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Old 05-05-2014, 03:05 AM
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Let's be optimistic for a moment and assume that humanity technologically advances to the point where we can visit distant stars and planets beyond our solar system.

We eventually find a planet inhabited by lifeforms that are intelligent but have only developed primitive technology.

What course of action should we take?

Here are some possible courses of action:

- Initiate contact and directly aid them as much as possible.

- Do not initiate contact but protect the planet from asteroids and other dangerous space debris.

- Only observe. Do not interfere under any circumstances.

Any other possibilities?
First one to mention "blow up the planet" gets b&.
Old 05-05-2014, 03:20 AM
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Doing an observation only, I feel won't last very long. Our people will want to gain as much information as possible and will most likely make contact and aid development within the first decade of discovery. Teaching them languages and testing their limitations. In addition to that, we'll harvest and study any remains we can find.

We'll basically do what we did in our expansion age, only on a larger scale.
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Doing an observation only, I feel won't last very long. Our people will want to gain as much information as possible and will most likely make contact and aid development within the first decade of discovery. Teaching them languages and testing their limitations. In addition to that, we'll harvest and study any remains we can find.

We'll basically do what we did in our expansion age, only on a larger scale.
I believe that's what's gonna happen as well. And well, if we need their living space I'd say we as humans would be capable of driving an alien spieces to extinction, not because we are powerful, just because we don't care for others that much. I mean, Europeans didn't care much when they killed off civilizations like the Maya and the Aztecs...
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I believe that's what's gonna happen as well. And well, if we need their living space I'd say we as humans would be capable of driving an alien spieces to extinction, not because we are powerful, just because we don't care for others that much. I mean, Europeans didn't care much when they killed off civilizations like the Maya and the Aztecs...
I wouldn't go that far to say we would drive extinction.
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Just look at what we're doing to ourselves now. Human trafficking, slavery, genocide and more. We would be cautious at first, but we'd simply destroy their culture in the end
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I of course they won't destroy us in the process.
If the aliens are anything like the human race we are prett much screwed.

Let's assume that the aliens are friendly and have no 'secret agenda'. I assume we humans are more than capable to mess things up and end in war.
Just image an alien race landing here and providing us with a manner to produce free energy and food for everybody. There are certain companys, big companies that wouldn't want this and would try to prevent it.

I'm a bit cynical, but 'humanity' has proven itself in the past. And keeps on proving itself today.

Oh, and I would really like the aliens to stop researching us. I'm tired of all the probing. I've had trouble sitting properly for the past week. Again.
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Eventually, either US, or the Aliens, will want to conquer the other. US as a planet, cant get along, and will never be united, so I think its NAIVE to think that we would allow another planet to just exist or be friends.
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We'll observe at first. Then they'll be landings, nothing too big. Finally, they'll be an "accident" and someone will be sent to retrieve a "crucial" part of the spaceship or something. Following this, other countries will get jealous, and send their astronauts out onto the planet, believing the first country to be trying to stake their claim. Eventually freelance astrocrafts will land on the planet without international permission, leading to a "scramble for Planet X". This will all be according to the plans of some of the elite (1% of the 1%). Eventually the primitive organisms of the planet will be dissected to observe their inner workings. Then, when they are perceived to be no major threat, these organisms will be exploited, stripped of their culture (as well as ignored in terms of their cultural heritage), interbreeded with if possible (in experiments that are questionably ethical), and eventually outpopulated move to that planet.
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Y'all are assuming that the alien planet consists of a similar biology and ecology to Earth.

And that our current socio-political structure remains unchanged for the next few centuries/millennia.
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Yeah, I was about to say, the assumption that we'd be able to communicate with an alien species isn't guaranteed. Alien life could be completely different from what we know on Earth.

The best plan would be to study and observe the species unnoticed until it is clearly safe to initiate contact and a form of communication can be made.
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Before we even make contact, it's best to study their habits and various practices. Obviously, if their planet is of similar composition to Earth, we'd want to consider the planet as a potential area where we might migrate if needed. At least, that's what I imagine what most people would want.

So like Scizor posted, I think it best prudent to simply observe them in secret
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Well yeah, we'll observe them. But eventually, we'll try to make contact given the chance.
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I've gained renewed interest in this topic since logi won't stop talking about Mass Effect.

One of my issues with Sci-Fi is that the aliens tend to be too similar to humans biologically.

For example, an alien species that lived on a planet lacking strong sunlight with virtually no oxygen would look and behave completely different to us. They might not even be able to communicate verbally or visually.

Furthermore, there would be no source of conflict if each of our respective planets contained an environment that was toxic to the other. So no invasion would occur.
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So say the aliens had a valuable and abundant resource that us Humans have discovered and use frequently. You're telling me humanity (assuming we have 2014 policies) won't invade those poor fools?
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So say the aliens had a valuable and abundant resource that us Humans have discovered and use frequently. You're telling me humanity (assuming we have 2014 policies) won't invade those poor fools?
At this point, we have achieved the power to traverse the galaxy with relative ease so there are literally billions of planets that we could possibly visit.

Why would this one planet have a resource that couldn't possibly be available on anywhere else?

What resources could be so valuable that the potential reward would outweigh the enormous cost and/or risk of launching a full-scale planetary invasion?
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I've gained renewed interest in this topic since logi won't stop talking about Mass Effect.

One of my issues with Sci-Fi is that the aliens tend to be too similar to humans biologically.

For example, an alien species that lived on a planet lacking strong sunlight with virtually no oxygen would look and behave completely different to us. They might not even be able to communicate verbally or visually.

Furthermore, there would be no source of conflict if each of our respective planets contained an environment that was toxic to the other. So no invasion would occur.
Based on evolution and natural selection, it's plausible that Earth-like planets have Earth-like organisms. Similar to how dolphins and fish have similar body types despite having very different biological backgrounds.

No real way to know how life would look on planets that are not Earth-like though.
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At this point, we have achieved the power to traverse the galaxy with relative ease so there are literally billions of planets that we could possibly visit.

Why would this one planet have a resource that couldn't possibly be available on anywhere else?

What resources could be so valuable that the potential reward would outweigh the enormous cost and/or risk of launching a full-scale planetary invasion?

Now you're bringing in new things.

If we can travel with relative ease (ease being within a human lifetime) to planets in completely different solar systems then it makes no sense to invade.

What if we had met this alien race within the distance of one solar system? What if this resource which we had previously found in small quantities was suddenly found in this alien planet in abundance? What if the resource allowed us to harness a much safer/longer lasting/powerful fuel that enabled us to explore space at a much faster rate?

There are an endless number of what ifs, but assuming that humans make first contact at a point when FTL travel had been established by us disables some theories.

Maybe we could establish a time for first contact? Would it be within 100 years, 500, 1000?
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Now you're bringing in new things.

If we can travel with relative ease (ease being within a human lifetime) to planets in completely different solar systems then it makes no sense to invade.

What if we had met this alien race within the distance of one solar system? What if this resource which we had previously found in small quantities was suddenly found in this alien planet in abundance? What if the resource allowed us to harness a much safer/longer lasting/powerful fuel that enabled us to explore space at a much faster rate?

There are an endless number of what ifs, but assuming that humans make first contact at a point when FTL travel had been established by us disables some theories.

Maybe we could establish a time for first contact? Would it be within 100 years, 500, 1000?
It doesn't make sense to me that there would be some magical macguffin that would make space travel easier.

Ok, but assuming that there's some unobtainium.

Is all of humanity ok with exploiting this planet? There would certainly be conflict among our own countries in regards to invading another planet. Unless, we're considering a scenario where all of Earth's governments are relatively united and cohesive. In that case, it's contradictory that we could finally achieve world peace and yet not extend the same diplomacy to other species.

In only 50 years, society has changed dramatically (and from my perspective has improved a lot). If we still have the same attitudes of imperialism/exploitation 100 years from now, then it's more likely that we'll just be too busy blowing each other up to go to other planets.
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The fuel was just example, the resource could be anything humans deem valuable.

War has also occurred for the last 49/50 years of recent human history. Although society has changed for the better (mostly), humans are still warring against other humans for resources, land, religion and more. I do not see the Earth being at peace for a long enough period of time unfortunately. I feel as though countries will make pacts with one another and we'll have something similar to a World War before peace.

I agree though, a sudden invasion of new life is not what we would do(I hope not anyway) if we do make first contact, but I can see it happening eventually. I'm certain some countries would love to learn and trade with the alien race, others would prefer keen observation and the rare outlier using them for their own benefit.

An interesting topic I'd like to bring up is space flight from other sources. There are commercial space flights that are hoping to launch relatively soon (2016 or so from what I recall). A possible road for humanity space faring could consist of businesses looking to cash in on space travel. What if one of these commercial space flights made first contact? How would this change the way humanity interacts with alien life?

What possibilities can come of this?
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If we assume that an alien species is carbon-based and has similar requirements as life on Earth then I think they would be somewhat biologically similar to us. Any technologically advanced species would need specialized appendages, like how humans are bipedal and have opposable thumbs, unless they could manipulate matter with their minds or something like that. It seems natural for evolution to mold species with the ability to sense light, sound, etc. I definitely agree that aliens in entertainment are way more humanoid than they likely are or would be.
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The fuel was just example, the resource could be anything humans deem valuable.

War has also occurred for the last 49/50 years of recent human history. Although society has changed for the better (mostly), humans are still warring against other humans for resources, land, religion and more. I do not see the Earth being at peace for a long enough period of time unfortunately. I feel as though countries will make pacts with one another and we'll have something similar to a World War before peace.

I agree though, a sudden invasion of new life is not what we would do(I hope not anyway) if we do make first contact, but I can see it happening eventually. I'm certain some countries would love to learn and trade with the alien race, others would prefer keen observation and the rare outlier using them for their own benefit.

An interesting topic I'd like to bring up is space flight from other sources. There are commercial space flights that are hoping to launch relatively soon (2016 or so from what I recall). A possible road for humanity space faring could consist of businesses looking to cash in on space travel. What if one of these commercial space flights made first contact? How would this change the way humanity interacts with alien life?

What possibilities can come of this?
Corporations aren't too different from governments. Just another way of organizing human labor and natural resources. A corporation would probably be ecstatic at the positive press of being responsible for the discovery of an alien species. Their name would instantly become a part of history.

I doubt any corporation would be like "lol time to invade the aliens". They would more likely take advantage of the attention from Earth governments and investors in order to fund other projects. As well as revel in the fact that they're at the forefront of future contact with an alien species.
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Corporations aren't too different from governments. Just another way of organizing human labor and natural resources. A corporation would probably be ecstatic at the positive press of being responsible for the discovery of an alien species. Their name would instantly become a part of history.

I doubt any corporation would be like "lol time to invade the aliens". They would more likely take advantage of the attention from Earth governments and investors in order to fund other projects. As well as revel in the fact that they're at the forefront of future contact with an alien species.
They won't, they will invade straight away specially country's like china and russia, just to push there propoganda of being the first and try to estabalish there way of thinking towards those people.

Once contact is made, russia and china will most likely directly try to exploit whatever the **** they can, or even put a flag on there and call it new russia or new china for that matter, and will make deals with the country or do whatever to make sure no other country will come on there "grounds". * basically what europeans did towards america only on a lesser brutal extend".

In the meanwhile europe will most likely discuss endlessly about nothing and come to no conclusion about again anything while america will fire up there engines and also try to win this race and just put a big fat middle finger towards europe about all there "idea's and moral solutoins" because they need to cut russia of from expanding while they don't. ( if in that time europe isn't already a super state, but that will most likely never happen ).

No matter if the land is toxic as ****, people will invent ways to go in there and put the flag on the grounds.

More Land = more influence = more power and that's what they want. The whole america continent was a good example of that.

Also company's will expand if the world is populated by other human kind of species with products they would want to buy, and they could buy that with making factory's that make there products etc. Basically we would do the same to that planet what we do to this planet. Nothing changed over time. If we would find another "america with a some people that only shoot arrows and whatever else, everybody will invade it instantly to get there flag on the ground and push there way of thinking towards it". If the west is morally against it, the east will sure as hell have no issue with doing it which would make the moral people jump over there own morals just to beat the "not having much moral country's". Etc etc.

This europe nonsense what happens the last decade is a good prime example of how corruption will push profit above morals no matter what on top of it and company's will instantly move forwards with expanding. Any other country will then have no issue's with following suite.
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This is what it will be like


I'll add something intelligent to this topic at some point
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This answer is easy:
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Hey everyone. Let me start this post by saying thanks to you guys for making up such an awesome site. I feel comfortable enough here to share my story in detail now.

The kind of exercise in this thread is healthy and all, but will ultimately prove to be wrong. But not useless. Much like the how the competition between Nintendo and Sega in the 90's created so many wonderful games, the battle between "believers" and "non-believers" causes growth on both sides. It's called the backfire effect. Someone telling me that I'm wrong only strengthens my beliefs, not weakens.

I'm sure some of you read my mufon (mutual ufo network) report by now. If not, here it is one last time. http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/collingswoodnj2006.html

I'll admit I lost it that summer 9 years ago. I should have been committed. Anyone who saw what I saw and went through what I went through would have too. Eventually I found a good psychiatrist who diagnosed me schizophrenic and put me on a cocktail of meds. It took about 4~5 years to find the right balance of the right ones, but I've been ok for about 4~5 now. I no longer care who or what might be watching (hence my username). She also helped me find a government program that will support me for the rest of my life.

I wrote that sighting report a while ago, but nothing in it will ever change. I've only confirmed more since then. My mom insists it wasn't a dream she had while giving birth to me, but contact. My mufon investigator determined that on May 27, 2006 at 7:23pm my local firehouse held an "Unscheduled System Alarm Test". The very minute that thing zapped me. Cover for the electric disturbances created.

I'm not a particularly smart guy. (I'm a blonde polak) No idea why this would happen to me, but it did. The only thing I got out of it all that I can share is a book. A book that claims to be written by an alien. If it isn't, then it's a black government project. The material was 'channeled' about 50 years ago in New York. The entire new-age movement started with this book, and I think it's what some of you are looking for. 'Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul' by Jane Roberts http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/
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@ChemiBro:

This thread is about a hypothetical situation involving ethics/politics. It's just an exercise in speculation and science fiction. There is no right or wrong.

UFO encounters of the present day and the New Age movement are entirely different subjects.
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My post was about an actual situation involving Contact with Aliens. It was based on reality and non-fiction. I'm either right or I'm wrong. Are you insinuating that because of this it shouldn't be here?

I'm only trying to offer some enlightenment to those receptive to it. Forgive me Kinvara, but your thread is exactly where that needed to go.
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My post was about an actual situation involving Contact with Aliens. It was based on reality and non-fiction. I'm either right or I'm wrong. Are you insinuating that because of this it shouldn't be here?

I'm only trying to offer some enlightenment to those receptive to it. Forgive me Kinvara, but your thread is exactly where that needed to go.
No, your post is off-topic. You merely read the title of the thread and didn't bother to read my OP.

This thread isn't about "enlightenment" or UFO abductions/sightings.
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Your assumption is painfully incorrect. I've been following this thread since you started it.

I'm truly sorry that my situation doesn't fit into your little sandbox here. I really am. I know it's scary, but it's time to wake up. Contact is taking place on a personal and individual level. That's how they want it, and that's how it's going down.
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Your assumption is painfully incorrect. I've been following this thread since you started it.

I'm truly sorry that my situation doesn't fit into your little sandbox here. I really am. I know it's scary, but it's time to wake up. Contact is taking place on a personal and individual level. That's how they want it, and that's how it's going down.
"little sandbox"? Quit being condescending and rude.

You're derailing this thread by making it about yourself and your personal experiences.
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Your assumption is painfully incorrect. I've been following this thread since you started it.

I'm truly sorry that my situation doesn't fit into your little sandbox here. I really am. I know it's scary, but it's time to wake up. Contact is taking place on a personal and individual level. That's how they want it, and that's how it's going down.
Dude, nobody cares about your experience. Either discuss the thread question, or go away. Pretty easy. If you notice in the "initial" post by Kinvara, she puts that "anyone who says blow up the planet gets banned." If you post an opinion she doesn't like... Might as well not even bother to post in here is what I am saying, as its not an OPEN discussion.

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Dude, nobody cares about your experience. Either discuss the thread question, or go away. Pretty easy. If you notice in the "initial" post by Kinvara, she puts that "anyone who says blow up the planet gets banned." If you post an opinion she doesn't like... Might as well not even bother to post in here is what I am saying, as its not an OPEN discussion.
That was a joke clearly.

But, yes, the thread is about the scenario posted in the OP and not about UFO stuff.
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That was a joke clearly.

But, yes, the thread is about the scenario posted in the OP and not about UFO stuff.
So was mine. A little too dry?
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Kinvara:
After re-reading this thread I realize I misunderstood when you said there is no right or wrong. You were referring to this-
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The kind of exercise in this thread is healthy and all, but will ultimately prove to be wrong.
My bad. I tend to look right through things. Healthy exercise can't be wrong.

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Ha, you got me. Right up until "anyone who says blow up the planet gets banned." Gotta have a sense of humor

Back on topic

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Anyway, the main reason I started this thread was to think about how science fiction is written. I think the best sci-fi works best when the writer thinks beyond the current social, political, etc. climate.

Kind of an extreme example but Star Trek holds up a lot better than The Jetsons because it doesn't apply 1960s standards to how people interact.

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So was mine. A little too dry?
Just a bit. haha