It baffles me where this insinuation that I'm somehow involved in this proposal has come from.

Yes, Zelda changed playstyles when it switched to 3D, but that is not just as a result of graphical changes. Regardless! Pokemon is not Zelda, the Pokemon team is not the Zelda team. It would be different because they are drastically different games already. 3D Zelda games are an adaptation of the adventure genre, Pokemon does not function like Zelda despite both having top down RPG-esque heritage.

Look at The Adventure of Link! A game that completely threw away the top down perspective and was still very 2D. Pokemon has never done that, and why should it?

They are and will continue to be different... And that, as Mr. Colbert says, is the word.

3dude · 05-13-2012, 12:38 AM

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I'm talking about OoT 3D Tipe. B/W has got bird view.
But why can't you simply understand that what I'm trying to say is that making a pokemon game with type of graphics of OoT will change EVERYTHING in pokemon? If you don't agree, that's your problem bro. Just respect.
Oh, and if my opinion makes no sense, why don't you give a better one. Do you really think that making a game all in 3D like OoT will not change the gameplay and that stuff? C'mon, if you are saying that is because you are not thinking.
Doesn't the gameplay and that stuf of Zelda 2D games changed when they switched to 3D? Why do you think that it will be differnt for pokemon?

-.-.

there are a great many games with a camera system and pov like oot that are nothing like oot.

Pokemon is not, nor has it ever been a real time action adventure game.

The differences are entirely to vast for your comparison.

Changing the camera isnt going to turn pokemon into an action adventure game.

It will only turn it into a far more attractive looking pokemon game.

There is absolutely no need to change Pokemons mechanics because there is now a more attractive looking third person camera. The difference would be purely cosmetic.

It is worlds apart from zelda, and the complexity that demanded those changes when zelda went 3d.

Simply put, the style of pokemons game mechanics is so simplistic that it doesnt need to accomodate a change to 3d perspective.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-13-2012, 04:37 AM

I think Matus95 is under the impression that Zelda was an RPG before OoT...

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Yes, Zelda changed playstyles when it switched to 3D, but that is not just as a result of graphical changes. Regardless! Pokemon is not Zelda, the Pokemon team is not the Zelda team. It would be different because they are drastically different games already. 3D Zelda games are an adaptation of the adventure genre, Pokemon does not function like Zelda despite both having top down RPG-esque heritage.

not really, the basics of the game didn't really change From aLttP to OoT, in fact in many ways they are very similar, really the biggest thing that changed was the fact that they could add layer puzzles and cutscenes.

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And now you people say that we are in a season of evolution, and everything should be upgraded,, and bla bla bla... But I think that some things should stay in some way forever!!

Video games better change over time otherwise why would I buy new games?

EDIT: oh and just going to throw it out there. MAKE TWO (or three) SAVE FILES. come on really, this is 2012!

Tekka · 05-13-2012, 07:01 AM

I would argue that it is these layers that did fundamentally change Zelda forever. The game could have remained on a flat plane like its predecessors, but instead chose to take advantage of entire interactive 3D environments, making you climb about and such, and deal with threats from all angles. The basic control scheme certainly changed, especially in regards to attacking effectively.

We're splitting hairs, I know, but it was always a pretty big change for me. So much so that I initially struggled to get to grips with how differently OoT handled. That's all beside the point though, and is a discussion for another thread.

Multiple save files in Pokemon? Blasphemer...

I dunno about that, it's not something I can see them doing even though it's obviously possible. I feel we'll be stuck with a single save for the foreseeable future.

PikMan · 05-13-2012, 07:08 AM

I hated 2D Zelda...If it wasn't for The Ninty 64, i wouldn't be playing zelda today.

Tekka · 05-13-2012, 07:09 AM

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I hated 2D Zelda...If it wasn't for The Ninty 64, i wouldn't be playing zelda today.

WHAT?! You like something NEWER?! Who are you and what have you done with PikMan?!

PikMan · 05-13-2012, 07:14 AM

Sorry....I should clarify. I don't hate all 2d zelda's. I found the first one Frustrating because of the visual mind explosion going through my mind while playing it. I also hate 2d fighter's because it's near impossible to dodge.(You can't move in 3D Motions.)

Tekka · 05-13-2012, 07:15 AM

Not sure if serious...

PikMan · 05-13-2012, 07:26 AM

And you will never know!!!!!!

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-13-2012, 07:55 AM

I love how the people who are against the change to 3D are the ones who brought up Zelda considering aLttP was amazing but OoT ended up pushing the series over the edge.

Apparently OoT is considered by most to be the best game ever made (myself included, probably the only game I beat over 30 times) and aLttP is consider the 5th best game. so If anything Zelda proves that 3D can work very well for a series.

The Top 10 Best / Greatest Video Games of All Time
here is my source on the stats, apparently they used an algorithm, they are pretty vague on that.

anyway, Zelda aside my biggest argument for why Pokemon for the 3DS should be in 3D is the fact that fans will likely buy the game either way, so the change doesn't cut down on that market (which at this point really is their majority market) but if it was moved to 3D this market could be extend to those who feel the series hasn't changed enough to warrant buying the new games.

PikMan · 05-13-2012, 07:59 AM

That seems about right. I do like majora's mask better though.

Lucky#13 · 05-13-2012, 02:17 PM

I would love to see more than 1 save file. It will never happen though.

MisterKorman · 05-14-2012, 01:40 AM

I'm happy with the style introduced in Pokemon White Version and Pokemon Black Version.

Aaros · 05-14-2012, 03:16 AM

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I love how the people who are against the change to 3D are the ones who brought up Zelda considering aLttP was amazing but OoT ended up pushing the series over the edge.

Apparently OoT is considered by most to be the best game ever made (myself included, probably the only game I beat over 30 times) and aLttP is consider the 5th best game. so If anything Zelda proves that 3D can work very well for a series.

Zelda is a different case, though. The 3D allowed for a new way to play the game; in the third dimension. This made it have a different sense of appeal, but the same basic idea of "adventure".
Because Pokemon's gameplay style hasn't changed since the beginning, it is highly unlikely a 3D graphic overhaul would change the gameplay like it did for Zelda. The only thing changing would be aesthetics, and perhaps overworld movement.

I myself like the sprites, as long as they don't go back to still images I'm fine with them. I don't really know if they could emnate "pocket monsters" if they imitated something like the Stadium and Colosseum titles, but perhaps a mix of both handheld and console titles? I could see it.

chicagocubsfan · 05-14-2012, 06:11 AM

3D won't change Pokemon at all. Don't try to fix what's working. I am fine with 3D models for the spinoff games but don't touch my 2d sprites for the main games.

Sword · 05-15-2012, 02:20 PM

The 3D models in Pokedex 3D looks great.
The new pokedex coming to the 3DS will have all 600+ pokemon in 3D so that means there's no doubt the next pokemon game will use these 3D models.

3dude · 05-15-2012, 02:38 PM

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The 3D models in Pokedex 3D looks great.
The new pokedex coming to the 3DS will have all 600+ pokemon in 3D so that means there's no doubt the next pokemon game will use these 3D models.

That makes way too much sense to happen.

ZouX · 05-15-2012, 10:47 PM

I wouldn't really care if that happened, it would make pokemon better in my opinion.

Floorless · 05-15-2012, 11:12 PM

Should Pokemon on the 3DS use polygon graphics?
Yes

But not for the character models. These should remain beautiful pen and paper / hand drawn art. Everything polygon these days is way to mainstream, one of the refreshing aspects of the Pokemon series is that we still get nice hand drawn characters. Processing power can be focused more on making a beautiful world to go with.

I don't mind polygon based side games (Colosseum, Snap, XD) , but the main series should improve on the anime feel. I would like to see much higher resolution art (Like the global link / dream world)

I will lose interest if it loses the anime touch.

Tekka · 05-16-2012, 12:22 AM

If you want to see the anime style mimicked more closely, sticking with 2D is the least effective way of doing that. You won't see any varied angles or any of the runs, jumps, dodges, and hits you do in the anime if you stick with hand drawn monsters, for the simple fact that the amount of animation required is a massive hindrance.

Not to mention the limited use flat plane characters can have in the rest of the game when they can only be viewed from two angles.

sedasi · 05-16-2012, 01:51 PM

Isn't anime style basically 2d?

Tekka · 05-16-2012, 02:09 PM

Traditionally, anim? has indeed been flat layered animation. However, the assertion that anim? = only 2D is wrong. Its visual style has been applied to 3D movies and games for years upon years. There are a few quite famous ones which I'm sure you've heard of.

Furthermore, even if the goal were to entirely replicate the Pok?mon anim?'s flat visual style, there are various methods of achieving this using versatile models instead of relying on hand drawn character sprites or flash style animation.

One of my favourite games of recent years gives us an example of how this is done extremely well. Valkyria Chronicles.

Kerimblue13 · 05-17-2012, 12:25 PM

Dang people, can we just try it? If it doesn't work, they can go back to 2D. But honestly, if they keep all the basic game mechanics the same and don't dumb it down, there is no way polygons will ruin it.

GrimmDark · 05-17-2012, 02:19 PM

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Dang people, can we just try it? If it doesn't work, they can go back to 2D. But honestly, if they keep all the basic game mechanics the same and don't dumb it down, there is no way polygons will ruin it.

were not saying they are going to ruin it, were saying, it doesn't mean the game is going to be better because of it

RurulaMoo · 05-22-2012, 03:06 AM

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Dang people, can we just try it? If it doesn't work, they can go back to 2D. But honestly, if they keep all the basic game mechanics the same and don't dumb it down, there is no way polygons will ruin it.

It's not as if we all say "Ooh we should all switch to 3D!" then Gamefreak will automatically make their next game in 3D.

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 03:11 AM

I think they should make a "Demo" In 3D Poly's, and if people like it, they will come out with it the next year or so.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 03:34 AM

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I think they should make a "Demo" In 3D Poly's, and if people like it, they will come out with it the next year or so.

That's kind of silly, firstly they would never release a demo before a trailer and if they release a trailer people will expect the game which means they couldn't just pull it.

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 03:36 AM

They do it with TV all the time. Ever hear of "Pilot Episodes." They see if people like the show first, then if it "Takes off", They make it permanent.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 03:38 AM

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They do it with TV all the time. Ever hear of "Pilot Episodes." They see if people like the show first, then if it "Takes off", They make it permanent.

video games do not equal television. besides you are talking about people trying to make a show who aren't in the big business of doing it, you can't compare that to Nintendo.

Minato Namikaze · 05-22-2012, 03:39 AM

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They do it with TV all the time. Ever hear of "Pilot Episodes." They see if people like the show first, then if it "Takes off", They make it permanent.

Not necessarily. Shows can be popular at first but then die down. So they run out of "fuel" and "crash". Therefore, the shows aren't permanent.

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 03:40 AM

Yes, your right there. Forgive me if I'm using ill typed words. I'm very very tired.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 03:44 AM

I'm just saying people would freak out if one of the top franchise games suddenly dropped off the face of the earth, it would become one of those lost betas like Zelda 64, or Star Fox 2, or Earthbound 64.

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 03:47 AM

Zelda 64? Didn't that work out perfectly? I think the worst possible "Lost Beta" would be Kirby's air ride.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 03:49 AM

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Zelda 64? Didn't that work out perfectly? I think the worst possible "Lost Beta" would be Kirby's air ride.

OoT was great, but that wasn't the first Zelda game that was going to be made for the 64

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 03:52 AM

Oh. I would like to see that game then!

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 03:53 AM

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Oh. I would like to see that game then!

wouldn't we all

part of being a lost beta is being lost.
Zelda games have a history of doing this... Watch the Wii U tech demo become one of these.

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 04:00 AM

That was clearly said not to be a game.....It was just demonstrating the HD Graphics.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-22-2012, 04:01 AM

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That was clearly said not to be a game.....It was just demonstrating the HD Graphics.

Fair enough

PikMan · 05-22-2012, 04:03 AM

I still would love to have a Pokemon RPG classic play game that looked like Pokemon XD or Colosseum. With the 3DS or WiiU's New Graphic capabilities, I can see many Opportunities for this to get made.

DaniGore · 05-30-2012, 02:54 AM

the overworld as well as the pokemon battles should be in full 3D there is no excuse not to do it

Calman · 05-30-2012, 07:04 AM

How about Real Time battles? I know it's not traditional but it makes sense if they moved it to 3D that they could have real time battles in a enclosed area.

Tekka · 05-30-2012, 08:23 AM

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How about Real Time battles? I know it's not traditional but it makes sense if they moved it to 3D that they could have real time battles in a enclosed area.

No, it doesn't make sense at all.
Moving to RTB is nothing at all like moving to full 3D, there isn't even a logical connection between the two.

Calman · 05-30-2012, 08:27 AM

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No, it doesn't make sense at all.
Moving to RTB is nothing at all like moving to full 3D, there isn't even a logical connection between the two.

Maybe I just have the gameplay of Custom Robo Arena in my head then.

sonic the frog · 05-30-2012, 03:19 PM

No it would ruin Pokemon

Tekka · 05-30-2012, 03:26 PM

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No it would ruin Pokemon

Any particular reason why you think it would?

sonic the frog · 05-30-2012, 03:31 PM

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Any particular reason why you think it would?

Because the developers said that spites give them more creativity and because
theres nothing wrong with the way it is currently

3dude · 05-30-2012, 03:49 PM

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Maybe I just have the gameplay of Custom Robo Arena in my head then.

And plus 10 points from me.

Tekka · 05-30-2012, 03:58 PM

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Because the developers said that spites give them more creativity

Not true. Their reasoning behind sticking with 2D is subjective at best, and utter nonsense when put under any kind of analysis. Here are the actual quotes:

"When you look at 2D, it's like a picture. You look at the picture, and it has some flavor to it. 3D, yes, you can make the object very realistic, but 2D is something you can put flavor into. That's what we love about 2D."

"One of the reasons for sticking with the 2D Pokemon images is, with the 2D, it really depends on who draws it. There's a lot of personality that's drawn from the 2D images, whereas with 3D, it's the same model used for everything, so the personality doesn't really come out. One of the reasons we've stuck with 2D is to get a more individual feel with it."

What is 'flavour', in this context? It's certainly not creativity as you implied.

3D models cannot have personality? What is this statement trying to tell us? 3D is inherently inferior and cannot inspire emotion? It's utter nonsense, and either the true meaning has been lost in translation or I'm not convinced he even really knows what he's saying.

Same model used for everything? How about the SAME SINGLE ANIMATION AND SPRITE used for EVERYTHING. What. Is. This. Nonsense?!

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and because theres nothing wrong with the way it is currently

Granted, but there is always room for improvement.

Davy · 05-30-2012, 07:45 PM

A main Pokemon 3D game will probably still use pixels; perhaps the battles would be like Stadium, but I think the 2D sprites are part of the Pokemon feeling.

Symbol · 05-30-2012, 11:38 PM

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Eventually Pokemon will come to the 3DS, its inevitable. And there is a pretty strong chance I won't buy it, even used.

Honestly there is really only one way Nintendo could get me to buy it. And that's is by making it 3D. Not 3D like the 3DS 3D, I mean make it more like a Modern RPG.

They have made 3D pokemon games over the years (Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Poke Park) but those were all side games. I'm just curious why they haven't decided to move the main games into 3D yet?

This was kind of a rant, I just want to know how everyone else feels on the subject, this would be a great way for Nintendo to put all the people who say "Pokemon hasn't changed over the years" (myself included) to rest.

food for thought.

These are my thoughts. I don't want another pokemon game unless it's in 3D polygons. I just haven't been as into pokemon since I lost my Heartgold with my legendaries on it. Really sucks losing pokemon that have only been released once or twice. I need the incentive of the polygons.

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Not true. Their reasoning behind sticking with 2D is subjective at best, and utter nonsense when put under any kind of analysis. Here are the actual quotes:

"When you look at 2D, it's like a picture. You look at the picture, and it has some flavor to it. 3D, yes, you can make the object very realistic, but 2D is something you can put flavor into. That's what we love about 2D."

"One of the reasons for sticking with the 2D Pokemon images is, with the 2D, it really depends on who draws it. There's a lot of personality that's drawn from the 2D images, whereas with 3D, it's the same model used for everything, so the personality doesn't really come out. One of the reasons we've stuck with 2D is to get a more individual feel with it."

What is 'flavour', in this context? It's certainly not creativity as you implied.

3D models cannot have personality? What is this statement trying to tell us? 3D is inherently inferior and cannot inspire emotion? It's utter nonsense, and either the true meaning has been lost in translation or I'm not convinced he even really knows what he's saying.

Same model used for everything? How about the SAME SINGLE ANIMATION AND SPRITE used for EVERYTHING. What. Is. This. Nonsense?!

Granted, but there is always room for improvement.

He has a point though isn't this why all games in a series look alike? It's not like you can change the art style or anything.(or at least no one ever has) Once you have a model for a character in a series it never changes. The team that is working on it has nothing to do with how the game turns out. Besides we all know that people love to see the same picture at two different angles. Being able to see the pokemon at 360 degrees would totally wreck it for me and I'm sure most fans feel the same way.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-31-2012, 12:16 AM

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Because the developers said that spites give them more creativity and because
theres nothing wrong with the way it is currently

I don't think anyone is saying there is anything "wrong" with the game style, I mean that's whole reason it caught on with Red, Blue, and Green. But that was 12 years ago, and about 15 games earlier. I can't justify buying new Pokemon games while I already have Platinum, sure maybe there are 150 or so new Pokemon but I haven't even caught all of the ones before the 5th generation.

In the end what I'm really trying to claim is that it would be far more profitable for Nintendo to change the main games to 3D on the 3DS.

I'm going to ask the question again and think hard about this, if the game was to go into 3D on the 3DS, for those of you who want the pixel, would you still buy it? Because if they just keep it the same I'm not going to buy the 3DS version.

Tekka · 05-31-2012, 12:47 AM

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He has a point though isn't this why all games in a series look alike? It's not like you can change the art style or anything.(or at least no one ever has) Once you have a model for a character in a series it never changes. The team that is working on it has nothing to do with how the game turns out. Besides we all know that people love to see the same picture at two different angles. Being able to see the pokemon at 360 degrees would totally wreck it for me and I'm sure most fans feel the same way.

Haha, totally. I see what you did there.

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I'm going to ask the question again and think hard about this, if the game was to go into 3D on the 3DS, for those of you who want the pixel, would you still buy it? Because if they just keep it the same I'm not going to buy the 3DS version.

Even though I want the game to go full 3D, I would still buy it if it doesn't, because I love Pok?mon regardless. <3

Acecombat · 05-31-2012, 01:05 AM

I hope this hasn't been said yet, but I just hope they don't move on to PORYGONS. xD

And as I said before, I'd appreciate staying 2d, if only because I often get nauseous from more 3d things. Would it be a good move to move to 3d? It'd just be an evolution of a series. I guess it'd kind of be like the LoZ, having their 2d games and moving onto 3d with the more powerful systems.

Aaros · 05-31-2012, 03:07 AM

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I don't think anyone is saying there is anything "wrong" with the game style, I mean that's whole reason it caught on with Red, Blue, and Green. But that was 12 years ago, and about 15 games earlier. I can't justify buying new Pokemon games while I already have Platinum, sure maybe there are 150 or so new Pokemon but I haven't even caught all of the ones before the 5th generation.

In the end what I'm really trying to claim is that it would be far more profitable for Nintendo to change the main games to 3D on the 3DS.

I'm going to ask the question again and think hard about this, if the game was to go into 3D on the 3DS, for those of you who want the pixel, would you still buy it? Because if they just keep it the same I'm not going to buy the 3DS version.

Graphics won't make a game more "profitable"; You could go into technicalities about budget but personally I could care less, they've probably got a lot of cash to spare. Whether it be a 3D or 2D style, Pokemon will always have good graphics.
The gameplay of Pokemon won't change with the graphics.
So far, in all the 3D Pokemon games, the style of the 3D models has been the same. Compare Stadium to Revolution's graphics and the models are only smoothed out for Pokemon that have been there since the beginning. The movements are even the same (standing, getting hit, using moves), as far as I'm aware. The only other change from game-to-game is the graphics for the moves themselves, which aren't ever nearly as interesting as the mainstream games' animations. I guess my problem here is that we wouldn't see much of a change.
Games like Zelda take artistic liberty with style from game to game, but I don't see Pokemon doing that anytime soon, especially with the anime restricting it from changing much. Also, people like familiarity; you can't make a 3D Mickey Mouse iconic when 2D already has its place in history.
I'd still buy new Pokemon games regardless of what the graphics are made from.

PikMan · 05-31-2012, 03:11 AM

Why not? It works with CoD.

d0ct0rscarecr0w · 05-31-2012, 06:17 AM

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Graphics won't make a game more "profitable"; You could go into technicalities about budget but personally I could care less, they've probably got a lot of cash to spare. Whether it be a 3D or 2D style,

did you even read my argument?

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I'd still buy new Pokemon games regardless of what the graphics are made from.

which proves my point, those in favor of the 2D graphic all say they would still buy it, but, the majority of the people in favor of the 3D graphics won't.

Also, I'm not asking for any gameplay changes because that comes with entering new territory. Does anyone honestly think that if they switched to 3D the formula could or would stay exactly the same? What series has ever kept the same formula going from 2D to 3D?

The game will always sell to the major fans, but it probably won't be long before that's all the Pokemon games have. Currently Pokemon is in the same category for me as The Sims and Football and Baseball games, the fan will always buy each installment, but everyone else buys one copy and never has to buy again, but hey it works for them so why bother evolving.

Tekka · 05-31-2012, 08:19 AM

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Graphics won't make a game more "profitable";

Off topic, but this is just plain wrong. Simple fact of the matter; graphics sell games. It has been something of a mantra of the Nintendo crowd of late that graphics don't matter if the gameplay is good, which is great, and it makes me happy to know that there are people out there who still appreciate actual games over barely interactive movies and button mashers.

But in this case, it's a step too far. Graphics do sell games. How often have you seen something with a tagline that promotes a game or console's "stunning visuals"? I'm willing to bet quite often, especially in the current generation.

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You could go into technicalities about budget but personally I could care less, they've probably got a lot of cash to spare.

If you're going to enter into a debate, technicalities are important. If you don't pay attention to them, entire arguments fall apart at the seams.

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Whether it be a 3D or 2D style, Pokemon will always have good graphics.
The gameplay of Pokemon won't change with the graphics. So far, in all the 3D Pokemon games, the style of the 3D models has been the same. Compare Stadium to Revolution's graphics and the models are only smoothed out for Pokemon that have been there since the beginning. The movements are even the same (standing, getting hit, using moves), as far as I'm aware. The only other change from game-to-game is the graphics for the moves themselves, which aren't ever nearly as interesting as the mainstream games' animations. I guess my problem here is that we wouldn't see much of a change.

Perception of quality is very subjective, as this thread proves, and I can't really say you're wrong because that would too arrogant on my part. But I would like to think that we've already outlined areas of the game's visuals where it falls short of the mark. Scaling, Pixelation, Camera Angles, Animation, etc. All of which would benefit universally from a switch to 3D and partially to higher resolution sprites.

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Games like Zelda take artistic liberty with style from game to game, but I don't see Pokemon doing that anytime soon, especially with the anime restricting it from changing much.

The anime restricts the games, how? Even if the game were to aspire to be more like the anime, 3D could make it more like the anime, as I've already outlined previously. You can do a lot more with models than you ever can with sprites, including replicating the anime's visual style.

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Also, people like familiarity; you can't make a 3D Mickey Mouse iconic when 2D already has its place in history.

Familiarity is great, but we shouldn't rely on it entirely, changes should and have been made to the games' visual style already. We should not be encouraging complacency for the sake of comfortable familiarity, that's the quickest way to hurry the series into stagnation.

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I'd still buy new Pokemon games regardless of what the graphics are made from.

Good!

Kevin3D · 05-31-2012, 12:59 PM

Castlevania made the transition from pixels to polygons on the 3DS. Pok?mon really can't stay behind. It would make it a lot better, a much fresher experience.

The downside however is, development would take a lot longer and more expensive (they will really need a lot of memory, employees).

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