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View Poll Results: Which is better
Super Mario 3D Land 26 52.00%
New Super Mario Bros. 2 10 20.00%
They're both just as good. 12 24.00%
They both suck. 2 4.00%
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Super Mario 3D Land vs. New Super Mario Bros. 2
Old 08-21-2012, 10:53 PM
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Since the last poll was closed because the OP was apparently asking for a game recommendation, I wanted to make a new poll to compare which one between 3D Land and NSMB2 is better according to only people that have played both games. If you have only played one and are thinking about voting based on what you've heard/seen, don't vote.

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For me, it's a really tough call. I didn't expect NSMB2 to be that good, and I loved 3D Land. I usually prefer 3D Marios, but I think after playing a lot of NSMB2, I'm gonna go with NSMB2 being better.

One of the reasons is that although very good, 3D Land was trying to convert side-scrolling Mario platformers to 3D, and upon playing NSMB2, I realized that this type of Mario platformer is more suited to 2D side-scrolling. 3D Marios need to do something slightly different to justify that they're in 3D environments, as they've done in the past. Playing NSMB2, the gameplay feels perfectly suited to its format, whereas 3D Land felt slightly clunky.

Another reason is that I find the environments in NSMB2 more varied and interesting. Although I find the beauty and scope of 3D environments much more impressive than 2D environments, I don't think 3D Land really took advantage of how impressive 3D environments can be. NSMB2 offers environments (whether they are new or old) that end up looking more interesting visually in my opinion. A lot of stages in 3D Land felt like smart level design floating in emptiness. They didn't fill up the screen with visually interesting things, they just translated 2D worlds in 3D and you often end up noticing the empty spaces more than anything.

Finally, I'd say the level design is even better than in 3D Land. It offers a well-balanced difficulty right from the start, to the point where I'm thinking "how can kids and casuals figure out all of this?" It's probably too easy for the Mario experts, but well-balanced for the rest.

All in all, with those slight advantages and the addition of the coin rush mode, I'm surprisingly of the opinion that NSMB2 edges out SM3DL.

What did you think?

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Old 08-21-2012, 11:03 PM
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From some of your previous posts i'm a bit surprised by your conclusion too. I don't have it myself so i'm not voting obviously, but hearing you say this and enjoying SM3DL myself, i'm more inclined to give NSMB2 a go.
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:36 AM
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Obviously neither. The Galaxy games! I only have 3D Land so this is my vote.
Old 08-22-2012, 01:46 AM
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I enjoyed NSMB2 a teensy bit more. They both are excellent games, however. I just enjoy the side scrollers more.
Old 08-22-2012, 02:11 AM
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Man I should give NSMB2 another chance.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:14 AM
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I can't wait to buy. It has to be good since I have high exceptions now because Super mario 3D land was a lot of fun and really good 3D. So when buy it soon, I hope it doesn't let me down and waste my time.
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From some of your previous posts i'm a bit surprised by your conclusion too. I don't have it myself so i'm not voting obviously, but hearing you say this and enjoying SM3DL myself, i'm more inclined to give NSMB2 a go.
As long as you're not allergic to side-scrollers, I think you would probably at least like it.

SM3DL has a lot going for it that NSMB2 doesn't have, but I guess that, apart from the really awesome lighting and graphics, SM3DL didn't really have to be in 3D. It was always meant to be more of a cross between 2D Mario and 3D Mario, and it did it very successfully; but I guess from my point of view, why not have 2D Mario and 3D Mario do what they do best in their own ways? SM3DL gives you a sense of freedom with the 3D that isn't really necessary because it remains linear most of the time. Most levels you have nothing to do with that added freedom. 2D Mario does that linearity better since you're just going from left to right. To me, the best levels in SM3DL were those that gave you more freedom, with more open spaces. Those levels are better than NSMB2.

But as it stands, NSMB2 does 2D platforming beautifully and because of how straightforward it is and its coin rush mode (maybe even the 2 player mode if you can take advantage of that), I feel that it has more replay value. There's something about going left to right that is more to the point, or faster, and that's a little more enjoyable to me. To be in a whole different league, I feel that 3D Marios should always have a bigger exploration component, as more exploration takes full advantage of that freedom and that bigger scope that 2D platformers can't have.

So when I say I enjoy NSMB2 more, it's going to depend mostly on what you have the most fun doing in a linear platformer. 3D Land was more original. I have about 25 hours on it (including replaying some levels and all that obviously) so that's great, and yet I think I'm going to spend more time on NSMB2.

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Absolutely Mario 3D Land is much better. This new mario bros 2 is a lot alike the other New Super Mario Bros. games. All guys on the Internet were right (I didn't believe how similar it really is ...). Besides that, the levels, as every other new super mario bros game, are very short and easy :c, and the money stuff idk... it could be cooler
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I heard 3D Land was very close to Galaxy 1 and 2 (but I haven't played those), and about levels being very short and easy, I'm finding the game harder than 3D Land personally. The level design is much more challenging in my opinion.
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3D Land was linear as hell, and making a linear game with the Galaxy engine is a bad move IMO. Plus the secret worlds were a joke.

New Super Mario Bros. 2 has some of the best level designs seen in a 2D Mario game since Super Mario World. Plus, the game is alot harder than 3D Land, it has real secret worlds and the coin collecting gimmick worked out better than expected.

NSMB2 for me.

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Obviously neither. The Galaxy games! I only have 3D Land so this is my vote.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:12 AM
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^ That's what I understood at first, but Portal didn't vote for 3D Land. He meant he votes for the Galaxy games because he only has 3D Land.
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How is NSMB2 harder than 3D Land? The highest amount of times I died on a level here, is 2...

Both really fun games, and NSMB2's level design is indeed much better than its DS predecessor, but there are some very ho-hum levels in here as well. That's not to say I don't love this game, I do, but 3D Land was much more original, new and all around fun to me.
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3D Land hands down. I had heard of people being sick of the New Super Mario Bros. games but that feeling never caught up with me until I started playing NSMB2. It pains me to say this, as I love Mario games, but whenever I go to play it it just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth (metaphorically speaking). It's almost disgustingly unoriginal to me. It just doesn't feel like a new Mario game. It feels like I popped the original NSMB in and started playing it again, only I paid $40 again. Super Mario 3D Land on the other hand I felt did a really good job of combining elements from different Mario games and feels like a truly unique Mario title.
Old 08-22-2012, 07:46 PM
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To be fair, anyone who bought this game expecting something super innovative is seriously foolish.
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How is NSMB2 harder than 3D Land? The highest amount of times I died on a level here, is 2...
Wut? Where are you in NSMB2 exactly? I did play the 8 special worlds in 3D Land so I know it gets challenging past the main worlds, but NSMB2 is way harder in my opinion.
Old 08-22-2012, 11:15 PM
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I like both. I like 3d land for it's innovation, and NSMB2 for its level design and replay value (as in collecting coins/getting points).
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:21 AM
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Wut? Where are you in NSMB2 exactly? I did play the 8 special worlds in 3D Land so I know it gets challenging past the main worlds, but NSMB2 is way harder in my opinion.
I suppose the difficulty of the game depends on which type of game the player is more used to. For example, I'm more used to the side-scrolling Mario (as I am constantly replaying the side-scrollers), and because of this, New Super Mario Bros. 2 is a lot easier for me.
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3D land, by just luck, is exactly what I wanted to play in a Mario Game. All the right powers, good level design, everything. Others will disagree but this one just knocked it out of the park for me.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:39 AM
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It does look like NSMB2 is pretty similar to the one on the DS looking at gameplay videos of the latter on YouTube, so I can understand the disappointment. For people that haven't played the previous games though, I think NSMB2 is really, really good. It liked it more and more as I got further into the game. I think it has a very good amount of content and will probably have a ton of replay value (I say probably because I haven't even finished the game yet, I'm at the Mushroom world, I still need to do the Flower world and collect enough star coins for the Star world, so that's what I call a lot of content).
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Wut? Where are you in NSMB2 exactly? I did play the 8 special worlds in 3D Land so I know it gets challenging past the main worlds, but NSMB2 is way harder in my opinion.
Finished the game with 5 shiny stars and 1 million coins. I really didn't find it all that challenging. I don't mind it though, I don't play Mario for the difficulty, I play it cause it's extremely fun, including this one. Even the star world levels were easy as pie. I read somewhere how the final castle of the Star world would cost a lot of lives, well, I died once, cause I mistimed that last jump and got frozen by the koopa kids. Got all the moon coins immediately as well.

I've been playing these games for years though, and I'm able to finish the Lost Levels without dying, so without wanting to brag, if there's one type of game I'm good at, it's 2D platformers. I also read how difficult Rayman Origins was supposed to be, and I breezed through that one as well.

As a comparison, New Super Mario Bros for DS was even easier than this one, but of course it was the first game in the NSMB series. Still had to get used to controls like wall jumps. NSMB2 is "harder", but without the learning curve. The Wii edition is still the most difficult one. It's pretty much the same level as NSMB2, except the star world levels in the Wii game are of a higher difficulty. Particularly that ice level.

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Finished the game with 5 shiny stars and 1 million coins. I really didn't find it all that challenging. I don't mind it though, I don't play Mario for the difficulty, I play it cause it's extremely fun, including this one. Even the star world levels were easy as pie. I read somewhere how the final castle of the Star world would cost a lot of lives, well, I died once, cause I mistimed that last jump and got frozen by the koopa kids. Got all the moon coins immediately as well.

I've been playing these games for years though, and I'm able to finish the Lost Levels without dying, so without wanting to brag, if there's one type of game I'm good at, it's 2D platformers. I also read how difficult Rayman Origins was supposed to be, and I breezed through that one as well.

As a comparison, New Super Mario Bros for DS was even easier than this one, but of course it was the first game in the NSMB series. Still had to get used to controls like wall jumps. NSMB2 is "harder", but without the learning curve. The Wii edition is still the most difficult one. It's pretty much the same level as NSMB2, except the star world levels in the Wii game are of a higher difficulty. Particularly that ice level.
Yeah, I said people would lose a lot of lives at star castle. I had to redo it because I forgot to save, and I finished it wihtout losing any lives, so I guess it isn't that hard. But if you are able to beat the lost levels without dying, then that would explain a lot.
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Finished the game with 5 shiny stars and 1 million coins. I really didn't find it all that challenging. I don't mind it though, I don't play Mario for the difficulty, I play it cause it's extremely fun, including this one. Even the star world levels were easy as pie. I read somewhere how the final castle of the Star world would cost a lot of lives, well, I died once, cause I mistimed that last jump and got frozen by the koopa kids. Got all the moon coins immediately as well.

I've been playing these games for years though, and I'm able to finish the Lost Levels without dying, so without wanting to brag, if there's one type of game I'm good at, it's 2D platformers. I also read how difficult Rayman Origins was supposed to be, and I breezed through that one as well.

As a comparison, New Super Mario Bros for DS was even easier than this one, but of course it was the first game in the NSMB series. Still had to get used to controls like wall jumps. NSMB2 is "harder", but without the learning curve. The Wii edition is still the most difficult one. It's pretty much the same level as NSMB2, except the star world levels in the Wii game are of a higher difficulty. Particularly that ice level.
I completely understand that there are beasts out there that are simply very good, and for those the game will not feel that challenging. But the question remains: how is it easier than 3D Land? 3D Land is easy, even the special worlds don't offer that much of a challenge, especially not for someone on your level, and you unlock everything with a snap of the fingers.
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These games are just different enough to avoid direct comparisons. The Addition of 3D adds a whole new dynamic to the gameplay and levels that you won't find in traditional sidescrollers, but the 2D game is just as awesome.
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These games are just different enough to avoid direct comparisons. The Addition of 3D adds a whole new dynamic to the gameplay and levels that you won't find in traditional sidescrollers, but the 2D game is just as awesome.

I would like to point out the "2D" part of NSMB2. Many people will agree that Super Mario 3D land has (if not, REALLY close to) the best 3D effects of any 3DS game. While NSMB2, as many will tell you, has almost no 3D effects at all. Now I, for one, am willing to pay for NSMB or even the wii version INSTEAD of having 3D land. Though since I don't have to pick I'll be getting both.
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Yeah, the 3D effect in NSMB2 is pretty bad.
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I would like to point out the "2D" part of NSMB2. Many people will agree that Super Mario 3D land has (if not, REALLY close to) the best 3D effects of any 3DS game. While NSMB2, as many will tell you, has almost no 3D effects at all. Now I, for one, am willing to pay for NSMB or even the wii version INSTEAD of having 3D land. Though since I don't have to pick I'll be getting both.
I don't agree with that at all. The 3D effect in 3D Land is so slight it has almost no impact apart from that one room with the optical illusion specifically made for 3D. There are tons of games with better 3D, sometimes even small titles. The best 3D out there for me is Need for Speed: The Run. Fantastic depth, yet no ghosting whatsoever. Playing without it is unthinkable for me. F1 2011 also has very good 3D, especially since it has different camera views. In fact, I would say NSMB2 did a much better use of 3D than 3D Land. What NSMB2 does is it basically uses lenses like movies and photography do. Turn off the 3D and you'll have the equivalent of a short lens, like on this picture:



Turn the slider way up and you'll have the equivalent of a long lens, like on this picture:


Movies use this all the time, with one plane in sharp focus while the other is blurred.

Turn the slider halfway and you'll get something like this:


That's a completely unique, smart way to use the 3D effect, in that you can basically choose the "lens" you want to use on the spot, depending on what you feel like on any given level.
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Yeah, there's not really much of a 3D effect in NSMB2, but I don't know what else could they have done with the 3D in it. I still think it looks visually appealing.
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That's a let down. But remember now their main focus wasn;t 3D but it was creating the perfect sequel for the really awesome original new super mario brothers
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