Pikmin 3 discussion thread

**Rentaline** · 06-05-2012, 06:17 PM

Go crazy, and here's the info on it so far:

Nintendo Network at E3 2012 - Games

supergamer · 06-05-2012, 06:24 PM

Ive never played a pikman game, but if I get a wiiU, ill get it

Mensrea · 06-05-2012, 06:39 PM

Only good thing nintendo showed all conference.

Spectre · 06-05-2012, 06:39 PM

I had a feeling this day would come. Another game on my 'to get' list.

Ember Twist · 06-05-2012, 06:41 PM

The graphics look...soft.

Thingamajig · 06-05-2012, 08:28 PM

That IGN thingy said Olimar wouldn't be a playable character, and that there'd be 4 new different characters... I hope they make Olimar playable after finishing the game once, since nobody knows WHY he's unplayable (probably crash-landed somewhere with no Pikmin?), Olimar was such an awesome character...

banjo3dsie · 06-05-2012, 08:33 PM

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That IGN thingy said Olimar wouldn't be a playable character, and that there'd be 4 new different characters... I hope they make Olimar playable after finishing the game once, since nobody knows WHY he's unplayable (probably crash-landed somewhere with no Pikmin?), Olimar was such an awesome character...

So? Olimar showed no personality throughout both games. Did Olimar even show fear when he was going to die in Pikmin 1? No. He was just a bland little character.

Louie on the otherhand...
Also, its obvious the game will explain why he isn't in the game. If you pay attention, one of the characters is his son. Of course they wille explain why he is there and not Olimar.

Ixchel · 06-05-2012, 08:36 PM

Hype. Only thing selling me the system so far. Probably second favourite Nintendo exclusive, first being Pokemon.

Smeaxy · 06-05-2012, 08:38 PM

At the end of the trailer is that a flying pikmin?

banjo3dsie · 06-05-2012, 08:41 PM

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At the end of the trailer is that a flying pikmin?

I hope so.

SolarLune · 06-05-2012, 08:41 PM

YES. I turned off DJ Cutman's remix of DeadMau5's Strobe and pulled my chair in for this. The graphics look awesome. I'm surprised - I was wondering if the Wii U would actually be graphically better, but it looks like it indeed is, in addition to being HD. Nice to see.

I was also a little worried that they would force the Wiimote because of how shaky the cursor seemed during the video, but the description says that you can use the Wiimote + Nunchuk OR the gamepad, which is great. I'm buying this day 1 if I get a Wii U.

EDIT: I also like the whole idea of this "tablet controller" thing with the Wii U - could you imagine a game like Four Swords where each person gets their own inventory screens, maps, menu, etc.? A game where each person could go off and do what they want, all while playing in the same room? That is a unique idea.

Thingamajig · 06-05-2012, 08:48 PM

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So? Olimar showed no personality throughout both games. Did Olimar even show fear when he was going to die in Pikmin 1? No. He was just a bland little character.

Louie on the otherhand...
Also, its obvious the game will explain why he isn't in the game. If you pay attention, one of the characters is his son. Of course they wille explain why he is there and not Olimar.

In-game, maybe, but he showed a lot of personality through his notes (Pikmin 2). Oh, and it won't load for me, so I couldn't see Olimar's son. Glad he's there, though.

3dude · 06-05-2012, 08:50 PM

pikmin 3 shows the wii u has some SERIOUS muscle.

This game looks SLICK, even right next to the action.... And this is NOT a genre that typically looks good up close.

Very impressive.

banjo3dsie · 06-05-2012, 08:51 PM

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In-game, maybe, but he showed a lot of personality through his notes (Pikmin 2). Oh, and it won't load for me, so I couldn't see Olimar's son. Glad he's there, though.

Through his notes? He took the notes in Pikmin 1, but I didn't see that much personality in him

And his son is the blue one. I remember receiving a letter from him in Pikmin 2 saying he wants to meet a Pikmin.

Yuoke · 06-05-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by banjo3dsie View Post

So? Olimar showed no personality throughout both games. Did Olimar even show fear when he was going to die in Pikmin 1? No. He was just a bland little character.

Louie on the otherhand...
Also, its obvious the game will explain why he isn't in the game. If you pay attention, one of the characters is his son. Of course they wille explain why he is there and not Olimar.

Makes sense since they're based off of Mario and Luigi.

SmashBro202 · 06-05-2012, 09:15 PM

Finally, after 5 years (where it was originally announced as just a passing mention by Shigeru Miyamoto, but Nintendo had so little else going for it that year that it became a huge thing), Pikmin 3 material!

I'm LOVING those rock Pikmin! I hope there are more Pikmin in the game!

Also, 3 space guys... None of them look like Olimar, Louie, or the President, though. Still, it looks amazing!

Weegee · 06-05-2012, 09:30 PM

I'm hoping that they'll have 4 player story mode co-op in this game. That would, in my opinion, make this game a lot better.

As far as single player, I'll probably just be using the nunchuk and Wii Remote Plus rather than the Wii U Gamepad.

Also, just a little theory I had, perhaps this game takes place a few years after the first two Pikmin games, and at least of the new captains is one of Olimar's children?

Zuper · 06-05-2012, 10:03 PM

The reason Captain Olimar is not one of the 4 leaders is because those leaders are his family and their trying to save him. Well, that's my best guess.

But this game looks sooooo beautiful, so great to have both power and gameplay combined for Nintendo.

3dude · 06-05-2012, 10:03 PM

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I'm hoping that they'll have 4 player story mode co-op in this game. That would, in my opinion, make this game a lot better.

As far as single player, I'll probably just be using the nunchuk and Wii Remote Plus rather than the Wii U Gamepad.

Also, just a little theory I had, perhaps this game takes place a few years after the first two Pikmin games, and at least of the new captains is one of Olimar's children?

Game pad offers WAY too many features for me to not use it.

smashbunny · 06-05-2012, 10:07 PM

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PikMan · 06-05-2012, 10:29 PM

Anyone see the pink flying Pikmin? I love these Pictures: If you guy's think these graphics are bad, your on drugs. I play Both of the old Pikmin games alot and This is a Major improvement in graphics. Olimar will be in it, just not in the beginning,Miyamoto said this. My guess is you will have your own character, seeing as the characters in the trailer look to have no faces and have different suits on. It would go well with the whole customization thing that The gaming world is
doing now. Hopefully they will keep purple and white Pikmin, aswell as include another new one or 2.
I wanted to make this thread! >

Rentaline!

Ixchel · 06-05-2012, 10:41 PM

Eh I can't tell. It looks great but I'm unsure if it looks next gen or not. First image is great but the second one makes it seem like they won't use the highly textured grass in game.

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 10:44 PM

Thats a camera focusing trick. They blur out the background to make the target object(s) Look sharper.

Mensrea · 06-05-2012, 11:03 PM

Exploration: Pikmin 3 - Exploration Gameplay - E3 2012 - Pikmin 3 (Wii-u) - IGN Video

Boss Fight: Pikmin 3 - Boss Fight Gameplay - E3 2012 - Pikmin 3 (Wii-u) - IGN Video

Looks amazing, as usual. I'm beyond excited.

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:08 PM

I just hope they have the older colors, and some more.

TheMightyFludd · 06-05-2012, 11:14 PM

I want to see more of those flying pikmin and other pikmin types.

MrGame&Watch · 06-05-2012, 11:25 PM

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Anyone see the pink flying Pikmin?

I think so, I need to watch it again. It would kind of make sense to have a light pikmin that can fly(as some seeds do), opposing the heavy rock pikmin.

The game looks great to me.

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:28 PM

It's seems like they are making color blends....Pink pikmin from red and white,Purple from red and blue, White is a color base, and black is also a base......interesting. If the pattern is correct, there will be a green pikmin.

prmtyme · 06-05-2012, 11:47 PM

pikmin is a blah game to me i wont be getting the Wii-u for the game i hate the time limits which surprise make a return

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:48 PM

.....My only fellow Pennslyvanian, a Betrayer.......
Time limit is for the challenge mode. Derp.

Kiryu · 06-05-2012, 11:49 PM

Pikmin 3 is only Wii U title that I really want to buy from Nintendo.

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:55 PM

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pikmin 3 is only wii u title that i really want to buy from nintendo.

xdxdxdxdxd.

Kiryu · 06-05-2012, 11:56 PM

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xdxdxdxdxd.

Surprising huh?

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:56 PM

Nope. Just my insides are bursting from this morning!

Ixchel · 06-05-2012, 11:56 PM

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Thats a camera focusing trick. They blur out the background to make the target object(s) Look sharper.

I know. I just mean that the first image looks like either a real photo with cgi, or really good CGI, while the second isn't as highly detailed. :P I'm getting it regardless.
@

rymtym
And why hate on the time limit? It's the only thing that makes it a challenge... Having an infinite air supply/days would make it boring as hell. xD

Also wait wat. Time is only for challenge mode? Wat.

PikMan · 06-05-2012, 11:58 PM

Challange mode for Pikmin 2 featured a time limit.....The video with the time limit was of challange mode for 3. The top picture is either clay or Digital. For Pikmin one and two, the artists made the models out of clay.

Mensrea · 06-06-2012, 12:01 AM

I, for one, will be playing on the gamepad.

Ixchel · 06-06-2012, 12:01 AM

Okay I haven't played Pikmin 2 in a while so I'm just confused as to what's the difference between that and the normal days limit?

And yeah I know they make clay models. Was really apparent with Pikmin 2. I think that pic is digital though. So smooth!

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:03 AM

Yeah, it has to be digital. The Pikmin look ultra realistic in this comparing to the older ones. XD
In the first one, you had 30 in game days to complete it, or you would die. In challenge mode, you have a set time to complete that level before failing it.

Ixchel · 06-06-2012, 12:07 AM

What's odd is that they look cute when realistic! I always thought they would look scary. xD
And alright, thanks.

banjo3dsie · 06-06-2012, 12:07 AM

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pikmin is a blah game to me i wont be getting the Wii-u for the game i hate the time limits which surprise make a return

I don't think you understand how the time limits work. At the end of the time, the ingame day ends. The only problem with that is you need to get your pikmin back before they die at night. Pikmin 1 you only had 30 days, but Pikmin 2 you had unlimited days. There is no time limit!

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I just hope they have the older colors, and some more.

All old colors make a return.

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:08 AM

Even Purple and white? When did they say this? Also, anyone get a ETA on this?

prmtyme · 06-06-2012, 12:09 AM

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I don't think you understand how the time limits work. At the end of the time, the ingame day ends. The only problem with that is you need to get your pikmin back before they die at night. Pikmin 1 you only had 30 days, but Pikmin 2 you had unlimited days. There is no time limit!

All old colors make a return.

I still wouldn't buy the game just for this it isn't a must buy game in my eyes

Ixchel · 06-06-2012, 12:09 AM

I didn't see purple and white either... I hope it releases at launch! Or at least before Xmas haha. If it releases in November that's a whole month worth of a "launch window" and the game seems pretty finished.
@prmtyme:
If you never tried the first one because you misunderstood about the time, maybe you should buy the first used and try it out? Seems like you have a kid so it probably wouldn't be wasted money even if you don't like it.

And even if it's not a must-buy, it looks like it'll be one of the best Wii U games for a while.

prmtyme · 06-06-2012, 12:11 AM

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.....My only fellow Pennslyvanian, a Betrayer.......
Time limit is for the challenge mode. Derp.

i understand but it lowers the fun of the game in my book i want no time limit!!! i want to go at my own time and do what i please!

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:13 AM

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I still wouldn't buy the game just for this it isn't a must buy game in my eyes

What is wrong with you?

Smeaxy · 06-06-2012, 12:14 AM

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In addition to the five original types of Pikmin encountered in previous games, the new Rock Pikmin bring powerful new abilities and are able to crack hard outer shells of enemies and break through solid barriers.

So by the first line Purple and white pikmin are confirmed.

SOURCE: http://e3.nintendo.com/games/#/wiiu/pikmin-3

Ixchel · 06-06-2012, 12:15 AM

Who invited me? :O First group join haha.

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:17 AM

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Who invited me? :O First group join haha.

Yours truly.

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So by the first line Purple and white pikmin are confirmed.

SOURCE: Nintendo Network at E3 2012 - Games

Oops! Missed it, thanks for clarifying. Still no Date?

banjo3dsie · 06-06-2012, 12:17 AM

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Even Purple and white? When did they say this? Also, anyone get a ETA on this?

1. Nintendo Network at E3 2012 - Games 5th paragraph under "Features"

2. Reggie said in an interview that ALL WiiU games shown at E3 is either WiiU launch, or its launch window. So I'd say between 3 months of the WiiU's launch.

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I still wouldn't buy the game just for this it isn't a must buy game in my eyes

That's all right. Nothing is ever for anyone.

Kiryu · 06-06-2012, 12:18 AM

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i understand but it lowers the fun of the game in my book i want no time limit!!! i want to go at my own time and do what i please!

You don't understand the concept of game.

Mario games always have time limit...

(most of them)

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by banjo3dsie View Post

1. Nintendo Network at E3 2012 - Games 5th paragraph under "Features"

2. Reggie said in an interview that ALL WiiU games shown at E3 is either WiiU launch, or its launch window. So I'd say between 3 months of the WiiU's launch.

That's all right. Nothing is ever for anyone.

When does the U launch?

Ixchel · 06-06-2012, 12:30 AM

I don't think it's been said yet but it has to be Oct-Nov for there to be Holiday releases. Makes the most sense.

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 12:40 AM

Oscar-Mike!

3dude · 06-06-2012, 04:03 AM

I cant get over how great this game looks.

Especially for its genre. RTS tends to look great from its intended viewing point, but when the camera is brought close up to the action, the assets typically look a gen or more behind Low poly simplified characters and terrain details with low poly geometry and low res textures.... Necessary overhead for the genre. So you can have big battles with hundreds of units.

Strange that Im seeing so many people in other places comparing the games graphics with first person shooters, and graphical showpeices like uncharted....

It should be compared to games in its genre. Like Halo wars.

Cutest spartan you ever did see.

Cute as he may be though theres no denying there are more polygons in the pikmins stem and flower in pikmin 3 than in chiefs whole model.

Thats a big difference. Im impressed.

3DGabriel · 06-06-2012, 04:35 AM

ahhhhhhhhh Pikmin 3 finally now wii u is a must buy. i have to amid rock pikmin dont like. y they are a rock with a leaf on top. not cute at all.

Mensrea · 06-06-2012, 04:38 AM

I wonder what differentiates purple pikmin from rock pikmin? They seem the same. Anyway's, this game has me hyped up in a way that only zelda and metroid can usually do. Quite pumped. It's good to see that nintendo didn't throw this franchise away.

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 04:45 AM

That's what I don't get. They work in 3 like the whites worked in 2. 3 has new glass features which you need to throw rocks at to break. Just like 2 had the poison that you needed whites to break.

3dude · 06-06-2012, 11:24 AM

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That's what I don't get. They work in 3 like the whites worked in 2. 3 has new glass features which you need to throw rocks at to break. Just like 2 had the poison that you needed whites to break.

It appears the rocks are hard, while the purples are heavy.

Rocks crack and break crystaline objects, be it barriers or armor on baddies... But appear to have very little combat ability... Hitting enemies in the head appears to daze them... Couldnt see how much damage it dealt.

Purples are heavy, and strong, they weigh 10 times as much as normal pikmin, can carry 10 times as much, and throwing them on top of enemies dazes and does a lot of damage.

MythOS · 06-06-2012, 11:57 AM

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What is wrong with you?

Larry Butz (?) approves.

BluePikmin11 · 06-06-2012, 01:56 PM

Pikmin 3... was...
so cool thanks to this little dude...

It's adorable shape and it's ability to break glass makes me wanna play Pikmin 3 badly.

The Pink Pikmin, I think they had an Onion.

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 03:24 PM

I wonder what kinda rock he is....Maybe graphite, Volcano Rock?

BluePikmin11 · 06-06-2012, 03:31 PM

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I wonder what kinda rock he is....Maybe graphite, Volcano Rock?

Well it came from a strange creature...
its Pikrocknium....

PikMan · 06-06-2012, 05:46 PM

Hrm....I hope they make more figures for 3. I already have the whole Pikmin 2 set.

Added after 9 minutes:

I think it came from coal. I found this one in my backyard.

Added after 1 28 minutes:

Pink Pikmin:

PixelKnot · 06-07-2012, 04:07 AM

Pretty much the Wii U only title that has highly caught my interest so far besides ZombiU.

Nintendo made the right decision to shift this project to the Wii U. The HD visuals are undoubtly incredible.

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 04:17 AM

I a little concerned with the 4 character thing though. 2 characters was good. But controlling 4 is just to much for one person to do in my terms.

Smeaxy · 06-07-2012, 05:03 AM

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I a little concerned with the 4 character thing though. 2 characters was good. But controlling 4 is just to much for one person to do in my terms.

But that will probably mean longer days and bigger areas (which leads to more dungeons?). I mean imagine how much you can cover in one day with 4 leaders. So the places must be pretty huge

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 05:09 AM

Yeah. But, it was very annoying switching with 2 leaders already. Think of it with 4.

TheMightyFludd · 06-07-2012, 05:16 AM

I want Olimar to come back. I wonder will be on a rescue mission to retrieve him.

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 05:20 AM

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I want Olimar to come back. I wonder will be on a rescue mission to retrieve him.

That sounds strange since the ending to 2 was him and the president leaving. I thought 3 would be about Louie being the bug lord, but, oh well.

TheMightyFludd · 06-07-2012, 05:23 AM

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That sounds strange since the ending to 2 was him and the president leaving. I thought 3 would be about Louie being the bug lord, but, oh well.

It could be based a few years after the events of Pikmin 2 and for some reason Olimar went back and has gone missing.

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 05:36 AM

Maybe....Or, Louie sabotaged his ship and he crashed. Here are the 4 players;

None of them look good to me.....I might play as the general or the little kid.

06-07-2012, 05:39 AM

The little kid looks so adorable. ^^ I can't wait 'til this game's out. I've been waiting for Pikmin 3 for the longest.

Lady Palutena · 06-07-2012, 05:55 AM

Looks cool!

aRt · 06-07-2012, 06:03 AM

uh i expected the game to look better actually -__-

06-07-2012, 06:08 AM

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uh i expected the game to look better actually -__-

You expected a game that was first being developed for the Wii and then moved to the Wii U to look better? No offense, aRt, but that sounds kinda silly. You're the only person I see criticizing the game's graphics. You've said nothing positive about it. Friend or not, I think you're being ridiculous.

aRt · 06-07-2012, 06:22 AM

:'( im sorry...i just think if they want to have the first next gen. console, a lot of people expected something mind blowing like that zelda hd footage from last year or something like that

Yuoke · 06-07-2012, 08:22 AM

I'm not even interested in the game, but it's easily the first official gameplay of any game I've seen so far that looks truly next gen, as in gen 7.

3dude · 06-07-2012, 12:26 PM

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:'( im sorry...i just think if they want to have the first next gen. console, a lot of people expected something mind blowing like that zelda hd footage from last year or something like that

compare it to 360/ps3 games of the same genre, zommed in the same amount.

Youll feel better. I already showed one from a 360 game, so heres red alert 3 with the camera zoomed in as much as pikmin 3's screens.

m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVdJaMfsyIW4&v=VdJ aMfsyIW4&gl=US

Also noteworthy, thanks to the gamepad pikmin 3 renders the upclose view as WELL as a red alert style zoomed out overlook view at the same time.

banjo3dsie · 06-07-2012, 02:58 PM

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Interesting to point out the relations between the characters and the 3 main characters(Olimar, Louie, and President).

Louie wasn't married/had no kids IIRC, so perhaps his brother?
The boy looks a lot like Olimar's son minus the hair color, but assuming there is an amount of time between Pikmin's 2 and 3, he could have changed the color himself.
The girl is unknown for me. I'd say Olimar's daughter, but they don't look alike.
And finally, President? Did he have a family?

Another prediction, perhaps they came before Olimar? Making this a prequel? President seemed to learn about the planet almost immediately, and never showed any shock while at the planet. Louie seemed to have a love of bugs and survived on the pikmin planet for an extended period of time alone, WITHOUT pikmin... And Olimar seemed to grasp the concept of pikmin quickly as well. Not to mention the pikmin seemed to trust Olimar almost immediately, and Olimar seemed to know what to do quickly, almost as if he had done it before but just forgot... Maybe their ancestors arrived and told all 3 stories about the Pikmin as children?

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 03:15 PM

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:'( im sorry...i just think if they want to have the first next gen. console, a lot of people expected something mind blowing like that zelda hd footage from last year or something like that

Your kidding, right? Look at the Graphic difference between 3, and the last 2.
Graphics don't make a game. I don't understand why so many people are spoiled with them.

MisterKorman · 06-07-2012, 08:04 PM

As long as it's a fun game, I'll give it a try when I finally get around to getting the Wii U. It looks to be just as excellent as the others. (BTW, thought I'd report to Pikman, I tried out Pikmin 2, and while it's totally awesome, I prefer the first installment.)

sonic the frog · 06-07-2012, 08:08 PM

Rock Pikmin look cool

PikMan · 06-07-2012, 08:14 PM

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As long as it's a fun game, I'll give it a try when I finally get around to getting the Wii U. It looks to be just as excellent as the others. (BTW, thought I'd report to Pikman, I tried out Pikmin 2, and while it's totally awesome, I prefer the first installment.)

Really? I prefer Pikmin 2 better, as it has more puzzles, and less time under the frying pan.

With no time limit you can truly appreciate the art in all it's glory.

Ixchel · 06-07-2012, 10:10 PM

I have to confess something. I never beat the first Pikmin, which is why I barely played the second. I'm at that water level, I think it's the second to last area. I wasted two days trying to figure out what to do and I'm too stubborn to cheat xD

banjo3dsie · 06-07-2012, 10:57 PM

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I have to confess something. I never beat the first Pikmin, which is why I barely played the second. I'm at that water level, I think it's the second to last area. I wasted two days trying to figure out what to do and I'm too stubborn to cheat xD

I don't know where you are in that, but check your radar, you may be able to find something there.

Ixchel · 06-07-2012, 11:17 PM

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I don't know where you are in that, but check your radar, you may be able to find something there.

Yeah the radar does show ship parts but I'm left clueless on how to actually get them. The puzzles are kicking my butt I suppose. :P Thanks though

banjo3dsie · 06-07-2012, 11:39 PM

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Yeah the radar does show ship parts but I'm left clueless on how to actually get them. The puzzles are kicking my butt I suppose. :P Thanks though

Do you have the blue pikmin yet? If you have those then I don't really remember what the puzzles were, but if you don't have them, well then there's your problem.

**Kinvara** · 06-07-2012, 11:46 PM

Really excited for Pikmin 3. Looks excellent. Adored the first Pikmin so getting this one is a no-brainer.

(Sidenote: I still haven't gotten around to playing Pikmin 2. I waiting for the New Play Control! version.)

MrGame&Watch · 06-07-2012, 11:59 PM

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Really excited for Pikmin 3. Looks excellent. Adored the first Pikmin so getting this one is a no-brainer.

(Sidenote: I still haven't gotten around to playing Pikmin 2. I waiting for the New Play Control! version.)

You've really lucked in then, 2 new Pikmin games within months of each other, nice.

I'm glad this is one of the big launch window titles for WiiU, I love the first two and i'm definitely ready for more.

Watched the Destructoid videos with Jonathan Holmes playing the game on the show floor, it looks great and his enthusiasm for the series cracked me up.

Ixchel · 06-08-2012, 12:36 AM

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Do you have the blue pikmin yet? If you have those then I don't really remember what the puzzles were, but if you don't have them, well then there's your problem.

Yeah I do, it's literally the last or second to last area. I think I have about 20 pieces. All the monsters seriously wrecked my pikmin population as well. It's intense haha. I think I'm in the Distant Spring?
http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/The_Distant_Spring
Edit: Just wanted to make it clear I'm not exactly asking for help or anything. ^^;; Just mentioning that it gave me hell and I dropped it and still need to beat it.

banjo3dsie · 06-08-2012, 01:34 AM

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Yeah I do, it's literally the last or second to last area. I think I have about 20 pieces. All the monsters seriously wrecked my pikmin population as well. It's intense haha. I think I'm in the Distant Spring?
The Distant Spring - Pikipedia, the Pikmin Wiki - About Pikmin, Pikmin 2, Pikmin 3, and more
Edit: Just wanted to make it clear I'm not exactly asking for help or anything. ^^;; Just mentioning that it gave me hell and I dropped it and still need to beat it.

Oh yes, I was just making sure you remembered to check your radar/get the blue pikmin, I can't really say much after that anyway.

PikMan · 06-08-2012, 02:48 AM

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Really excited for Pikmin 3. Looks excellent. Adored the first Pikmin so getting this one is a no-brainer.

(Sidenote: I still haven't gotten around to playing Pikmin 2. I waiting for the New Play Control! version.)

It's better to get the GC and just play it on the wii. I played the New Play control, and didn't like it as much. Good Luck though, the 2nd ones my favorite, and the hardest!

Minato Namikaze · 06-08-2012, 03:53 AM

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It's better to get the GC and just play it on the wii. I played the New Play control, and didn't like it as much. Good Luck though, the 2nd ones my favorite, and the hardest!

I used to have Pikmin 1 but have no idea where it went, never got far in it as I was young. I want to play now but people ask for so much. I was just going to get the Wii verison of Pikmin 2 and then get Pikmin 3 for Wii U.

PikMan · 06-08-2012, 03:57 AM

Oh. In that case, buy it for the Wii. Don't pay more then 30 for it.

06-08-2012, 04:56 AM

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It's better to get the GC and just play it on the wii. I played the New Play control, and didn't like it as much. Good Luck though, the 2nd ones my favorite, and the hardest!

That's what I was gonna do, get the Gamecube version. But have you seen the prices for it? A used copy is worth more than a new 360/PS3 game and a new copy can reach over $100.

PikMan · 06-08-2012, 05:00 AM

I've gotten my 2 when they first came out, so I need not worry. I did however, pick up 1 and 2, the Japanese import versions for a whopping total of 100.

The Japanese games are so much better! The cases are cooler and the art is also.

Ixchel · 06-08-2012, 05:14 AM

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I used to have Pikmin 1 but have no idea where it went, never got far in it as I was young. I want to play now but people ask for so much. I was just going to get the Wii verison of Pikmin 2 and then get Pikmin 3 for Wii U.

How much do they ask for? Checking gamestop's site says 20 bucks for the Wii version of Pikmin. Similar prices on Amazon.

Edit: Booyah. Managed to beat the game with 5 days to spare. xD I know some people do it in like 8, but still.

That boss was tough. X_X

BluePikmin11 · 06-08-2012, 02:27 PM

Pikmin 2 first buy!

I rented Pikmin 2, the first Pikmin game I got!
Now I'm getting back for Wii

I got the original Pikmin for Wii too!
I think they did the 3 year delay on purpose!

Gamejunkie · 06-08-2012, 03:19 PM

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Pikmin 2 first buy!

I rented Pikmin 2, the first Pikmin game I got!
Now I'm getting back for Wii

I got the original Pikmin for Wii too!
I think they did the 3 year delay on purpose!

The Wii version of Pikmin 2 has been out in Japan, Europe and Australia for three years already.

PikMan · 06-08-2012, 04:29 PM

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The Wii version of Pikmin 2 has been out in Japan, Europe and Australia for three years already.

Yup! Sadly, Pikmin is not as popular in The rest of the world, as it is in Japan. In Japan, they have A Real band dedicated for Pikmin, Figures, Bikes, Plushes, Keychains, you name it.
Fun fact; The Album Strawberry Flower, which was made for Pikmin 1, Actually Outsold the game in Japan!

**Rentaline** · 06-09-2012, 04:19 AM

Pikmin 3 Video Game, E3 2012: First Take HD | Video Clip | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com

Really great video. Discusses what can be good for newcomers and what's great for vets. It's basically an appreciation video.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 04:32 AM

Thanks for the the vid!

Minato Namikaze · 06-09-2012, 04:41 AM

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How much do they ask for? Checking gamestop's site says 20 bucks for the Wii version of Pikmin. Similar prices on Amazon.

When I have seen it for sale on Kijiji, then it is usually $20-30, with scratches or no case or no manual, etc. If I buy the Wii version then I get a brand new game for $20 as its a Nintendo Select and I get a CN code. Apparently EB Games has a used copy of Pikmin 1 for GC for $10, probably will buy that too as Pikmin 1 on Wii is $30 new.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 03:32 PM

You still have Electronics Boutique?

Gamejunkie · 06-09-2012, 03:59 PM

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You still have Electronics Boutique?

When GameStop and Electronics Boutique merged they went with the former as the main company name. As there weren't any GameStops on other countries where there were Electroics Boutique stores they kept the same name there.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 04:03 PM

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When GameStop and Electronics Boutique merged they went with the former as the main company name. As there weren't any GameStops on other countries where there were Electroics Boutique stores they kept the same name there.

I've never saw Gamestops, until they flooded the East coast like roaches, and took away all the other game stores.

TheMightyFludd · 06-09-2012, 04:36 PM

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I've never saw Gamestops, until they flooded the East coast like roaches, and took away all the other game stores.

I use to go to a video game retailer called Rhinos and they sold games from NES through PS2 then when gamestop came the oldest games I could find were PS1 games.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 04:47 PM

I know.....I had this store in the mall I used to go to that had old games too! I used to go to EB Games also, but then the swarm started.
This video explains my view on GS;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EyUiHkEcYs

Mensrea · 06-09-2012, 05:00 PM

I'm going to buy pikmin 1 and 2 today, quite excited. For pikmin 3, I wish they would just make it for the gamepad. They have to limit gameplay so that it works on wii mote for some reason. They should make it on the gamepad, and work on making it more complex, with new mechanics, etc. Wii is dead, make this for wii u.

TheMightyFludd · 06-09-2012, 05:13 PM

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I know.....I had this store in the mall I used to go to that had old games too! I used to go to EB Games also, but then the swarm started.
This video explains my view on GS;Welcome To Gameshop - YouTube

lol that is so true. I was forced to preorder Mass Effect 3 and I hadnt even played the first two and I had to renew my Power Up Reward Pro card. Also never sell your games to gamestop. I sell my games on craigslist and get about 50-75% of what I payed for.

Gamejunkie · 06-09-2012, 05:17 PM

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I'm going to buy pikmin 1 and 2 today, quite excited. For pikmin 3, I wish they would just make it for the gamepad. They have to limit gameplay so that it works on wii mote for some reason. They should make it on the gamepad, and work on making it more complex, with new mechanics, etc. Wii is dead, make this for wii u.

You forget it also works with the Wii U classic controller pro. The Wii remote is not really an issue. That said I don't think gameplay using the game pad will be compromised with the other control methods being available.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mensrea View Post

I'm going to buy pikmin 1 and 2 today, quite excited. For pikmin 3, I wish they would just make it for the gamepad. They have to limit gameplay so that it works on wii mote for some reason. They should make it on the gamepad, and work on making it more complex, with new mechanics, etc. Wii is dead, make this for wii u.

It will be playable via gamepad and wiimote. You can chose either one, or you can use both, for optimum gameplay. I myself will be using both, as it will provide a new experience, and hopefully make it easier to use the map and start screen while playing.
The only reason they didn't show it at E3, is because they said they were tweaking it.

banjo3dsie · 06-09-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mensrea View Post

I'm going to buy pikmin 1 and 2 today, quite excited. For pikmin 3, I wish they would just make it for the gamepad. They have to limit gameplay so that it works on wii mote for some reason. They should make it on the gamepad, and work on making it more complex, with new mechanics, etc. Wii is dead, make this for wii u.

It uses both options, but many(including IGN) prefer to use Wii remotes over the gamepad. I personally prefer wii motes over the gamepad and can't wait to replay Pikmin 2 with wii motes soon.

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 06:47 PM

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It uses both options, but many(including IGN) prefer to use Wii remotes over the gamepad. I personally prefer wii motes over the gamepad and can't wait to replay Pikmin 2 with wii motes soon.

Way to repeat what I said!

Mensrea · 06-09-2012, 07:13 PM

What I'm saying though is that they are forcing the game to be playable by both. With more control options the gamepad could achieve more, but it will be limited because they want to make it controllable by both the wii mote and gamepad.

Gamejunkie · 06-09-2012, 07:30 PM

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What I'm saying though is that they are forcing the game to be playable by both. With more control options the gamepad could achieve more, but it will be limited because they want to make it controllable by both the wii mote and gamepad.

I don't agree. There is no reason why if it's made compatible with the Wii remote of classic control pro it will compromise the gameplay with the game pad. You're really getting concerned over nothing in my opinion. It easy for them to make different control schemes depending on the input device you use. Besides the only thing I see as important on the game pad as far as Pikmin 3 is concerned is the screen. You could make it so you could use the screen and classic controller pro or Wii remote at the same time. It's hardly a fast paced action game and relies more on strategy.

banjo3dsie · 06-09-2012, 07:33 PM

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Way to repeat what I said!

Actually, I never said what you said. I said the reason that people only are talking about the wii remotes being the main method of control because more people prefer them. Something you never said.

SmashBro202 · 06-09-2012, 07:50 PM

...I want a Red Pikmin plushie.

AWB · 06-09-2012, 08:51 PM

This hasn't been said in the last couple of pages, but I'd just like to say to the people that are complaining and saying that Pikmin 3 looks like early Xbox 360's games, look at this:
Here is FIFA 06, one of Xbox 360's launch titles:

Pikmin 3:

PikMan · 06-09-2012, 08:56 PM

Looks better.

Ixchel · 06-09-2012, 09:44 PM

From those screenshots I honestly can't tell because the styles are so different.

Anyways, that video made me want to go out and buy all the plushies @_@

SolarLune · 06-09-2012, 09:56 PM

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This hasn't been said in the last couple of pages, but I'd just like to say to the people that are complaining and saying that Pikmin 3 looks like early Xbox 360's games, look at this:
Here is FIFA 06, one of Xbox 360's launch titles:

Pikmin 3:

The bumps on the bulborb's (Not sure if that's his name) skin is really detailed. It's almost creepy how smooth the Pikmin themselves look. That strawberry's also pretty high on polygons.

Mensrea · 06-09-2012, 11:13 PM

I haven't seen any white pikmin. Those are my favorite, and I hope they are still present in pikmin 3.

Kiryu · 06-09-2012, 11:14 PM

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I haven't seen any white pikmin. Those are my favorite, and I hope they are still present in pikmin 3.

They are coming back.
It can be found in
Pikmin 3 Wii U game.

Quote:

"In addition to the five original types of Pikmin encountered in previous games, the new Rock Pikmin bring powerful new abilities and are able to crack hard outer shells of enemies and break through solid barriers."

3dude · 06-10-2012, 09:57 AM

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The bumps on the bulborb's (Not sure if that's his name) skin is really detailed. It's almost creepy how smooth the Pikmin themselves look. That strawberry's also pretty high on polygons.

Compare same genres, like rts games on 360 or ps3, in screens or videos that bring the camera in as close as these pikmin screens. A zoom hack will need to be used because devs are scared of letting you see what rts games look like up close.

The gap is even bigger.

Red Alert 3 - Close ups of Infantries - How do they really look like? - YouTube

prmtyme · 06-10-2012, 10:36 AM

I wish i could like pikmin but i just can't lol i tried pikmin one and that dreaded time limit took the fun outta the darn game

06-10-2012, 10:51 AM

Pikmin 2 Wii is out today in the US, I'm so happy. I bought my copy.

3dude · 06-10-2012, 11:25 AM

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I wish i could like pikmin but i just can't lol i tried pikmin one and that dreaded time limit took the fun outta the darn game

Sure did. Thats why they removed the time 30 day time limit after the first one

banjo3dsie · 06-10-2012, 12:55 PM

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I wish i could like pikmin but i just can't lol i tried pikmin one and that dreaded time limit took the fun outta the darn game

Pikmin 2's time limit isn't as strict, you still have to stop what you are doing to get all your pikmin at the end of each day, but you don't have a specific amount of days to beat it in.
Also, Pikmin 1's appeal nowadays is more "how many days can you beat it in?" which isn't fun for those that take their time, but I do like seeing how many days I can beat it in(My record is 18 days I believe).

PikMan · 06-10-2012, 09:34 PM

Pikmin 1 wasn't hard.....Only part in one that was hard, was the final trial level.
Pikmin 2's last level is truly hard, and definitely worth playing if you have not.

Mensrea · 06-11-2012, 06:30 AM

Pikmin is one of those nintendo franchises that gets me hyped. I enjoy most nintendo franchises, but the majority of them don't get me extremely excited. Pikmin can fall in line with the likes of zelda, 3d mario,f-zero, now kid icarus, and of course Metroid.

prmtyme · 06-11-2012, 09:44 AM

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Pikmin is one of those nintendo franchises that gets me hyped. I enjoy most nintendo franchises, but the majority of them don't get me extremely excited. Pikmin can fall in line with the likes of zelda, 3d mario,f-zero, now kid icarus, and of course Metroid.

too bad pikmin 3 alone wont sell wiiu

banjo3dsie · 06-11-2012, 03:02 PM

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too bad pikmin 3 alone wont sell wiiu

You would be surprised what sells a system sometimes.
It probably won't be selling systems, but you never know.

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Pikmin 1 wasn't hard.....Only part in one that was hard, was the final trial level.
Pikmin 2's last level is truly hard, and definitely worth playing if you have not.

Oh god I remember that level. I started with about 90 pikmin, 2 floors down I had 10. Then again I get a certain joy watching Pikmin die, that may be why...

06-11-2012, 03:13 PM

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You would be surprised what sells a system sometimes.
It probably won't be selling systems, but you never know.

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Oh god I remember that level. I started with about 90 pikmin, 2 floors down I had 10. Then again I get a certain joy watching Pikmin die, that may be why...

Oh my God, so cruel.

I get emotional when Pikmin die. I don't want to lose even a single one. I end up restarting if even ONE Pikmin dies. lol

banjo3dsie · 06-11-2012, 03:19 PM

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Oh my God, so cruel.

I get emotional when Pikmin die. I don't want to lose even a single one. I end up restarting if even ONE Pikmin dies. lol

Don't ever watch me play then. I can get pretty creative with their deaths.

That said its usually to the dumb ones like the ones that stare at the treasure/enemy/berry I want them to carry, and instead run off to pull grass for nectar...

PikMan · 06-11-2012, 04:27 PM

I only care when my Blue Pikmin die.

I had them in the corner with the last boss in Pikmin 2:

Spoiler!

**Rentaline** · 06-11-2012, 08:42 PM

Aww, no online multiplayer.

Miyamoto - Pikmin DS/3DS ideas were tested, why Pikmin 3 lacks online | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

It's understandable, but it's a real shame.

Mensrea · 06-11-2012, 09:55 PM

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Aww, no online multiplayer.

Miyamoto - Pikmin DS/3DS ideas were tested, why Pikmin 3 lacks online | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

It's understandable, but it's a real shame.

Darn, that would have made it must have. Well, there was the same speculation about kid icarus, and it did end up having online multiplayer. So there is definitely hope!

PikMan · 06-11-2012, 10:35 PM

Too bad they aren't making it for the 3DS also. I got really hyped when Miyamoto said, he would love it on the 3ds, the System transfer had Pikmin in it, and all the different Pikmin things in the 3DS. Maybe they will release a mini-game for the 3ds, like the e-reader in Japan.

Transformer · 06-12-2012, 01:21 AM

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So in the case of Mario Kart, we did have online multiplayer, and that's something that... You have to be very careful that you don't drop frames as you're trying to sync up with other players over what could be a very great physical distance, over the internet.

Amazing, isn't it Nintendo, how dozens of other companies have managed it for decades, but you still can't seem to get online multiplayer into games that would be dramatically improved by it? The Wii U should be powerful enough that this isn't ever a problem.

SolarLune · 06-12-2012, 01:21 AM

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Darn, that would have made it must have. Well, there was the same speculation about kid icarus, and it did end up having online multiplayer. So there is definitely hope!

I don't think it's possible. The only games that are online with that many moving characters are RTS games, which almost always take place in turns. Pikmin, though, is a far more fast-moving game - almost an action game, so I don't think that online play will happen. Good to see local multiplayer, though.

Jasper · 06-12-2012, 05:04 AM

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Amazing, isn't it Nintendo, how dozens of other companies have managed it for decades, but you still can't seem to get online multiplayer into games that would be dramatically improved by it? The Wii U should be powerful enough that this isn't ever a problem.

I think they may fear more for slow internet users than what the device can handle.

PikMan · 06-12-2012, 06:13 AM

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I think they may fear more for slow internet users than what the device can handle.

Yeah. Just play Kid Icarus, or Mario Open with someone that has ****ty connection, you'll find out.

Ixchel · 06-12-2012, 07:42 AM

Doesn't bother me. I can't imagine trying to play Pikmin in 2 player mode... But then again I prefer the first one so heh.

Joba · 06-12-2012, 08:38 AM

It's almost like they want people NOT to buy Wii U and this game with it..

06-12-2012, 10:13 AM

I don't understand what the problem is. Who buys Pikmin for the multiplayer experience? Because I sure as hell don't. If you're interested in the game, buy it, if not, then don't. But the whining about it not having online is as annoying as people who want online in a Zelda game. Seriously.

Yuoke · 06-12-2012, 10:31 AM

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I don't understand what the problem is. Who buys Pikmin for the multiplayer experience? Because I sure as hell don't. If you're interested in the game, buy it, if not, then don't. But the whining about it not having online is as annoying as people who want online in a Zelda game. Seriously.

Or people whining for an mmo pokemon.

Joba · 06-12-2012, 12:39 PM

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I don't understand what the problem is. Who buys Pikmin for the multiplayer experience? Because I sure as hell don't. If you're interested in the game, buy it, if not, then don't. But the whining about it not having online is as annoying as people who want online in a Zelda game. Seriously.

Zelda =/= Pikmin. You're seriously comparing those two? o.o (Four Swords on the other hand....)

A lot of people want multiplayer in Pikmin, judging from the pre-E3 hype. And if you're going to have local MP, why not make it online?! Laziness, that's why... I don't buy lazy games.

06-12-2012, 12:42 PM

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Zelda =/= Pikmin. You're seriously comparing those two? o.o (Four Swords on the other hand....)

A lot of people want multiplayer in Pikmin, judging from the pre-E3 hype. And if you're going to have local MP, why not make it online?! Laziness, that's why... I don't buy lazy games.

Pikmin is a single player experience. It was never made with Multiplayer in mind, so of course I'm going to compare it to Zelda. It's the same concept. Anything multiplayer is tacked on/on the side. It sounds absolutely ridiculous to me why people expected some great multiplayer from this game. The people who would only buy the game if it has multiplayer are the same people who most likely didn't even play the first two games. Complaining for the sake of it.

I seriously doubt most Pikmin fans care about the lack of multiplayer. It's only the vocal minority that care.

Joba · 06-12-2012, 12:46 PM

Then why did they put in co-op local multiplayer in the first place?? Makes no sense.... Sigh. All RTS's have online co-op/PvP these days.. Except Nintendo games.

06-12-2012, 12:49 PM

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Then why did they put in co-op local multiplayer in the first place?? Makes no sense.... Sigh. All RTS's have online co-op/PvP these days.. Except Nintendo games.

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Anything multiplayer is tacked on/on the side.

This isn't every other RTS. This is one made with single player ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, as I already said. Don't buy it if you don't want to, simple.

Shiransui · 06-12-2012, 01:07 PM

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Zelda =/= Pikmin. You're seriously comparing those two? o.o (Four Swords on the other hand....)

A lot of people want multiplayer in Pikmin, judging from the pre-E3 hype. And if you're going to have local MP, why not make it online?! Laziness, that's why... I don't buy lazy games.

wow your really joking right. If you really want laziness is NSMB2 and NSMBU. you cannot compare the two.

Sword · 06-12-2012, 02:15 PM

The online multiplayer is extra content for the game MANY people would've enjoyed. I don't see why there would be a problem adding it. If for you pikmin is a "single player experience" then you don't have to play it but pikmin had potential to be a great game to have online, especially in short missions like challenge mode.
It's just like starfox 64 3D again..

06-12-2012, 02:27 PM

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The online multiplayer is extra content for the game MANY people would've enjoyed. I don't see why there would be a problem adding it. If for you pikmin is a "single player experience" then you don't have to play it but pikmin had potential to be a great game to have online, especially in short missions like challenge mode.
It's just like starfox 64 3D again..

Star Fox 64 3D was unable to stand on its own two feet. There was hardly any content. Pikmin is a different story. Fail comparison.

Anyway, online isn't there, deal with it. Don't buy the game, have it sell poorly, I don't really give two ****s. I'm just glad it's coming out and I will be buying it day one.

3dude · 06-12-2012, 02:44 PM

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Zelda =/= Pikmin. You're seriously comparing those two? o.o (Four Swords on the other hand....)

A lot of people want multiplayer in Pikmin, judging from the pre-E3 hype. And if you're going to have local MP, why not make it online?! Laziness, that's why... I don't buy lazy games.

Its not laziness. Miyamoto actually gave a real valid reason. Which surprised me. Usually he doesnt really know anything about that end.

Pikmin is a rts, but its collision detection is far more in depth, as someone brought up, its hit detection is akin to an action game... While still havingvthe resource overhead of a rts.

All online rts have incredibly simple hit detection. Its not real time but stat based. Most of the time its just garunteed if a unit is in a general radius.

The position and place of EACH pikmin is VERY important.

The problem isnt hardware, its internet speed. Not what is usually considered internet speed, which is actually bandwidth. Instead of the information arriving faster, more just arrives at once.

With pikmin, the focus is just too much on each individual pikmin, and the neccesary hit detection too precise to work with bandwidth as a solution.

It needs to be actual speed of signal travel... Which just hasnt made much improvement. Its mostly all been increases in bandwidth.

Pikmin would be teleporting all over the place, with each update fixing dropped frames with resynced data, no matter how huge the bandwidth is, that will never change unless THE SPEED of the signal is increased, more rapid updates as opposed to bigger ones at the same speed.

This can be dealt with in fps, or racing, by simple path predictions, updates from frames loss arent that big of a deal, the humans playing can adapt easily.

When hundreds of pikmin start teleporting all over the place.... Its a different story. Its just not practical.

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 02:45 PM

Holy crap guys. Online multiplayer? Really?

Why the heck would you want online multiplayer for a game where its weakest aspect is its multiplayer mode! Oh this crappy challange mode that gives me the worst amounts of pikmin possible, which require you to have ALL pikmin live for the level to be truly completed, and randomizes where the key is so its possible for it to be in a really difficult spot/in a difficult enemy towards the opposite end of the map, making things take a long time with a time limit sure as hell would be much better, if I could play with people who will take half the army and kill off those pikmin online!

Sword · 06-12-2012, 02:46 PM

It's not fail comparison.
Both have loca multiplayer (which was really great) but nintendo didn't bothered to make it online. In a recent article they mentioned it was because of "lack of time" so yeah, they rushed the game, and I think its what happening to pikmin 3 too.

Don't know why you're responding everyone that haves a different opinion with that tone, but fine. Maybe if the game has poor sales nintendo will learn.

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 02:48 PM

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Maybe if the game has poor sales nintendo will learn.

I think if Pikmin sells poorly, it won't be because of multiplayer(both games made them so much $$$ that they remade both for the very next console...), but because of a WiiU related issue(not enough people buying a WiiU for instance).

Sword · 06-12-2012, 02:48 PM

I don't remember Pikmin 2's multiplayer being a weak aspect.
Maybe its just you guys that didn't have the oportunity to fully enjoy it. I probably spend the same time in both multiplayer and single player.

BTW, I'm talking about the PvP multiplayer, not the challenge mode.

06-12-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sword View Post

It's not fail comparison.
Both have loca multiplayer (which was really great) but nintendo didn't bothered to make it online. In a recent article they mentioned it was because of "lack of time" so yeah, they rushed the game, and I think its what happening to pikmin 3 too.

You compared a port of a game that lasted 1 or 2 hours with a brand new game that has actual content and called it laziness for not including online. That comparison doesn't even make any sense. Pikmin 3 is being rushed? Apparently you missed the fact that it was in development for a few years already. If anything, Miyamoto said that adding online to it would be difficult. Why not argue that instead?

3dude · 06-12-2012, 02:52 PM

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You compared a port of a game that lasted 1 or 2 hours with a brand new game that has actual content and called it laziness for not including online. That comparison doesn't even make any sense. Pikmin 3 is being rushed? Apparently you missed the fact that it was in development for a few years already. If anything, Miyamoto said that adding online to it would be difficult. Why not argue that instead?

Because its a real issue that cant be argued.

Unlike idle opinions which can be made without basis in reality.

Yuoke · 06-12-2012, 02:53 PM

There should have been mutliplayer in skyward sword.

06-12-2012, 02:54 PM

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Because its a real issue that cant be argued.

Unlike idle opinions which can be made without basis in reality.

Yeah, apparently people think that the Wii U is this amazing console with crazy tech that can handle the stuff you mentioned in the other post. Which I agree with wholeheartedly. They're so quick to call it lazy without even looking at the real picture.

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sword View Post

I don't remember Pikmin 2's multiplayer being a weak aspect.
Maybe its just you guys that didn't have the oportunity to fully enjoy it. I probably spend the same time in both multiplayer and single player.

BTW, I'm talking about the PvP multiplayer, not the challenge mode.

Challange mode was boring yes, but PvP had its problems too.

For one thing, it isn't that difficult to have pikmin gather cherries without the other guy knowing and just flat out destroy them with those, not to mention how simple it is to do the opposite of the opponent and win, they are gathering yellow orbs, well I'll just grab their main orb now since their pikmin can't do crap without a leader. Are they attacking my orb? Use my sprays and wipe them out and take 3 orbs while they recover...

Sword · 06-12-2012, 02:55 PM

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Because its a real issue that cant be argued.

Unlike idle opinions which can be made without basis in reality.

The fact that they can't make the online because of technical difficulties in a title being developed by Nintendo (for the console they made themselves) is not a good sign of the Wii U's future.

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 02:56 PM

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The fact that they can't make the online because of technical difficulties in a title being developed by Nintendo (for the console they made themselves) is not a good sign of the Wii U's future.

Did you even read 3dude's explanation on that?

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Its not laziness. Miyamoto actually gave a real valid reason. Which surprised me. Usually he doesnt really know anything about that end.

Pikmin is a rts, but its collision detection is far more in depth, as someone brought up, its hit detection is akin to an action game... While still havingvthe resource overhead of a rts.

All online rts have incredibly simple hit detection. Its not real time but stat based. Most of the time its just garunteed if a unit is in a general radius.

The position and place of EACH pikmin is VERY important.

The problem isnt hardware, its internet speed. Not what is usually considered internet speed, which is actually bandwidth. Instead of the information arriving faster, more just arrives at once.

With pikmin, the focus is just too much on each individual pikmin, and the neccesary hit detection too precise to work with bandwidth as a solution.

It needs to be actual speed of signal travel... Which just hasnt made much improvement. Its mostly all been increases in bandwidth.

Pikmin would be teleporting all over the place, with each update fixing dropped frames with resynced data, no matter how huge the bandwidth is, that will never change unless THE SPEED of the signal is increased, more rapid updates as opposed to bigger ones at the same speed.

This can be dealt with in fps, or racing, by simple path predictions, updates from frames loss arent that big of a deal, the humans playing can adapt easily.

When hundreds of pikmin start teleporting all over the place.... Its a different story. Its just not practical.

3dude · 06-12-2012, 02:58 PM

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The fact that they can't make the online because of technical difficulties in a title being developed by Nintendo (for the console they made themselves) is not a good sign of the Wii U's future.

Nintendo doesnt make the internet nor control physics, like the speed electricity and other signal carriers travel, which is the issue here.

Jasper · 06-12-2012, 02:58 PM

This generation seems awful: every game that isn't an RPG needs online for some weird reason.

smashbunny · 06-12-2012, 03:01 PM

So much mad in this thread.

06-12-2012, 03:03 PM

When the next Zelda comes out, I will make sure to be the first person to make a thread on why it's rushed because it doesn't have online capabilities.

Sword · 06-12-2012, 03:05 PM

Well, you're right. That looks like a valid reason to not include online.
I guess I'll still enjoy the game with the single player.

and btw

BluePikmin11 · 06-12-2012, 03:41 PM

Found this mistake here...

TheMightyFludd · 06-12-2012, 04:15 PM

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Found this mistake here...

The Wii has a video channel?

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 04:38 PM

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The Wii has a video channel?

Nintendo Channel, you aren't missing anything at all.

TheMightyFludd · 06-12-2012, 04:45 PM

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Nintendo Channel, you aren't missing anything at all.

Oh, Iv only played 2 games on my wii so I wouldnt know.

PikMan · 06-12-2012, 05:17 PM

I don't see why we are arguing....If you were a true Pikmin fan, you wouldn't give 2 ****s about Online multiplayer; You would just be happy it's here, and hope for the best.
Pikmin has been one of the best Nintendo Games that Miyamoto made, and I'm sure they wouldn't mess up anything after fans have almost waited a decade. Have faith in Nintendo, If they do make it a little weird, so what? Get over the Crying for online Play. If you want Online, go to CoD.

banjo3dsie · 06-12-2012, 05:24 PM

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I don't see why we are arguing....If you were a true Pikmin fan, you wouldn't give 2 ****s about Online multiplayer; You would just be happy it's here, and hope for the best.
Pikmin has been one of the best Nintendo Games that Miyamoto made, and I'm sure they wouldn't mess up anything after fans have almost waited a decade. Have faith in Nintendo, If they do make it a little weird, so what? Get over the Crying for online Play. If you want Online, go to CoD.

Ok so I agree online multiplayer isn't needed, however Pikman... I just want to say a few points here.

Starting with

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If you were a true Pikmin fan, you wouldn't give 2 ****s about Online multiplayer; You would just be happy it's here, and hope for the best.

Never EVER think with that mindset of "be happy we got one" as that gives companies the right to walk all over us.

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If they do make it a little weird, so what?

Again, that. If Nintendo did screw up Pikmin, we would have the right to complain. We should NOT just go "So what, at least we got a pikmin" if it really is done wrong.

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Get over the Crying for online Play. If you want Online, go to CoD.

Finally, "Go play CoD" really? How does wanting online multiplayer relate directly to CoD?

Just saying, I could care less about online multiplayer, if it is there, good, if not, I don't care, but really now Pikman?

SmashBro202 · 06-12-2012, 05:24 PM

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Aww, no online multiplayer.

Miyamoto - Pikmin DS/3DS ideas were tested, why Pikmin 3 lacks online | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

It's understandable, but it's a real shame.

I never cared for online multiplayer, anyway...

It's funny, though, the industry seems to think that no game will sell without online multiplayer, and yet Nintendo keeps making games without them, despite people asking if there will be. Nintendo just seems to be in it's own little bubble, doing things in a very specific way, almost like it's losing touch with the world that's quickly growing around it...

Also, this is a nice discussion video about what's revealed about the game:

Mensrea · 06-12-2012, 06:11 PM

First of all, I don't think it's fair to compare a zelda game to pikmin in the multiplayer respect, obviously the single player experience is the most important aspect but multiplayer is very fun and quite the worthwhile experience. It's not outrageous for people to want it, so people need to stop acting like people who want it are just being unreasonable. That being said, I can totally understand why it doesn't have it. 3dude summed it up quite nicely, but stop acting like it doesn't matter at all, I would have loved to play online, despite being focused on single player. In short, it is kind of a disappointment, but not a big one at all. Heck I'm glad that there is local multiplayer (which is rare in games these days). Anyways, I hope pikmin 3 sells like a super power syrum. I love the series to death, and it has never seen the financial success it deserves. I want it to sell enough to be a top tier game for nintendo that doesn't get made ever 8 years.

Yuoke · 06-12-2012, 06:17 PM

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First of all, I don't think it's fair to compare a zelda game to pikmin in the multiplayer respect, obviously the single player experience is the most important aspect but multiplayer is very fun and quite the worthwhile experience. It's not outrageous for people to want it, so people need to stop acting like people who want it are just being unreasonable. That being said, I can totally understand why it doesn't have it. 3dude summed it up quite nicely, but stop acting like it doesn't matter at all, I would have loved to play online, despite being focused on single player. In short, it is kind of a disappointment, but not a big one at all. Heck I'm glad that there is local multiplayer (which is rare in games these days). Anyways, I hope pikmin 3 sells like a super power syrum. I love the series to death, and it has never seen the financial success it deserves. I want it to sell enough to be a top tier game for nintendo that doesn't get made ever 8 years.

I agree and that's fair, but people on the other side also need to stop being unreasonable that they "dropped the ball completely" and that the game is ruined from it.

PikMan · 06-12-2012, 06:19 PM

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Ok so I agree online multiplayer isn't needed, however Pikman... I just want to say a few points here.

Starting with

Never EVER think with that mindset of "be happy we got one" as that gives companies the right to walk all over us.

Again, that. If Nintendo did screw up Pikmin, we would have the right to complain. We should NOT just go "So what, at least we got a pikmin" if it really is done wrong.

Finally, "Go play CoD" really? How does wanting online multiplayer relate directly to CoD?

Just saying, I could care less about online multiplayer, if it is there, good, if not, I don't care, but really now Pikman?

Nintendo listens to their fanbase to a small extent. Just because a small number of fans don't like something, they will not make a Pikman 4 just to make them happy.
Most Companies go by Sales, and other statistics to determine to make another game to a series.
If you think companies will walk over us by thinking, "were happy as long as we got one, your wrong." Companies have been walking all over us since the very beginning, and their is nothing you can do about it. I didn't say be happy if they screwed up Pikmin, I said If they made it a little weird. Weird means, Unusual, different, not screwed up. When I typed weird, I was referring to small things that people like to complain about like Mulitplayer, graphics, etc....If you want to complain to a multimillion game-behemoth, go ahead. I'm not stopping you, I'm just expressing my views. Faith is what I believe in. Some things you can't control; Pikmin 1, and 2 were outstanding games, so chances are, so will Pikmin 3.

3dude · 06-12-2012, 06:23 PM

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I don't see why we are arguing....If you were a true Pikmin fan, you wouldn't give 2 ****s about Online multiplayer; You would just be happy it's here, and hope for the best.
Pikmin has been one of the best Nintendo Games that Miyamoto made, and I'm sure they wouldn't mess up anything after fans have almost waited a decade. Have faith in Nintendo, If they do make it a little weird, so what? Get over the Crying for online Play. If you want Online, go to CoD.

Well, I can DEFINATELY see the appeal in online multiplayer with pikmin, the games an absolute blast in singleplayer with two characters, and now you are switching between four? It just SCREAMS 4 way multiplayer mayhem. Especially if one person played the MONSTERS...

Theres definately a ton of appeal, particularly since pikmins particularly brand of rts gamestyle is unique.

Its just a shame that the very thing that makes it different is what makes it impractical for online play.

Mensrea · 06-12-2012, 06:35 PM

That would be awesome if one player played as the monsters. That's brilliant 3dude.
I agree Yuoke, everyone is kind of extreme about this subject.

**Rentaline** · 06-12-2012, 06:39 PM

Miyamoto explains why Pikmin 3 took so long, will most likely return to timer-based gameplay | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

I sure hope it isn't too strict.

On another note, I can't wait to use the screencap feature for this game. Back on the Gamecube, I had to pause the game to show people my funny moments (Super explosion, mass Pikmin death, ect.).

SmashBro202 · 06-12-2012, 06:44 PM

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Miyamoto explains why Pikmin 3 took so long, will most likely return to timer-based gameplay | GoNintendo - What are YOU waiting for?

I sure hope it isn't too strict.

On another note, I can't wait to use the screencap feature for this game. Back on the Gamecube, I had to pause the game to show people my funny moments (Super explosion, mass Pikmin death, ect.).

Ugh... I hate the timer... Makes me feel rushed. And that's no good with strategy, for me anyway.

PikMan · 06-12-2012, 06:50 PM

It will probably have the timer for the 4 players quest. Maybe they only have a certain amount of time to find Olimar or something.

Mensrea · 06-12-2012, 06:53 PM

I wonder if there will be co-op for the single player mode?

**Rentaline** · 06-12-2012, 06:56 PM

Best case scenario is that the timer isn't "do or die" but "do better, get better results." For example, complete the game within 30 days to get the best ending.

PikMan · 06-12-2012, 07:23 PM

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Best case scenario is that the timer isn't "do or die" but "do better, get better results." For example, complete the game within 30 days to get the best ending.

I like that idea. It's a shame though. With the HD graphics, it's even more beautiful. I'm sure it will be great!

Added after 24 minutes:

Graphics Comparison:
I think they made a major improvement.

Pikmin 2

Pikmin 3

SmashBro202 · 06-14-2012, 03:02 AM

Now that I have some comparisons, Pikmin 2 does look a bit more pixely than Pikmin 3.

3dude · 06-14-2012, 12:25 PM

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Now that I have some comparisons, Pikmin 2 does look a bit more pixely than Pikmin 3.

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Thats all you can see?

seriously?

itschrissy · 06-14-2012, 01:13 PM

I always kind of ignored Pikmin, but I went and bought the 1st one at Play N Trade for the GameCube, and I LOVE IT. Why did I wait this long to try it out?! *facepalm*

I'll definitely be getting Pikmin 3. <3

PikMan · 06-14-2012, 04:54 PM

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Now that I have some comparisons, Pikmin 2 does look a bit more pixely than Pikmin 3.

More like a lot more pixels. The artwork is Sooo Much better, and so are the graphics.
I'm not one to rate a game on graphics, but this looks awesome!

Mensrea · 06-14-2012, 04:55 PM

I wonder how the flying pikmin will be implemented. Perhaps every pikmin can become a flying pikmin?

**Kinvara** · 06-14-2012, 04:58 PM

Pikmin 3 looks like an absolutely beautiful game. It's so bright and colorful. ;_;

PikMan · 06-14-2012, 04:59 PM

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I wonder how the flying pikmin will be implemented. Perhaps every pikmin can become a flying pikmin?

Me too. They actually haven't announced anything official.. And they could be a bulbmin-type enemy.... I just don't see how flying pikmin will come into play....It doesn't seem like it would work right.

3dude · 06-14-2012, 05:34 PM

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Me too. They actually haven't announced anything official.. And they could be a bulbmin-type enemy.... I just don't see how flying pikmin will come into play....It doesn't seem like it would work right.

Hmmm.....

Transportation.

They can carry players/pikmin.

SmashBro202 · 06-15-2012, 01:10 AM

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Thats all you can see?

seriously?

Okay, I'm an idiot, what am I SUPPOSED to be seeing? :/

Edit: Okay, yeah, more detail in Pikmin 3, I thought that kind of went without saying, or at least implied when I said the previous game looked more pixely.

banjo3dsie · 06-15-2012, 01:36 AM

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Okay, I'm an idiot, what am I SUPPOSED to be seeing? :/

Edit: Okay, yeah, more detail in Pikmin 3, I thought that kind of went without saying, or at least implied when I said the previous game looked more pixely.

pixely does not equal detailed...

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