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"Men's Rights Activists" are a Hate Group
Old 08-13-2015, 03:52 PM
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Default "Men's Rights Activists" are a Hate Group

"Men's Rights Activists" (MRAs) are a hate group.

They are listed as such by the Southern Poverty Law Center. This forum does not allow links to their members or sites anymore than we would allow a link to a KKK or neo-Nazi website/video. (As it stands, a lot of MRAs are also racist/homophobic/etc., go figure.)

The MRA movement is not the male version of the feminism. They only exist to be anti-feminist. They are against gender equality. They are actively harmful to women and to men who don't buy into their toxic masculinity.

Here are a few organizations that actually help men:
If you would like to argue this, then post (in your own words) why you think MRAs are not a hate group just do not link to their sites or videos.
Old 08-13-2015, 08:06 PM
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I have been seeing a lot of this around the internet, the MRA and feminist clashes that is. The arguments from both sides are often obtuse to the point of irrelevancy and both sides can be so intellectually bankrupt and toxic to each other that it feels like mutually assured destruction is the only possible outcome.

I feel it is wrong however, to tar the entire movement with such broad strokes, just as one shouldn't tar the feminist movement as being populated entirely by radical, man-hating feminists. The Southern Poverty Law Center does not even identify the MRA movement as being the hate group but rather the radical elements of the "manosphere" blogs.

I feel sorry for the good people on both sides who get caught up in the war of misinformation and needless bickering, when everyone should be working together for the betterment of everyone else.
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Old 08-14-2015, 12:48 AM
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I have been seeing a lot of this around the internet, the MRA and feminist clashes that is. The arguments from both sides are often obtuse to the point of irrelevancy and both sides can be so intellectually bankrupt and toxic to each other that it feels like mutually assured destruction is the only possible outcome.

I feel it is wrong however, to tar the entire movement with such broad strokes, just as one shouldn't tar the feminist movement as being populated entirely by radical, man-hating feminists. The Southern Poverty Law Center does not even identify the MRA movement as being the hate group but rather the radical elements of the "manosphere" blogs.

I feel sorry for the good people on both sides who get caught up in the war of misinformation and needless bickering, when everyone should be working together for the betterment of everyone else.
There is another article that specifically addresses them by name: "Men's Rights Movement spread false claims about women"

The websites listed on the SPLC are the main leaders behind the men's rights movement. Through my searches, the only Men's Rights websites I could find were affiliated with the AVFM and other hateful groups.

They aren't just "radical elements" of the Men's Rights Movement- they are the movement.

Many of the organizations that I know and have found that were helpful to men do not associate with the Men's Rights Movement and are, in fact, allied with feminist groups.
Old 08-14-2015, 01:22 AM
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The problem with the SPLC articles on the MRM is that they are staggeringly inaccurate, much like information found on the sites themselves ironically. Listing Roosh V as a Men's Rights leader for example, when he is an outspoken critic of the movement and has publicly denounced them. Though I use the term critic very loosely as the things he has to say are not constructive and certainly not pleasant.

I do not wish to enter into a protracted debate with you as that will likely not end well, but I would encourage you to seek out some of the more even tempered minds advocating for men's rights. Such as those campaigning for the bodily integrity of newborn boys and for equality in the family courts system. I do not believe you will find yourself incompatible with them.

As I said before, painting the movement with such broad strokes is wrong because there are a multitude of rational voices that identify as MRAs not just those you will find in the so-called manosphere.

I hope you will consider it at least.
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Old 08-14-2015, 04:48 AM
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The problem with the SPLC articles on the MRM is that they are staggeringly inaccurate, much like information found on the sites themselves ironically. Listing Roosh V as a Men's Rights leader for example, when he is an outspoken critic of the movement and has publicly denounced them. Though I use the term critic very loosely as the things he has to say are not constructive and certainly not pleasant.

I do not wish to enter into a protracted debate with you as that will likely not end well, but I would encourage you to seek out some of the more even tempered minds advocating for men's rights. Such as those campaigning for the bodily integrity of newborn boys and for equality in the family courts system. I do not believe you will find yourself incompatible with them.

As I said before, painting the movement with such broad strokes is wrong because there are a multitude of rational voices that identify as MRAs not just those you will find in the so-called manosphere.

I hope you will consider it at least.
I do support organizations that address the issues you mentioned (I linked to a few in the OP) but they do not refer to themselves as part of the "Men's Rights Movement" or are anti-feminist.

Where are these rational voices? Not being sarcastic- I'm genuinely asking. Because the main MRA communities I can find are antagonistic towards women and feminism.
Old 08-14-2015, 06:54 AM
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I'm not a member of the movement, so I couldn't really guide you there myself as I don't know where they gather online or in person. There are a few people on youtube who introduced me to this topic and I have been keeping up with them and their detractors. I won't provide links to the accounts in question as you have already stipulated that you don't wish for this to happen. I would have to concede that yes they can be antagonistic towards feminism at least, but this is a two way street and both sides have been ripping chunks out of each other for a long time now. It's a shame.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:20 AM
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Is it really even a movement? All I've ever seen is men calling out hypocracies in feminism but having no real course of action or desired legal changes. I think it's good that people question the goals of feminism (and I'm not talking about what's officially set by organizations but the words of feminists) because they can be very accusatory of men.
Old 08-14-2015, 10:24 AM
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It's not really reported on, at least not in a positive light but there is an actual movement. They've even gone as far as to hold conferences and talks on the issues at hand, but as far as I'm aware progress unfortunately has been little to non-existent.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:38 AM
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I looked at some of the websites Kin posted and while they seem to be mostly good they don't acknowledge what I believe is the most important factor in how a man treats women. Fathers must be present in the home and show love and respect for their wives. This has so much impact on both sons and daughters but especially on how boys will grow up viewing women. Sadly this is not a popular issue to cover in the media.
Old 08-14-2015, 07:45 PM
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Most of the websites I posted are more general about men treating women with respect and don't specifically address marital relationships. (Dads 4 life and Dads and Daughters are the closest to covering what you described.)

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I'm not a member of the movement, so I couldn't really guide you there myself as I don't know where they gather online or in person. There are a few people on youtube who introduced me to this topic and I have been keeping up with them and their detractors. I won't provide links to the accounts in question as you have already stipulated that you don't wish for this to happen. I would have to concede that yes they can be antagonistic towards feminism at least, but this is a two way street and both sides have been ripping chunks out of each other for a long time now. It's a shame.
It's not necessarily a two-way street. The modern Men's Right Movement was started as backlash against the feminist movement from the very beginning.

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The conservative and moderate wings of men's liberation became an anti-feminist men's rights movement, facilitated by the language of sex roles. The progressive wing of men's liberation abandoned sex role language and formed a profeminist movement premised on a language of gender relations and power.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:21 PM
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Heh, one would expect a pro-feminist, gender studies professor to come to such a conclusion. What I have observed myself however is a mutual disdain that shows no sign of abating with each side attempting to devour the other. But we are moving outside the scope of what I am comfortable discussing as my knowledge is limited by my own experience and I have no way to verify any kind of inherent bias in research I cannot validate.

I have said my piece and I would like to leave it at that, if that is okay with you.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:26 PM
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youre bad at debates
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:35 PM
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I am not prepared for a debate, nor do I want one. Please don't antagonize me.
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