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Is Mario Losing His Magic?
Old 08-17-2012, 09:00 AM
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Got my Japenese copy of New Super Mario Bros. 2. I started playing, with high hopes, only to be dissapointed. The graphics and music, are pretty much identical to that of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Not a huge biggie, I'll let it pass. I kept on playing, and, if there is one thing this game lacks, it's difficulty. And games aren't fun without atleast some small challenge. Well, I beat the game. I won't spoil what happens, but, the reward for collecting One Million coins is, well, not that great. Very easy game, and there some fun parts, but they lasted too shortly, which just left me wanting more.
Something tells me Nintendo rushed this one out. After all, the real Mario Club, did not make this game, so, maybe that's why it isn't great. I don't know.
I hope things start looking up again for the Mario Brothers.

P.S. Attention Mario & Nintendo fanboys, you do not need to hate on me, for I am a fanboy too. I am just giving my honest opinion.

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Old 08-17-2012, 09:13 AM
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Yeah i agree mario was only interesting for me when i was young playing the old school game, i couldnt even play it when i got it for free on my 3ds, was so ****
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:19 AM
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Honestly, I think gamers in general don't regard the New Super Mario Bros. series too highly. They're made to be easier and more casual because the 3D Marios are too difficult to get used to for casual gamers (I know two Japanese girls, that I would qualify as casual gamers, who like Mario and tried playing 3D Land but they stopped after one level because it was too difficult to move Mario in a 3D space). Nintendo acknowledged this, that's why they created the NSMB series in the first place, because 3D Marios weren't doing as well as 2D Marios, and they were right, they sell a lot better and it's obvious that a sidescrolling platformer is going to be way easier to control than a 3D one for most people.

I haven't played the game myself yet, but it does sound like a minor title for the series. I think Nintendo should have perhaps included difficulty modes. I know casual and younger gamers need things to be simplified, but I think there should be a hard or extreme mode or something for those that want that challenge. But in general I think you probably like 3D Marios more as those are usually a little more complex.
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Got my Japenese copy of New Super Mario Bros. 2. I started playing, with high hopes, only to be dissapointed. The graphics and music, are pretty much identical to that of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Not a huge biggie, I'll let it pass. I kept on playing, and, if there is one thing this game lacks, it's difficulty. And games aren't fun without atleast some small challenge. Well, I beat the game. I won't spoil what happens, but, the reward for collecting One Million coins is, well, not that great. Very easy game, and there some fun parts, but they lasted too shortly, which just left me wanting more.
Something tells me Nintendo rushed this one out. After all, the real Mario Club, did not make this game, so, maybe that's why it isn't great. I don't know.
I hope things start looking up again for the Mario Brothers.

P.S. Attention Mario & Nintendo fanboys, you do not need to hate on me, for I am a fanboy too. I am just giving my honest opinion.

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I think Mario should become a pimp and instead of saving the princess, he could save his hoes(They actually call property). Also Bowser can be a snitch who ratted on Mario and Luigi got shoot in a drive-by shooting. Luigi is in a coma and Mario needs to get a million coins to get Luigi some help. Also Princess Peach is Mario's baby mamma and Mario can't pay because he's collecting welfare.

I'm currently downloading it now for ?39.99 when in the shop it's about ?37.99.
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WHAT?!?
I think the game seems awesome! Maybe just not you're style of game?
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I don't find 3D Mario games very hard... Super Mario 64 was amazing, and so was SM3DL, imo. But I don't like the recycled NSMB idea.
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But, yeah I do agree. I like 3D Mario games more than 2D ones. Maybe just the fact that their more complex.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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They really need to make the boss battles different
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I think I may have mentioned at one point, but these games aren't exactly geared for the adult community. They are geared towards the younger generations. They seem easy and the same to us because we have played these games before. Young kids playing these games now might someday think that these games (like NSMB series, 3DLand) are the best and will think the same way like some of us do with the games we grew up with (like Super Mario World).

I'm not saying we as adults can't still enjoy them and think about how to make it better (I would love to have difficulty modes on these games!) but its just an idea that I live with. I don't think its Mario games having lost their luster. I think its more of they have luster, but we have already seen it before and don't think much of it.

I just thought of something neat that they should add to the game:


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That would be awesome!
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:00 PM
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Once again Yanikun has summed it up pretty perfectly.

There's room for both 2D and 3D Mario games, and whilst some will like both, they do cater to different audiences.

Personally I only really bother with the 3D Mario's, I have played and enjoyed the previous NSMB's for what they are, but I didn't buy them, and don't plan on getting the new ones. If you read gaming forums you'll probably find the majority prefer the 3D Mario's, but the 2D games sell better, so some people must like those more.

It probably is about time Nintendo chucked a curve ball with the 2D games though, as Yani' said a difficulty setting, maybe along similar lines to Kid Icarus would go along way, it would certainly make me more interested, but they still need to keep it accessible to it's target market.

Sorry to hear about the fanboy thing too, you should get something for that.
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It probably is about time Nintendo chucked a curve ball with the 2D games though, as Yani' said a difficulty setting, maybe along similar lines to Kid Icarus would go along way, it would certainly make me more interested, but they still need to keep it accessible to it's target market.
Maybe you could spend coins for different difficulties like in Kid Icarus?
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'O_o I love Mario games. I liked the NSMB series. But if they made Super Mario Bros. 5 (XD) it would feel like an advancement rather then another NSMB. 3D Mario games are fun and challenging, but they shouldn't replace sidescrollers. I agree with increased difficulty.
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Maybe you could spend coins for different difficulties like in Kid Icarus?
That wouldn't be a bad thing, but i'd probably prefer a similar sliding scale which can be set where you want, when you want though.

I'm not one for needing to feel rewarded by trophies/acievements in games though, I couldn't really care less what getting 1 million coins gets you, unless it's access to more of the game or harder difficulty settings, but like I said, I would rather have them open from the off. That's just me though, I get enough satisfaction from playing/finishing the games I enjoy.
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While I agree that this specific game isn't so great I don't think Mario's losing his magic. Nintendo just needs to get more creative with level design again and possibly create a new art style. Plus this game was made by a team of young developers who never made a Mario game before, so they either need to develop their skills or just get EAD to make all future titles and space out releases more.
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It may be because all they've been focusing on in the past year is Mario. It wouldn't be bad if they took a Zelda approach to it, game every 2-3 years, but come on. Also, story's been too much of the same thing.
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Also, story's been too much of the same thing.
Yeah, they've got a perfect set up for a love triangle filled with jealousy between Mario, Luigi and Princess Peach which Bowser could exploit.
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I don't think he lost his magic. I guess Mario games will always be fun for those who game with an open mind and enjoy games for what they are.
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Jus put more diffcultiy thats all.
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It's not losing it's magic, it's just that games that aren't from the main series usually aren't just as good.
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It's not losing it's magic, it's just that games that aren't from the main series usually aren't just as good.
Aren't the 3D and 2D side-scrollers the main series? I thought Paper Mario, Sports game, etc. were not from the main series.
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Aren't the 3D and 2D side-scrollers the main series? I thought Paper Mario, Sports game, etc. were not from the main series.
I wouldn't consider the NSMB games as the main series, since it wasn't produced by the main team.
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I wouldn't consider the NSMB games as the main series, since it wasn't produced by the main team.
Source? I know that NSMB2 is made by a different team, but haven't read and can't find anything about NSMB Wii and NSMB not being developed by the main team.
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I wouldn't consider the NSMB games as the main series, since it wasn't produced by the main team.
The all part of the main series of 2D platformers. It just NSMB2 that was developed by a new team at Nintendo EAD.
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Source? I know that NSMB2 is made by a different team, but haven't read and can't find anything about NSMB Wii and NSMB not being developed by the main team.
I may have generalized it too much, this thread is about NSMB2 and isn't criticising the rest of the games in the "New Super Mario Bros." series, which proves my point that this game wasn't produced by the main development team, and therefore, shouldn't be treated as equal.
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I may have generalized it too much, this thread is about NSMB2 and isn't criticising the rest of the games in the "New Super Mario Bros." series, which proves my point that this game wasn't produced by the main development team, and therefore, shouldn't be treated as equal.
But the developers had to go through "Mario Cram School", where they were taught as much as they could be fast about how to make the games.
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But the developers had to go through "Mario Cram School", where they were taught as much as they could be fast about how to make the games.
A copy is never as good as the original.
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A copy is never as good as the original.
The only thing copied is the music and the look. It's not like they just copied and pasted the exact levels from NSMB Wii onto the 3ds...
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I'm saying the devlopment team was just a copy, not that the game was.
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I'm saying the devlopment team was just a copy, not that the game was.
Well, you got to realize that eventually the main team isn't going to be making these kinds of games anymore. They will eventually retire (or die if you have more darker thinking), so they want to get some fresh, new people with new ideas to be able to learn to make Mario games for the future. This game was their chance to get their feet wet and try out level design.
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Well, you got to realize that eventually the main team isn't going to be making these kinds of games anymore. They will eventually retire (or die if you have more darker thinking), so they want to get some fresh, new people with new ideas to be able to learn to make Mario games for the future. This game was their chance to get their feet wet and try out level design.
The team is still fresh, it's their first game, you can't expect them to deliver the same quality as a highly experienced team. I'm not saying they'll ever compare to the current team, just saying that they're still learning. But hey, this is all just an opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
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The team is still fresh, it's their first game, you can't expect them to deliver the same quality as a highly experienced team. I'm not saying they'll ever compare to the current team, just saying that they're still learning. But hey, this is all just an opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
I feel the exact same way you do about the new team. I just don't feel that it is fair to say that this isn't a part of the Super Mario Bros series and shouldn't be treated as equal just because it wasn't made by the main team.
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Alright, I admit, I was wrong, it is part of the main series, but I still don't think mario games are losing their magic.
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Alright, I admit, I was wrong, it is part of the main series, but I still don't think mario games are losing their magic.
I agree, they haven't lost their luster yet...

But what if they do...

Spoiler!
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I love all the Mario games that come out. I want to buy them allllll! xD
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I've been looking forward to NSMB2, but I agree. There's not enough innovation in Mario games nowadays. So far Super Mario 3D Land and maybe NSMBU are the only attempts to really inject something new into the classic side of the series as of late. Sticker Star looks promising but that's kind of it.

That, and it seems like every time they try something new, it's genius except for one glaring fault. Example, player 2 in NSMB2 co-op.

That and the amount of recycling going on in their games needs to be reduced or stopped altogether. Are they trying to save money in this economy by recycling audio from previous games or are they just getting lazy?
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The game looks fine, but I'd rather get Sticker Star.
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I have been playing the game for 5 hours. Well, it certainly is nice. But in fact it is too much of a d?j?-vu. The problem simply is "New" and "2". As the title of the game says, it simply is a remake of what we already know.

Super Mario 3D Land, wow wow and wow in comparision to New Super Mario Bros 2.

What I want now is a game ? la Mario 64 for the 3DS not a remake, but completely new levels and challenges.

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I agree, they haven't lost their luster yet...

But what if they do...

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It would be like sonic the hedgehog all over again.
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The only thing copied is the music and the look. It's not like they just copied and pasted the exact levels from NSMB Wii onto the 3ds...
... sounds like a copy to me. Or at least plagiarism.

Mario hasn't lost his flair, he's just being milked.
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... sounds like a copy to me. Or at least plagiarism.

Mario hasn't lost his flair, he's just being milked.
One could say that about many different series if you ask me.
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I think I may have mentioned at one point, but these games aren't exactly geared for the adult community. They are geared towards the younger generations. They seem easy and the same to us because we have played these games before. Young kids playing these games now might someday think that these games (like NSMB series, 3DLand) are the best and will think the same way like some of us do with the games we grew up with (like Super Mario World).

I'm not saying we as adults can't still enjoy them and think about how to make it better (I would love to have difficulty modes on these games!) but its just an idea that I live with. I don't think its Mario games having lost their luster. I think its more of they have luster, but we have already seen it before and don't think much of it.

I just thought of something neat that they should add to the game:


Spoiler!


That would be awesome!

We could create levels and share them ACTUAL HARD levels that made you test them before posting!
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We could create levels and share them ACTUAL HARD levels that made you test them before posting!
This video depicts what 90% of the levels will probably be like if we did have a level editor.


Spoiler!
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This video depicts what 90% of the levels will probably be like if we did have a level editor.


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So bad level design, horrible enemy placement, no background whatsoever, and lame level end.
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So bad level design, horrible any placement, no background whatsoever, and lame level end.
Well, I'm sure the other 10% would be some awesome levels if there was a level editor...

Sadly, thats wishful thinking
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This video depicts what 90% of the levels will probably be like if we did have a level editor.


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Obviously if Nintendo made a level editor it wouldn't let you place enemies in the floor, and probably have a limit on what you can place, so you can't have 1000 enemies all in a dog pile. You would probably have to complete the level yourself before it could be posted online, so that people don't post impossible levels.
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Obviously if Nintendo made a level editor it wouldn't let you place enemies in the floor, and probably have a limit on what you can place, so you can't have 1000 enemies all in a dog pile. You would probably have to complete the level yourself before it could be posted online, so that people don't post impossible levels.
Yeah they probably would. I just posted that for fun :P
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One could say that about many different series if you ask me.
I think you could say that about any big game franchise nowadays. The freshest game these past 3 years was KIU if you ask me, which is probably another reason why I like this game so much.
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I think you could say that about any big game franchise nowadays. The freshest game these past 3 years was KIU if you ask me, which is probably another reason why I like this game so much.
Can't argue with that, I love me some Kid Icarus. It's still my top played game (and favorite by far)
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I think Mario is losing its magic because Nintendo is milking the character to no end recently. We still get some gems like Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Super Mario 3D Land, but we don't need 2 NSMB games in one year and so many Mario minigame collections in such a short span of time.
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I think Mario is losing its magic because Nintendo is milking the character to no end recently. We still get some gems like Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Super Mario 3D Land, but we don't need 2 NSMB games in one year and so many Mario minigame collections in such a short span of time.
Nintendo has stated that they are doing 1 NSMB game per console, and while it is Miyamoto's overall decision this is what they plan to do. So after NSMBU don't expect another until the next handheld, unless the next console comes first. So at least 3 years.
Old 08-20-2012, 02:33 PM
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:24 PM
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Nintendo has stated that they are doing 1 NSMB game per console, and while it is Miyamoto's overall decision this is what they plan to do. So after NSMBU don't expect another until the next handheld, unless the next console comes first. So at least 3 years.
Its not just Osmb2, how many Mario/mario related games have come out in the past year? Over saturation will make Mario lose his worth.
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:46 PM
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I think they just ran out of Idea's for 2D mario games. What haven't they done? You can find yoshi, you have awesome powers, you just got lucky (super mario bros 3). It's time they did something new, and coins seemed the answer. Give you a goal to complete as you play the level. On paper it really sounds like a good idea. But not so much now.

I will always be a fan of 3D mario Games. After I played super mario 64 way back I was just hooked. the gamecube one wasn't really my thing, but Galaxy was *almost* perfect, I just disliked the powers, as any good one had like tiny time limit.

But 3D land seem's to fit almost everything, minus the level select system.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:01 PM
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I haven't played it yet. I have yet to play 3d land *sad face*
Old 08-22-2012, 12:52 AM
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Old 09-02-2012, 01:31 AM
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No way, mario is awesome, maybe you are just a very good mario player and it has become a very easy process.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:19 AM
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Mario sort of is losing his magic. He used to be my role model when I was little, then by the time I turned 13 most of his games just seemed stupid. But some games now are a little good. Like Mario Party 9, New Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario 3D Land. I like these three games because they're sort of like sequel's or follow ups or similarities to other previous Mario titles.
Old 09-03-2012, 03:40 AM
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Got my Japenese copy of New Super Mario Bros. 2. I started playing, with high hopes, only to be dissapointed. The graphics and music, are pretty much identical to that of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Not a huge biggie, I'll let it pass. I kept on playing, and, if there is one thing this game lacks, it's difficulty. And games aren't fun without atleast some small challenge. Well, I beat the game. I won't spoil what happens, but, the reward for collecting One Million coins is, well, not that great. Very easy game, and there some fun parts, but they lasted too shortly, which just left me wanting more.
Something tells me Nintendo rushed this one out. After all, the real Mario Club, did not make this game, so, maybe that's why it isn't great. I don't know.
I hope things start looking up again for the Mario Brothers.

P.S. Attention Mario & Nintendo fanboys, you do not need to hate on me, for I am a fanboy too. I am just giving my honest opinion.

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Firstly, there is nothing good about being a fan boy. You are a fan, not a fan boy.

Anyways, Nintendo needs to cater to the casual audience to succeed, so the NSMB games are played very safe. They don't really try to do something drastic and unexpected, because casual gamers need it simple and consistent.

I think the solution is that they do what they did with the Galaxys and SM3DL to NSMB; make it easy enough to get to the final level and beat it in order to satisfy casual gamers, but provide enough challenging bonus content and hard to reach places to satisfy dedicated gamers.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:47 PM
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I do not feel that Mario is losing his magic, because Nintendo always seems to revive it someway and somehow in each Mario title, and gives each story and situation a unique spin that keeps the cycle going.
Old 10-10-2012, 04:26 PM
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To me mario has already lost his magic long ago.(i'm not talking about the 3D games or the mario kart series though,i like those.)
Old 10-10-2012, 04:36 PM
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Personally, I really enjoy the major Mario titles more than anything - Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy series, and Super Mario 3D Land.
Old 10-23-2012, 10:43 PM
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The last hard thing in a mario game I remember is...The Shadow Queen.I had 50 HP/FP and barely any good badges and I didn't know her abilities.Man,that was hard.Also,Elder Princess Shroob was challenging.

Otherwise,mario games are easy by default.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:12 PM
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I think that 3D should be used much more, the 2D ones have all been seen before.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:08 PM
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Im 23 and i find this game hard for me.
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